Spoilers Leonard And Penny Season 7 *spoiler* Discussion Thread

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Jokes like that are pretty common staples on sitcoms, so I wouldn't get worked up about it. As for the spot, she wanted to make-out there, not have sex. There is a big difference. 

 

 

You know there is a lot of reference to this being a sitcom and is played for laughs only, but I think there is a little more to that, the fans seemed to have increased after Leonard and Penny got together and there are a lot more fans since Bernadette and Howard got married, Sheldon and Amy got together, and Leonard and Penny got back.  I think a good deal of the fan increase is because they are interested in these characters relationships, so just saying it is a sitcom doesn't hold water with me anymore.  I think the only statistical proof we have it that the fan base grew when the relationships took over the show, so that is what the fans seem to want.  If anyone has any other hard data besides the ratings, I love to see it.

[eirwinrommel]

You know there is a lot of reference to this being a sitcom and is played for laughs only, but I think there is a little more to that, the fans seemed to have increased after Leonard and Penny got together and there are a lot more fans since Bernadette and Howard got married, Sheldon and Amy got together, and Leonard and Penny got back.  I think a good deal of the fan increase is because they are interested in these characters relationships, so just saying it is a sitcom doesn't hold water with me anymore.  I think the only statistical proof we have it that the fan base grew when the relationships took over the show, so that is what the fans seem to want.  If anyone has any other hard data besides the ratings, I love to see it.

They say you can use statistics to prove almost anything. The common wisdom is that as the show went into syndication it was exposed to a wider audience, and that is why the ratings increased. As for what drew people to continue to watch the show... Well that is open to interpretation, some for the relationships (whatever they be) and some just because they liked the show. I started from the beginning, because I enjoyed seeing someone with even worse social skills then mine trying to get by.

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They say you can use statistics to prove almost anything. The common wisdom is that as the show went into syndication it was exposed to a wider audience, and that is why the ratings increased. As for what drew people to continue to watch the show... Well that is open to interpretation, some for the relationships (whatever they be) and some just because they liked the show. I started from the beginning, because I enjoyed seeing someone with even worse social skills then mine trying to get by.

 

Yes you are right about syndication helping, because it exposed a lot of people to the show, who never saw it before.  However syndication has shown the show for a long time now and the ratings are even getting better, so the syndication factor is not as big a factor now.  Also, syndication has not given "Modern Family" the same bounce, so it makes you wonder is it syndication or the show that boosted the ratings that high.

 

I also tend to watch the details of the reruns now and all the relationship stuff seems to bring out huge responses from the audience, much more then just the funny scenes.  But I must admit all this is IMHO.

 

I really relate to Leonard because I am a lot like him mentally, but I am built and look more like Zack.

[eirwinrommel]

Yes you are right about syndication helping, because it exposed a lot of people to the show, who never saw it before.  However syndication has shown the show for a long time now and the ratings are even getting better, so the syndication factor is not as big a factor now.  Also, syndication has not given "Modern Family" the same bounce, so it makes you wonder is it syndication or the show that boosted the ratings that high.

 

I also tend to watch the details of the reruns now and all the relationship stuff seems to bring out huge responses from the audience, much more then just the funny scenes.  But I must admit all this is IMHO.

 

I really relate to Leonard because I am a lot like him mentally, but I am built and look more like Zack.

I think the difference between 'Modern Family' and 'The Big Bang Theory' vis-a-vis a syndication bounce may be the quality of the shows.

Edited January 20, 2014 by eirwinrommel

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I think the difference between 'Modern Family' and 'The Big Bang Theory' vis-a-vis a syndication bounce may be the quality of the shows.

Okay, I'll give you that one.

[sECUREij]

If the VD episode continues with Shamy and Howardette on the train and we see Lenny alone maybe one of them could suggest that they're practically living together already (I hope it's Penny) and then they decide to move in with each other.

the way this season is going (fight after fight) and bandage fixes (Leonard's completely insincere support of Penny) they're more then likely break up

[BangerMain]

the way this season is going (fight after fight) and bandage fixes (Leonard's completely insincere support of Penny) they're more then likely break up

 

LOL! That's wishful thinking from Shennyland.

[SodidIwin?]

the way this season is going (fight after fight) and bandage fixes (Leonard's completely insincere support of Penny) they're more then likely break up

That would be very disappointing indeed! However, I don't see Lenny breaking up. The writers will simply continue with Penny following her career aspirations. Their relationship movement will stay in a holding pattern with no significant movement toward an engagement unfortunately.

[sECUREij]

LOL! That's wishful thinking from Shennyland.

there's a difference between not liking Leonard and liking Shenny, they're not the same thing. I don't like Shenny, in fact I don't like any of the core real ships in the BBT/Chuck Lorre shows. They're at their core broken. Bernadette being an extension of howards mother, Amy being an extension of Leonard, and Penny being the ultimate spit in the face of Leonard's mother. Sheldon represents The turning point of Amy's life, and Howard goes against Bernadette's over bearing parents. Lorre is piss poor at writing healthy give and take relationships. Edited January 20, 2014 by sECUREij

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there's a difference between not liking Leonard and liking Shenny, they're not the same thing. I don't like Shenny, in fact I don't like any of the core real ships in the BBT/Chuck Lorre shows. They're at their core broken. Bernadette being an extension of howards mother, Amy being an extension of Leonard, and Penny being the ultimate shit in the face of Leonard's mother. Sheldon represents The turning point of Amy's life, and Howard goes against Bernadette's over bearing parents. Lorre is piss poor at writing healthy give and take relationships.

Really disagree with you statement about romantic Shenny. If you look on fanfiction , almost all Shenny stories contain Leonard hate. The Shennys are the biggest hypocrites on the web, they say there is chemistry between Penny and Sheldon, but the first thing the do is make Sheldon OOC or Penny OOC, because there is no way they can write them together with the characters IC.

I will agree that Lorre has done some questionable things on the show, like having Penny sleep with Raj.

[sECUREij]

Really disagree with you statement about romantic Shenny. If you look on fanfiction , almost all Shenny stories contain Leonard hate. The Shennys are the biggest hypocrites on the web, they say there is chemistry between Penny and Sheldon, but the first thing the do is make Sheldon OOC or Penny OOC, because there is no way they can write them together with the characters IC.

I will agree that Lorre has done some questionable things on the show, like having Penny sleep with Raj.

have you read News article significance? No Leonard hate, no Amy bashing just a well written story. Also look at the Lenny fanfiction they hate on Sheldon just as much, and tend to make Leonard some smooth talking ladies, who's as sweet as sugar, and sub shine out of his butt.

Or Shamy fanfics having Sheldon suddenly pull a complete 180 having him bedding Amy, and marrying her 2 chapters in.

So don't go saying Ooc=Shenny buddy because Ooc is universal fall of fanfiction

[ajond]

have you read News article significance? No Leonard hate, no Amy bashing just a well written story. Also look at the Lenny fanfiction they hate on Sheldon just as much, and tend to make Leonard some smooth talking ladies, who's as sweet as sugar, and sub shine out of his butt.

Or Shamy fanfics having Sheldon suddenly pull a complete 180 having him bedding Amy, and marrying her 2 chapters in.

So don't go saying Ooc=Shenny buddy because Ooc is universal fall of fanfiction

Actually L is a ladies man he;s had at least 5 women hit on him (not including Penny). I have read every Lenny fanfiction and cow forgive me , even a few Shenny, and the L trashing in Shenny FF is significantly greater than S basing in Lenny FF.

[SRAM]

have you read News article significance? No Leonard hate, no Amy bashing just a well written story. Also look at the Lenny fanfiction they hate on Sheldon just as much, and tend to make Leonard some smooth talking ladies, who's as sweet as sugar, and sub shine out of his butt.

Or Shamy fanfics having Sheldon suddenly pull a complete 180 having him bedding Amy, and marrying her 2 chapters in.

So don't go saying Ooc=Shenny buddy because Ooc is universal fall of fanfiction

Show me one fan fiction where Leonard punches Sheldon or where Leonard cheats with Amy, that is not written by a Shenny. I can list Shenny stories where Sheldon physically hurts Leonard and all summer Shennys wrote cheating stories about Leonard being away. Shennys thrive on Leonard hate because there is no Penny romantic chemistry with Sheldon.

You also don't seem to read well, I didn't say there was no OOC Lenny or Shamy stories. I said Shenny have to write Sheldon and/or Penny OOC to create this chemistry they say exists. That is the definition of a hypocrite.

[sECUREij]

Show me one fan fiction where Leonard punches Sheldon or where Leonard cheats with Amy, that is not written by a Shenny. I can list Shenny stories where Sheldon physically hurts Leonard and all summer Shennys wrote cheating stories about Leonard being away. Shennys thrive on Leonard hate because there is no Penny romantic chemistry with Sheldon.

You also don't seem to read well, I didn't say there was no OOC Lenny or Shamy stories. I said Shenny have to write Sheldon and/or Penny OOC to create this chemistry they say exists. That is the definition of a hypocrite.

yeah no. I'm done I'm not going to argue with a Lenny fan' it's impossible for them to make the distinction between Shenny, and not liking Leonard.

I Don't like Leonard plain and simple. I'm not a Shenny fan nor do i see them getting together

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yeah no. I'm done I'm not going to argue with a Lenny fan' it's impossible for them to make the distinction between Shenny, and not liking Leonard.

I Don't like Leonard plain and simple. I'm not a Shenny fan nor do i see them getting together

 

 

No you are not getting off that easy, you are an agitator and it is against forum rules to get on a topic, like this Leonard and Penny shipping one and start trashing Leonard.  There are not any topics on this board that are for Leonard trashing, but there is a Shenny board that thrives on it, so go there.

[sECUREij]

No you are not getting off that easy, you are an agitator and it is against forum rules to get on a topic, like this Leonard and Penny shipping one and start trashing Leonard.  There are not any topics on this board that are for Leonard trashing, but there is a board that thrives on it, so go there.

I Wasn't bashing Leonard look back at all my post I never said a thing nagative beside I don't like him. All I said was with the s7 direction it look to me Lenny might be heading for a breakup. You were the one to turn this into Shenny vs Lenny. You were the one to turn this into an argument. I wasn't trying be an agitator, I was making a comment on a Lenny board about a Lenny topic .

[sECUREij]

Actually L is a ladies man he;s had at least 5 women hit on him (not including Penny). I have read every Lenny fanfiction and cow forgive me , even a few Shenny, and the L trashing in Shenny FF is significantly greater than S basing in Lenny FF.

But you have to remember that Lenny and Shamy FFs are in the minority. I did the math Shenny on ff.net is somewhere between 45% to 47% where as Lenny and Shamy average around 15%. To 17% each, and when I give these numbers I mean devoted fanfics, I didnt mean howadette/rajoc, because that would take a lot of guess work but it's safe to say that Shenny FICA dwarf Lenny and Shamy. So fic for fic you're probaly right because of the massive majority Shenny holds on ff.net, but I wonder if Lenny and Shamy were scaled to Shenny if those numbers would be scued.

[Tensor]

yeah no. I'm done I'm not going to argue with a Lenny fan' it's impossible for them to make the distinction between Shenny, and not liking Leonard.

I Don't like Leonard plain and simple. I'm not a Shenny fan nor do i see them getting together

If you don't like Leonard, you should take it to another thread. Bashing the couple or either of the people in the couple is not supposed to happen in this thread. I provided you with the links to the rules for Shipper threads, and a link to Tripper's explanation for it earlier. You were still rather new on those earlier posts, but you don't have that excuse now. Again, I am not a moderator so I have no power to tell what you should and shouldn't do, just letting you know what the rules are and Tripper's interpretation of those rules.

But you have to remember that Lenny and Shamy FFs are in the minority. I did the math Shenny on ff.net is somewhere between 45% to 47% where as Lenny and Shamy average around 15%. To 17% each, and when I give these numbers I mean devoted fanfics, I didnt mean howadette/rajoc, because that would take a lot of guess work but it's safe to say that Shenny FICA dwarf Lenny and Shamy. So fic for fic you're probaly right because of the massive majority Shenny holds on ff.net, but I wonder if Lenny and Shamy were scaled to Shenny if those numbers would be scued.

And all of this means squat. It doesn't matter what FF writers do, it's what the show writers do. They just signed Mayim for three or four years. They didn't do that to get Penny and Sheldon together.

Edited January 20, 2014 by Tensor

[sECUREij]

If you don't like Leonard, you should take it to another thread. Bashing the couple or either of the people in the couple is not supposed to happen in this thread. I provided you with the links to the rules for Shipper threads, and a link to Tripper's explanation for it earlier. You were still rather new on those earlier posts, but you don't have that excuse now. Again, I am not a moderator so I have no power to tell what you should and shouldn't do, just letting you know what the rules are and Tripper's interpretation of those rules.And all of this means squat. It doesn't matter what FF writers do, it's what the show writers do. They just signed Mayim for three or four years. They didn't do that to get Penny and Sheldon together.

I wasn't bashing Leonard I was making a comment on the story progression of s7

the way this season is going (fight after fight) and bandage fixes (Leonard's completely insincere support of Penny) they're more then likely break up

Does that look like a bash, I was making a comment on the most recent episodes. Leonard and. Penny have been fighting pretty much the entire season. So is it a far stretch to think that they might break up. I wasn't trying to be spiteful nor bash Lenny it's just an observation, based on the respective nature of sitcoms

[Tensor]

I wasn't bashing Leonard I was making a comment on the story progression of s7

Does that look like a bash, I was making a comment on the most recent episodes. Leonard and. Penny have been fighting pretty much the entire season. So is it a far stretch to think that they might break up. I wasn't trying to be spiteful nor bash Lenny it's just an observation, based on the respective nature of sitcoms

You  specifically said you don't like Leonard. 

 

Yes, you're saying Leonard was insincere support of Penny.  It was sincere.   If you think it was insincere, don't discuss it here,  take it to the shipping wars thread. It's not supposed to be in this thread. Here, I'll give you the first sentence in Tripper's explanation:

Ship zones are threads for shippers to discuss their ship among themselves, without having a wider debate about the different ships. These threads are a community for their specific ship and it would not be right for people with opposing views to stir up trouble in these threads. Many of these threads were started naturally as people sought to find like-minded shippers.

 

Let's see, you don't like Leonard, so why would you be in a thread that is supposed to celebrate him as part of a couple.    And, since these are supposed to be for a specific ship, are you saying you like the Lenny coupling, while disliking Leonard?

I wasn't bashing Leonard I was making a comment on the story progression of s7

Does that look like a bash, I was making a comment on the most recent episodes. Leonard and. Penny have been fighting pretty much the entire season. So is it a far stretch to think that they might break up. I wasn't trying to be spiteful nor bash Lenny it's just an observation, based on the respective nature of sitcoms

 

Here are some more for you:

 

Along with the regular forum rules, the main rule in a ship zone is that you should only post in these ship zones if your posts will be constructive and generally supportive of the ship.  You should not post in a competing ship zone to support your own different ship. You should not post in a ship zone to diminish a ship or its shippers.

Edited January 20, 2014 by Tensor

[sECUREij]

You  specifically said you don't like Leonard. 

 

Yes, you're saying Leonard was insincere support of Penny.  It was sincere.   If you think it was insincere, don't discuss it here,  take it to the shipping wars thread. It's not supposed to be in this thread. Here, I'll give you the first sentence in Tripper's explanation:

Ship zones are threads for shippers to discuss their ship among themselves, without having a wider debate about the different ships. These threads are a community for their specific ship and it would not be right for people with opposing views to stir up trouble in these threads. Many of these threads were started naturally as people sought to find like-minded shippers.

 

Let's see, you don't like Leonard, so why would you be in a thread that is supposed to celebrate him as part of a couple.    And, since these are supposed to be for a specific ship, are you saying you like the Lenny coupling, while disliking Leonard?

 

Here are some more for you:

 

Along with the regular forum rules, the main rule in a ship zone is that you should only post in these ship zones if your posts will be constructive and generally supportive of the ship.  You should not post in a competing ship zone to support your own different ship. You should not post in a ship zone to diminish a ship or its shippers.

This is Lenny s7 isn't this where we discuss Lenny in s7. I Mean where can I go to discuss both positive and negative sides Lenny as long as it's mature. Do I just go to the season spoiler thread

[Tensor]

This is Lenny s7 isn't this where we discuss Lenny in s7. I Mean where can I go to discuss both positive and negative sides Lenny as long as it's mature. Do I just go to the season spoiler thread

 

 

As I pointed out to you before, the thread is called "Shipping Lanes".  You can find it  

Edited January 20, 2014 by Tensor

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Sorry Tensor, that I called him out.  I just get a little pissed when someone gets on a Leonard/Penny shipping topic and the first thing they say is I don't like Leonard, then tries to defend the Shenny line.

[Tensor]

Sorry Tensor, that I called him out.  I just get a little pissed when someone gets on a Leonard/Penny shipping topic and the first thing they say is I don't like Leonard, then tries to defend the Shenny line.

 

No problem, it's  hard habit to break, I know.  The best thing to do is just refer the poster to the rules for shipping zones,  in a FYI sort of way, and then, if they argue, report it.   A lot of problems within the shipping threads are people trying to reply (I'm not singling you out, I do it also) and argue with the poster who is, one way or another, trying to say something derogatory about the ship or one of it's members.   That's the worst thing to do (and again, I'm guilty of it), and it's why there is a report button.