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So true Tensor.   The most consistent motif the writers have used with Penny is her insecurity about her intelligence and judgement. It pops up constantly in several episodes a season, starting with

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OK, I went and re-watched the show tonight. I was looking at how Leonard and Penny reacted and it became obvious it was a no-win for Leonard. He was obviously sticking his foot in his mouth while tryi

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I'm suddenly a Shenny shipper because I'm actually sticking up for Penny and treating her as a human being? That just says it all, doesn't it?

 

Hum? So you are saying Leonard doesn't treat her like a human being? What's wrong with this thread? It's a mess :swoon:

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I'm suddenly a Shenny shipper because I'm actually sticking up for Penny and treating her as a human being? That just says it all, doesn't it?

I'm confused by all this. Who is not treating Penny as a human being? I'm confused as FileXxX is.

People can have opinions about whoever they want, there isn't a rule that says one ship can't like the other as well you know

I given my opinions in the past (mostly last season)  on the Shamy thread and it was suggested by someone on there I should be banned. It was a list that included others. It was a generalized statement such as bigbangsheldon made.

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Hum? So you are saying Leonard doesn't treat her like a human being? What's wrong with this thread? It's a mess :swoon:

 

Stop twisting my words. I never said that once. 

 

I'm confused by all this. Who is not treating Penny as a human being? I'm confused as FileXxX is.

I given my opinions in the past (mostly last season)  on the Shamy thread and it was suggested by someone on there I should be banned. It was a list that included others. It was a generalized statement such as bigbangsheldon made.

 

Except I recall your posts were comments against the Shamy, on a Shamy appreciation thread - and I haven't said anything against LP. I like them.

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The first thing that attracted me to this show was the science, but then I fell in love with the Lenny relationship. To me, it is extremely real. Whereas, I love Shamy because of its innocence and just the fact that it is different from anything I have ever seen, Lenny is a relationship in a form that so many of us are in, or have been in. Basing it off of real life, to me, it seems like Penny's committment issues are less to do with her feelings towards Leonard, and more to do with her own self-doubt. She is in such a raw, vulnerable state right now, where she sees herself as a failure, and that sort of mindset makes it impossible to give yourself 100% to someone else. The old saying is that you should love yourself first. The way I see it, she completely loves Leonard, but because she is questioning herself at the moment, she has a hard time believing that Leonard truly thinks she can make it in acting (even though he does). Which is pretty painful for her to hear right after she quit waitressing.

On the other hand, I think that Leonard truly believes in Penny's acting abilities, and wants to see her succeed. But, he loves her so much that he does not want to see her get hurt. He knows how sensitive she is, and knows how difficult it is (and how long it may take) to make it big in acting. It is almost like he knows she is good enough, but because of how the industry works, he is scared that she will be turned down one too many times and it will burn her out, before she ever makes it big (even though he believes that, given patience, she will succeed one day). We see in the spoilers for next week that Leonard is not accustomed to taking risks, so he may be projecting his own insecurities on her. He wants to spare her feelings, but needs to articulate this to Penny better. Penny may or may not see this, but I hope TPTB give them some good episodes to address their miscommunications. Lenny is such a sweet couple and I think they are going through the inevitable, albeit difficult times that every relationship passes through, and I just hope that love wins out!

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Stop twisting my words. I never said that once. 

 

 

Except I recall your posts were comments against the Shamy, on a Shamy appreciation thread - and I haven't said anything against LP. I like them.

I remember making comments against Shamy fans which is what you are doing on here. Also a debate over Amy/Penny in Tenure Turbulance. I guess you could be right about the Shamy but I don't remember now. I tend to say more on the spoiler thread and here. The Shamy fan comments were the reason that one Shamy shipper tried to get me banned from the thread.

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I don't think that Leonard and Penny have to move in together this season--and I don't think that postponing their moving in together constitutes their relationship moving at a snail's pace.

Because the show doesn't want to get to anyone's finish line too soon (and they each have their own finish lines), they're going to put off any big, show-altering changes as long as they can.  That's why Leonard and Penny aren't living together or married.

 

Frankly, I see them getting engaged before they get around to moving in together simply because of the show logistics.  Penny could easily go ahead and propose to Leonard, but say that she doesn't want to set a date until her career is on track or something like that.  That way, they get one relationship hurdle out of the way, without having to make any major changes to the show.

I think that Sheldon asking those questions about where they're all going to live is the show's way of answering the fans, just like Spoiler Alert kind of answered the question about L/P and S/A living together--the writers came out and told the audience that Penny wasn't ready for Leonard to move in--not because she didn't love him, but just that it was too much--and Sheldon wasn't ready to live with Amy--again, too much too soon.

 

And now it seems that they're answering the question again--if L/P were to get married, what would the living arrangement be and how would that affect Sheldon?  It's not that Sheldon's life is tied up in their relationship (though it is) as much as it's about the show's set-up.

 

At any rate, none of this changes the fact that Leonard and Penny are together.  Just because they don't live together yet doesn't mean there's anything wrong with their relationship.

 

I think that having Penny quit her CCF job is going to be about her career and what she does to get by more than it's going to be about whether or not they're ready to move in together.  So, in that regard, I think that the idea of them living together will be put on the back burner in favor of the travails of her career aspirations.

And, also, it probably isn't going to be on the front burner of every episode--as we have already seen in the two latest taping reports.

They don't have to talk about it in every episode in order for it to be ongoing in the background, just like we don't need to have relationship episodes every week.

 

This next episode is a great example--life goes on and nobody's relationship is really being "worked on".  The focus is on the guys trying to get to Comic Con, etc., and the girls' little subplot, and Penny's career issues are not discussed at this point.

 

Like I said, I'm sure they'll hit on it in upcoming episodes, but I don't think it's going to be dealt with and over with in just a few weeks.  Since we presumably have 3 more seasons to go and this one is only half over, they may take their time moving anyone in together or Penny's acting job issues.

 

While the Lenny doesn't move at the same slow pace as the Shamy does, I don't think that the writers are in any hurry to reach any major goal posts, either.

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I remember making comments against Shamy fans which is what you are doing on here. Also a debate over Amy/Penny in Tenure Turbulance. I guess you could be right about the Shamy but I don't remember now. I tend to say more on the spoiler thread and here. The Shamy fan comments were the reason that one Shamy shipper tried to get me banned from the thread.

 

There's nothing stopping you from trying to get me banned from this thread if you feel so strongly about it.

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Chloe made a broad generalization, I called her on it, she apologized. Can we not move on?

She did apologize but what does"a lot" mean? A lot seems like a generalization. Maybe a couple people?

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And if my post was deleted for calling someone an idiot...the same should go for the others for calling others selfish and pathetic for wanting something out of fictional characters...

If it was deleted, it was probably reported to and deleted by Tripper, because he didn't like the idea of someone calling someone else names. If he did delete it, then this one probably will also be deleted, for the same reason. If you don't like a post, report it, don't turn around and do the same thing.

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If it was deleted, it was probably reported to and deleted by Tripper, because he didn't like the idea of someone calling someone else names. If he did delete it, then this one probably will also be deleted, for the same reason. If you don't like a post, report it, don't turn around and do the same thing.

 

Thanks for the info :) ... Did not know that before....

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And if people want Penny to be failure ...its their wish for a fictional character...it is as selfish as people wanting Penny to be successful.... there is no difference...both are wishing for something happening to a fictional character...

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Thanks for the info :) ... Did not know that before....

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And if people want Penny to be failure ...its their wish for fictional characters...it is as selfish as people wanting Penny to be successful.... there is no difference...

 

Disagreeing with someone's posts or point of view or whatever is very different from calling someone an idiot.  You can say someone's point is idiotic without calling that person an idiot.

 

I daresay you wouldn't want to be called an idiot--that's called bashing.

 

And how is it selfish to want Penny to be a success?  I think the point being made about some people seeming to want Penny to be a failure is that they want it for reasons beyond the story being told on the show.  They seem to want it because they dislike Penny and therefore want her to fail for their own personal reasons, not because of how the characters relate to each other on the show.

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Disagreeing with someone's posts or point of view or whatever is very different from calling someone an idiot.  You can say someone's point is idiotic without calling that person an idiot.

 

I daresay you wouldn't want to be called an idiot--that's called bashing.

 

if calling someone idiot is bashing.....then calling someone selfish and pathetic because they they wished for something to happen to a fictional character is also bashing....

 

I did not know previously that we could report stuff...so I bashed her as a response of her bashing all the people here...

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Thanks for the info :) ... Did not know that before....

There aren't all that many and there is a screen asking if you've read the rules, when you signed up. Note the first one.

The only posters who can delete posts, other than their own are the moderators . Note the forum has one, Tripper, he is the judge and the jury here.

The report button is in the lower right corner of every post. Usually to the left of the Multi-quote button. And just because you report it, doesn't mean anything will happen, it's up to Tripper's discretion.

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And how is it selfish to want Penny to be a success?  I think the point being made about some people seeming to want Penny to be a failure is that they want it for reasons beyond the story being told on the show.  They seem to want it because they dislike Penny and therefore want her to fail for their own personal reasons, not because of how the characters relate to each other on the show.

 

How is it not....its something people want to see so that it makes them happy......same case for the opposite who want to see Penny as a failure....it probably makes them happy.......

 

do you know the story that they are going to tell....no....same for me too....so what's wrong in wishing for something....

 

so if some people dislike penny...they want her to fail....but no one said that they want you or me to fail...its their wish for a fictional character.....so they can anything they want about things they want to happen to fictional characters.

 

And Penny failing has nothing to do with how characters can relate to each other on the show.... she still can fail...she still can succeed.....no one knows what going to happen..

 

And you wish to see Sheldon is very revealing outfits....so was it because of your personal reasons or because that is how characters relate to each other in the show.....some wish to see Sheldon-Penny together.....there is nothing wrong in wishing...

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How is it not....its something people want to see so that it makes them happy......same case for the opposite who want to see Penny as a failure....it probably makes them happy.......

 

do you know the story that they are going to tell....no....same for me too....so what's wrong in wishing for something....

 

so if some people dislike penny...they want her to fail....but no one said that they want you or me to fail...its their wish for a fictional character.....so they can anything they want about things they want to happen to fictional characters.

 

And Penny failing has nothing to do with how characters can relate to each other on the show.... she still can fail...she still can succeed.....no one knows what going to happen..

 

And you wish to see Sheldon is very revealing outfits....so was it because of your personal reasons or because that is how characters relate to each other in the show.....some wish to see Sheldon-Penny together.....there is nothing wrong in wishing...

 

I would say something, but I would have to resort to bashing you... :p

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I'm suddenly a Shenny shipper because I'm actually sticking up for Penny and treating her as a human being? That just says it all, doesn't it?

 

Yeah, your reading comprehension skills need serious work (along with DaisyJane's).  Claiming people only care about Leonard and just see Penny as an object to make him happy is one of the mottoes of the Shenny crowd.  I never said it made you a Shenny.  If you don't like being lumped in with them, maybe you shouldn't sound like them.  Particularly when virtually no one is doing what you claimed in this thread.  Maybe vasu did in some posts that were deleted.  But trying to crucify everyone in this thread for what he posted, particularly when most everyone here disagrees with him on a daily basis, shows how ridiculous your post was.

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So everyone, is the next taping this Tuesday? I need to know what Conjunction Junction means! Hopefully it is about PENNY and Leonard. Maybe it means that PENNY is at a crossroads with her career and she obtains a acting job! :)

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Yeah, your reading comprehension skills need serious work (along with DaisyJane's).  Claiming people only care about Leonard and just see Penny as an object to make him happy is one of the mottoes of the Shenny crowd.  I never said it made you a Shenny.  If you don't like being lumped in with them, maybe you shouldn't sound like them.  Particularly when virtually no one is doing what you claimed in this thread.  Maybe vasu did in some posts that were deleted.  But trying to crucify everyone in this thread for what he posted, particularly when most everyone here disagrees with him on a daily basis, shows how ridiculous your post was.

I think in the future people should refrain from Generalizing ships, but as for your comment that Shennies claiming Penny is just an object to make Leonard happy, well arent you doing the same thing your accusing a few people of? Of course Penny is the object of Leonard's happiness, that is not a bad thing and it is definately not a reason to undermine someones points in their post, not that I am saying your doing any of this, but just sharing my opinion. And I dont think BigBang was crucifying that person for what that person posted, or telling someone what they can and what they can not post in reply or in the OP, is no worser then the points your trying to make. The point being made here I think is, that Penny is not soley relient on Leonard for financial support, she has always in some ways falled back on the guys for wifi and food e.t.c. But I think theirs a reason why the writers made her quit her job, they maybe trying to give her some acting gigs, that way it well give her validation, and she needs it to have some self worth that she can bring to her relationship with Leonard. Complaining that they are not married yet, or not living together yet is pointless at this stage, people keep going on about lack of story ideas for Lenny, and everything for Shamy yet if they rolled out everything, it would get boring pretty quick just saying. 

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Conjunction is used in grammar meaning a word linking two clauses( examples in English are but, and, because, however. It's used in astronomy as meaning two objects that appear close together in the sky. But, the third meaning is interesting. It can mean the act of, or the state of being conjoined( joined together).

Junction means

1) a place or point where two things are joined.

2) the act of joining two things together:Combining

3) The state of being joined:Union

Both words can mean the act or state of being joined. Geeeee, I can't think of anything that would fit in the show at this point in time, can anyone else?

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I think that the reason they had Penny quit TCCF was to give a reason for her and Leonard to move in together. The writers made it clear (through Leonard) just how long the odds of success are for someone trying to be an actor. Given the odds, it would be no surprise if L/P move in together. That's not to say anything about Penny's acting skills. There so many intangibles involved that it's not just a cliche to say the best actor in the world probably can't get hired. As for Penny's career, It would be nice to see her getting a few acting jobs, but more likely she'll end up going to school for something. In any case Leonard would be glad to help Penny out, no matter what the results. Though they do need to find a way to cut Sheldon loose.

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