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I never said that is what they should show entirely.....but after making such a big deal there should atleast be hints about what she is doing or gonna do….

 

Why? What they've done is enough for me.

 

Again this is as ridiculous as the bathroom point....

It's not any more ridiculous as demanding that they show exactly what you want them to.

 

we have seen Penny having problems paying her bills even she had a job....so how is going to pay her bills now is a perfectly valid question....as simple as that…

 

and as for the "facts"... I don't know ......not many people outside the industry would know how much Penny might have gotten from her gig at NCIS…

So? How much did Penny make at TCF the last month she worked there? Not many people outside of The Cheesecake factory would know how much she got from the work she did at the Cheesecake factory. Why is not knowing how much she made for NCIS any different than not knowing how much she made at the Cheesecake Factory?

 

 

I simply don't understand....Penny made a big deal about her career in the last episodes....so what is she going to do next is the most important question…..

You are massively ignoring the history of this show. Kaley even mentioned it during an interview, about how the show will do something moments, then ignore it for a few weeks. For example, when she said "I love you" to Leonard, and they agreed to not make a big deal of it right then, the two didn't have a scene together by themselves nor did they talk about their relationship for over six weeks. How is this any different from that?

 

she told she got an audition about the ncis part.... it was enough for me...

 

Interesting.  You somehow think they should now show her auditioning, when it was enough for you to not get showed she was auditioning before. That's awfully inconsistent of you.

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I never said that is what they should show entirely.....but after making such a big deal there should atleast be hints about what she is doing or gonna do....

 

 

 

 

I don't think I'm picking and choosing what I want to see....

If you read my posts you can see that ..... Leonard said he disproved the element and it was enough for me.....similarly Penny never was shown at school but she said she was going to school...so again it was fine...

but now after making such a big deal about her career....not even small hints(based on spoilers...there might be in the actual episode ...we'll have to wait and see).

 

But you did get some small hints. When the three girls pulled out money to pay at the bar at the hotel (tea party) Amy and Bernadette had cash and Penny had to go through her purse to come up with her share. In the Valentines episode when Leonard  got her Lakers tickets and all he got was flowers and free candy (which he couldn't eat). he complained how much more he spent. I agree it could of been brought up at the tea party but it wasn't. But it will be brought up....eventually.

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I don't think it rude for her friends to ask about her finances. She is living by herself with no job. I do agree about devoting time towards it on the show. But if they don't mention her getting an acting gig or something soon they wouldn't be much friends if they didn't ask. Did you think it was rude and insulting when Penny asked Sheldon if the Shamy was ever going to have sex?

I think its rude to ask, in fact it pretty much defines bad etiquette. If the person broaches the subject, as Sheldon did the physical intimacy, then that is a bit different. But I never talk about money unless it is brought up by the party in question, because their finances are none of my business. It would be especially condescending from some like Bernadette, who emasculates her husband for making less than she does.

Penny's been on her own since she was 18, I think she'll manage.

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Why? What they've done is enough for me.

 

Well then good for you... again if they had done some plot regarding Penny's career you probably would have said the opposite things as to what you have said now...

 

It's not any more ridiculous as demanding that they show exactly what you want them to.

 

Demanding... :p ... so all these people posting things are demanding to show what they exactly want them to.... how I am any different...

 

So? How much did Penny make at TCF the last month she worked there? Not many people outside of The Cheesecake factory would know how much she got from the work she did at the Cheesecake factory. Why is not knowing how much she made for NCIS any different than not knowing how much she made at the Cheesecake Factory?

 

 Again...many times it has been shown that Penny has troubles paying her bills....that is what is most important especially now as she has no source of income.......all the little details you point out are not...

 

You are massively ignoring the history of this show. Kaley even mentioned it during an interview, about how the show will do something moments, then ignore it for a few weeks. For example, when she said "I love you" to Leonard, and they agreed to not make a big deal of it right then, the two didn't have a scene together by themselves nor did they talk about their relationship for over six weeks. How is this any different from that?

 

umm , the drunken proposal was talked about the in next episode , the proposal in bed was talked about in the next episode....

 

well then you too seem to ignore some history of the show that does not favour your arguments...

 

Interesting.  You somehow think they should now show her auditioning, when it was enough for you to not get showed she was auditioning before. That's awfully inconsistent of you.

Again if you read my posts....I said I was ok with any of the hints that I get....her saying she went to this/that auditions or she did this/that would be fine...

 

Its pretty consistent of me...

 

But you did get some small hints. When the three girls pulled out money to pay at the bar at the hotel (tea party) Amy and Bernadette had cash and Penny had to go through her purse to come up with her share. In the Valentines episode when Leonard  got her Lakers tickets and all he got was flowers and free candy (which he couldn't eat). he complained how much more he spent. I agree it could of been brought up at the tea party but it wasn't. But it will be brought up....eventually.

 

Ahh , good to know....I just read through those reports not just in a detailed way....

I think its rude to ask, in fact it pretty much defines bad etiquette. If the person broaches the subject, as Sheldon did the physical intimacy, then that is a bit different. But I never talk about money unless it is brought up by the party in question, because their finances are none of my business. It would be especially condescending from some like Bernadette, who emasculates her husband for making less than she does.

Penny's been on her own since she was 18, I think she'll manage.

 

Amy does not know any etiquette.....

 

And Penny is cute , she get's by... :p

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I think its rude to ask, in fact it pretty much defines bad etiquette. If the person broaches the subject, as Sheldon did the physical intimacy, then that is a bit different. But I never talk about money unless it is brought up by the party in question, because their finances are none of my business. It would be especially condescending from some like Bernadette, who emasculates her husband for making less than she does.

Penny's been on her own since she was 18, I think she'll manage.

Four of those years she lived with Kurt. She borrowed money from Sheldon once and Leonard "convinced" Kurt to pay her back owed money back. I think "eventually" Penny will bring it up if/when she can't afford to do certain things.

 

Well why would Amy need to know?

They all know already. She has always scraped by as it was and now she has no job. For the NCIS party she got free food from TCF. It's not that hard to figure out.

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I think its rude to ask, in fact it pretty much defines bad etiquette. If the person broaches the subject, as Sheldon did the physical intimacy, then that is a bit different. But I never talk about money unless it is brought up by the party in question, because their finances are none of my business. It would be especially condescending from some like Bernadette, who emasculates her husband for making less than she does.

 

Well Penny mocked Howard for not having a PHD when she was a waitress... for comedy of course....but still.....

 

Well why would Amy need to know?

 

umm...Amy seemed pretty surprised and curious when talked to Leonard in the cafeteria about Penny quitting her job in the last episode...

 

or because Penny is her bestie....

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Well Penny mocked Howard for not having a PHD when she was a waitress... for comedy of course....but still.....

umm...Amy seemed pretty surprised and curious when talked to Leonard in the cafeteria about Penny quitting her job in the last episode...

or because Penny is her bestie....

Well Bernadette sure as heck doesn't say it jokingly.

Some of my "besties" have money issues but I don't pry. Neither should they, it isn't any of their business.

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umm...yeah it is....because a big deal was made by Penny about her devoting her entire time on her career.....so much so that she even quit her job...

 

and as far as her pay is concerned....many many times it has been shown that Penny has troubles paying bills....so when she quits her job ...how Penny is going to pay her bills is the basic question anyone would ask.....

 

as far as comedy.... i thought Penny scene getting cut out and her quitting TCF did not have much comedy to go along with...infact the drama seemed much higher ...

 

it was said in the show that Leonard disproved Sheldon's element...that enough for me... I don't need the details.....but with the spoilers we have got so far I did not see any hints about Penny's acting career or her bills..(not even tiny ones)....

 

My point was not just about Penny's finances...it was also about her trying hard to make something happen in her career...

 

And little time?? Penny just quit her job...and looks like they are  going to adult tea parties to prove that they have "grown up"......does'nt sound a lot better than them discussing her next career move or her finances...

 

Like I said, you don't seem to understand how TV/writing/sitcoms work.

 

Things are implied in the background and only brought to the fore when they want to focus on them.  But nothing says that every episode from now on has to show Penny at every audition or working the corner to pay her bills.

If they want to make a point about her career/money situation, they'll return to it.  But in the meantime, there are plenty of other stories to tell.

 

That's how it works.

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Perhaps I'm sensing a cliff hanger to do with penny it seems like it!

I expect that Penny's financial situation will be brought up by the end of the season. I think it will be used as an excuse to move L/P in together. (That's JMNSHO.) In the long run it doesn't matter what causes it, this will just speed things up.

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Well then good for you... again if they had done some plot regarding Penny's career you probably would have said the opposite things as to what you have said now…

No, I'm good. I just assume they aren't showing the auditions she goes on. She said she's concentrating on her career, I believe her. Why isn't that good enough for you, when it's good enough for you when Leonard says he disproved Sheldon's theory? Why do you take Leonard's word for it, but not Penny's?

 

Demanding... :p ... so all these people posting things are demanding to show what they exactly want them to.... how I am any different…

Because, when another character is shown in similar situations, you're OK with it. Almost all those everyday type things that happen aren't shown. They don't show the guys at work all the time, does that mean they aren't working. But, you seem to be OK with them not showing the guys going into the lab everyday.

 

Again...many times it has been shown that Penny has troubles paying her bills….

And there are many more shows that show her not having any problems. Now, does that mean she isn't having a problem with her bills, if they don't show her having a problem? They show things when they want to, mostly if those things lead to their idea of comedy. That doesn't mean things aren't happening when they don't show them.

 

that is what is most important especially now as she has no source of income

She doesn't need a source of income right now. She got enough from her week at NCIS to last her more than a month. She will not need a source of income for at least the next taping, possible longer. It's how normal non-star actors live, from part to part.

 

.......all the little details you point out are not…

But, all those little details add up to, there isn't anything to show yet. The little detail that she made more in that one week, than she does at the Cheesecake Factory in a month is more than a small detail, it's a valid reason not to worry about her bills, just yet. You seem to think otherwise, why?

 

umm , the drunken proposal was talked about the in next episode , the proposal in bed was talked about in the next episode....

 

well then you too seem to ignore some history of the show that does not favour your arguments…

No, I'm showing that they are doing with the current Penny situation, the same thing they have done before, so it's not unusual for this to be happening. Yes, they have shown things right after, but they also have not shown things right after. You're going on as if it never happens, it does.

 

Again if you read my posts....I said I was ok with any of the hints that I get....her saying she went to this/that auditions or she did this/that would be fine…

Then why aren't you complaining that there aren't any hints about what Howard working on? Leonard has been show working on something other than disproving Sheldon, how many times? Where's your objections to those things?

 

Its pretty consistent of me…

You're complaining about them not showing or providing hints that Penny is auditioning, but are not complaining that they aren't showing Howard is working on anything. That is what is inconsistent.

 

Ahh , good to know....I just read through those reports not just in a detailed way….

So, you didn't really have any basis for complaining about not getting any hints. Don't you think you should have read them, to make sure there wasn't anything there, before complaining about things?

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They only have about 20 minutes to show the activities of 7 people for about a week. Almost all of what they do will have to be implied and not directly stated. For instance we know that L/P are having coitus on a regular basis, they don't have to mention it.

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Would there be as much concern about Penny working at TCCF if Lenny were married or formally committed to each other? 

No don't think if they were married their would be any less concern about Penny working at the TCCF if they were married, they have dated this whole time and her working their was never an issue, so don't think it would be now. I don't think it has anything to do with their relationship, but more Penny's lack of self worth, and wanting to be succesfull as an actress, she started working as a waitress to support her acting career, so now its not going anywhere, guess she wants to focus soley on acting.

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Would there be as much concern about Penny not working at TCCF if Lenny were married or formally committed to each other? 

 

I like seeing Penny go after what she wants and think quitting was long overdue, but I wouldn't want to see her dependent on Leonard under any circumstances. One of her best qualities is her independence and it would truly be a shame to see her lose that. 

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No, I'm good. I just assume they aren't showing the auditions she goes on. She said she's concentrating on her career, I believe her. Why isn't that good enough for you, when it's good enough for you when Leonard says he disproved Sheldon's theory? Why do you take Leonard's word for it, but not Penny's? 

Because, when another character is shown in similar situations, you're OK with it. Almost all those everyday type things that happen aren't shown. They don't show the guys at work all the time, does that mean they aren't working. But, you seem to be OK with them not showing the guys going into the lab everyday.

And there are many more shows that show her not having any problems. Now, does that mean she isn't having a problem with her bills, if they don't show her having a problem? They show things when they want to, mostly if those things lead to their idea of comedy. That doesn't mean things aren't happening when they don't show them. 

She doesn't need a source of income right now. She got enough from her week at NCIS to last her more than a month. She will not need a source of income for at least the next taping, possible longer. It's how normal non-star actors live, from part to part.

 

But, all those little details add up to, there isn't anything to show yet. The little detail that she made more in that one week, than she does at the Cheesecake Factory in a month is more than a small detail, it's a valid reason not to worry about her bills, just yet. You seem to think otherwise, why?

 

No, I'm showing that they are doing with the current Penny situation, the same thing they have done before, so it's not unusual for this to be happening. Yes, they have shown things right after, but they also have not shown things right after. You're going on as if it never happens, it does.

 

Then why aren't you complaining that there aren't any hints about what Howard working on? Leonard has been show working on something other than disproving Sheldon, how many times? Where's your objections to those things?

 

You're complaining about them not showing or providing hints that Penny is auditioning, but are not complaining that they aren't showing Howard is working on anything. That is what is inconsistent.

 

 

I don't have the patience to reply to each of your replies.... sorry

 

but I will just say one thing...all the other characters never quit their job and made huge statements about this being their only chance and a huge risk which Penny did....as simple as that...

 

So, you didn't really have any basis for complaining about not getting any hints. Don't you think you should have read them, to make sure there wasn't anything there, before complaining about things?

First of all posting what I feel is not complaining..

ok , I did not read it properly... I don't see any rules that says you have to post only when you read properly...

and why could'nt you just reply to my original post saying there were hints in the episodes...rather than saying things happen in background...the show many times does these kind of things.....and giving bathroom anologies...

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The Penny finance issue is getting beaten to death, I think. It will either come up, or it won't. Penny may be doing a lot of little gigs not worth mentioning in the business. Running scripts, backup for understudies, basically a lot of minimum wage stuff people not in the business such as myself wouldn't be aware of. Consider that Leonard and to a lesser extent Sheldon have been subsidizing her with food, internet and such for years whether Leonard was dating her or not, I don't think for a minute her boyfriend and good friend will hesitate to spot her some cash with no strings attached. They even made jokes and plot points about it. When L/P weren't dating, Leonard covered her for several thousand bucks, and Raj and Howard dissed him for lending her money with no quid pro quo (i.e. sex). Sheldon will lend her money with no questions asked. I think the writers have established that the only one of the three that worries about this is Penny. This is good, but it also means that her getting money from the guys is nothing that would be worth wasting screen time on. They will front her, no strings atached, and Penny will fret about it in private. They guys have made it clear through action and word that it is not worth discussing. If she needs help, they will provide it. Kinda wonderful, isn't.

On a different note, since when did the Season 7 spoilers thread get taken over by Shamys? That they would melt down over the threat of a Shamy breakup is perfectly understandable, in the Shamy-Spoiler thread. We melt down almost weekly, as one of the regular contributors to this thread noted over there. The difference is that the poster was shouted down and piled on for not being totally berserk at the mere possibility of a Shamy breakup. A lot of the explanation was that is that poster did not get why he should be melting down over what is a near weekly occurrance for Lenny, he had no business being on the Season 7 spoiler thread, and was simply being a troll besides. We've certainly had our share of Shamys coming to visit and snark about Lenny, our discussions rarely get more intense than a golf clap compare to what is supposed to be an open forum for all ships and season issues. I really did not feel comfortable there making any sort of comment. It is as if they are speaking in code.

I do think the table plot line is very interesting as it is a sign of domesticity in Penny. For someone that barely throws takeout containers away, for her to worry about needing a proper dining table is pretty telling. Further, it is symbolic of the changing dynamic, as some have noted in the Season 7 spoiler thread, when not dissing the poor Lenny shipper suggesting that everyone chill about Shamy. Personally, sitting around a coffee table eating take-out while trying not to get soy sauce on the floor is no fun. Why not sit around a table and make it easier to clean up.

It was also implied in the other thread that as Sheldon was in the apartment first, it is somehow "his". If Leonard pays equal rent, it shouldn't be. I briefly lived in a situation where one guy, remarkably like Sheldon, treated the apartment as "his" and rented the other two rooms out (it was a three bedroom and huge). He dominated the living room area, but oddly enough stayed in the smallest bedroom. It was an annoying situation in theory, but as I was studying 24-7, not an issue with me, and he was moving out in six months. Still, the situation was annoying as I paid the same rent as he did. If the situation had continued, I'd have wanted a change.

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I think the situation with Penny not having a job will come up soon because think of it, if she is not going to auditions, she doesn't have a lot to do that does not cost money, which should be a big concern with her. I don't really think the writers can just ignore this for very long.

On a side note, Penny and Leonard working together to get the table in the apartment is a little bit of Team Hofstadter again, so as a diehard Lenny, I think this episode is a good Lenny episode.

You know what would be funny, if Penny, between auditions, started to make Penny Blossoms again, for extra money, and had some temporary success with it, until she flooded the market and decided to do something else.

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I think the situation with Penny not having a job will come up soon because think of it, if she is not going to auditions, she doesn't have a lot to do that does not cost money, which should be a big concern with her. I don't really think the writers can just ignore this for very long.

On a side note, Penny and Leonard working together to get the table in the apartment is a little bit of Team Hofstadter again, so as a diehard Lenny, I think this episode is a good Lenny episode.

You know what would be funny, if Penny, between auditions, started to make Penny Blossoms again, for extra money, and had some temporary success with it, until she flooded the market and decided to do something else.

You know, I often wondered why Penny didn't further pursue the Penny Blossoms for extra money. If she would have dropped the next day delivery that Leonard included on the website and utilized the production techniques that Sheldon instituted she could have made a nice supplemental income for herself. But alas, the writers never wanted Penny to really succeed. Hopefully they have now changed their thinking and let her experience some measure of success with her dream of acting.

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You know what would be funny, if Penny, between auditions, started to make Penny Blossoms again, for extra money, and had some temporary success with it, until she flooded the market and decided to do something else.

 

Except, this season she has forgotten how to use a glue gun. :sclerosis:

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