Spoilers Leonard And Penny Season 7 *spoiler* Discussion Thread

[Disgusted]

That shoe app was genius.

 

Sheldon; "Penny, since your Cheesecake factory employment has terminated, I notice you lack sufficient funds. Back when we worked on the shoe app, I shopped the idea around and sold the rights for a substantial sum plus royalty. Here is your share. [Presents large check] I've been keeping it in Aquaman's ass for you.

[3ku11]

I think ever since Season 4 this show has turned from a geeky, nerdy light hearted show into BattleShips: The conquer of your ship Round 1: Howardette Vs Lenny Round 1000 (Season 7 The Grand Final) Shamy Vs Lenny lol. It's best to remember although the relationships in the show have become very important and relevant in the show through the point it is in now, it is best to remember this show even now is still not a romcom. So I guess I kinda get the points people are trying to make with Shamys consuming the Season 7 Spoilers thread, or even get responses to Taping Reports "Oh that looks boring too me not enough Shamy or even Lenny". This is just my opinion I have only been anticipating Taping Reports since probably late last year, but I have never responded to taping reports, or my initial critque of something as "I need more balance with my ship!!!" I judge the overall quality of the show, the relationships in the show should always be secondary to the primary purpose of the show which is COMEDY. When it comes to the masses no one's going too say Let's watch that adorable show maybe well see Lenny holding hands again that is so compelling, or aren't Shamy so cute you just know Sheldon is going too jump her bones one day. You just don't get that kinda reaction, most people either hate they are alienating the core of Sheldon's character, and feel like they have conformed to socities conventions pairing Sheldon up with a women, even if she is his match. Or think the show has entered this relationship vortex. My response is always this, did you really think we were in Season 7 going to be watching a show about four eggheads and their hottie neighbor? Still see Leonard pining after Penny? Still see characters nearing their mid 30's reading comic books and acting like adolescents? The show was never about four geeks, it was a show about people and how they respond to every day life on the backdrop of geek culture. That's the key CULTURE, the show it self has not changed really at all, the culture has. It is more a nerded Friends now, I mean it'a audience is so vast, you are always going to get so many different kinds of people who well always prefer the show when it was geeky to it's routes, and some like me who have enjoyed the character development and progression, and have realized relationships were always going to take more precedance post season four, when the show was begginning to outgrow its initial premise, and turn into a more bolder refined show.

 

I do think though with Drama the show get's more Emmy and industry recognition, and I understand that presently it's needed, but I really want the writers to return to writing light hearted nerdy stories, I think at present the show is taking it self way too seriousley. It's like with Friends no one died in Friends, no one took drugs e.t.c. And this should be the case with the TBBT. I will say though the Shamys can be very in your face some times haha, but they shoulden't be defined by who they ship, they mean well. I also like the idea of Penny returning to making Penny Blossoms, be kinda cool to Sheldon and her go at it again with Leonard and the guys, and possibly Amy and Bernadette. Recalling back to Season 2, she did make some profit, so this may be a good way to not only get her a regular stream of income, without relying on the guys too much. But also give her some validation and self worth, which she desperately needs to bring to her relationship with Leonard. I also feel too though Penny feels she needs to proove herself to Leonard, must be hard for her she is surrounded daily by people who are a lot more succesfull then she is, sure she can't change the fact she is not a genius but still. I see Shenny mentioned a few times lol, can I just say Shamy makes the very idea of Shenny now seem riduclous, the idea that Penny bearing she saw Sheldon in that way in the first place, would wait for him for three years is a tad unrealistic. We saw in the first two seasons, Penny had very sexual relationships with certain types of guys she dated, they did it in subways, parks, restaruants e.t.c. Very immediate relationships with no thought processes involved at all,  where as with Sheldon he came across very robitic, never been phyiscially intimate with any women his entire life, I mean even remember one episode early on in Season 2 Penny asked Leonard what's Sheldon's deal, I mean if she cannot grasp the concept of Sheldon in that way what make's anyone beleive who ship them romantically, that they are compatible in that way. So really it has nothing to do with the show, I beleive people have taken their very peculiar and intimate chemistry, and the fact they have more of an honest relationship because they want nothing from each other. And over time deconstructed it to suit their personal preferences and agenda, that's the only logical explanation, ok I'm done .

Edited January 31, 2014 by 3ku11

[SRAM]

Okay here is a little complaint, in season 3 Penny said a couple times that since Leonard is her boyfriend, what interests him is important to her, but this episode she is very judgemental when he is trying to get tickets, really extremely judgemental. I say that because I have seen people do the exact same thing for sporting events and concerts. So what's up with that?

[3ku11]

Okay here is a little complaint, in season 3 Penny said a couple times that since Leonard is her boyfriend, what interests him is important to her, but this episode she is very judgemental when he is trying to get tickets, really extremely judgemental. I say that because I have seen people do the exact same thing for sporting events and concerts. So what's up with that?

I've said this before but I feel people take what Penny say's to heart and at face value, that was 4 years ago and every case is different. If she was judgemental it was a reaction to the situation, not her overall view of Leonard or their relationship, nor does it make her hypocritical. Does it make someone seem hypocritical because they said they don't like a ham sandwich, then suddenly theirs no food other then the ham sandwich and they are forced to eat the ham sandwich? Lol okay that came across better in my head, but my point remains!

[DaisyJane]

Okay here is a little complaint, in season 3 Penny said a couple times that since Leonard is her boyfriend, what interests him is important to her, but this episode she is very judgemental when he is trying to get tickets, really extremely judgemental. I say that because I have seen people do the exact same thing for sporting events and concerts. So what's up with that?

 

Maybe she was hoping he'd outgrow it just a little bit? IDK, I've been thinking for years that the show is drifting away from the nerdy stuff (ie comic con, roleplaying, etc.) because the actors are now too old to pull it off, and maybe Penny's comment reflected that. 

[hamerman55]

I have mentioned several times upthread that I would be fine if they would just leave Lenny be as they are. I'd rather see more science and less relationship drama. If they can make the relationships funny, I'm good with that too. But I don't notice the presence or lack of Lenny progress if the episode is funny. I am also seeing the value of Howard's trip to space last fall, as they had a ready-made B plot to the A Lenny plot, and the writers could ignore Shamy (which they seem to be desperate to do). It would be nice if Lenny could just enjoy being a couple, without any need for relationship upgrades, or angst. Is there a reason they should be in a hurry?

 

My comment about the Season 7 spoiler thread is mainly due to the sense I got that it would be hard to make any comment that didn't agree with the apparent rules of being a Shamy. Since I'm not entirely familiar with those (nor want to be), I said nothing. It is a shame that an open thread on this forum is this way. For example, it would be an entirely valid plot arc to have Shamy split up because of Sheldon's opposition to his changing. The character could undergo some needed growth. However suggesting that a. Shamy could even have a decent tiff; and b. that Sheldon needed to grow or change, seems to be verboten ideas. I saw one person post something to that effect, noting that Lenny had to suffer through a break up, and one would think that they had burnt a cross. I would think that it would be reasonable speculation even in the Shamy shippers' thread, and certainly in a non-Ship Zone open thread.

[Chrismo]

just an observation from tonight's episode. Was the girls bar bill split between Bernadette and Amy?

[3ku11]

just an observation from tonight's episode. Was the girls bar bill split between Bernadette and Amy?

Well probably seeing Penny's broke

[Martin Pollard]

just an observation from tonight's episode. Was the girls bar bill split between Bernadette and Amy?

 

Yes. Bernadette made reference to this with her remark that, if they were adults, they'd be splitting the check three ways, as both she and Amy were putting cash into the check folder.

[hamerman55]

Is it just me, or did tonight's episode just seem a little weird? The JEJ/Sheldon plot seemed a little odd and creepy. It is interesting that both the girls and the boys decided that their initial "kid" impulses were not really appropriate for where their lives are now. Tea parties aren't grown up, and scalping ComiCon tickets aren't worth the risk. Not so much for Sheldon. I am starting to find that the writers don't do stunt casting episodes too well. They just don't integrate well into the group. The only one that seems to work OK is Wil Wheaton. The second Prof Proton was not bad, but the first one was one of my less favorite episodes. 

 

I also don't get Penny being so snarky about trying to get ComiCon tickets. That's what everyone does for a really popular online ticket purchase. I can remember doing the same thing for my niece when she wanted to see Britney Spears back when she was first popular. Would Penny have been that way if they were trying to get Beyonce tickets?

[3ku11]

Is it just me, or did tonight's episode just seem a little weird? The JEJ/Sheldon plot seemed a little odd and creepy. It is interesting that both the girls and the boys decided that their initial "kid" impulses were not really appropriate for where their lives are now. Tea parties aren't grown up, and scalping ComiCon tickets aren't worth the risk. Not so much for Sheldon. I am starting to find that the writers don't do stunt casting episodes too well. They just don't integrate well into the group. The only one that seems to work OK is Wil Wheaton. The second Prof Proton was not bad, but the first one was one of my less favorite episodes. 

 

I also don't get Penny being so snarky about trying to get ComiCon tickets. That's what everyone does for a really popular online ticket purchase. I can remember doing the same thing for my niece when she wanted to see Britney Spears back when she was first popular. Would Penny have been that way if they were trying to get Beyonce tickets?

I think her main gripe was how expensive they were, maybe she was jealous that they can afford such a expensive tickets considering her current financial state. Maybe she also feels Leonard needs to outgrow that kinda stuff, now he is getting older, but its a part of who he is. But I did like seeing Penny being snarky, it reminded of almost Season One when Penny would walk into their apartment and they would be doing something geeky and her response would be funny and awesome.

[hamerman55]

I think her main gripe was how expensive they were, maybe she was jealous that they can afford such a expensive tickets considering her current financial state. Maybe she also feels Leonard needs to outgrow that kinda stuff, now he is getting older, but its a part of who he is. But I did like seeing Penny being snarky, it reminded of almost Season One when Penny would walk into their apartment and they would be doing something geeky and her response would be funny and awesome.

Good point. However, one of the girls did point out that Penny spent as much on a little dress as Leonard was planning to spend on ComiCon tickets, so it may be she doesn't see the value of the event. The money doesn't seem to be completely the problem.

I agree it was good to see her snarking about the guys doing something geeky. It could easily been a scene out of Season One or Two. This proves the writers could summon the spirit of the earlier seasons when necessary. They should do more of this.

[3ku11]

Good point. However, one of the girls did point out that Penny spent as much on a little dress as Leonard was planning to spend on ComiCon tickets, so it may be she doesn't see the value of the event. The money doesn't seem to be completely the problem.

I agree it was good to see her snarking about the guys doing something geeky. It could easily been a scene out of Season One or Two. This proves the writers could summon the spirit of the earlier seasons when necessary. They should do more of this.

Yeah I would also like too see more of that too, but their's also a case for orginality, if youv'e seen the same thing a 100 times it cannot really last for ever, so if it's been done it is hard to make it different and impact with the same uniqueness the 100th time around. 

Edited January 31, 2014 by 3ku11

[eirwinrommel]

Off topic, I thought seeing Carrie Fisher was just sad. In the same way seeing Groucho in his last few years was sad.

[3ku11]

Off topic, I thought seeing Carrie Fisher was just sad. In the same way seeing Groucho in his last few years was sad.

Well Star Wars was in the 70's so time does that, still remember that famous Princess Leia scene. 

[Martin Pollard]

Off topic, I thought seeing Carrie Fisher was just sad. In the same way seeing Groucho in his last few years was sad.

 

Unfortunately, I have to agree with you. Time has not been as kind to her as it has to others.

[hamerman55]

It was sad, but good they were willing to include her anyway.

[Disgusted]

 

 Unfortunately there's nothing we can do, short of being as obnoxious as they are.

 

I actually had some PM's with one of them, to try and find common ground, and they started lying about what was said there, in open forum. That's the only person I've ever blocked. Don't bother asking who it is.

 

I make my point and move on. Maybe one clarfication.  Let them have the last word. If your point is valid, the last word is usually sputtering indignation or a personal attack.

 

Win!

[SRAM]

Good point. However, one of the girls did point out that Penny spent as much on a little dress as Leonard was planning to spend on ComiCon tickets, so it may be she doesn't see the value of the event. The money doesn't seem to be completely the problem.

I agree it was good to see her snarking about the guys doing something geeky. It could easily been a scene out of Season One or Two. This proves the writers could summon the spirit of the earlier seasons when necessary. They should do more of this.

But the guys have always been that way, this is their hobby, like my motorcycles, I have 3 of them and who needs 3 of them (me)? Penny laughing so hard at some old man who has fallen, and probably hurt himself, shows true immaturity.

[DaisyJane]

But the guys have always been that way, this is their hobby, like my motorcycles, I have 3 of them and who needs 3 of them (me)? Penny laughing so hard at some old man who has fallen, and probably hurt himself, shows true immaturity.

It goes way beyond a hobby, they were on the verge of tears when they didn't get the tickets. While endearing in S1, I don't blame Penny ir Bernadette for hoping they'd outgrow it.

I didn't like the way Penny was written in this episode either, and I hated the bit about the old man falling. This episode reeked too heavily of Chuck Lorre.

[SRAM]

It goes way beyond a hobby, they were on the verge of tears when they didn't get the tickets. While endearing in S1, I don't blame Penny ir Bernadette for hoping they'd outgrow it.

I didn't like the way Penny was written in this episode either, and I hated the bit about the old man falling. This episode reeked too heavily of Chuck Lorre.

I was really hoping that this episode was suppose to be an understanding episode, the girls getting a better understanding of the guys, sort of like the comic book episode.

I am also getting a little sick on how they are making Penny more like Katie. The story of the old man falling, her not paying for anything but she can buy underwater instead of washing hers and the joke about if sex was about maturity Penny would be old.

[Disgusted]

I think it was bangermain who said a while ago that Penny is the "guy" of the relationship, and Leonard is the "girl"". If you can imagine the girls scene as 3 guys at a bar bitching about their GF's, it makes twisted sense. 

 

Leonard is the one who usually does/instigates the relationship heavy lifting.

 

Penny is portrayed as the typical "jock", if you know the type, the Al Bundy or Sam Malone of TBBT, someone who was popular in school/past, but that was the pinnacle. Now she's trying to deal. The history of sitcoms is not on her side.

Edited January 31, 2014 by Disgusted

[Tripper]

Just a reminder this thread is a Ship Zone for Leonard and Penny shippers. The discussion should be focused around Leonard & Penny and the ship, not about other ships on the forum.

[Disgusted]

[SRAM]

I think it was bangermain who said a while ago that Penny is the "guy" of the relationship, and Leonard is the "girl"". If you can imagine the girls scene as 3 guys at a bar bitching about their GF's, it makes twisted sense. 

 

Leonard is the one who usually does/instigates the relationship heavy lifting.

 

Penny is portrayed as the typical "jock", if you know the type, the Al Bundy or Sam Malone of TBBT, someone who was popular in school/past, but that was the pinnacle. Now she's trying to deal. The history of sitcoms is not on her side.

Yeah there is a lot to support that. In 6.01 she even asked him to let her be the girl for a change. So I guess if I do look at this episode, with that premise it does make more sense. I just thought after season 6, Leonard would wear the pants in the relationship more.