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Yes, I believe it was Molaro who made a comment about the proposal score being 2 to 1 in an interview a week or two ago.

Thank you. I hadn't heard that. It is interesting that Molaro doesn't count the notional "lot" of proposals Leonard supposedly made off screen. We've only seen two. Will Penny's second be the charm?

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Thank you. I hadn't heard that. It is interesting that Molaro doesn't count the notional "lot" of proposals Leonard supposedly made off screen. We've only seen two. Will Penny's second be the charm?

 

I never bought into the "Leonard proposal a lot" line.  Felt it was all for laughs.

 

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Watched S5E23 with the in the middle of sex proposal and Leonard said he took it back and Penny said there are no backies, yet Penny did the very same thing with her proposal in S7E12.  lol 

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Leonard only techniquleu proposed twice once in the S5 finalie and a subtle one in the vd ep last season. I think eveeyone from the begginning this perfect image of Lenny proposing, I kno I have imagined rose petals this elobarate proposal. So I think everyone has very highexpectations, but tens right a botched proposal cld be accepted, so maybe ppl shld lower their expectations.

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I never bought into the "Leonard proposal a lot" line.  Felt it was all for laughs.

 

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Watched S5E23 with the in the middle of sex proposal and Leonard said he took it back and Penny said there are no backies, yet Penny did the very same thing with her proposal in S7E12.  lol

Backsies are allowed if you been drinking. They're not allowed if you've only been inhaling gas. You have to look at the fine print in the rules.

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So, that's how it works. lol

Of course, otherwise how could Penny take it back? The only other way would be if the writers were inconsistent, and we know that would never happen.

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Yes, I believe it was Molaro who made a comment about the proposal score being 2 to 1 in an interview a week or two ago.

The whole idea of the writers keeping score does not sound favorable for Lenny. Rejected marriage proposals tend to be a little traumatic to the person making them, so when do the proposals become unbelieveable anymore and nothing more than the joke the writers have completely wore out.

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The whole idea of the writers keeping score does not sound favorable for Lenny. Rejected marriage proposals tend to be a little traumatic to the person making them, so when do the proposals become unbelieveable anymore and nothing more than the joke the writers have completely wore out.

Exactly! Thank you SRAM, that has been the point I have been trying to get across ever since Molaro stated the scorecard comment in the interview.

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Leonard only techniquleu proposed twice once in the S5 finalie and a subtle one in the vd ep last season. I think eveeyone from the begginning this perfect image of Lenny proposing, I kno I have imagined rose petals this elobarate proposal. So I think everyone has very highexpectations, but tens right a botched proposal cld be accepted, so maybe ppl shld lower their expectations.

Everyone who ships their particular couple has high expectations for them. That is only natural. The ILY from Penny was spur of the moment and not some big production but it was still very meaningful and well done. But if you take something as important as a marriage proposal from the main couple and turn their failed proposals into a game (and if they are keeping a scorecard they have made it into a game) it would get to the point of who gives a rats ass anymore. What do you think by them having one failed proposal upon another it will pique the audience's interest. So they tune in to see how are they going to screw up the next proposal? There is no doubt they have put them in a holding pattern. But there a plenty of other ways then to make a mockery of two people getting engaged. Even on a sitcom IMHO.

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Everyone who ships their particular couple has high expectations for them. That is only natural. The ILY from Penny was spur of the moment and not some big production but it was still very meaningful and well done. But if you take something as important as a marriage proposal from the main couple and turn their failed proposals into a game (and if they are keeping a scorecard they have made it into a game) it would get to the point of who gives a rats ass anymore. What do you think by them having one failed proposal upon another it will pique the audience's interest. So they tune in to see how are they going to screw up the next proposal? There is no doubt they have put them in a holding pattern. But there a plenty of other ways then to make a mockery of two people getting engaged. Even on a sitcom IMHO.

I like your use of the word 'Mockery', because I feel that word, or some subset of that word, discribes the way the writers have handled the Lenny relationship in season 7. I don't see where they are even in the same place, in this season, when you compare them to where they were in Season 6. We had an almost breakup in the beginning of season 6 and now we have had an almost breakup in the middle of season 7, which the writers made us sweat over a whole week to increase our pain. If we didn't have spoilers we would have gone crazy that week, much more than we did. The friction between those two has also been ramped up, with things like Penny's marriage and her quiting TCF, so how is that them being in a good place. I like the show, but I am disappointed in season 7 Lenny, my only hope is that there will be some change before the season end.

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Kaley Cuoco says she does not think that Leonard and Penny will move in together. Shocking.

 

I don't think any Leonard and Penny fans are surprised about L/P not moving in together.  

 

What bothers me is this part.   Leonard will never be allowed to move to the next stage of life as he is stuck with Sheldon for the rest of his life. Sheldon can have a life outside of Leonard with Amy but Leonard isn't allowed the same with Penny. This is the reason I didn't like Sheldon interrupting Leonard and Penny with where are we are going to live crap.  

 

As I stated before it's the modern day version of Three's Company which I can't stand.

 

 

As for whether Penny and Leonard will ever take the next logical step and move in together, Cuoco has a decidedly  firm answer. "No; they live next door and they basically [already] live together, but I think they will always live with Sheldon, so they better get used to it," she says before breaking into the Three's Company theme song. "It's like, 'Come and knock on our door!'  It's the three of them, always."

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Kaley Cuoco says she does not think that Leonard and Penny will move in together. Shocking.

God, I hope this is her opinion and not from any insider information, because if it is, this will be what destroys the show. Couples going nowhere is boring and Sheldon isn't as funny as he use to be.

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Before everyone goes all negative:

 

"The writers know how dear it is to my heart that they have to end up together," Cuoco says. "Their relationship is good right now. I love how they've written it -- very up and down -- like a real relationship. You go through things, it's not perfect -- life isn't a TV show and stuff happens. But right now, they have a good rapport."

 

You may all return to wailing, gnashing your teeth, and bashing Molaro, Prady, and Lorre.  

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I like your use of the word 'Mockery', because I feel that word, or some subset of that word, discribes the way the writers have handled the Lenny relationship in season 7. I don't see where they are even in the same place, in this season, when you compare them to where they were in Season 6. We had an almost breakup in the beginning of season 6 and now we have had an almost breakup in the middle of season 7, which the writers made us sweat over a whole week to increase our pain. If we didn't have spoilers we would have gone crazy that week, much more than we did. The friction between those two has also been ramped up, with things like Penny's marriage and her quiting TCF, so how is that them being in a good place. I like the show, but I am disappointed in season 7 Lenny, my only hope is that there will be some change before the season end.

My sense of the two part CSI episode was that the only person only Leonard and Sheldon thought there was any doubt about the Lenny relationship. That Penny would stomp out after Leonard hesitated made perfect sense. The fact that she didn't even take him to task about it later is a sign that breaking up is NOT on her mind. Quite the opposite, as asking Leonard to marry her was on her mind as a good thing in her life. That she reconsidered on reflection is mostly about timing, and the nature of the proposal. But I view it as sort of like the ILY, in that she blurted out what she takes as a given. Of course she loves him, and of course she wants to get married at some point. We're just sorting out the details and timing.

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I don't think any Leonard and Penny fans are surprised about L/P not moving in together.  

 

What bothers me is this part.   Leonard will never be allowed to move to the next stage of life as he is stuck with Sheldon for the rest of his life. Sheldon can have a life outside of Leonard with Amy but Leonard isn't allowed the same with Penny. This is the reason I didn't like Sheldon interrupting Leonard and Penny with where are we are going to live crap.

I think you take things too seriously. I think more what Kaley meant was nothing is changing till Lenny gets married. As you said that's not really shocking to Lenny fans. I'm not sure what you mean by Leonard not being able to move on to his next stage of life without Sheldon but Sheldon has a life outside of Leonard with Amy. Tonight's episode kind of goes against that theory. The three of them are going to be in that building till the show ends. As the years gone by S/L's apartment has become less and less the center of the show than it used to be. I think the scenes of L/P/S bother the viewer more than the characters themselves. I think Sheldon's where we are going to live is more of a joke in fact making him look bad. I think Kaley's Three's Company line was more of a joke than anything else.
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God, I hope this is her opinion and not from any insider information, because if it is, this will be what destroys the show. Couples going nowhere is boring and Sheldon isn't as funny as he use to be.

I'm not sure how this would destroy the show. If this real life I get your point. There really is no difference if Leonard lives with Sheldon or Penny unless CBS wants Leonard to live with Penny to make it pay per view. LOL. As I said above none of the three are moving out of the building and the show has gotten away somewhat from S/L's apartment. I think the show will gradually go into other directions with less focus on their relationships until TPTB have to focus on that and then it will be addressed.

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Kaley said it all when she said "come on Penny and Leonard it's been six years!". Enough all ready it's no longer funny. Nor will the continued botched proposals. But that's just my opinion. They'll do whatever they want so I'm not going to waist my time over it.

As for them living together, I never thought that would come to pass. They now live in a three bedroom, two bath apartment as it is. Why would they change that? Also, since Penny has commitment issues, she still has her independence when she feel like it.

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Kaley is an admitted Lenny and Shamy shipper, so if she thinks they should get married, I think it is a very good indication that this stalling has been going on too long, with them.  Remember they have been going together for almost two years on the show now and it has been over a year since the first ILY.  Not to mention they have been some what involved in some way for six years.  Even when Priya was dating Leonard, Penny and him still hung around, except for a couple of episodes.  Anyway this is all IMHO.

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Kaley is an admitted Lenny and Shamy shipper, so if she thinks they should get married, I think it is a very good indication that this stalling has been going on too long, with them.  Remember they have been going together for almost two years on the show now and it has been over a year since the first ILY.  Not to mention they have been some what involved in some way for six years.  Even when Priya was dating Leonard, Penny and him still hung around, except for a couple of episodes.  Anyway this is all IMHO.

In episode 6.03 Penny tells Alex that her and Leonard: "We’ve kind of been involved in a five-year experiment." So even Penny considers it's been over 6 years now. Their in a extended holding pattern, I just hope the plane isn't starting to run out of gas. IMHO.

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Look I think your taking what Penny says too much at face value. Re her comment about being in a six year holding pattern, its called having a sense of humor. Kaleys allowed an opinion this does not mean the show or Lenny is doomed, if they don't move in together or be engaged by next week. The writers from what I can tell and basically what Kaley meant, are trying to make it as realistic as possible. Besides what this whole botched proposals are doing IMO are showing how solid they are. They have been back together almost three years, it has been almost a year since the ily, their maybe a case for some form of stalling. But how long did the ily take? Six years or so, the writing in the show has never been the type of show to have weekly massive changes and cliffhangers. Its been more like real life, slow and meticulous. I do understand the frustrations I do, but considering their vast audience, and the fact they write for seven characters a week in a 22 min show, they can only progress so much with slow methodical changes. They cannot possibly cater to everyone's personal desires, in the 22 mins they have. But I do agree their needs to be changes soon, I don't agree tho that their was an almost breakup this season, Penny after the drunk proposal never mentioned anything about breaking up, Leonard was the one who was freaking out, Penny was actually the calm reassured one, which was a change.

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Lenny weren't too bad this episode, maybe somewhat cute the way they were acting, they seemed to be just jesting with each other all night, just giving each other looks, but not getting mad at all. The only thing that I didn't like was Leonard having to explain he was kidding in the beginning, it just didn't seem to go with the rest of the episode, and there was a strong inference that Penny drinks too much again. I wonder where the writers are going with that, something serious, or is just a reoccurring quick joke.

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