Spoilers Leonard And Penny Season 7 *spoiler* Discussion Thread

[Zhalen565]

Okay, now that I've seen the actual dialog I retract my original analysis. We know that she went out with 17 guys during S1 and S2, again we have to assume that the .18 came from somewhere so if we take 17 times .18 we only get 3. If we assume that doesn't include Kurt or Leonard and that she was only with Kurt between moving to California and arriving at 4B then you get a total of 5 men she slept with since arriving in California (6 if you count Raj).

 

Also Sheldon really screwed up his math, badly.

He certainly did , also You can account for Kurt in the numbers (The financial permeability) and also Zack as it includes season 3 too. His numbers definitely lied.

[3ku11]

The actual dialog was:

 

Sheldon: Your characterization of approximately 171 different men as a few.

Penny: What? Where did you get 171 men?

Sheldon: Simple extrapolation. In the three years that I’ve known you, you were single for two. During that time, I saw 17 different suitors. If we work backwards, correcting for observation bias and postulate an initial dating age of 15…

Penny: Whoa, wait, wait, wait. I did not start dating at 15.

Sheldon: I’m sorry. 16?

Penny: 14.

Sheldon: My mistake. Now, assuming the left side of a bell curve peaking around the present, that would bring the total up to 193 men. Plus or minus eight men.

Amy: Remarkable. Did you have sexual intercourse with all of these men?

Penny: No.

Sheldon: Although that number would be fairly easy to calculate.

Penny: Oh.

Sheldon: Based on the number of awkward encounters I’ve had with strange men leaving her apartment in the morning, plus the number of times she’s returned home wearing the same clothes she wore the night before…

Penny: Okay, Sheldon, I think you’ve made your point.

Sheldon: So we multiply 193, minus 21 men before the loss of virginity, so 172 times 0.18 gives us 30.96 sexual partners. Let’s round that up to 31.

 

Now I disagree with that number because as Tensor said: 'Sheldon didn't account for the four years of Kurt either. Starting at fourteen, going to 24, with five years out. The two year sample set isn't a representative of her full dating sample, there simply isn't a bell curve, as Sheldon assumes. Less men dated, less men slept with, as his estimate of the number she slept with is based on total men dated.'

 

On the other hand Season 2 episode 3

 

Sheldon: You’re welcome. Anyhow, on a scale of 1 to 5, with 1 being always initiated by him, and 5 being always initiated by you, how do you prefer your sexual encounters to begin?

Penny: That’s on the registration?

Sheldon: Oh yes, it’s quite extensive. But if we complete it, we get a free expansion pack, 75 additional quests.

Penny: Ooh, awesome, okay, I totally like to initiate I’m a big old five.

Sheldon: Good to know. Big old five.

 

So who knows Sheldon may be right.

Does it matter what Penny did in her love life is no ones business, and besides I don't think Sheldon knows anything when it comes to that side of things, he is not exactly socially equipped.

[Occam's Chainsaw]

Sheldon's statement is only important in this discussion insomuch as it is based on concrete observations he has made while Penny has been living across the hall. While Sheldon may not know much about romance or relationships he does know about observing things. As for Penny's romantic history, no it doesn't really matter all that much.

[3ku11]

If so, she could not be more perfect for Leonard who, let us not forget, is a prostitute (he slept with Mrs Latham in exchange for a donation). The slut and the ho, living happily ever after... A 21st-century fairytale, how moving !

I swear people who come here and accuse Penny of being a slut even watch the show, yeah sure in S1 so what? Last time I checked it wasen't illegal to have a love life in America or anywhere for that matter, yes she had an active sex life with a certain type of guy, but you have too at her upbringing, history, and most likely her relationship with her father for the reason of her choices in guys. The same way Leonard is prob attracted to Penny because she is the complete opposite of his mother, who showed no love and approval his entire life. And can people give Penny a break S4 finalie in the end was nothing, she diddn't seek out to sleep with Raj, she diddn't even intend on talking to him, but I guess you could see it happening even a few eps before the finalie, Penny or messed up over Leonard and Pria, Raj all lonely. Then when Sheldon left and they were drinking, it was pretty clear the writers put them in that position, guess Lorre felt it would be a shock not only to the viewers but the characters, it was probably a result of a bad year for Penny. The fact Raj remembers more or has more of a recolletion then Penny doesen't say much about Raj, but Penny was emotional not in a rational state of mind, she obviousley drank way too much, Raj and Penny prob started to relate to each other through their distain of the Leonard and Pria relationship, one thing led to another. But I don't think this is a reflection of Raj as a friend or Penny for that matter, Penny was single at that point so was Raj, not that this excuses anything because it doesen't, but Penny intentions weren't bad in anyway. She was obviousley not in a lupid state of mind, I woulden't be surprised if Penny diddn't have any physical awareness, of even realized it was Raj. As when she woke up in the morning she smiled because she was in Leonard's bed, until she reacted an realized it wasen't Leonard and it was Raj haha, the fact she was shocked tells you how drunk she really was and had no recollection of what happened. Raj revealed their was attempt to go all the way but they diddnt have sex in a traditional manner, meaning they diddnt have sex I mean almost but thats not the point. Penny felt horrible in the morning and so embarrased, besides her and Raj in the first ep of S5 settled it and moved on Penny explained that she drank way too much, it was kinda funny in the end. An ep I think in S5 Raj said something like It's great you two are back together seeing me and Penny did the naked dance, remember Leonard was like "Okay" and Penny was like "Enough" Penny wasen't happy, Raj was drinking again tho but it was innapropriate. I'll say if this has any impact on future seasons, I think ever since the VD ep Lenny have trust and compromise in their relationship, Raj is the one I'll say their may sort of mistrust their, but everyone is on such good terms now, its 2 seasons ago status quo has resumed ever since.

[Nogravitasatall]

I swear people who come here and accuse Penny of being a slut...

I don't get it either. Wait till the season resumes and some old favourites return to play this game. Irony and sarcasm, as deployed by Chiara against these contentions are fun, because delivering sincerity and passion will wear you out.

Value judgments aside, the interesting question will be how the show can continue to play with the relationship. As Chiara noted a few pages ago, why does Leonard love this women? He should be past the stage of being in thrall to her bodacious secondary sexual characteristics. They have arrived at a destination, now they need to get out and walk around and take in the view. Lets see more of the interplay. Penny at the work function, Leonard rollerblading, Penny off to Switzerland, Leonard and Penny in Texas, helping solve Sheldon's problems.

[3ku11]

I don't get it either. Wait till the season resumes and some old favourites return to play this game. Irony and sarcasm, as deployed by Chiara against these contentions are fun, because delivering sincerity and passion will wear you out.

Value judgments aside, the interesting question will be how the show can continue to play with the relationship. As Chiara noted a few pages ago, why does Leonard love this women? He should be past the stage of being in thrall to her bodacious secondary sexual characteristics. They have arrived at a destination, now they need to get out and walk around and take in the view. Lets see more of the interplay. Penny at the work function, Leonard rollerblading, Penny off to Switzerland, Leonard and Penny in Texas, helping solve Sheldon's problems.

I think people who dont watch the show reguarly, can get the perception that Penny comes across as a slut, but the loveable slut has been the forefront as a archetypical character in sitcoms for years. Besides Penny was active with the guys she was with in those relationships, like in S1 when the guy she was dating blogged about their sex life, Howard coulden't find it haha they did it on park benches, at subways e.t.c. But that's the whole point that people miss of the character of Penny, she is the girl next door who went for these guys as deep down she felt she wasen't good enough or worthy of been treating like the Queen Leonard saw her as. I remember the scene which started Lenny was the finalie of S1, Penny was saying for once I would like to go out with a guy who was nice and treated me nice or something cannot remember exactly I was 18 at the time haha. And Leonard was like what about me? That scene epotimised why she went out with a certain type of guy, and why Leonard was the perfect guy for her, the guy who saw her like a Queen but opposed to the other loosers she dated actually treated her like one. So it doesen't bother me Penny and Raj, I mean Penny could of slept with Sheldon for all she knew she diddn't even realize it was Raj in bed with her, the writers could of made her go to a bar pick up some random guy, the point was Penny was messed up, sad and off her face so to speak lol. But I think at that point Raj was in the same place Penny was, so as messed up as it was, it was kinda a wake up call for Penny. Kinda like in Friends when Janice told Ross your annoying me, Ross was like "Your telling me I have become so annoying, I annoy you?" lol same kinda deal.

Edited September 1, 2013 by 3ku11

[terriblewaitress]

Okay I just read through all this and whoa. I know Penny is just a character but calling her a drunken slut and stuff? That's not cool. Who cares how many people she's slept with, or hasn't slept with? I don't like that she done it but there wasn't anything wrong in her sleeping with Raj, considering they were both single. Just like Leonard sleeping with Priya before they started their relationship. They were both single. In both cases either Leonard or Penny was hurt, it's the same circle of people, but none of it was intentional to hurt the other. I'm sure if Leonard was that incredibly bothered by it he'd confront Penny about it, but I'm sure he's smart enough to realise Penny and Raj didn't actually do anything wrong (aside from sleeping with the ex's friend/vice versa being real uncool but that's not a law now is it) 

[Fruit Loop]

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Penny told the Girls the best time to break bad news was in Bed. That how she told her Boy Friend she was sleeping with his brother. She told his brother the same thing in bed. Sleeping around isn't new to Penny.

In the Original Premise of the Show Penny was to be even more earthy. Originally, Kaley was turned down for the part.

FYI I don't fit the general demographics of the average viewer. I am a senior Citizen who grew up in the 1940/1950s. Therefore My more Up Tight up bring is from a different era than most reading here. BTW I like to stir the pot every now and then.

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[rickfromillinois]

Yeah, you want to clarify for me exactly who all those guys she slept with? I seem to remember Kurt, and Mike and Zack and Leonard. She was kissing on Eric, until Leonard stopped kissing Leslie, then she stopped, said goodnight and went into her appartment alone. Two dates with Stuart, no sex.

So from the beginning of the show (and actually since she moved to southern California), she's had sex with three guys besides Leonard, with a possibility of a fourth, if she found someone the night of the snowflake.

Leonard's had sex with Leslie, Stephanie, Penny, Pryia, Mrs Latham, and possibly Joy, Bernadette's date for Leonard. Leonard has had sex with four women besides Penny, and possibly a fifth, sixth (Joyce Kim). So, what exactly makes Penny such a slut and not Leonard?

I suggest that you revisit the episode where Penny went on the first date between Sheldon and Amy, during which Sheldon explain his calculations on how many men Penny had slept with, I believe that the number was in the high 30's, and it was obvious from her facial expression that Sheldon was pretty close to being right if not on the money.   I am not criticizing Penny per se, but Amy did call her a skank when she heard the number.   Then there was the episode where the ladies were going out and Penny said the they would have to go a long way to find a bar where no on there hadn't seen her naked.   It is fairly obvious that Penny has had a great many more partners then Leonard.  

[Tensor]

I have revisited it, several times. Sheldon's number is just flat out wrong. An individuals dating history is not a normal distribution. Without a normal distribution, there cannot be a bell curve. Sheldon assumes a bell curve. Hence, his analysis is wrong. A normal distribution is a smooth function, dating history isn't a smooth function(unless you are dating someone different every week, which we know Penny didn't.) as there are starts, stops, times when there is no one, etc. The number simply can't be computed as Sheldon tried to do. What could be known, is what Sheldon specifically observed in terms of men leaving and Penny returning, but that bit of information isn't given.

[rickfromillinois]

Okay I just read through all this and whoa. I know Penny is just a character but calling her a drunken slut and stuff? That's not cool. Who cares how many people she's slept with, or hasn't slept with? I don't like that she done it but there wasn't anything wrong in her sleeping with Raj, considering they were both single. Just like Leonard sleeping with Priya before they started their relationship. They were both single. In both cases either Leonard or Penny was hurt, it's the same circle of people, but none of it was intentional to hurt the other. I'm sure if Leonard was that incredibly bothered by it he'd confront Penny about it, but I'm sure he's smart enough to realise Penny and Raj didn't actually do anything wrong (aside from sleeping with the ex's friend/vice versa being real uncool but that's not a law now is it) 

From various statements that Penny has made and from some of her actions, Penny has acted like a "drunken slut" in the past.   Who cares?  I think that foremost, SHE WOULD.   Getting drunk and sleeping with a unkown person is not only stupid but dangerous.  If this was a real person I would think that everytime they had some kind of blood work done they would be a little aprehensive that it might come back positive for some type of STD, not to mention that if you go out somewhere and someone who looks somewhat familiar keeps staring at you, you would wonder if you had gotten drunk and slept with them.  As for Leonard thinking that Raj and Penny sleeping together not meaning anything, anyone who believes that is extremely naive about interpersnal relationships.  In real life that will always be a sore spot between Leonard, Penny, and Raj.   It may not be a major issue, but it will always be there.   If upon returning from the North Sea Leonard found out that Penny and Raj had spent some time alone at his or her apartment, you can be sure that it would be a very big deal.  It's called human nature.

 

I have revisited it, several times. Sheldon's number is just flat out wrong. An individuals dating history is not a normal distribution. Without a normal distribution, there cannot be a bell curve. Sheldon assumes a bell curve. Hence, his analysis is wrong. A normal distribution is a smooth function, dating history isn't a smooth function(unless you are dating someone different every week, which we know Penny didn't.) as there are starts, stops, times when there is no one, etc. The number simply can't be computed as Sheldon tried to do. What could be known, is what Sheldon specifically observed in terms of men leaving and Penny returning, but that bit of information isn't given.

Perhaps you believe his math was wrong, but it is very apparent from the look on Penny's face that he was correct in the number that he came up with.

[Tensor]

FYI I don't fit the general demographics of the average viewer. I am a senior Citizen who grew up in the 1940/1950s. Therefore My more Up Tight up bring is from a different era than most reading here. BTW I like to stir the pot every now and then..

I turned 13 in 1968. So my early years were more uptight, but my teen years were late 60s early 70s and that left its own imprint. But I now understand your slut comment, don't agree with it, but I understand it .

I don't believe anything, it's easy to show the math is wrong. There is not a bell curve involved, this means Sheldon's main assumption isn't valid, if his assumption isn't valid, the number isn't valid.

[rickfromillinois]

I turned 13 in 1968. So my early years were more uptight, but my teen years were late 60s early 70s and that left its own imprint. But I now understand your slut comment, don't agree with it, but I understand it .

I don't believe anything, it's easy to show the math is wrong. There is not a bell curve involved, this means Sheldon's main assumption isn't valid, if his assumption isn't valid, the number isn't valid.

Once again, Penny's facial expression shows that regardless of how he arrived at the number, it was correct.

[Tensor]

Not necessarily, it's more of a puzzled expression, as if she's wondering if he is right and trying to add everything up.

[Kasey]

Wasn't it just a reaction to the number Sheldon said.  I know I'm older than Penny but I couldn't possibly come up with the number of men I've dated and/or slept with quickly.  I mean not that it's a lot just that it would take a bit of time.

[Zhalen565]

Wasn't it just a reaction to the number Sheldon said.  I know I'm older than Penny but I couldn't possibly come up with the number of men I've dated and/or slept with quickly.  I mean not that it's a lot just that it would take a bit of time.

The look to me is one of puzzlement and shock that he would come out with it and just for accuracy. The quote is "30.96 sexual partners, let's round that up to 31"

[Chiara]

I do believe it was sarcasm.

I was indeed being facetious. However, there was a certain amount of sincerity in the joke. Either one uses derogatory terms to evaluate people's sex lives or one does not. It is an all-or-nothing sort of business; the moral judgment cannot be switched on and off, depending on who is being looked at. 

 

If Penny is a "slut", then Leonard is a "ho". If Leonard is not a "ho", then Penny is not a "slut". Consistency is everything. 

 

I, for one, simply cannot muster the energy to care about what consenting adults, either real of fictional, do with other consenting adults, no matter how many of them are involved. Maybe there is some cultural dimension to that : I think my people tried to give a flying toss about that sort of things once, then one of us got a headache and we stopped altogether.  

On a related note, we gave the world lingerie, sex during the day and the tongue*. As Sheldon would say : "you're welcome, mankind". 

 

*Summary of the French's contribution to humanity courtesy of Mr. Bill Maher. 

 

I have been reading here about  WHY does Leonard LOVE Penny .... why can he forgive her for all her mistakes  ... JUST BECAUSE  .... Because when he's with her he's HAPPY, SHE makes HIM HAPPY ... WHY is anyone IN LOVE  is there a reason ???? should there be a reason ???

 

Leonard looks at Penny and wants to be with her,  JUST her no one else.  the S5-13  When Leonard looks at Penny in her apartment talking to the girls he sees the woman he LOVEs and no one else ... no warts NOTHING .... He knows about her warts but looks past them and that's it .....

You are absolutely right. But this is precisely why I would love to see Leonard try to make sense of it. 

 

Leonard is a scientist; his entire life is devoted to looking at things and wondering how they came to be and why they are as they are. He is not someone who simply observes and accepts reality; he drags reality into his lab and tears it open until it tells him what he wants to hear. Above all, he is used to things making sense. 

Yet here he is. Completely in love with a woman who, on paper at least, should be the last person in the universe with whom he could hope to have a successful relationship (and vice versa). And she loves him. And their couple works. It is the emotional equivalent to an object falling upwards ! 

 

I for one would be delighted to see Leonard struggle with this oddity. Not just because it would make sense considering his background but also because it would be a great opportunity for the writers to come up with their own version of a famous trope : the love explanation (different from the love declaration). In most films/shows, TPTB pull a "I love you and your flaws" (e.g. When Harry met Sally : "I love that it takes you an hour and a half to order a sandwich, etc."); in others, the writers prefer the "I love you and I don't care about your flaws" school of thought (e.g. Some Like it Hot : "Nobody's perfect").

 

Which option would TBBT writers go for ? Which would be more in tune with Leonard's analytical tendencies ? And, above all, would Leonard, the man who understands the holographic principle and can make it sound like a poem, the guy who works with/for Hawking on determining why and how the universe came to be, admit that he may very well never know exactely why he fell in love with the woman across the hall ? Could his marvelous intellect be defeated by a cheesecake-scented goddess with a 'tude and an inability to cook pasta ? 

 

I think there would be great potential for such a scene.

Edited September 1, 2013 by Chiara

[I.Am.Molly]

 If this was a real person I would think that everytime they had some kind of blood work done they would be a little aprehensive that it might come back positive for some type of STD,

 

 

This is a bit much. Just because Penny has, by her own admission, dated or slept with her fair share of men, doesn't mean she wasnt cautious when doing it. Hell, even in her drunken state with Raj she was still putting a condom on! Sadly i know people that wouldnt be so careful!

 

I genuinely hate when people start calling Penny a slut. Shes not a slut. Maybe she has acted a little slutty in the past and im not saying all the decisions she has ever made have been good ones, but shes not the slut a lot of you here are making her out to be. If you take away all of the throw away comments the writers put in for laughs and just look at what is actually shown on screen, you see that Penny has been seen dating less people than Leonard. I dont even recall a scene in which she is seen kissing another man besides Leonard, if she really was this slut that you all seem to think she was, and if the writers had really wanted you to believe she was that bad, then we would have seen all these guys she dated, but we didn't. All the comments of Penny being or acting slutty have been silly one liners, things thrown in to get a laugh and probably to show just how different her life had been in contrast to the rest of the guys and girls. I dont think we can really take all of those comments literally, it just wouldnt add up.

 

I judge the characters more off of what i see of them in the show, how they are in the majority of episodes, and the way penny is shown in the vast majority, she is not a slut, an alcoholic or a bitch. Shes kind, sweet, funny and cares about her friends. It really surprises me that she is always brought up in this forum and made out to be the bad person in the relationship. I know shes not perfect, none of the characters are, but to have a Lenny thread where one of the members of the pairing is constantly brought out and called this and that is just insane and unfair. I've been in the Shamy thread plenty of times and not once have i ever seen those guys get into a heated debate about how horrible one of those characters are. They love them both and sadly i just dont feel like that is the way in here most of the time. This thread constantly focuses on the negatives and while i dont want this to become some sort of fairy land with glitters and sparkles where everything is just wonderful, i would like there to be a little less Penny hate. Its really starting to get tiring constantly coming on here and feeling the need to jump to her defense, especially in a thread that is supposed to support her and Leonard. Not just Leonard.

You are absolutely right. But this is precisely why I would love to see Leonard try to make sense of it. 

 

Leonard is a scientist; his entire life is devoted to looking at things and wondering how they came to be and why they are as they are. He is not someone who simply observes and accepts reality; he drags reality into his lab and tears it open until it tells him what he wants to hear. Above all, he is used to things making sense. 

Yet here he is. Completely in love with a woman who, on paper at least, should be the last person in the universe with whom he could hope to have a successful relationship (and vice versa). And she loves him. And their couple works. It is the emotional equivalent to an object falling upwards ! 

 

I for one would be delighted to see Leonard struggle with this oddity. Not just because it would make sense considering his background but also because it would be a great opportunity for the writers to come up with their own version of a famous trope : the love explanation (different from the love declaration). In most films/shows, TPTB pull a "I love you and your flaws" (e.g. When Harry met Sally : "I love that it takes you an hour and a half to order a sandwich, etc."); in others, the writers prefer the "I love you and I don't care about your flaws" school of thought (e.g. Some Like it Hot : "Nobody's perfect").

 

Which option would TBBT writers go for ? Which would be more in tune with Leonard's analytical tendencies ? And, above all, would Leonard, the man who understands the holographic principle and can make it sound like a poem, the guy who works with/for Hawking on determining why and how the universe came to be, admit that he may very well never know exactely why he feel in love with the woman across the hall ? Could his marvelous intellect be defeated by a cheesecake-scented goddess with a 'tude and an inability to cook pasta ? 

 

I think there would be great potential for such a scene.

 

 This. I want this!

[Zhalen565]

Molly love that post but you missed a couple of kisses there.

Douglas she kisses before the date that wasn't a dat, lol

And Erik, though that was the kiss competition with Leslie Winkle

[I.Am.Molly]

Molly love that post but you missed a couple of kisses there.

Douglas she kisses before the date that wasn't a dat, lol

And Erik, though that was the kiss competition with Leslie Winkle

 

You're right, i did think i was missing one or two but i couldnt think of them in the moment. Still, it is less than Leonard and even in the Eric kiss it was used to show her feeling towards Leonard in a round about way. Hardly the antics of a slut! haha

[Zhalen565]

You're right, i did think i was missing one or two but i couldnt think of them in the moment. Still, it is less than Leonard and even in the Eric kiss it was used to show her feeling towards Leonard in a round about way. Hardly the antics of a slut! haha

I'm just sad, I did love how thy used Leslie in exactly the same way as they used Alex in the last series to bring out her feelings for Leonard,

[Nogravitasatall]

From various statements that Penny has made and from some of her actions, Penny has acted like a "drunken slut" in the past. Who cares? I think that foremost, SHE WOULD. Getting drunk and sleeping with a unkown person is not only stupid but dangerous. If this was a real person I would think that everytime they had some kind of blood work done they would be a little aprehensive that it might come back positive for some type of STD, not to mention that if you go out somewhere and someone who looks somewhat familiar keeps staring at you, you would wonder if you had gotten drunk and slept with them. As for Leonard thinking that Raj and Penny sleeping together not meaning anything, anyone who believes that is extremely naive about interpersnal relationships. In real life that will always be a sore spot between Leonard, Penny, and Raj. It may not be a major issue, but it will always be there. If upon returning from the North Sea Leonard found out that Penny and Raj had spent some time alone at his or her apartment, you can be sure that it would be a very big deal. It's called human nature.

Ummm. This is, MAYBE, true for you. I'm not going to refute every point you make with evidence but there is categorically not a natural law that says people have to think this way. Additionally, Leonard has had 6 years to make the observations and do any math himself, and two years to reflect on the Raj/Penny hookup. I think Penny let the falsehood about Raj's performance stand, so he thinks they did get it on. Then this happened.

Penny: Uh, have you thought this through?

Leonard: Yes, and I think we should go anyway.

I think it's reasonable to assume he has no problems with Penny. Furthermore, in a big city (4.6 million live in Sydney) you don't have to see people again. lol. If Penny doesn't go to her old haunts she will never run into anyone. Outside of context they wouldn't recognise her anyway.

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Edited September 1, 2013 by Nogravitasatall

[I.Am.Molly]

Ummm. This is, MAYBE, true for you. I'm not going to refute every point you make with evidence but there is categorically not a natural law that says people have to think this way.

 

I agree. everyone reacts differently to different situations.

 

On another note, you just had to put the Johnny Galecki in speedos thing on your signature didn't you? Seriously dude, what are you trying to do to me!

[Nogravitasatall]

I agree. everyone reacts differently to different situations.

On another note, you just had to put the Johnny Galecki in speedos thing on your signature didn't you? Seriously dude, what are you trying to do to me!

No, it's for Plimpton... I mean TW. Just trying to help her with her writing. But you're welcome. Edited September 1, 2013 by Nogravitasatall

[I.Am.Molly]

No, it's for Plimpton... I mean TW. Just trying to help her with her writing. But you're welcome.

Plimpton. Hmm. I guess this means you are calling her a whore? I second that. Haha.