Spoilers Leonard And Penny Season 7 *spoiler* Discussion Thread

[eirwinrommel]

Well that would explain why she hasn't been wearing a habit and rosary in any of the episodes

You never know, Leonard might like that.

[3ku11]

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I am not being Negative about Penny. Fact is I love Penny. However she isn't a Nun.

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Really she isin't a nun? I diddn't notice with her keen fashion sense, and all the hip clothes she wore that secretley she had nun clothes underneath haha. Penny is not a slut, she has not had sex with a series of guys in the show, Sheldon's calculation was based mostly on the amount of times Penny came home in the morning, or the guys that left her apartment, it was a rough estimate Sheldon as smart as he is cannot possibly calculate if Penny slept with all those guys, Penny prob can't if she has no recollection haha. Most of the time the writers made it clear that in the present relationships she is in, her sex life was active and diversed, like I said it is not illegal to have a love life last time I checked, that's Penny's business. And TBH if she never moved in across the hall from the guys, she prob woulden't have matured as much as she has, and her self actulization has changed alot. Up to moving in she revealed she just broke up Kurt a guy she lived with for four years, at that point she was alone and Leonard and Sheldon became a support system for her, I remember in the pilot they went to get  her things or her money can't recall, they came back with no pants haha, so Penny showed her gratitude and took them all out for dinner. By the S2 finalie tho Penny's outlook and vantage point started to change, her and Leonard were basically the core of season 2, Leonard and Penny started to bond from the episode when his mother came to stay, you could see even though they are both from different worlds, they have alot in common. The charm of Leonard and Penny has always been this gorgeous girl next door who seems perfect on the outside in every single way, but has deep seeded flaws and insecurities, and inadequacies that may not be obvious at first glance, but once you get closer to her are so apparent. And Leonard the nerd who opposed to the other looser type guys she usually goes for, actually treats her like the Queen she is. So I never saw Penny as a slut maybe promiscious, but theirs nothing wrong with that Penny has always been a work in progress. I don't understand what the point of going back 6 seasons to the beginning Penny is a compltely different person now, I mean back then Howard was still the creepy guy who hit on Penny, in S6 he is now all grown up married to Bernadette running dinner parties lol. No one has ever claimed Penny or any of these characters to be perfect, but that what makes these characters unique their imperfections, and they have flaws and insecurties just like real people, because thats the point Penny's not the girl next door/actress and the guys are not nerds they are people. 

[Occam's Chainsaw]

I think the problem is that the show played up every time Penny slept with a guy, and then there are her comments about her past. I don't think her past is anywhere near as full as Sheldon's math says, but she certainly has an adventurous side.

[3ku11]

I think the problem is that the show played up every time Penny slept with a guy, and then there are her comments about her past. I don't think her past is anywhere near as full as Sheldon's math says, but she certainly has an adventurous side.

Penny's relationships were on and off and stopped and started, it was never at a linear pace. Sheldon cannot possiblity regardless of the data at hand and his intelligence, possiblity be exact when it comes to Penny's sexual partners. Penny from S1-S3, was not dating every episode, it was just implied behind the scene. Sheldon made comments about how Penny came home in the morning or guys leaving her apartment, he said 30 sexual partners. But these don't take into account the variables of the relationships. Penny has been active in terms of her sex life with these select guys, not various. Even in backstories in S3, revealed that Penny had a pregnancy scare, but why is this a surprise Penny has always been promiscious, depends how you define being in a relationship and what is you views on them. Personally I don't think it reflects who she is, what she does in relationships is a make up of her personality and characteristics, and her choices in men up to Leonard was partly due to her relationship with her father, just like her choice in a career in acting has to do with her relationship with her father, self actulizing an alternate reality. This was established in the episode in Season 2 when Leonard's mother came to stay, Leonard and Penny bonded over their respective parents. Leonard's distant mother who has never showed any form of love or approval, remember Leonard told Penny the story in that ep of how he created a hugging machine lol. And how Penny's father referred to Penny as his little "slugger", and made a reference when talking with Beverley, about if she ever received a bat and glove. I think maybe Penny's choices in men can be directly related to a deep seeded psychological problem directly back to her father, who may of wanted a boy could be wrong. So Penny dated these guys and choose a certain type of a guy, and may come across as a slut in her behaviour, for the very same reason Leonard is submissive in his behaviour. Their choices and decisions in life and their identities are all a make up of their relationships with their parents. So alot of variables come into play.

[rickfromillinois]

Really she isin't a nun? I diddn't notice with her keen fashion sense, and all the hip clothes she wore that secretley she had nun clothes underneath haha. Penny is not a slut, she has not had sex with a series of guys in the show, Sheldon's calculation was based mostly on the amount of times Penny came home in the morning, or the guys that left her apartment, it was a rough estimate Sheldon as smart as he is cannot possibly calculate if Penny slept with all those guys, Penny prob can't if she has no recollection haha. Most of the time the writers made it clear that in the present relationships she is in, her sex life was active and diversed, like I said it is not illegal to have a love life last time I checked, that's Penny's business. And TBH if she never moved in across the hall from the guys, she prob woulden't have matured as much as she has, and her self actulization has changed alot. Up to moving in she revealed she just broke up Kurt a guy she lived with for four years, at that point she was alone and Leonard and Sheldon became a support system for her, I remember in the pilot they went to get  her things or her money can't recall, they came back with no pants haha, so Penny showed her gratitude and took them all out for dinner. By the S2 finalie tho Penny's outlook and vantage point started to change, her and Leonard were basically the core of season 2, Leonard and Penny started to bond from the episode when his mother came to stay, you could see even though they are both from different worlds, they have alot in common. The charm of Leonard and Penny has always been this gorgeous girl next door who seems perfect on the outside in every single way, but has deep seeded flaws and insecurities, and inadequacies that may not be obvious at first glance, but once you get closer to her are so apparent. And Leonard the nerd who opposed to the other looser type guys she usually goes for, actually treats her like the Queen she is. So I never saw Penny as a slut maybe promiscious, but theirs nothing wrong with that Penny has always been a work in progress. I don't understand what the point of going back 6 seasons to the beginning Penny is a compltely different person now, I mean back then Howard was still the creepy guy who hit on Penny, in S6 he is now all grown up married to Bernadette running dinner parties lol. No one has ever claimed Penny or any of these characters to be perfect, but that what makes these characters unique their imperfections, and they have flaws and insecurties just like real people, because thats the point Penny's not the girl next door/actress and the guys are not nerds they are people. 

Once again, watch the expression on Penny's face when Sheldon said how many men Penny had slept with.  HE WAS RIGHT.   You can argue about the process he used to get to that number, but HE WAS RIGHT.  That being said, SO WHAT?  When younger, Penny drank too much and slept around.  What is she like NOW.  She has grown and she has learned from her past experiences.  It would be terrible if they had her still doing things like that now that she is in a relationship with Leonard, but to all appearances she is a very good person and a very good girlfriend for Leonard.   She supports Leonard without being a doormat or loosing her own individuality.  Look at her now and compare her to what she was like in season 1.   At the same time, look at Leonard now and compare him to what he was like in season 1.  It seems to me that they have both profitted greatly from knowing each other, and as strange as it might look at first glance, they do in fact make a very good couple.

Edited September 2, 2013 by rickfromillinois

[Fruit Loop]

I think the problem is that the show played up every time Penny slept with a guy, and then there are her comments about her past. I don't think her past is anywhere near as full as Sheldon's math says, but she certainly has an adventurous side.

[rickfromillinois]

 

I think the problem is that the show played up every time Penny slept with a guy, and then there are her comments about her past. I don't think her past is anywhere near as full as Sheldon's math says, but she certainly has an adventurous side.

 

Once again, look at Penny's facial expressions when Sheldon came up with the number.   He was right.

[I.Am.Molly]

Once again, look at Penny's facial expressions when Sheldon came up with the number.   He was right.

Its all open to interpretation. You dont get to decide that your variation is right and everyone elses is wrong. I dont see Penny agreeing with his number, (and i did watch it again, a few times,) i see her trying to work it out in her head, a little shocked and cofused as to how the matter even came up in the first place and trying to move the conversation on to something else because it made her uncomfortable. Just because you see it is as you do, doesn't mean everyone else here is wrong.

 

Now, can we please move on. The fact that this whole 'is penny a slut' thing is still going on is crazy.

[Chiara]

I judge the characters more off of what i see of them in the show, how they are in the majority of episodes, and the way penny is shown in the vast majority, she is not a slut, an alcoholic or a bitch. Shes kind, sweet, funny and cares about her friends. It really surprises me that she is always brought up in this forum and made out to be the bad person in the relationship.

 

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This thread constantly focuses on the negatives and while i dont want this to become some sort of fairy land with glitters and sparkles where everything is just wonderful, i would like there to be a little less Penny hate. Its really starting to get tiring constantly coming on here and feeling the need to jump to her defense, especially in a thread that is supposed to support her and Leonard. Not just Leonard.

I do realise I may start to sound incredibly repetitive and for that I do apologise sincerely but I believe the "problem" you have identified has everything to do with the show's narrative structure.

 

Leonard is the hero; as such he is the main recipient of empathy from the audience. He is, structurally speaking, "our" guy. Furthermore, it so happens that said guy's cuteness factor rivals with that of baby pandas so the Leonard lovefest is bound to be extreme. More to the point, we the audience are meant to side with the hero and want for his quest to be successful. Leonard's quest, so to speak, is to become an "adult geek". Now, he has the ""geek" part down so what he needs is the "adult" component. That would be Penny. 

Penny is the "object" of his quest : she is what/whom he wants. 

 

The problem is that, in many instances, the main hurdle in Leonard's path to a felicitous union with Penny has been none other than... Penny herself ! That put her in an interesting place, structurally : she is both the hero's love and his greatest foe. 

Now, if one only sees her as the "object" of the protagonist's quest, then one is bound to become frustrated with her for she is essentially stopping the hero dead in his tracks and delaying the completion of his mission. 

Conversely, if one sees her as an independent character who merely happens to be the focal point of Leonard's endeavour, then her behaviour is no longer as shocking/upsetting for one then has to accept that she has a quest of her own which, at times, means her efforts will clash with Leonard's and their interests will be mutally exclusive.

Therefore, depending on how one perceives Penny's role in the story (object or auxiliary), one will have a different take on her actions and be more or less likely to blame her for Leonard's issues. 

 

Simply put, if Sheldon is Bert and Leonard Ernie, then Penny is the Rubber Duckie. But this particular Rubber Duckie has a mind of its own and a 'tude to go with it. That is bound to cause some problems. 

[I.Am.Molly]

I do realise I may start to sound incredibly repetitive and for that I do apologise sincerely but I believe the "problem" you have identified has everything to do with the show's narrative structure.

 

Leonard is the hero; as such he is the main recipient of empathy from the audience. He is, structurally speaking, "our" guy. Furthermore, it so happens that said guy's cuteness factor rivals with that of baby pandas so the Leonard lovefest is bound to be extreme. More to the point, we the audience are meant to side with the hero and want for his quest to be successful. Leonard's quest, so to speak, is to become an "adult geek". Now, he has the ""geek" part down so what he needs is the "adult" component. That would be Penny. 

Penny is the "object" of his quest : she is what/whom he wants. 

 

The problem is that, in many instances, the main hurdle in Leonard's path to a felicitous union with Penny has been none other than... Penny herself ! That put her in an interesting place, structurally : she is both the hero's love and his greatest foe. 

Now, if one only sees her as the "object" of the protagonist's quest, then one is bound to become frustrated with her for she is essentially stopping the hero dead in his tracks and delaying the completion of his mission. 

Conversely, if one sees her as an independent character who merely happens to be the focal point of Leonard's endeavour, then her behaviour is no longer as shocking/upsetting for one then has to accept that she has a quest of her own which, at times, means her efforts will clash with Leonard's and their interests will be mutally exclusive.

Therefore, depending on how one perceives Penny's role in the story (object or auxiliary), one will have a different take on her actions and be more or less likely to blame her for Leonard's issues. 

 

Simply put, if Sheldon is Bert and Leonard Ernie, then Penny is the Rubber Duckie. But this particular Rubber Duckie has a mind of its own and a 'tude to go with it. That is bound to cause some problems. 

 

This is true. I understand that Pennys own worst enemy is usually herself and that effects how the audience view her. I do love that in this forum we get to discuss and debate certain points and things that have happened between this couple, i definitely dont want this to be a place where we talk about how wonderful Leonard and Penny are all the time. My only issue is the frequency of which Penny's character is dragged through the dirt on here. Not only that but how some people can talk about her like they literally hate her! its just confusing and a little annoying considering she isn't always the one at fault in the relationship and i feel like sometimes people on here cant/wont see that.

 

I respect everyones opinion though, and i know that everyone has a right to come on here and say what they feel about a character, i guess its just a little annoying that most of the Penny bashing that goes on, has to be done in the Lenny thread.

[SodidIwin?]

Perhaps for all of the Penny bashers a new thread could be started by them "Everything that is wrong with Penny"?

[Occam's Chainsaw]

Perhaps for all of the Penny bashers a new thread could be started by them "Everything that is wrong with Penny"?

Ah, but then I'd have to spend a bunch of time there defending Penny from all the hate.

[terriblewaitress]

I'm so excited to see him surprise her with his early homecoming! I was just thinking about it, aaah  

[rickfromillinois]

So are the bashers and haters the writers of show?  They are the ones who have her doing these things.   Does it make you a basher or hater if you comment on the character's actions if it isn't positve, no matter what they do?  "That Penny, she sure was popular with the guys, even if it was only for one night for most ot them."   "That Penny, she sure can drink allot of alcohol."  .... is that better?   Commenting that Penny drank allot and the witers made it clear that she was very sexaully active in her youger years is not bashing or hating, it is the truth.   It is also the truth that as the seasons have passed she has grown and is much more mature now.  

Edited September 2, 2013 by rickfromillinois

[3ku11]

Okay I think it is established Penny was promiscious and sexually active in the early years. But all that was circumstancial, like I said their are a ton of factors and variables too take into account, in terms of why she choose the guys she did, and why up to Leonard she fell for a certain type of guy who ultimatley and inevtiably ended up mistreating her. By S1 Finalie Penny started to have enough of dating guys because of their external qualities, she wanted to date someone who actually cared about her. TBH I think by S2 Penny started to become more integrated in the group, and her dating life started to become less active, as she immersed herself in World's of Warcraft, making those flower things with the help from the guys e.t.c. Also the season her domestication started to begin. She started becoming closer and started bonding with Leonard, and the guys almost became a support system for her. As ever since her date with Leonard in 2x01, she seemed to start to mature even then, her ability to tolerate the dumbness in guys started to diminish. Leonard was the type of guy that represented her self insecurities, that she beleived she wasent good enough for him. Thats the reason why they diddnt work the first time around, Penny thought Leonard was too smart for her, but after DU it really made her realize how important Leonard is too her, and Leonard storming in showed Penny he's not that smart after all . Since then Penny stopped dating and you saw her dealing with other issues like paying rent (borriwing money from Sheldon), like I said before making those blossom petals as a means of another source of income. You saw her interacting and getting alot more involved with the guys, especially Leonard's activities. Its funny because you look at Charlie from Taahm, his sex life is/was WAAAAAY more active then Penny haha, yet he is considered cool, but Penny is considered a slut by some because she's a female, definatley a double standard their. Who's to kno if Sheldon's correct, but he cannot possibly know every single date Penny had before S1 & especially during, its Sheldon I think he has more important things to worry about especially then. For the record Pennys reaction in 4x01, doesent neither confirm nor deny, more a state of shock one Sheldon even cared to calculate the amount of sexual partners she's had in 2 years, and contemplating if its true. 30 guys is a rough estimate based on a specific equation, this does not include the variables. As she had up to Leonard been known to date about 3-4 guys in the tradational relationship paradaim. It makes no differnce to how Penny conducted her love life when she was younger, she was young and was having fun, enjoying life doesen't make her a bad person, nor does it have anything to do with her evolvement and maturity by S6-7. It was just a part of who she was then, just like Leonard being a socially awkward nerd was a part of Leonard's. Is Howard the same creepy guy who hits on Penny? No hes now married hosting dinner parties haha. These have all been characters who the writers never professed to be perfect, but over time through their experiences they have been in and their relationships it has all help grow them. Penny's much more matured and almost domesticated now, Leonard is much more confident and socially equipped, Howards married, Raj can talk to women sober, Sheldon's well Sheldon haha. Now can we all just move on because after all this a thread for spoilers for Lenny in S7

Edited September 3, 2013 by 3ku11

[Chiara]

So are the bashers and haters the writers of show?  They are the ones who have her doing these things.   Does it make you a basher or hater if you comment on the character's actions if it isn't positve, no matter what they do?  "That Penny, she sure was popular with the guys, even if it was only for one night for most ot them."   "That Penny, she sure can drink allot of alcohol."  .... is that better?   Commenting that Penny drank allot and the witers made it clear that she was very sexaully active in her youger years is not bashing or hating, it is the truth.   It is also the truth that as the seasons have passed she has grown and is much more mature now.  

I may be wrong but I believe the crux of the matter is not really to identify and alienate the haters/non haters but to try to understand why the character of Penny can at times be so polarising. 

 

The starting point of this questioning was I.Am.Molly's pertinent comparison with the Shamy 'ship in which, seemingly, the fanlove is equally shared between Amy and Sheldon whereas, amongst the Lennys, there is something of a tug-of-war between those who favour Leonard (numerous, or so it appears at times), those who prefer Penny (less numerous) and those who care for them both equally (no idea of the proportion). 

Fact of the matter is, there is a major difference between the Shamy and the Lenny 'ships : in the former, both partners have the same narrative status; in the latter, they do not. 

Leonard has the advantage as the show's hero. This position colours the way we, the audience, perceive his misadventures and the role Penny plays in them. She is, more often than not, on this forum and others, portrayed as mainly if not solely responsible for the problems the couple faces.

Is she, at times, a huge pain in the gluteus maximus ? Of course. 

Does she create problems for herself and Leonard ? You bet she does.

Is she always the only culprit when it comes to messing up the Lenny ? Nope. Leonard has had his fair share of hiccups. Yet, those tend to be brushed aside while Penny's faults are constantly brought back for an nth reexamination. 

 

The writers are, in my opinion, more balanced in their approach than some of us fans. While Leonard is definitely their "homeboy", the apple of their eye, the character through whom they get to live vicariously (which leads to some unfairness in the way him and Penny are represented/portrayed), they usually attempt to spread the blame relatively evenly between him and Penny when a screw up occurs.

Case in point : the break up. There was no real villain there. Leonard said ILY (he had every right to); Penny freaked out (she had every right to); Leonard got pushy and passive-aggressive (not cool); Penny got tired and defensive (not cool); one little push from Wheaton and voila... A nice mess with both parties equally responsible for their couple's downfall. Yet, when this event is revisited and analysed by us, there is a school of thought that goes something like "Penny should have said ILY back / Why couldn't she just say ILY back ? / What's wrong with her ? / She hurt Leonard / Leonard is great to her and she treats him like that, she does not deserve him". That is not the writer's version of the breakup; that is ours (or one of ours). Why ? Simply because Leonard is the empathy magnet and Penny is not : we feel his frustration and pain when he does not get an ILY back and when he is broken up with; we show much less compassion for Penny and her emotional turmoil. 

 

There is always a difference, no matter how slight, between the facts and the interpretation of the facts. Admittedly, some of the facts the writers have provided us about Penny are not designed to be flattering (she does have a tendency to drink when either very bored or sad; and she seems to have had a rather colourful past) but they are made to look much worse by the Leonard-loving prism through which we, the fans, perceive them whereas Leonard's equally unappealing sides (his neediness, his passive-aggressivity, his vengeful tendencies, his clumsiness, etc.) are dismissed as either justified or irrelevant. 

 

Let's face it : Leonard and Penny are equally messed up, just in different ways. That is why they fit; they are both adorably deranged and dysfunctional. 

Edited September 3, 2013 by Chiara

[Oldnavy]

Its all open to interpretation. You dont get to decide that your variation is right and everyone elses is wrong. I dont see Penny agreeing with his number, (and i did watch it again, a few times,) i see her trying to work it out in her head, a little shocked and cofused as to how the matter even came up in the first place and trying to move the conversation on to something else because it made her uncomfortable. Just because you see it is as you do, doesn't mean everyone else here is wrong.

 

Now, can we please move on. The fact that this whole 'is penny a slut' thing is still going on is crazy.

Well said Molly.  Please lets move on.

[Chiara]

Well said Molly.  Please lets move on.

You can tell a traumatised 'shipdom by its ability to rehash old disputes only a few days after being spoiled for an episode in which :

- one half of the 'ship comes back from a long trip

- immediately goes to his better half's place

- dismisses everyone, including his best friend, so he can spend some quality time with the woman he loves.  

 

I think we might be addicted to the pain. Very much like Leonard, we simply do not know what to do with ourselves when things go our way.

[Tensor]

I think we might be addicted to the pain. Very much like Leonard, we simply do not know what to do with ourselves when things go our way.

Yeah, the Lenny motto (slightly altered from "She Talks to Angels")

Yeah he/she gives a smile when the pain comes

The pain gonna make everything alright

Black Crowes.

[rickfromillinois]

"Let's face it : Leonard and Penny are equally messed up, just in different ways. That is why they fit; they are both adorably deranged and dysfunctional."  I would like to point out that they have both improved and grown since meeting each other.  All you need to do is watch a rerun of the first season and compare them then to the way they are now.  They are good for each other.

[eirwinrommel]

Its funny because you look at Charlie from Taahm, his sex life is/was WAAAAAY more active then Penny haha, yet he is considered cool, but Penny is considered a slut by some because she's a female, definatley a double standard their.

Comparing Penny to Charlie doesn't really work out. Charlie was about as active as a squad of Marines in a Bangkok whorehouse, after 6 about months in country.

You can tell a traumatised 'shipdom by its ability to rehash old disputes only a few days after being spoiled for an episode in which :

- one half of the 'ship comes back from a long trip

- immediately goes to his better half's place

- dismisses everyone, including his best friend, so he can spend some quality time with the woman he loves.  

 

I think we might be addicted to the pain. Very much like Leonard, we simply do not know what to do with ourselves when things go our way.

No, I think the problem is we don't have any new episodes to re-hash, and no spoilers for this weeks taping. Once we have actual episodes we'll be able to obsess over them instead.

[3ku11]

Comparing Penny to Charlie doesn't really work out. Charlie was about as active as a squad of Marines in a Bangkok whorehouse, after 6 about months in country.

That's my point because Charlie's a guy he comes across as a player and charming and oh that Charlie. Where as Penny's sex life would be considered average by anyone's calculations yet some people refer to her as a slut, sometimes I wonder if people know the actual definition of that term. Penny in the relationships she was in was definately and up to meeting the guys in the pilot, had always been sexually active, shes hot why not flaunt it haha. But it was more her relationships defined her personality and her identity, as the seasons went by she started to grow up and look for more things in guys like intelligence, education, do they care about me haha as the show progressed. And no in S7 Lenny are in the best place they have ever been. 

[SRAM]

I was just was watching 'The Bad Fish Paradigm' and Sheldon is a real ass, what he told Penny was so wrong, about Leonard only being compatible with smart women. Sheldon is really just an evil leprechaun trying to keep Leonard and Penny apart.

[3ku11]

I was just was watching 'The Bad Fish Paradigm' and Sheldon is a real ass, what he told Penny was so wrong, about Leonard only being compatible with smart women. Sheldon is really just an evil leprechaun trying to keep Leonard and Penny apart.

Haha yeah Sheldon always seems to devalue every aspect of Penny's life from Penny's education to her career path. I think Sheldon means well but that part in the brain that represents Common Sense and Rationality in the brain, just doesen't resonate with Sheldon, it's not his fault it's the way he is, he's logical with everything in his life. I remember that ep, Penny revealed to Sheldon she is afraid Leonard is to smart for her, and Sheldon paried some line about well do you have a working understanding of Quantum Physics? Do you know any card tricks? Lol. And Penny was like Okay I get it a girl like me has no right being with a guy like Leonard, Penny even questioned had Leonard gone out with anyone who wasen't a physcist or smart in any specific way. Sheldon ended up revealing it all to Leonard when Howard got him all lupy haha, Then Leonard kinda screwed up giving Penny that college application, that was really condesending. It wasen't till the S2 finalie when Penny gave Leonard that big blanket/hug, and they had the long hug that was a real touching moment between Leonard and Penny, and confuses me even more where this romantic Shenny comes from but not going to go down that path again haha. And that's when Penny started to come to terms with the depth of her feelings for Leonard. So ultimately Leonard and Penny decided themselfs that they wanted to be together in the end, regardless of other factors or people's opinion's.

Edited September 3, 2013 by 3ku11

[ArmyGirl]

I was just was watching 'The Bad Fish Paradigm' and Sheldon is a real ass, what he told Penny was so wrong, about Leonard only being compatible with smart women. Sheldon is really just an evil leprechaun trying to keep Leonard and Penny apart.

 

And some wonder why I don't care for Sheldon that much.  This is the reason I don't buy into the 'Sheldon don't know any better' crap he selfish, condescending, he's a think he knows it all, and more.

........

 

Then Leonard kinda screwed up giving Penny that college application, that was really condesending. It wasen't till the S2 finalie when Penny gave Leonard that big blanket/hug, and they had the long hug that was a real touching moment between Leonard and Penny, and confuses me even more where this romantic Shenny comes from but not going to go down that path again haha. And that's when Penny started to come to terms with the depth of her feelings for Leonard. So ultimately Leonard and Penny decided themselfs that they wanted to be together in the end, regardless of other factors or people's opinion's.

 

Leonard wasn't trying to be condescending, he thought he was helping Penny feel better about what upset her.  If anything Penny overreacted and didn't try to understand why Leonard brought her the information.  Makes you wonder if Penny would have acted in the same matter if Sheldon gave her the same information.

 

eta:  Leonard only understood what he did was wrong after Penny was over the top. 

Edited September 3, 2013 by ArmyGirl