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Sheldon has always done that though, even made comments how something as trivial as Romance and Leonard and Penny's love life and the rest of his friends, is as important as his game nights, or board games, or anything science fiction related. He lives in his own world and is perfectly fine with ignoring the real world, like I said he is completely insensitive and horrible because he knows no better, but I think its high time his friends stop enabling his behaviour, once he realizes his behaviour is not okay, he well stop and maybe be like that episode in Family Guy, when Peter finally treated Meg with respect, and got so obnoxious haha, with love and stuff.

I thought that as well, until the second professor Proton episode, when he said people had been telling him he was annoying most of his life.

 

Season 7 episode 7

Sheldon: No, go ahead, say it. I know what it is. I’ve heard it my whole life. The word’s annoying. Go ahead, say it. Say it. Say I’m annoying.

 

You'd think that he'd get a clue by now if he were teachable (at least short of using physical pain as a teaching method... Torture: fun and instructive. See my post above about cheers.).

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I thought that as well, until the second professor Proton episode, when he said people had been telling him he was annoying most of his life.

Season 7 episode 7

Sheldon: No, go ahead, say it. I know what it is. I’ve heard it my whole life. The word’s annoying. Go ahead, say it. Say it. Say I’m annoying.

You'd think that he'd get a clue by now if he were teachable (at least short of using physical pain as a teaching method... Torture: fun and instructive. See my post above about cheers.).

I think the good news there is at least he is not a sociopath, because then he would think like he does but hide it in the way he acts. But his behaviours are obvious so Penny and Leonard have only themselves to blame if they don't CHANGE THE LOCKS! while he is gone. LOL.

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So we got any bets of whats going to happen re living arrangements? I would like too see Sheldon living on his own for a while but Lenny in 4b (Pennys), may not work Sheldon is only a walk awa. Unless they created a river from 4b to 4a, with Crocodiles, riffs e.t..c. All the works, wonder if Sheldon's been to Outward Bound haha. Either way unless they create another set for Lenny to move into, which I can't see happening. So looks like Lenny in 4a, or nothing changes for now. I guess you could bank on Shamy progressing but that seems a dead end for now *I can hear the Shamys coming at me with pitchforks* haha, unless Sheldon suddenly starts hanging out at Amys more, then Lenny can have all the fun they want, paint party on Sheldons spot! Don't forget whistling from Penny :p. Regarding Sheldon's insensitivity, it was never as bad as in S1 when he cleaned Pennys room in the middle of the night, how Penny didn't kick his ass then move away, is beyond me that girl does have a kind heart.

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It's funny to read that in a Lenny thread, all you seem to talk about, comes back to Sheldon ;)

I think Sheldon holds (or held now that he's gone) Lenny back from moving forward, same goes the other way around.

Sheldon has never been confronted face to face about his behaviour, or when someone finally did, they still caved in the end.

That's why I liked the season finale and was glad to see Penny say he needs to go.

Although the Shamy in me was sad, I was happy to see this finally happening.

I hope TPTB don't cave and go back at the beginning of s8, they now have the chance to move Lenny, Sheldon (and by that Shamy) forward.

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That's true without Sheldon Lenny wouldent of got together in the first place, he did tell Leonard early on re his shot with Penny "Compared to the rest of us your a mackdaddy". So being in close quarters, you have every chance. He also said "She diddnt' reject you you never gave her the chance too". I don't think all couples are tied to each other like they are all on one raft. They are all independent relationshps

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That's true without Sheldon Lenny wouldent of got together in the first place, he did tell Leonard early on re his shot with Penny "Compared to the rest of us your a mackdaddy". So being in close quarters, you have every chance. He also said "She diddnt' reject you you never gave her the chance too". I don't think all couples are tied to each other like they are all on one raft. They are all independent relationshps

That was first season Sheldon, before he became a major pain.

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Yeah I remember Leonard's first "date" with Penny S1, and Sheldon was nice enough to ask "So how did it go?" He was as ignorant and emotionally intelligent as he is now, but he has almost grown into this big monster, where as then he was this little mini monster who cared about his friends, where as now is above said RE Penny having a crisis over his career, worried it well effect his boardgame, his empathy and his ability to emotionally read people has declined, hopefully proton had a effect on them, and the writers start making him more aware other people.

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I've always wondered two things. 1. Since it's Texas, maybe he's not crazy for there (consider they replaced George W. Bush with Rick Perry). and 2. How long after the doctor declared Sheldon 'not crazy' did he/she loose their license. To paraphrase George Carlin 'Somewhere there's the world's worst doctor, and he's seeing patients tomorrow.'

He probably saw a psychologist although at that time psychiatrists could still actually see patients for something other than medication management.

 

There is no way the doctor would've lost their license, whether they were an M.D. or a Ph.D. for this.  First, someone has to complain to the appropriate licensing board, then a case is opened and an investigator is sent to look into the complaint.  Unless they're doing drugs, sleeping with a patient, an alcoholic, illegally prescribing drugs or have had their license revoked/suspended in another state the case would've most likely been closed.  If there was any way it went to even an informal conference the result would've been the same or he may have had to pay a monetary penalty.

Yes I think I mean self-empathy, self-regulation yes, random stuff just pop in my head and I post haha. What I mean resouloution technique is that he never seems to never realize the consequences to his actions, he needs to resolve things better. Maybe the gang should do an intervention :p, What to say in conversation. When breaking news to someone that their career is a dead end, saying "Oh have you either thought of doing porn, you would be good at it?" lol is not the appropriate course of action. Sheldon I have a problem? Now is Does it involve me? No then suffer in silence the best course of action, or May I offer you a cold beverage?  

There's a big difference between empathy and self-regulation and kids usually learn both.  Those like Sheldon need to be taught both of these and it can take quite a while to teach self-regulation.

 

Realizing the consequences to your actions is also very different from the above two and is usually learned.  Once again, Sheldon needs to be taught this too.

 

What he needs to learn is TACT, i.e. in what situations is it appropriate to say certain things and in what situations you need to keep your thoughts to yourself.

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Like Leonard said on the last episode, Sheldon is a child in an adult's body, eventually even Sheldon will have to grow up, he can not be twelve forever.

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@Chiany, because he's the snake in our garden. LOL.

And the way the finale has set up the Shelenny relationship triangle, we can't discuss Leonard and Penny future path to happiness without discussing the impact of the big dog poop in the middle of that path.

Up until the finale, Sheldon was oblivious to the fact that life for Lenny without him was considered a possibility.

If he accepts it in season 8, then it's smooth sailing for the happy couple and Lenny threads will be about them.

If he comes back refusing to budge, then we won't be able to stop talking about him in a Lenny thread because he will be the cause of every problem they encounter.

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A snake put a snake by Pennys apart, if Lenny move their. Big Bang theorys equivalent to a watch dog :p Keeps any unwanted guests away, so electro "shock" arent far off haha.

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And the way the finale has set up the Shelenny relationship triangle, we can't discuss Leonard and Penny future path to happiness without discussing the impact of the big dog poop in the middle of that path.

Up until the finale, Sheldon was oblivious to the fact that life for Lenny without him was considered a possibility.

If he accepts it in season 8, then it's smooth sailing for the happy couple and Lenny threads will be about them.

If he comes back refusing to budge, then we won't be able to stop talking about him in a Lenny thread because he will be the cause of every problem they encounter.

 

They can always move away and break off the friendship completely ;)

 

We know of course TPTB will never go there, but especially now they are engaged, they hold more power "against" him (if they want to that is).

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Dont think this should be about a power struggle, more just compromise something Sheldon cant grasp even the concept even meet half way. Moving away prob isint a possibility, from a production stand point. This is Sheldon he always has the power, Penny needs to lawyer him haha like Priya did, or create the Friendship Agreement, seeibg Sheldon only understands order

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They can always move away and break off the friendship completely ;)

We know of course TPTB will never go there, but especially now they are engaged, they hold more power "against" him (if they want to that is).

If they move away he can still put on his bus pants go via the Sri Lanka district and annoy them with "Penny and Leonard knock knock knock Penny and Leonard knock knock knock Penny and Leonard knock knock knock" until they agree to come visit!

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If they move away he can still put on his bus pants go via the Sri Lanka district and annoy them with "Penny and Leonard knock knock knock Penny and Leonard knock knock knock Penny and Leonard knock knock knock" until they agree to come visit!

Do they have to tell him where they move to? I suppose he could find out using the internet, but really couldn't they set up a decoy address to fool him? Maybe live in a security building where he can't just walk in and annoy them. Of course they could always get a restraining order, Sheldon seems to obey those.

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I say Leonard and Penny should move to the other side of Pasadena. Take only the furniture that Leonard bought (including the sofa in Sheltons's precious spot) and go. Let Sheldon keep 4A. Let him get a new roommate, or not. Let him have Amy move in, or not. Let the group of friends continue to meet there, or not. Leonard and Penny need and deserve to be free of Dr Cooper and begin their life together. Let him come and visit them. Maybe he can pick up takeout on the way.

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Do they have to tell him where they move to? I suppose he could find out using the internet, but really couldn't they set up a decoy address to fool him? Maybe live in a security building where he can't just walk in and annoy them. Of course they could always get a restraining order, Sheldon seems to obey those.

He'd hire the girl guides from the pilot episode to get him through the security.

They have had some success treating his as a dog. They could tell him to stay.

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There are several reasons why Lenny's talk so much about Sheldon. First, he has evolved into the antagonist in the story. Not the villain precisely, but frequently the character the others struggle against. For a long time, Penny was this a little bit. Leonard is the protagonist. He struggles against Sheldon's rage for stasis, and Penny's reluctance to commit. Sheldon wants Leonard to live as his roommate with only the occasional girlfriend forever. Leonard sees living with Sheldon as a situation that has an ending. Sheldon has gradually accepted Penny as his secondary caregiver, and a factor that keeps Leonard relatively happy. The long-term ramifications of this relationship changing, as they must do, is inconceivable to him, short of a break up. Sheldon has intervened in Lenny as a governor, to keep Penny from dumping Leonard, but encouraging her to "break his heart" when Leonard wanted to move in with her after he spoiled Harry Potter. Basically he wants Leonard happy but living with him. The happiness part is mainly to keep things calm in the apartment. While he does wish Leonard well, it is a secondary concern to Sheldon's stasis. Amy is also caught up in this. Now a factor essential to Sheldon's happiness, but another force for change. In the classic sense, Sheldon is the force for evil, as evil opposes change and assumes they are perfection, while good is constantly striving for perfection through change. Sheldon is not a bad guy, but serves this role as the character demanding stasis. AsLeonard pointed out in the table episode, the good in Sheldon's life (his spot, Amy, Leonard and the guys, Penny) all came about through change. Even now, Sheldon is fighting with all his heart to oppose change. He flat out states that Leonard is not moving, as if he has the power to do this. It is a good thing that Sheldon is taking time to "cool off" as he has shown that he has not boundaries when trying to get his way. He probably does have something squirreled away that would cause Leonard great pain and interfere or end the Lenny relationship. Sheldon needs to wrap his head around the fact that some change is good particularly for him.

The second big reason to discuss Sheldon is that he makes Lenny more interesting. While the development of the Leonard and Penny relationship is wonderful, having Sheldon in there provides contrast and low level conflict. Leonard and Penny's central plot line is enriched by having Sheldon as a complicating factor.

The issue for me is that Sheldon has evolved into a less sympathetic character, as noted above. He has soured and become more nasty. He's always been condescending, but now it has an unpleasant edge to it. Basically calling his second best friend and Leonard's fiancée a slut isn't just insensitive, it is mean. His condescension rings hollow, as not only does Sheldon have no real professional success, but the area he works in is looking like a dead end. He's mean and condescending, and I hope that this trip will be a way for the writers to take that edge off, and make him sympathetic again. Given the way he is acting, Leonard and Penny would be justified in cutting him out of their lives and Amy should leave him. The show will be even better if Sheldon can able to move across the hall and not treat Amy so poorly.

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Come on guys, give him a break he is not that bad. Some extreme comments. Ok I see ya points :) carry on...

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IMO he IS that bad. Why is mean so funny and why is he the most "beloved" character? It isn't even like he is the character that people "love to hate".They just love him period because they find him funny.  He doesn't even make me smile anymore, let alone laugh. More often, he makes me wince.

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Sheldon is in between Hitler and a really really smart Ape. Sometimes his behaviour is ruthlesley cruel like with Penny, and sometimes he just does not get he is being cruel because he just does not understand. I do agree hes an interesting wheel for Lenny, he adds little conflict, he complicates things just enough. But he always has complicated Lenny, since Day One. Obviousley he has become less empathetic as the show has gone on. Its almost because professionally he is at a deadend, he projects all his resentment on the ppl he susposidly loves. Hes becoming less the anti hero and more a monster. Like above said he was always condesending, but the worst thinh is. He is not sympathetic while doing it, as he becomes better at reading emotions, he becomes more and more obnoxious and egomanicial. Showing no interest in Pennys career hitting a deadend because it doesent meet his level of expectation is not on, and i hope the writers like above said take the edge off. Look at Barb Sublim, Sheldon picked up on why Penny was upset and even offered a resoloution. After Seven seasons its becoming more apparrent, Sheldon has outgrown the ppl he chooses to hang out with. Problem is he doesent value his relationships enough, partic with Amy. Hopefully protons message gets through to him. I guess why Sheldon is being discussed in a Lebny thread haha, because he has become centric to their relationship. Sheldon has become such a monster in the show, everything has revolved around him, its becoming less and less about a cute show about eggheads, and the story between boy and girl ala Lenny. And more and more about how these ppl deal with this egomaniac, hope that changes in S8, hope he comes bk and values his relationships alot more, as if it wssent for the ppl in his life he would be a nobody.

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The character of SheldonCooper is the classic example of a sit-com character being evolved by writers & creators into something they think a wider (and maybe a casual viewing) audience may seek out. They have the loyal viewer , but they also want to increase numbers. Why not take a character that everyone talks about and then "super-size" him.

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