Spoilers Leonard And Penny Season 7 *spoiler* Discussion Thread

[3ku11]

I'm going to try to be clinically correct here, in my clinical ignorance. They did not have sex. They were intimate. But my view is, whatever happened, they all got past it. And I agree Raj is always sketchy. He is loved by some, but I have to stretch sometimes to feel that love. He's a sad puppy, and has bitten people who meant him well.

I know there is room for argument, but I'll step back from that one. I do know that I was gobsmacked when I saw the episode and I was astounded they went there. S4 was terrific, because Leonard and Penny got past the issue of just being convenient to each other. They really do want to be together.

What has always been endearing to me and what I have heard from people who watch this show, regardless of your personal preferance's of the show when it come's to the relationship's between the character's. From the beginning the core premise has been the Egghead desiring the hot chick from across the hall, so viewers have almost been in air pilot mode looking at life and the world from the point of a view of a lovable geek with social ineptness approaching life, Penny, his job with all the best intention's and with all the awkwardness in the world. And seeing Leonard's strategy on life, his relationship's, his job, Penny e.t.c. His entire behaviour was chosen based on his relationship with his mother, the way his Mother raised him caused it to physically manifest on his entire life. Now as we see Leonard grow and the show grow, we are almost seeing the show now from Penny's vantage point, after seeing Leonard chase the hot chick, and like you said they choose each other out of convenience, I mean that was really the reason they decided to date in the first place, go back to 1x17 The Tangerine Factor, choosing to date Leonard was convenient to the circumstances, dating gym guy's was clearly not working, being from Nebraska and being hot she clearly dated guy's who were more her social equal's, this had an effect on her peer's too, a side note it's amazing really Penny befriended these nerd's, it's not every day a gorgeous archetypical girl would warm to a couple of eggheads, I mean this was prooven when Alicia moved in, she took advantage of the fact they are nerd's, but gave nothing back in return, although Penny was like her she was genuine, she was almost oblivious and innocent to their geekiness and intelligence.

 

But anyway she dated Leonard for more what the heck my dating life cannot get any worser, and Leonard well he had a massive crush on her so he wasen't going to b second guessing his decision seeing he asked her. Although I remember he was regretting it later on, because they were both unsure about the whole thing, seeing they were both so different in term's of who they usually dated. Where is since Season 4 you are seeing the show from Penny's point of view you seeing Penny struggle, fixate on everything Leonard does and how this impact's her perception of thing's. So they are both equal's now, with growth their situation and circumstance's have both changed, with time come's wisdom, and that wisdom has changed their outlook on life, Penny's self actulization has changed from her idealistic, you could argue naive world views which obviousley involved wanting to be a big movie star when she was 21, ti now 27 realizing her decisions now impact all her relationship's, so her happiness and success has now been transfered to her relationship's and Leonard especially. And Leonard's self actulization has changed in the fact, he is no longer seeking the approval of women, that he has been seeing his entire life, so a women who show's him affection, love, and approval is not something Leonard is used to, you could almost argue he feel's he doesen't deserve it, hence why he has always been so submissive.

 

So I get why some people don't see the thing with Lenny, but I feel Leonard and Penny have shifted social convention on it's head, Penny with all the information at hand and with all the reason's in the world not to be with Leonard, she choose him same with Leonard. What's endering with their relationship is early on Leonard was the egghead desiring the hot chick, now as they make alteration's to their life's through their expereinces, it's Penny who is realizing the past three season's how great Leonard is, so when they get married it should be very over whelming for Leonard.  

Edited October 13, 2013 by 3ku11

[koops]

Oh I so agree with you and I think that is why you see Leonard being much more mad at Raj then Penny.  However here is the thing, as you know guys are different from girls, guys who are real friends understand the unwritten law you reference, the 'BRO CODE'.  Girls steal each others boyfriends all the time so they don't understand, it is sort of the same way we don't understand why they cry so much when they watch the "Notebook". 

 

You should read the romantic Shenny stories from this summer, they are written by girls and they have Sheldon hitting on Penny the first week Leonard is gone.  They don't understand that a true friend won't do that and will even protect your girlfriend from other guys, cause you are their friend.  Girls don't really get that, I think they are hardwired to seek the best mate they can get, so anything goes.

 

Bottom line, Raj was a dick and he violated the code.  In real life Leonard probably would have decked him.

 

I am perfectly aware this is a Safe Zone, that I never post in here and I'm about to bring the thread OT, but, frankly, I don't give a damn. This is one of the most ignorant, insulting, chauvinistic crap I have read on these forums in a long time. And, no, using the word "hardwired" does not make your post scientific or legitimate. It only makes you a pop-psychologist of the worst kind. 

[Zhalen565]

Oh I so agree with you and I think that is why you see Leonard being much more mad at Raj then Penny.  However here is the thing, as you know guys are different from girls, guys who are real friends understand the unwritten law you reference, the 'BRO CODE'.  Girls steal each others boyfriends all the time so they don't understand, it is sort of the same way we don't understand why they cry so much when they watch the "Notebook". 

 

You should read the romantic Shenny stories from this summer, they are written by girls and they have Sheldon hitting on Penny the first week Leonard is gone.  They don't understand that a true friend won't do that and will even protect your girlfriend from other guys, cause you are their friend.  Girls don't really get that, I think they are hardwired to seek the best mate they can get, so anything goes.

 

Bottom line, Raj was a dick and he violated the code.  In real life Leonard probably would have decked him.

There is a fic out there where Leonard does just that.

[vasu]

After seeing this episode... I just wanna see how Penny will react when she comes to know that Leonard showed off her topless shower video to his peers..wonder what ammunition she will unleash ....

 

and on another note... "The Disappointing Child"....geez...how humiliating......

 

for a psycology student.....penny clearly did not know the correct way of getting back at leonard...

Edited October 13, 2013 by vasu

[SRAM]

I am perfectly aware this is a Safe Zone, that I never post in here and I'm about to bring the thread OT, but, frankly, I don't give a damn. This is one of the most ignorant, insulting, chauvinistic crap I have read on these forums in a long time. And, no, using the word "hardwired" does not make your post scientific or legitimate. It only makes you a pop-psychologist of the worst kind. 

 

I respect your opinion.  I know I didn't write it well, I didn't want to be so chauvinistic, but I am not that good a writer.  But I have seen this happen a lot while I was in the military, it happens a lot there.  My main point is men and women think differently and Raj did something really bad.  I'll leave the pop-psychology crap out next time, because I'm not good explaining it.

[Occam's Chainsaw]

Long story short: Raj can be a real bastard at times.

 

They should get Stuart a doctorate in physics so he can replace Raj.

[I.Am.Molly]

Long story short: Raj can be a real bastard at times.

They should get Stuart a doctorate in physics so he can replace Raj.

NO! Haha they can't do that. Raj has his faults just like the rest of them do but I wouldn't have him replaced for anyone! He's just adorable and the show wouldn't be the same without him.

On another note, can't wait for this weeks episode. I am lookin forward to the Shamy stuff too, but Leonard and Penny are going to be snuggling under a duvet and that alone makes me more excited for this episode than I care to admit!

[terriblewaitress]

At the end of the day Leonard and Penny are currently in a happy relationship so what happened in the past and who does douchey things and who crosses lines is not as important as the fact that they both love each other, mistakes, faults, and all. 

 

Can't wait to see them snuggling under that blanket Such a little thing but just so cute that we'll get to see them just being a couple and out of the drama for once. And then there's the whole Romantic Resonance episode and that's just going to be feelings overboard. 

[Nogravitasatall]

At the end of the day Leonard and Penny are currently in a happy relationship so what happened in the past and who does douchey things and who crosses lines is not as important as the fact that they both love each other, mistakes, faults, and all.

Can't wait to see them snuggling under that blanket .

^^^^ this and Molly.

I don't mind the drama, and even when I whine about Beverly I still enjoy the highs and the lows. I also like that these two acted like idealised 21st century grownups and understood that the casual encounters were meaningless. Raj WAS a meaningless encounter and people give it so much weight. The two protagonists, who were the ones who really matter, let it go. I'm unable to articulate the arguments about choice, freedom and that nobody has dibs on anybody else until commitments are willing made, that make, in my mind, all the problems about a one night flop (not a one night stand) just um, hysterical.

THE REAL issue is when are we going see Leonard wake up at Penny's. Where is the bugger sleeping? They are dodging this. I don't think its bad, but is he doing the wombat on her? Does that make her happy and keep her commitment demons at bay?

(a wombat eats roots and leaves. You put the comma in )

[Chrismo]

Oh I so agree with you and I think that is why you see Leonard being much more mad at Raj then Penny.  However here is the thing, as you know guys are different from girls, guys who are real friends understand the unwritten law you reference, the 'BRO CODE'.  Girls steal each others boyfriends all the time so they don't understand, it is sort of the same way we don't understand why they cry so much when they watch the "Notebook". 

 

You should read the romantic Shenny stories from this summer, they are written by girls and they have Sheldon hitting on Penny the first week Leonard is gone.  They don't understand that a true friend won't do that and will even protect your girlfriend from other guys, cause you are their friend.  Girls don't really get that, I think they are hardwired to seek the best mate they can get, so anything goes.

 

Bottom line, Raj was a dick and he violated the code.  In real life Leonard probably would have decked him.

 

I am perfectly aware this is a Safe Zone, that I never post in here and I'm about to bring the thread OT, but, frankly, I don't give a damn. This is one of the most ignorant, insulting, chauvinistic crap I have read on these forums in a long time. And, no, using the word "hardwired" does not make your post scientific or legitimate. It only makes you a pop-psychologist of the worst kind. 

Ironically you both got the same amount of likes by sex. Just an observation.

[I.Am.Molly]

THE REAL issue is when are we going see Leonard wake up at Penny's. Where is the bugger sleeping? They are dodging this. I don't think its bad, but is he doing the wombat on her? Does that make her happy and keep her commitment demons at bay?

(a wombat eats roots and leaves. You put the comma in )

I always think of him as staying at her place but getting up early to leave and get ready for work. I've absolutely no evidence to support this but it makes me feel happy so that's how I see it!

Also, 'doing the wombat' cracked me up. Such a random saying and the first thing I pictures was some kind of wombat dance which is just weird. Anywayyyy.

[Tensor]

I always think of him as staying at her place but getting up early to leave and get ready for work. I've absolutely no evidence to support this but it makes me feel happy so that's how I see it!

[terriblewaitress]

THE REAL issue is when are we going see Leonard wake up at Penny's. Where is the bugger sleeping? They are dodging this. I don't think its bad, but is he doing the wombat on her? Does that make her happy and keep her commitment demons at bay?

(a wombat eats roots and leaves. You put the comma in )

I think you told me about the wombats... or was that something else? Oh I think it was 'rooting' and you mentioned the wombats! 

 

Well we did see him asleep at Penny's in S6 and he got up to read her paper. So I'm guessing he does stay over there and she stays over at his, just not all the time like especially if some mornings he has to be up earlier and she doesn't have to be up till much later and stuff. Or if she just is back from work really late. 

[SRAM]

Speaking of seeing them sleep together, I think one of the cutest scenes in the show was Sheldon getting up to find Penny dancing in the Kitchen making French Toast.  I would like something like that again.

[Nogravitasatall]

I think you told me about the wombats... or was that something else? Oh I think it was 'rooting' and you mentioned the wombats!

Well we did see him asleep at Penny's in S6 and he got up to read her paper. So I'm guessing he does stay over there and she stays over at his, just not all the time like especially if some mornings he has to be up earlier and she doesn't have to be up till much later and stuff. Or if she just is back from work really late.

So has he moved in? Or is he just doing FIFO? Fly In, Fly Out. They made a big deal of this in Spoiler. Im not whining, so much, just need things to be explained with dialogue and moving pictures. .

Maybe they will circle back.

(Also can some one throw up a happy pic please sometime)

[terriblewaitress]

Hmm. I don't think he's moved in quite yet. Though with the Romance Resonance I think we'll be getting to see more clues as to where they're at with the whole moving in thing or general moving forward thing!  

 

 

Most excited reaction ever to being told their right boob is gonna get some action. 

[I.Am.Molly]

Most excited reaction ever to being told their right boob is gonna get some action.

Most random addition to a post ever. But I like it. I like it very much. Obviously she's gonna be excited like her right has been getting neglected. It's an exciting moment for her. And for the boob.

[I.Am.Molly]

Hmm. I hadn't even realised that your fic may be the reason I think this way. It seems it really has gotten into my head. Some sort of weird combination of Hello Kitty and Chew Toy mixed with canon going on in there. Crazy stuff.

[Occam's Chainsaw]

So has he moved in? Or is he just doing FIFO? Fly In, Fly Out. They made a big deal of this in Spoiler. Im not whining, so much, just need things to be explained with dialogue and moving pictures. .

Maybe they will circle back.

(Also can some one throw up a happy pic please sometime)

No, neither has moved in with the other, and it wouldn't surprise me if they take a while to officially move in together. If you think about it, with Leonard and Penny they don't really need to take that step, most relationships would have moved to cohabitation at this point purely for convenience, but they don't need to worry about that, all they need to keep at each others apartments is a bathrobe. They essentially own the fourth floor, so it is more like they have separate bedrooms in one really big apartment.

[Nogravitasatall]

Hmm. I don't think he's moved in quite yet. Though with the Romance Resonance I think we'll be getting to see more clues as to where they're at with the whole moving in thing or general moving forward thing!

Most excited reaction ever to being told their right boob is gonna get some action.

My wife got that joke on Sunday, 2 days later. As we walked along a beach. Random. For some reason she thought they were talking about him dressing to the right. She pays less attention than me. Lol.

[SodidIwin?]

Long story short: Raj can be a real bastard at times.

 

They should get Stuart a doctorate in physics so he can replace Raj.

 

Long story short: Raj can be a real bastard at times.

 

They should get Stuart a doctorate in physics so he can replace Raj.

 

I think Raj's best friend said it best. When Penny said Raj can be a jerk when he drinks and Howard states He always acts like a jerk you just don't see it! IMHO Raj is the worst friend a person could possibly have. The only reason he is there is the comedic connection he and Howard have. But from a human stand point he is the least trust worthy person possible. I also agree with a poster earlier that in real life his male companions would not have been so understanding and I'm putting that very mildly. Don't forget he tried hitting on Penny when he was in People magazine. That was when all of Leonard's friends knew how he felt about Penny. The man has no and I mean no class!

 

I agree with you Stuart is a better person then Raj but then just about anyone would be. JMO.

[JonRS92]

I think Raj's best friend said it best. When Penny said Raj can be a jerk when he drinks and Howard states He always acts like a jerk you just don't see it! IMHO Raj is the worst friend a person could possibly have. The only reason he is there is the comedic connection he and Howard have. But from a human stand point he is the least trust worthy person possible. I also agree with a poster earlier that in real life his male companions would not have been so understanding and I'm putting that very mildly. Don't forget he tried hitting on Penny when he was in People magazine. That was when all of Leonard's friends knew how he felt about Penny. The man has no and I mean no class!

 

I agree with you Stuart is a better person then Raj but then just about anyone would be. JMO.

 

I absolutely despised Raj for all of season 5.  However, I think he is starting to get to be a better person.  For the first time in their relationship, Raj stepped in to try and help Leonard and Penny in 6.1.  Now in the romance resonance episode, Penny will go to him for help in her relationship and he seems to legitimately offer some help.  As such he is getting better and better.  Bernie is the one who is starting to move down the list as far as I am concerned.

[SodidIwin?]

I absolutely despised Raj for all of season 5.  However, I think he is starting to get to be a better person.  For the first time in their relationship, Raj stepped in to try and help Leonard and Penny in 6.1.  Now in the romance resonance episode, Penny will go to him for help in her relationship and he seems to legitimately offer some help.  As such he is getting better and better.  Bernie is the one who is starting to move down the list as far as I am concerned.

 

The writers always need at least one character, shall we say, a little more nefarious then the others. Maybe the writers feel that Raj paid his dues and with Bernie's mean side (which she plays so well) it's her time for the villain. Whatever, as a Lenny fan I'll never forgive him. But that's just me. I'm a very revengeful person. But I don't have access to the toxins Bernie does.

[3ku11]

I think Raj's best friend said it best. When Penny said Raj can be a jerk when he drinks and Howard states He always acts like a jerk you just don't see it! IMHO Raj is the worst friend a person could possibly have. The only reason he is there is the comedic connection he and Howard have. But from a human stand point he is the least trust worthy person possible. I also agree with a poster earlier that in real life his male companions would not have been so understanding and I'm putting that very mildly. Don't forget he tried hitting on Penny when he was in People magazine. That was when all of Leonard's friends knew how he felt about Penny. The man has no and I mean no class!

 

I agree with you Stuart is a better person then Raj but then just about anyone would be. JMO.

Not defending Raj or any of his action's at all, but all of the occasions he is acted out of place, or deceived any of his friend's is when he has been drinking. In S2  when he took Penny to his People Magazine launch he was drunk, and we all know then Raj can only talk to Penny when he is drinking, when he drink's it's almost like he turns into Super Raj Abilities: Cool, Suave, not getting red in the face when I talk to Penny haha, so it's almost like his alter ego. I remember in the morning he apologized, I feel Raj being from another culture, is probably used to another way when it come's to cultural differences, the way people converse, I also think the pressure from his parent's in getting married and the fact they probably want to arrange a marrage for him, they tried last season has always been a factor to why he can be a jerk at time's. As for Howard's statement I remember that in S4, they were hanging out because they were trying to avoid Amy haha, Howard may have been over exagerrating, but Raj generally can be condesending in his nature, but when he drink's he's almost like Super Raj on Morphine lol. And of course with Penny, Penny was obviousley intoxicated and blacked out, if Raj acted more responsibly, and acted with some common courtesey he would of seen in his drunken state Penny was vulnrable.

 

I mean if I was Raj and Penny was sober, I would run it by Leonard first, because a true friend does not take advantage of his girl, because let's be honest Penny even when he was with Priya she had been his girl from the pilot, I don't blame Raj, although I still probably woulden't regardless of the circumstances, their's more to Penny then just her obvious physical beauty. Raj you could argue 1. Wanted to get back at Leonard for his relationship with Priya and 2. You forget up till the finalie of S4 Raj was really lonely he went on a few disaster date's, I feel deep down although Raj does care about his friend's he has a wicked streak that can come out when drinking, look at how he was with Summer Glau on the train, look at ADD S3, the way he was making fun of Howard for sleeping with his cousin lol. So I can understand people's pre-disposition to Raj is too feel he is a jerk and not a true friend. Because the S4 finalie had no real lasting effect on the show or the characters, it was a one time thing the writer's did for a plot device, it was kinda last moment shock value for a finalie, to add hype and buzz over the summer. It happened in the last moment's of the season, from the writer's stand point Penny was only in that position because of her break up with Leonard and Leonard's relationship with Priya, so Raj and Penny bonded or had that fact they both despised that relationship, the fact they diddn't go all the way and diddn't actually have sex is an important factor too me, it tell's me it was pretty much over when Raj you know what.

 

So when they woke up the next morning they pretty were back to normal, and status quo resumed, I mean Penny didn't even know who was in bed with her, that show's you how intoxicated she was and the fact she blacked out, this is also tell's me she was not in a great emotional state, I mean she even told Raj when they were drinking she woulden't sleep with him because they are friend's, so that obviousley implie's regardless of her state of mind, and the place she was in her life at that point she still had a sense of depth perception. To me Raj should of been more responsible, but like I said once he drink's he turns from well meaning Raj, to Super Raj with a wicked streak, but to me it happened in the final second's of a finalie for shock value, and they pretty much nearly threw the show under the bus, but it was never meant to be anything serious or show defining, it was meant to be a wam bam for the sake of a shock value finalie, a plot device to add hype over the summer. Like I have said before the writer's learnt from this experience, they really tested the water's with that finalie, it's three year's since, in a seven season show comparitively speaking Lenny are back on track, Sheldon and Amy are well Sheldon and Amy haha, Howard and Bernadette are married, and Raj is still lonely, so till me how now is any different then any other time in the show.

[Nogravitasatall]

3ku11, Raj made me so angry once I started a thread to complain about him. Not at all because of Penny, but because he has treated all the women he has interacted with as objects most of the time. He has deep problems. He and Howard were very disturbing, Raj maybe more so than Howard, because at least Howard was visibly a creep in S1-3 and Raj looks like a nice quiet guy. THEY always look like nice quiet guys, who never make trouble and keep to themselves. Everytime he has talked about his relationship with women its been to discuss how he will eventually get his leg over. Its not until s6 he actually engaged with women. And even then he was horrible on girls night to Amy and horrible about Alex earlier in S6. Kripke now has the job of being more disgusting as shown with the jibe about the toys. And Stuart is having a moderating effect. Also, Penny and Leonard like Raj, so maybe he is worth hanging in for. But for a while there I did not like him, again, not because of Penny.

Edited October 14, 2013 by Nogravitasatall