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I can see Penny giving Leonard his own key in season 6, they were doing a lot of domestic things near the end.  Also I could see Sheldon putting the emergency key on his key ring, while Leonard was away, because after all it was only him then.  The sudden absence of the locket bothers me more.  I hope we see her wearing it again.

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Maybe Sheldon just put that key on his keyring when he suspected Penny of cheating on Leonard in case he needed to do something so drastic as to 'catch them in the act'. Because then, Leonard could have still used that emergency key to get into Penny's apartment to surprise her, and put it back afterwards to cover up all his tracks. Sheldon would have noticed the missing key in the bowl. This way, we still get to see Leonard receiving a key to Penny's apartment and it kind of explains Sheldon having a key. Or, Leonard already has a key to Penny's apartment, so Sheldon now owns the emergency one.

TBH if I was Penny I would be insulted by Sheldon's accusation that she was cheating on Leonard, the fact that was the immediate conclusion he jumped too, when Penny has never given Sheldon or anyone any other reason that their should be another guy in their, she has always been completely faithful to Leonard, not that she has any reason not to be but just saying. I understand the information he has at hand and the fact Sheldon is a very analytical person who make's decision based on the present, so he diddn't know Leonard was home, but to even contemplate Penny would be cheating, especially considering only the day before Penny was telling Sheldon how much she misses Leonard is bit odd but anyway. 

Unless you postulate that Leonard used the key to open the door, then ran back over his apartment to replace the key in the bowl. It's much easier to think that Sheldon and Leonard both have keys. Not to mention there are multiple keys on the keyring, why would there be multiple keys on the ring if it was only the ring to Penny's apartment? Can you show us that it wasn't Sheldon's key ring?

Or Leonard kicked her door down and quickley rang the apartment manger to re arrange a new door haha

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TBH if I was Penny I would be insulted by Sheldon's accusation that she was cheating on Leonard, the fact that was the immediate conclusion he jumped too, when Penny has never given Sheldon or anyone any other reason that their should be another guy in their, she has always been completely faithful to Leonard, not that she has any reason not to be but just saying. I understand the information he has at hand and the fact Sheldon is a very analytical person who make's decision based on the present, so he diddn't know Leonard was home, but to even contemplate Penny would be cheating, especially considering only the day before Penny was telling Sheldon how much she misses Leonard is bit odd but anyway. 

Or Leonard kicked her door down and quickley rang the apartment manger to re arrange a new door haha

But what else was he suppose to think?

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When I observed this back in 7.02 this very thing popped in my head and I was upset about it.

 

I don't know if we are suppose to count when Leonard open the door after the delivery of Penny's entertainment center.  I do know that from the point Leonard and Penny have been dating we have never seen Leonard open her door with her key on his key ring. 

I think Leonard gave Sheldon a key to her apartment before he left anyway, I think that's implied anyway, although Leonard made his way in Penny's apartment, where as Sheldon tried to barge in without knocking.

But what else was he suppose to think?

That's my point he should of had more trust in confidence in Penny to consider their has to be a logical explanation, it was not really about considering the variables of what was going on, it was the fact his initial reaction was Penny must be cheating, the way he put that all together so quickly, if I was Penny I would be insulted.

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Unless you postulate that Leonard used the key to open the door, then ran back over his apartment to replace the key in the bowl. It's much easier to think that Sheldon and Leonard both have keys. Not to mention there are multiple keys on the keyring, why would there be multiple keys on the ring if it was only the ring to Penny's apartment? Can you show us that it wasn't Sheldon's key ring?

 

I just assumed that he went in, got the key and unlocked Penny's door and put the keys back.  I just brought up the building manager as the other explanation.  And it is possible that both of Leonard and Sheldon have keys, but that would not make much sense.  They have the key as an emergency backup for Penny.  It is not like they are supposed to be using it to go over and make themselves at home (well, maybe Leonard is allowed to do that now :) ).  There could be any number of reasons why there would be multiple keys on a spare keyring.  I have a spare key ring with my father's car key, apartment key, building key, mother's car key, and mother's house key.  It is all in case of emergency.  In addition to Penny's apartment key there could be the spare key to Leonard's car, maybe spare office keys, who knows?  And to address your final comment.  I can't prove it isn't Sheldon's key ring, just like no one can prove it is.  That was my whole point.  I thought it was a stretch to associate Sheldon having a key to imply some kind of changing relationship between him and Penny.  But do I know that is not the case?  Nope.  Just like I have no idea if I am right about the spare key ring.

 

Yup, there's the need for Lenny drama I mentioned up-thread. This key thing is really not worth stressing out over.

 

Agreed. 

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I just assumed that he went in, got the key and unlocked Penny's door and put the keys back.  I just brought up the building manager as the other explanation.  And it is possible that both of Leonard and Sheldon have keys, but that would not make much sense.  They have the key as an emergency backup for Penny.  It is not like they are supposed to be using it to go over and make themselves at home (well, maybe Leonard is allowed to do that now :) ).  There could be any number of reasons why there would be multiple keys on a spare keyring.  I have a spare key ring with my father's car key, apartment key, building key, mother's car key, and mother's house key.  It is all in case of emergency.  In addition to Penny's apartment key there could be the spare key to Leonard's car, maybe spare office keys, who knows?  And to address your final comment.  I can't prove it isn't Sheldon's key ring, just like no one can prove it is.  That was my whole point.  I thought it was a stretch to associate Sheldon having a key to imply some kind of changing relationship between him and Penny.  But do I know that is not the case?  Nope.  Just like I have no idea if I am right about the spare key ring.

 

 

Agreed. 

Most likely Leonard gave Sheldon a key to Penny's apartment before he left, seeing he did tell her to look after her while he was gone. Just like associating who walked up the stairs first with Penny Leonard, Sheldon, Howard, or Raj is a complete disassociation from a relationship with Penny. Basing Sheldon's relationship with Penny officially changed based on having a key to her apartment, a key he has probably always had seeing they have been neighbours for seven year's is like you said a stretch, remember back in S1 Penny was the one who gave the key to Leonard then asked for it back when Sheldon tried to clean her apartment, so case closed :).

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Actually it makes sense that Sheldon would have a key, after all why wouldn't Penny want her house cleaning service to have a key.

What's the bet that the reason why Penny's apartment is so tidy now, because Sheldon has secretly for 3 years now been cleaning her apartment through out the night lol I'm kiddin obiviousley.

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I just thought it would be a nice gesture to see. I'm totally not stressed about it. It's just significant to hand over a key to your lover. Not drama. And there was the locket. I formed this thought about the key back in s6, some time ago. And we are getting more. But the guy that vacuums your floors; sure, give him a key. It's only logical. :). (I'm not sure if the complete lack of sarcasm is coming across).

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I just thought it would be a nice gesture to see. I'm totally not stressed about it. It's just significant to hand over a key to your lover. Not drama. And there was the locket. I formed this thought about the key back in s6, some time ago. And we are getting more.

Sorry, I wasn't commenting on that part. I completely agree and would like to see that too. I was refering to the signifigance of Sheldon supposedly having his own key to Penny's place. I think he probably just grabbed it out of the bowl off-camera, as they were heading over.

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I don't think Penny's reaction when Sheldon let himself in was to the fact he had a key, it was that he just burst in without knocking. The thing I loved about this scene was Penny shouting "That's not right" and Sheldon taking it to mean he had to knock three times and say Penny before he could enter, like a magic spell.

I do find it funny how we are given insight into how things were over the summer by all the things mentioned by Sheldon that weren't the way they had been all summer.

One thing I would love to see in an episode that is the equivalent to "The Recombination Hypothesis" for Penny. Assuming the writers were dead serious in their use of the artifice, then we got a very clear view into Leonard's feelings about Penny and what he expected would happen if they tried to get together. I take from it a couple of things. First, he is sure that Penny firmly believes that he won't break up with her. Second, that they will likely fight and have misundersrandings, but Penny won't dump him. Third, he will call Penny out on her crap, and she will still have sex with him. The first has proven not to be true after Alex. Penny is afraid he could dump her. The other two other points seem to be the new paradigm in their relationship. A full episode from inside Penny's head could be very interesting.

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Sorry, I wasn't commenting on that part. I completely agree and would like to see that too. I was refering to the signifigance of Sheldon supposedly having his own key to Penny's place. I think he probably just grabbed it out of the bowl off-camera, as they were heading over.

Cool. Except for Beverly and the borderline bad treatment of kids take me as relatively relaxed and humourful.

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I just assumed that he went in, got the key and unlocked Penny's door and put the keys back.  I just brought up the building manager as the other explanation.

Leonard having his own key would be another. See the tag for "The Contractual Obligation Implementation" Leonard enters Penny's apartment and has keys in his hand. The most logical explanation there is that he has a key. Unless you want to speculate that he just kept the keys in his hand all the way from the car.

 

And it is possible that both of Leonard and Sheldon have keys, but that would not make much sense.  They have the key as an emergency backup for Penny.  It is not like they are supposed to be using it to go over and make themselves at home (well, maybe Leonard is allowed to do that now :) ).

Sheldon needs it as a emergency backup (actually Penny does also). It wouldn't be a good idea to have Leonard walking around with your emergency backup key(this would be prior to his leaving) but having a backup key at the apartment and Leonard having his own makes sense. Actually, what makes sense is to have the emergency backup key in the guys' bowl and Leonard having his own key.  

 

There could be any number of reasons why there would be multiple keys on a spare keyring.  I have a spare key ring with my father's car key, apartment key, building key, mother's car key, and mother's house key.  It is all in case of emergency.

Penny would be better off hanging her spare building key and car keys in her apartment. It's not like Sheldon needs the spare building key and he can't drive so giving him her car keys isn't very useful. The only key Sheldon needs on that key ring is her apartment key, and it would be easier to just put in on his keyring. Although, as I pointed out, it doesn't make much sense to carry it around.

 

In addition to Penny's apartment key there could be the spare key to Leonard's car, maybe spare office keys, who knows?

A key ring with Leonard's car keys and Penny's apartment key on it? Much less his spare office keys. Do you really think that Sheldon would put all those disparate keys on one key ring?

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One thing I would love to see in an episode is the eqivalent to "The Recombination Hypothesis" for Penny. Assuming the writers were dead serious in their use of the artifice, then we got a very clear view into Leonard's feelings about Penny and what he expected would happen if they tried to get together. I take from it a couple of things. First, he is sure that Penny firmly believes that he won't break up with her. Second, that they will likely fight and have misundersrandings, but Penny won't dump him. Third, he will call Penny out on her crap, and she will still have sex with him. The first has proven not to be true after Alex. Penny is afraid he could dump her. The other two other points seem to be the new paradigm in their relationship. A full episode from inside Penny's head could be very interesting.

 

About the bold part, I would love to see this happen.  I have been wanting something like this for a long time.

 

I had two things I really wanted to see :  1) Penny doing something romantic for Leonard and that is happening in 7.06.  2) And an episode that allow us into Penny's head the same way we did with Leonard.

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Not sure if that ep would be neccessary, we already know why after all this time they are together, not sure how a vantage point episode from her pov would shed any more light on why she want's to be with Leonard, not saying it woulden't be an interesting concept but it doesen't interest me I don't need any validation why they are together JMO.

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I think that when she proposes it would be great to see it from her perspective.

Yeah I would up for that episode when it come's to a proposal, but just a general why is Penny dating Leonard, I think that has been established by now haha even if their is some confusion.

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SORRY GOT TO THIS KEY THING LATE ... Penny gave a key to the boys back in S1  emergency KEY and the Boys gave her one  also S1 .. do you not all remember this .....

 

 

ON another TOPIC ... Penny is wearing the LOCKET again  in the next EP .... :biggrin:  :biggrin: :biggrin:  :biggrin:  :biggrin:  :biggrin:  :biggrin:  :biggrin:  :biggrin:  


I can see Penny giving Leonard his own key in season 6, they were doing a lot of domestic things near the end.  Also I could see Sheldon putting the emergency key on his key ring, while Leonard was away, because after all it was only him then.  The sudden absence of the locket bothers me more.  I hope we see her wearing it again.

Leonard already has a key .... and she is WEARING the locket again  .... S7 E6 ....

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SORRY GOT TO THIS KEY THING LATE ... Penny gave a key to the boys back in S1 emergency KEY and the Boys gave her one also S1 .. do you not all remember this .....

ON another TOPIC ... Penny is wearing the LOCKET again in the next EP .... :biggrin::biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

Thats what I said, I remember Leonard gave her keys back, but then he apologised and things were sweet again, and the guys helped her with her entertainment cntr. So either off screen Sheldon got one of her keys from the bowl, or Leonard gave Sheldon emergency key, or he already has one. Either way its just a key lol.

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^^^ you guys. Its just a token gesture that would have been nice any time after ep 100. Its been rendered sort of irrelevent but if it meant something to another viewer and they gave it significance, then it has significance. Its like the Raj and Penny thing writ really teeny small. In one sense its not a big deal, lots of people have sex. Yet, not that many people exchange keys.

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Not prying. Sorry, I was really admiring the ease in which you reached an explanation. id have to struggle harder. (In yoga too).

thanks for giving me the benefit of doubt and not yelling.

Ha ha it's ok just seemed rather random! Maybe that does help. I just think of these things from another perspective. With writing I think about why and how something we see has happened - so with the key, just, how did it get there and what's the reason for this person having it, etc. With acting I think about that journey of the item/person etc in relation to the character and its real significance. So in my mind things just easily form like that, even with an item such as a key! 

 

TBH if I was Penny I would be insulted by Sheldon's accusation that she was cheating on Leonard, the fact that was the immediate conclusion he jumped too, when Penny has never given Sheldon or anyone any other reason that their should be another guy in their, she has always been completely faithful to Leonard, not that she has any reason not to be but just saying. I understand the information he has at hand and the fact Sheldon is a very analytical person who make's decision based on the present, so he diddn't know Leonard was home, but to even contemplate Penny would be cheating, especially considering only the day before Penny was telling Sheldon how much she misses Leonard is bit odd but anyway. 

Or Leonard kicked her door down and quickley rang the apartment manger to re arrange a new door haha

She probably was, but then he did it out of caring for Leonard and not wanting Penny to be doing such things. We all make instant assumptions like that that are wrong but that's always out of caring rather than wanting them to be doing something bad or thinking they're a bad person. 

 

Tbh, it's a key. Like... lets not be getting all hyped up and huffy about a freakin' key when we don't know what's happening with it yet. If we see Leonard opening the door using a key then he has a key. Most of the time Sheldon has the courtesy to knock on the door so we can assume that he does not have key but they have an emergency key. 

 

And an episode from Penny's perspective would be pretty damn awesome.

 

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She got the locket on! :) 

 

I love that she got a tambourine. That's just funny ha ha. Ah Leonard and his cello. I like that it's making more appearances these days. (Okay so three throughout the show that's not bad) Now I will refrain from making inappropriate string instrument jokes :) 

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