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I love it when people sign up on a forum just to come on and post something ridiculously over the top like this.  Feel free to stop watching, if you don't like it.  That's the way of the world.

Because the OP explicitly stated "a host of BEHAVIORAL DISEASES that merit incarceration and lithium". There's a big difference between being a deliberate pain in the arse because you do not care abou

LOL, I hope to God you don't work as a psychiatrist/psychologist/therapist of any kind.

Yes and it was a complete betrayal of friendship to mess up Sheldon's arctic results, which set his career back years. Then being too busy trying to get Penny in bed, to even care Sheldon had quit his job and left Pascedena. There are many things that would have affected real life friendships. Like Raj getting in bed with Penny. But we are require to suspend our disbelief and accept the characters have gotten over these things. It's what comedy does.

 

I also don't think Sheldon is despicable, there are far more despicable characters on TV than him. He needs is routines. This has been established time and time again. When he almost has a breakdown over something like not getting a haircut on time.

And Priya didn't stop after she won the shower argument, she taunted him further. She arranged for the guys to change the dinner schedule, to food he hated. This forced him to retreat to Penny's apartment. I believe his routines are much more than just getting his own way, I think they are linked to his mental stability. He needs structure and Leonard knows this.

 

Generally it's not the roommate agreement or the routine inflexibility that I don't like. It's the new, bigoted, red neck Sheldon who seems to have left his brains at the door.

 

Thanks for pointing the Arctic thing...... it raises nice points on how the writers attitude is towards their characters..

 

Priya's taunting led Sheldon to do the blackmailing..... so he gets what he wants.....so Sheldon wins and gathers the audiences hearts given how the scene plays....meanwhile Leonard who was completely betrayed by his best friend and his girl friend does not even get an ounce of sympathy....

 

similarly Sheldon's taunting led the guy's(Leonard's idea of course) to mess up his results (its easy to forget that his actual results were also a failure) ...so Sheldon gets betrayed....but the writers here try to gather all the sympathy towards Sheldon....all the crying scenes etc etc..

 

So even thought Sheldon was on the opposite ends in both those events , the writers want the audience so side with Sheldon......

 

and similarly there are many fluctuations going on with his character...in one the episodes where Howard's big opportunity was messed by Sheldon , Sheldon goes through a big guilt trip....yet suddenly in season 6 finale he had no trouble in genuinely trying to stop Leonard from going on that trip....what happened to his guilt...was it overridden by his jealousy...

 

Oh and I never said Sheldon was despicable..what he did in that scene was despicable...

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Thanks for pointing the Arctic thing...... it raises nice points on how the writers attitude is towards their characters..

 

Priya's taunting led Sheldon to do the blackmailing..... so he gets what he wants.....so Sheldon wins and gathers the audiences hearts given how the scene plays....meanwhile Leonard who was completely betrayed by his best friend and his girl friend does not even get an ounce of sympathy....

 

similarly Sheldon's taunting led the guy's(Leonard's idea of course) to mess up his results (its easy to forget that his actual results were also a failure) ...so Sheldon gets betrayed....but the writers here try to gather all the sympathy towards Sheldon....all the crying scenes etc etc..

 

So even thought Sheldon was on the opposite ends in both those events , the writers want the audience so side with Sheldon......

 

and similarly there are many fluctuations going on with his character...in one the episodes where Howard's big opportunity was messed by Sheldon , Sheldon goes through a big guilt trip....yet suddenly in season 6 finale he had no trouble in genuinely trying to stop Leonard from going on that trip....what happened to his guilt...was it overridden by his jealousy...

 

Oh and I never said Sheldon was despicable..what he did in that scene was despicable...

 

I keep seeing posts about Sheldon not getting results in the arctic as some proof of his own personal failure. Of course the results were negative! Every physicist is looking for background radiation from the Big Bang. They couldn't have it be a success, it would be ridiculous. They can't write history on the show in that way.

 

Sheldon coming back with negative results would not be unexpected by the university or anyone and it wouldn't affect his career. Even CERN are getting results which are not supporting the current theories. Background radiation is also the same reason why Leonard is doing research for Stephen Hawking.  Actually I thought it was a bit of a kick in the teeth to Sheldon, having Leonard researching the same thing. Sheldon's already had a blow to his career this season, they could have had Leonard research something else.

 

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I keep seeing posts about Sheldon not getting results in the arctic as some proof of his own personal failure. Of course the results were negative! Every physicist is looking for background radiation from the Big Bang. They couldn't have it be a success, it would be ridiculous. They can't write history on the show in that way.

 

Sheldon coming back with negative results would not be unexpected by the university or anyone and it wouldn't affect his career. Even CERN are getting results which are not supporting the current theories. Background radiation is also the same reason why Leonard is doing research for Stephen Hawking.  Actually I thought it was a bit of a kick in the teeth to Sheldon, having Leonard researching the same thing. Sheldon's already had a blow to his career this season, they could have had Leonard research something else.

 

 

But we are required to suspend our disbelief .... because that's what comedy does.....

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I keep seeing posts about Sheldon not getting results in the arctic as some proof of his own personal failure. Of course the results were negative! Every physicist is looking for background radiation from the Big Bang. They couldn't have it be a success, it would be ridiculous. They can't write history on the show in that way.

 

Sheldon coming back with negative results would not be unexpected by the university or anyone and it wouldn't affect his career. Even CERN are getting results which are not supporting the current theories. Background radiation is also the same reason why Leonard is doing research for Stephen Hawking.  Actually I thought it was a bit of a kick in the teeth to Sheldon, having Leonard researching the same thing. Sheldon's already had a blow to his career this season, they could have had Leonard research something else.

 

 

They are also looking for gravitational radiation in the Mediterranean sea using deep sea telescopes. It's not the same process as Leonard's trip to the North Sea which is hydrodynamics but it's nothing new. I also thought it was a bit off that Sheldon has been faltering in his career and now Leonard has gone off with the prize in a way. I just hope they have some good science for Sheldon next season. 

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I just saw the Nerdvana Annihilation, from early season one, and I really like THAT Sheldon. He was a loyal friend and much more of a straight man. You could love that guy. You could root for that guy!

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Actually the character and premise of Sheldon would have been lost and unberable from the get go if it wasen't for Jim Parsons, he fuses a balance of arrogance, egotism, and humility which makes the character of Sheldon work. So does he get annoying sometimes? All the time! I loved the scene when Penny punched him in the face, because that suppresed my annoyance with him haha, but most of the time he is the heart of the show and cannot imagine the show without him.


They are also looking for gravitational radiation in the Mediterranean sea using deep sea telescopes. It's not the same process as Leonard's trip to the North Sea which is hydrodynamics but it's nothing new. I also thought it was a bit off that Sheldon has been faltering in his career and now Leonard has gone off with the prize in a way. I just hope they have some good science for Sheldon next season. 

Well seeing Sheldon has been giving Leonard greif for years about how he is just an experimental physicist and thats it, I think Leonard deserves some success and Sheldon well just have to suck it up for now.

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The only real reference to Sheldon's mental condition is the running joke: "I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested".   If they intended for people to believe that Sheldon actually had a mental disorder they would have said so.

Spot on!

The line is not: "My Mother had me tested, I'm on the Autistic Spectrum."

He WAS tested. His issues are typical of the arrested social development that often accompanies high intelligence; no interest in playing immature playground games with children his own age but unable to connect with those closer to his own IQ due to the age gap, no college kid hangs out with an 11 year old.

The (much hated in some circles) growth in his character reflects this.

The 'follow up with the specialist in Houston' would likely be in order to develop better social skills.

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Spot on!

The line is not: "My Mother had me tested, I'm on the Autistic Spectrum."

He WAS tested. His issues are typical of the arrested social development that often accompanies high intelligence; no interest in playing immature playground games with children his own age but unable to connect with those closer to his own IQ due to the age gap, no college kid hangs out with an 11 year old.

The (much hated in some circles) growth in his character reflects this.

The 'follow up with the specialist in Houston' would likely be in order to develop better social skills.

 

To be fair, and if, as according to my calculations Sheldon was born in 1980, even if he was tested when he was a kid, they wouldn't have diagnosed him as Aspergers or within the Austism Espectrum. Asperger's wasn't included on the DSM until the mid-80's and wasn't known within the medical community until the late 90's.

I know this, because I was born in 1982 and my mother had me tested multiple times due to some behaviours ever since I was a baby (I wouldn't cry, I didn't like to he held, my mom couldn't even brestfeed me because I didn't like the contact so she had to pump and feed me through a bottle, I would sit still for long periods of time and I didn't speak a word until I was 4).

She had me tested to rule out I was deaf, deaf-mute, mental retardation, and enourmous amount of things. She had me tested constantly until I was 5 and started speaking sentences (when I was 4 I only started saying "water"). No Doctor ever told her about Autism at all, she always said that the answer she would get was "Einstein didn't speak until he was 4, don't worry, she's very smart".

She then had me tested again when I was 6 since they found out at School I had Dysgraphia, and I was treated, but nothing else.

I was already 25 when my sister started studying Autism at College (she's a Psychiatrist now) and she recognized the behavioral patterns and took me to see one of her Professors who is an Autism Specialist and just then I was diagnosed.

For some reason Sheldon's "my mother had me tested" reminds me of my mom testing me.

Anyhow, even if the fact that Sheldon's mother had him tested doesn't rule out Aspergers or any level of Autism, it is still not proof either that he has it.... Other than his obvious OCD that was mentioned by Amy.

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To be fair, and if, as according to my calculations Sheldon was born in 1980, even if he was tested when he was a kid, they wouldn't have diagnosed him as Aspergers or within the Austism Espectrum. Asperger's wasn't included on the DSM until the mid-80's and wasn't known within the medical community until the late 90's.

I know this, because I was born in 1982 and my mother had me tested multiple times due to some behaviours ever since I was a baby (I wouldn't cry, I didn't like to he held, my mom couldn't even brestfeed me because I didn't like the contact so she had to pump and feed me through a bottle, I would sit still for long periods of time and I didn't speak a word until I was 4).

She had me tested to rule out I was deaf, deaf-mute, mental retardation, and enourmous amount of things. She had me tested constantly until I was 5 and started speaking sentences (when I was 4 I only started saying "water"). No Doctor ever told her about Autism at all, she always said that the answer she would get was "Einstein didn't speak until he was 4, don't worry, she's very smart".

She then had me tested again when I was 6 since they found out at School I had Dysgraphia, and I was treated, but nothing else.

I was already 25 when my sister started studying Autism at College (she's a Psychiatrist now) and she recognized the behavioral patterns and took me to see one of her Professors who is an Autism Specialist and just then I was diagnosed.

For some reason Sheldon's "my mother had me tested" reminds me of my mom testing me.

Anyhow, even if the fact that Sheldon's mother had him tested doesn't rule out Aspergers or any level of Autism, it is still not proof either that he has it.... Other than his obvious OCD that was mentioned by Amy.

Yes, according to the show the fact that Sheldon's mother had him checked does rule out Aspergers because....IT'S NOT REAL.   There realy isn't a live person named Sheldon Cooper who is a physicist and his mother had him checked to see if he is crazy.   The show is make-believe and whether or not in the 80's Aspergers was not diagnosed correcty is immaterial as far as the show goes.   When watching a show with fictional characters you have to accept what they tell you concerning the characters. 

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Yes, according to the show the fact that Sheldon's mother had him checked does rule out Aspergers because....IT'S NOT REAL. There realy isn't a live person named Sheldon Cooper who is a physicist and his mother had him checked to see if he is crazy. The show is make-believe and whether or not in the 80's Aspergers was not diagnosed correcty is immaterial as far as the show goes. When watching a show with fictional characters you have to accept what they tell you concerning the characters.

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Yes, according to the show the fact that Sheldon's mother had him checked does rule out Aspergers because....IT'S NOT REAL.   There realy isn't a live person named Sheldon Cooper who is a physicist and his mother had him checked to see if he is crazy.   The show is make-believe and whether or not in the 80's Aspergers was not diagnosed correcty is immaterial as far as the show goes.   When watching a show with fictional characters you have to accept what they tell you concerning the characters. 

The reasoning in the quoted paragraph is absurd.

 

It is perfectly legitimate to bring up points of reference related to the decade during which Mary Cooper would have had Sheldon tested. It makes no difference that he is a fictional character since the character in the show was born in a place and time that corresponds to our reality.

 

Even if what I just said was not true even the character Mary Cooper has the following to say which confirms she thinks he was/is in need of some professional help.

 

S5E6 from http://bigbangtrans.wordpress.com/series-5-episode-06-the-rhinitis-revelation/

 

 

Mrs Cooper: Actually, I had him tested as a child. Doctor says he’s fine.

Sheldon: Told you.

Mrs Cooper: Although, I do regret not following up with that specialist in Houston.

 

And later in the same episode

 

Mrs Cooper: Sweetheart, you are a grown man.

Sheldon: Or maybe I’m part of a new species, that lives for hundreds of years, which means I’m still basically a toddler.

Mrs Cooper: Oh, I so should have taken you to Houston.

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I have stopped watching TBBT because Sheldon, the host of behavioural diseases that merit incarceration and Lithium, always seems to win.  He never pays for his egocentric abuse of everyone else, his narcisism, his smarmy self-satisfaction.  Even Penny punching his whining face doesn't make the abuse bearable.  In anything resembling a real world, he would have his ass kicked by everyone within a half mile,  And he deserves it!

Yeah, go ahead, flame me, tell me how wonderful Sheldon is. 

I respect your right to be horribly wrong.

I sort of agree with you, at least in terms of finding Sheldon to be unlikeable. He is played brilliantly by Parsons and his bizarre behavior is a big part of why the show is funny. My main objection is how the 3 other characters, who are highly intelligent people, are constantly bowing down to Sheldon. I know some very average people who would easily spar with Sheldon, so why can't the other characters more frequently out duel Cooper? I enjoy the show far more when the others aren't giving in to his every whim. I think that is one reason I love it when Kripke is in an episode. Kripke is a natural foil for Sheldon and I wish Howard and Leonard would be likewise far more often. In short, I enjoy the Sheldon character but have a hard time believing he can get away with a lot of his behavior.

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I sort of agree with you, at least in terms of finding Sheldon to be unlikeable. He is played brilliantly by Parsons and his bizarre behavior is a big part of why the show is funny. My main objection is how the 3 other characters, who are highly intelligent people, are constantly bowing down to Sheldon. I know some very average people who would easily spar with Sheldon, so why can't the other characters more frequently out duel Cooper? I enjoy the show far more when the others aren't giving in to his every whim. I think that is one reason I love it when Kripke is in an episode. Kripke is a natural foil for Sheldon and I wish Howard and Leonard would be likewise far more often. In short, I enjoy the Sheldon character but have a hard time believing he can get away with a lot of his behavior.

 

Amy calls him out on some of his behaviour, and he actually listens and changes his actions accordingly .

 

Howard, Raj and Leonard are simply not as smart as Sheldon.

They are ahead of him on other aspects of life, but when it comes to pure intellect, only Amy and maybe Kripke can keep up with him.

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Asperger's did not appear in the DSM until its 4th edition came out in 1994. It was removed from the fifth edition, which was released this year. All of the pervasive developmental disorders (Autism, Asperger's Syndrome, Rett's Syndrome, etc.) were combined into "Autism Spectrum Disorder" in the DSM-5.

However, "Autism" did exist when Sheldon was a child and presumably tested. Rainman (with Tom Cruise and Dustin Hoffman) was released in the 1980s and Hoffman's character had Autism. Temple Grandin was diagnosed with Autism as a child and she is old enough to be Sheldon's mother. She appeared on the Oprah Winfrey show in the 1980s, around the time Rainman came out in the movie theatres. It was not called "Autism Spectrum Disorder" in the 1980s, but "Autism" did exist. So, Sheldon's lack of diagnosis is not due to lack of knowledge or awareness of the disorder.

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Mmm I'm not arguing whether Sheldon is the most intelligent in the group as he clearly is, but what I find difficult to swallow is how easily he controls the group. I know some of it is, Leonard for example, knows he is right but it's not worth the headaches to argue with Sheldon. So he gives in. But there are too many instances like this where SC says something ridiculous and the group goes along with it. I would estimate anyone of average intelligence could win most arguments with Sheldon about general life concepts so I find it hard to believe the three other main characters can't beat him in verbal fencing more often. Sheldon's intelligence and personality makes him an incredible scientist but they should be more of a hinderence in real life arguments than they are portrayed.

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Mmm I'm not arguing whether Sheldon is the most intelligent in the group as he clearly is, but what I find difficult to swallow is how easily he controls the group. I know some of it is, Leonard for example, knows he is right but it's not worth the headaches to argue with Sheldon. So he gives in. But there are too many instances like this where SC says something ridiculous and the group goes along with it. I would estimate anyone of average intelligence could win most arguments with Sheldon about general life concepts so I find it hard to believe the three other main characters can't beat him in verbal fencing more often. Sheldon's intelligence and personality makes him an incredible scientist but they should be more of a hinderence in real life arguments than they are portrayed.

 

Sheldon's nature has made it difficult for him in every day life.  That's why he has been something of an outcast all his life, not unlike the others, but perhaps more so.  Because he was a child prodigy, he was never around people his own age while he was in school, at least, not since age 11.  And he obviously had difficulty making friends his own age when he was younger.

There was an episode where they were playing cards and Leonard was about to win until Sheldon played his "Infinite Sheldon" card.  Leonard said something about why no one liked to play with Sheldon and Sheldon said it was a question he'd been pondering since preschool.

 

But his opinions about life in general are as stubborn as his opinions about comic book heroes and scientific principles, so it's not surprising that the guys either go along with him or ignore him altogether.

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Sheldon's nature has made it difficult for him in every day life. That's why he has been something of an outcast all his life, not unlike the others, but perhaps more so. Because he was a child prodigy, he was never around people his own age while he was in school, at least, not since age 11. And he obviously had difficulty making friends his own age when he was younger.

There was an episode where they were playing cards and Leonard was about to win until Sheldon played his "Infinite Sheldon" card. Leonard said something about why no one liked to play with Sheldon and Sheldon said it was a question he'd been pondering since preschool.

But his opinions about life in general are as stubborn as his opinions about comic book heroes and scientific principles, so it's not surprising that the guys either go along with him or ignore him altogether.

Sheldon being stubborn should'nt stop the guys from opposing him...

 

Mmm I'm not arguing whether Sheldon is the most intelligent in the group as he clearly is, but what I find difficult to swallow is how easily he controls the group. I know some of it is, Leonard for example, knows he is right but it's not worth the headaches to argue with Sheldon. So he gives in. But there are too many instances like this where SC says something ridiculous and the group goes along with it. I would estimate anyone of average intelligence could win most arguments with Sheldon about general life concepts so I find it hard to believe the three other main characters can't beat him in verbal fencing more often. Sheldon's intelligence and personality makes him an incredible scientist but they should be more of a hinderence in real life arguments than they are portrayed.

 

I agree with everything you said...in real life no one give in that much for Sheldon..

but in sitcom land it would not lead to many funny scenes...

for example in one the season 2 episodes when the Sheldon and Penny fight .... all the guys are afraid that they have to take the class again...so they ask Penny to apologize which is just ridiculous...there is absolutely no reason for them to give in at all....but for the sake of comedy they had have it that way..

again similarly in another episode when they all vote going by plane but Sheldon votes for going by train ...so they agree...which again is ridiculous ...but...

 

or like in the episode where Sheldon threaten's to break up Leonard and Priya cause he could not eat and pee whatever and whenever he likes....but Leonard does nothing and says nothing to Sheldon and just gives in... in real life a man with even an ounce of self-respect would be moving out the apartment the next second....

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I have stopped watching TBBT because Sheldon, the host of behavioural diseases that merit incarceration and Lithium, always seems to win.  He never pays for his egocentric abuse of everyone else, his narcisism, his smarmy self-satisfaction.  Even Penny punching his whining face doesn't make the abuse bearable.  In anything resembling a real world, he would have his ass kicked by everyone within a half mile,  And he deserves it!

Yeah, go ahead, flame me, tell me how wonderful Sheldon is. 

I respect your right to be horribly wrong.

Hes like the main character. How can you hate Sheldon? It starts with Leonard and Sheldon. Also I think most of his behavior comes from the fact hes so severly OCD. I think OCD can explain most of his symptoms. He is a perfectionist, he is a clean freak, he is a germibhobe, he has his spot, he does exactly what he believes he is suppose to do, he is very logical. Everything he does is systematic behavior which stems from OCD. Yes OCD people can be annoying sometimes but its not like they are attempting to irritate anyone. They are just that way. Since he holds himself to such high standards he seems to hold everyone else to that standard except for people like his mimah, his mother and Penny which he seems to make a special exception for. He also like most of the other nerds does not have very good sociol graces at first. He does not understand stuff like sarcasm and when things are rude but trys to do what his mother taught him is polite. Simply because hes so systematic that the only thing that fits into his world is the sets of codes and levers he has set in place. Along with this you see he seems to purposely isolate himself from most people before Leonard arrives and this again is a sign of his OCD. 

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