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[phantagrae]

Sheldon has initiated 4 hugs. 2 of which with Penny. All I'm saying is it's not the hugging that determines Penny's importance in his life, since arguably both Wheaton and Proton are less important to him than Penny. And that post was replying to Phanta's post saying that hug does not equal romance. Nobody is arguing that Sheldon's hugs aren't special, they were simply saying they're no reason to freak out that there's romance coming (like some people tend to), since he hugs people he has no romantic interest towards. And that him suddenly having a problem hugging Amy (when he didn't in the past, since he spent a whole evening cuddling with her) is inconsistent with the fact that he does hug all sorts of people, important or not. 

 

I haven't had a chance to read through this whole thread yet (so much posting!! YAY!), so pardon me if I'm repeating anyone, but the issue with Sheldon's hugs is entirely WHY he hugs someone.

 

I think that all of his self-initiated hugs are moments of overwhelming emotion, not just some friendly moment of affection.

With the Nimoy napkin and the trip to Switzerland, he was overwhelmed by gratitude, with the Professor Proton hug, it was his childhood hero and he was again overwhelmed at the idea of getting to be Professor Proton Jr, and with Wil Wheaton it was again this big emotion, apparently the pent up feelings since his childhood, etc.

 

With Amy it is a little differeint in that he hasn't had a moment of overwhelming emotion with her.  There's nothing she has done for him that has caused him such a sudden, big emotional moment.  He has given her cause to be overwhelmed--the tiara and the EC note--and he has accepted her offer of consolation.  But "normal" hugging is not something he thinks about or ever suggests, and he even declined to hug Penny when she gave the transporter toy and he wanted to express gratitude.  It wasn't the same level as the other events and he was too cool-headed, even when she asked if she was going to get a hug.

 

So I think that for him to hug Amy would take something more dramatic than what we normally see when the two of them are hanging out.

[eirwinrommel]

I honestly cannot believe people are taking the whole A/B describing each other's men joke seriously. Do you even get the joke? They were INSULTING each other's men up until that very moment and they just asked each other which guy they found cuter or something along those lines. They never said "If I were to have a one-night stand I'd want this kind of man". If Amy had described Sheldon and Bernadette had described Howard, the whole joke would have fallen apart. That doesn't mean they want to sleep with the other's SO or that they want to sleep with anyone other than their SOs. 

I think they see something in the other's SO theirs are missing. Bernie wants someone a little less skeezie (someone who doesn't have a stripper pole named after them), and Amy wants someone more skeezie (or at least willing give her some physical attention). I'm not saying they don't love their SO's, I'm just saying there are a coupe of adjustments they'd like to make.

[koops]

I haven't had a chance to read through this whole thread yet (so much posting!! YAY!), so pardon me if I'm repeating anyone, but the issue with Sheldon's hugs is entirely WHY he hugs someone.

 

I think that all of his self-initiated hugs are moments of overwhelming emotion, not just some friendly moment of affection.

With the Nimoy napkin and the trip to Switzerland, he was overwhelmed by gratitude, with the Professor Proton hug, it was his childhood hero and he was again overwhelmed at the idea of getting to be Professor Proton Jr, and with Wil Wheaton it was again this big emotion, apparently the pent up feelings since his childhood, etc.

 

With Amy it is a little differeint in that he hasn't had a moment of overwhelming emotion with her.  There's nothing she has done for him that has caused him such a sudden, big emotional moment.  He has given her cause to be overwhelmed--the tiara and the EC note--and he has accepted her offer of consolation.  But "normal" hugging is not something he thinks about or ever suggests, and he even declined to hug Penny when she gave the transporter toy and he wanted to express gratitude.  It wasn't the same level as the other events and he was too cool-headed, even when she asked if she was going to get a hug.

 

So I think that for him to hug Amy would take something more dramatic than what we normally see when the two of them are hanging out.

 

Well, see, that's where I kind of disagree. In my wishes I mean. I hope that when we do see him initiate a hug with Amy it will be for something other than overwhelming emotion. Otherwise she's just the same as anybody else, and what's the point of showing yet another excited Sheldon Cooper hug? We've had lots of those. It would be nice to go back to that 'exception to his rules' dynamic that he had with Amy up until a while ago. That's why I always like to compare the cuddle with him refusing to hug Raj when he was upset, and it's the kind of contrast I'd like to see more of. 

 

 

I think they see something in the other's SO theirs are missing. Bernie wants someone a little less skeezie (someone who doesn't have a stripper pole named after them), and Amy wants someone more skeezie (or at least willing give her some physical attention). I'm not saying they don't love their SO's, I'm just saying there are a coupe of adjustments they'd like to make.

 

I do think there was also a "moral of the story" kind of meaning in that joke. As in, they probably insulted the things about the other's SO that they ended up quoting as finding cute in the other guys: height and inexperience, and short and funny looking. In a way, they realized that the other guy also has positives.

Edited August 22, 2013 by koops

[bigbangsheldon]

we will never hear about this video again. you heard it here first 

[stardustmelody]

Koops,  think if people are missing the Amy/Bernie "joke" on this forum, where we tend to notice details and things in more depth than the average viewer, then the average viewer is not likely to get the "joke" either.  To be a joke it has to be funny.   Their describing each others significant other does not come across as funny to me (and others).  While I get what you are saying, it still is falling flat and yes annoying people.  That alone should make the writers stand up and listen.  What they probably intended didn't go over as expected.   I am willing to let that exchange pass because I get what you are saying.  Do I like that it was there?  No, because as I said to me it isn't funny and I think it really didn't come clearly across as a juxtapose of the previous conversation.   If it had it may have been funnier.   Instead it came across sort of strange and why would they describe people completely opposite of who they claim to love.  It comes across troubling instead of funny.

 

Phanta, I disagree that it should take a momentous moment for him to hug Amy.  Bottom line is that she is supposed to be his exception.  She is supposed to be the girl that can move him to "feel" things he has never felt before.  She is supposed to be the one he is falling in love with and that he is having desirous feelings for that he has not idea what to do with.   So to say it requires him to have a momentous occasion for him to get excited enough to hug her troubles me.  That makes her no different than the others.   In his case, he should want to experience her touch, her affection, to feel her warmth next to him.   When he hugs people when he gets overly excited, it is to experience transfer of feelings.   He should want to have that "transfer of feelings" with her just because she is the woman he has chosen and desires; not because she gave him something or did something special for him.   She should be the only one that he can just hug because he wants to feel her next to him and drink in her scent and warmth.   If nothing else, he should want to hug her because he knows that it makes her happy and makes her feel appreciated and loved.  

 

He has not shown an ounce of affection toward her, when he knows she so desperately wants to know what he is feeling for her.   It is sort of sad really.  It makes me feel very bad for her, especially when she is off defending him and remaining faithful and loyal to him.  He under-appreciates what he has.   I think fans are getting quite tired of that.  They want to see it is an equal relationship where both parties want to be in it.

 

The problem is when the writers do give us a slight insight such as the D&D game that he may be feeling the same things for her, then they abandon what they previous did, take a bunch of steps backwards and we have to work right back to the place they last left off. It feels like no progress at all when that happens.   We still have no idea what Sheldon is feeling.  We make assumptions and our assumptions could be very, very off.

[koops]

Star, with all due respect, as much as we tend to analyze things to bits, we also tend to overreact like crazy over insignificant details. I am guilty of that too.

 

I think the A/B joke is a classic example. Could it be that people are not getting the joke because instead of focusing on the joke they focus on the fact that Amy described someone other than Sheldon? She also said "I do love a bad boy" in 6x13, but nobody went up in arms then because that was not Sheldon. It was a superficial comment in the way one would say about a celebrity, nothing more, nothing less. 

 

We still do not know how they are going to address post D&D Shamy. The only interaction they have had ever since is this goodnight phone call. And my gut feeling is that their shoving alternative pairings and Shenny front and center is a way for them to buy time until they figure out what the heck they want to do with post D&D Shamy. It sucks because they cannot buy much more time than this, as it's already getting ridiculous as it is, they're going to have to address it by November sweeps at the latest. They can't keep having Shamy avoid each other forever. But until we see something more substantial than a phone call (which was adorable from the sounds of it), we can't say what will happen. 

 

I don't think this episode has shown any indication of 6x18-6x22 Shamy, to be honest, which is reassuring. Quite the opposite, actually. They had them call each other goodnight and Amy stand up for Sheldon and their relationship. So far, so good, I'd say. Let's see what happens over the next few episodes.

[Slicknickshady]

Shenny fans are already starting. LOL. They are saying it's going to be canon that they slept in the same bed. Okay then. LOL

 

[Carlos]

That's the thing. I do not think Amy is brave, eager and sexual underneath it all. I think she's very much talk.  She's a virgin too. Mayim made that point in her recent GD interview, that the D&D sex was a very interesting scene to shoot because it shows how even though Amy talks and talks and comes across as sexually aggressive, she gets really nervous and floored when faced with actual intimacy. In fact, I really liked how they portrayed her in Love Spell, that was the perfect Amy. She was the one who set rules over Vegas and yet was so excited about it in her dorky way, she hit that TSA agent for touching her, she was nerdy and wild and sensitive at the same time. I always took her sexual comments as nothing to do with her wanting sex per se (although obviously she does want Sheldon bad), as to the fact that she has no filter and has no idea what's appropriate and when. The hilarious thing about Amy as a character is that they give her these sexual connotations when she is anything but: she has no experience, flips at people touching her, and is not what one would normally consider the embodiment of a "vixen", yet that's the nickname they keep using for her. I love that nickname because of the irony in it, whoever came up with it needs all of the award.

 

If she were really so sexual and eager, she would not be waiting on Sheldon and make the point, again and again, that it's only him that she wants. I think the reason she can put up with Sheldon is because of what was established since day 1: they are so alike they get each other. Although I do admit that Molaro's take on Amy is a bit too "normalizing" and I often worry that they might lose the plot that the reason why Shamy were matched up in the first place is because of their similarities, rather than because Amy can put up with his quirks through patience. Prady had a MUCH better grasp on that, IMO.

 

That is what I've been wanting to say about Amy for a long time, but couldn't articulate. Thanks for saying it for me. I agree that Prady writes Amy much better than Molaro, and from what I've seen Lorre soemtimes throws some unwelcomed curve balls that damage the characters. And yes... as you say or imply with Amy (as well as with every other character-my comment-) there are gaps in continuity. A scene I love with Amy and Sheldon that I think it's somewhat related is  when Sheldon tells Amy: "you don't know what it's to be completely frustrated, to have a desire build within you, and then be denied any opportunity for release" and Amy answers him: "Yeah, it's a drag" (It's the closure episode). In that scene you can clearly see Amy's sexual frustrations with Sheldon, but also her willingness to wait.

[phantagrae]

What I'm saying about Sheldon's hugs is that he doesn't go around offering them willy-nilly, no matter who it involves.  He barely tolerated his own sister hugging him.

 

Whatever Amy might do or say, he's not going to just hug her just because.  It may be a different kind of emotion, but since he rarely expresses himself physically, he's not going to suddenly start sitting on the couch with his arm around her just because she's his girlfriend.

 

I still think it would take something extraordinary to move him to that physical moment.  He's simply not a hugger.  We've never even seen him hug his mother, though she has hugged him a bit.

 

Hand-holding with Amy is something he tolerates, but again, I don't think he's going to suddenly turn into someone who demonstrates affection physically.  That's why it's taking him so long to "get physical" with Amy, not just sexually, but in every manner.  I think that for him to do it spontaneously, as he has with the others, he again would have to be overwhelmed by some kind of emotion--hopefully love, not just gratitude or whatever.

 

I would imagine that if he were to hug Amy when they're saying goodnight or goodbye, for instance, it would probably again be something that she has insisted on, like holding hands at the movies, not something he would just suddenly decide he likes to do.  I think that he will have to work on the casual hug thing with Amy for some time before he'd ever be willing to do it with a cool head and of his own volition.

 

I don't think that makes this particular hug anything that betrays his sensibilities, since it is again forced upon him.  Perhaps he's not as averse to it all as he claims to be, but he's still not going to be the one to do it without a strong reason.

I don't go around hugging people unless I have a strong reason.  There are people who insist on hugging me and I allow it.  I don't cringe, but it's not a natural thing for me, apart from my immediate family, and even then, I prefer some to others...

[Chrismo]

 

 

Phanta, I disagree that it should take a momentous moment for him to hug Amy.  Bottom line is that she is supposed to be his exception.  She is supposed to be the girl that can move him to "feel" things he has never felt before.  She is supposed to be the one he is falling in love with and that he is having desirous feelings for that he has not idea what to do with.   So to say it requires him to have a momentous occasion for him to get excited enough to hug her troubles me.  That makes her no different than the others.   In his case, he should want to experience her touch, her affection, to feel her warmth next to him.   When he hugs people when he gets overly excited, it is to experience transfer of feelings.   He should want to have that "transfer of feelings" with her just because she is the woman he has chosen and desires; not because she gave him something or did something special for him.   She should be the only one that he can just hug because he wants to feel her next to him and drink in her scent and warmth.   If nothing else, he should want to hug her because he knows that it makes her happy and makes her feel appreciated and loved.  

 

He has not shown an ounce of affection toward her, when he knows she so desperately wants to know what he is feeling for her.   It is sort of sad really.  It makes me feel very bad for her, especially when she is off defending him and remaining faithful and loyal to him.  He under-appreciates what he has.   I think fans are getting quite tired of that.  They want to see it is an equal relationship where both parties want to be in it.

 

The problem is when the writers do give us a slight insight such as the D&D game that he may be feeling the same things for her, then they abandon what they previous did, take a bunch of steps backwards and we have to work right back to the place they last left off. It feels like no progress at all when that happens.   We still have no idea what Sheldon is feeling.  We make assumptions and our assumptions could be very, very off.

I couldn't agree with you more. I stated in the beginning of the year that for season 7 there should be a Shamy break up and you gave reasons why. It also would be a good time to do it now knowing that Leonard coming back and wanting to spend time with Penny. And not a one episode break up either. Make it last awhile until he realizes what he's really lost. Amy is the only woman for him and he is never going to find anyone better.

[koops]

Sorry if this sounds like stating the obvious, but the thing is that he is a fictional character. There are plenty of ways to make a fictional non-hugger find his exception to the rule, if they want to. Like I often said, they did a great job in 6x14 of showing how he suddenly was asking for more hugging out of Amy. 6x16 would have been the perfect opportunity to capitalize on that and have him return the hug, showing a progression from A to B and hopefully into the future. And it would have been very organic. Yet they backtracked greatly after that, for reasons we are still trying to figure out. 

 

I'm not saying they should grow him OOC and have him be constantly all over her, by all means. Or even as physical as any of the guys. But to tell stories you have to progress your characters a little and there are plenty of ways to make Sheldon become a *bit* more physical with her that are still pretty consistent with his character. For example, given 6x14 in particular, and given his childish side, I wouldn't be shocked to see Sheldon become a snuggler when he's upset, and actually enjoy it. This is just one way to create a context or small moments where he can be a bit more affectionate without him going OOC or Amy having to spend the rest of her life having to wait for rare moments of overwhelming emotion for Sheldon to hug her. 

 

I just wish the writers would occasionally stop making the relationship constantly rotate around Sheldon, his time and his needs. There are two people in this relationship.

[Chaliceinnana]

I honestly cannot believe people are taking the whole A/B describing each other's men joke seriously. Do you even get the joke? They were INSULTING each other's men up until that very moment and they just asked each other which guy they found cuter or something along those lines. They never said "If I were to have a one-night stand I'd want this kind of man". If Amy had described Sheldon and Bernadette had described Howard, the whole joke would have fallen apart. That doesn't mean they want to sleep with the other's SO or that they want to sleep with anyone other than their SOs. 

I understand the construction of the joke. As described, it doesn't sound funny. I am hoping that Melissa and Mayim can sell it.

 

I mean nothing in the taping report sounded funny. Amy and Bernadette cutting loose at a convention could have been soooo funny. It is just disappointing.

[Disgusted]

 

I just wish the writers would occasionally stop making the relationship constantly rotate around Sheldon, his time and his needs. There are two people in this relationship.

 

Well, like it or not, Sheldon is the one who is going to control the speed that things progress. He treats everyone the same way. Amy is the only one who reacts differently to that treatment. Until he figures it out in his own mind, the relationship will proceed at his pace.

 

I believe that Howard has the rosetta stone to Sheldon, if only Amy would ask.

 

Howard: "You want to have sex with Sheldon? Tell him its a non-optional social convention."

[Catlina]

Many good points given here. I still love season 4-5 most. I don't like how they write all characters so "Out of character" now, it seems and sounds somewhat out of order/out of sync -kind of episode - we will see if it continues as the season goes further. I wish they could add more science and scientifical sides of the characters to the show at this point, because it seems the writers have forgotten what this show was about in the beginning. For example, I would love to see more scientific side of Amy and Bernadette; plus Amy and Sheldon having a scientific co-project together, and those two combining their skills for the sake of pure knowledge and science. And what I think I haven't seen that much either during the show in general is the scientific side of Raj, how he is the astronomer of the gang. We know something about it for example in the episode where he made it to the People-magazine etc. but we really don't know too much about it.

Edited August 22, 2013 by Catlina

[phantagrae]

I understand the construction of the joke. As described, it doesn't sound funny. I am hoping that Melissa and Mayim can sell it.

 

I mean nothing in the taping report sounded funny. Amy and Bernadette cutting loose at a convention could have been soooo funny. It is just disappointing.

 

I thought the whole freakin thing was funny.  And I think the Amy/Bernie joke is perfect.

 

I found it very easy to picture the episode.  Thanks again to Jennifer!

[I.Am.Molly]

Ok so I've been reading this so... don't hate on my first post

 

I don't see what the big deal is with Sheldon & Penny spending some time together, or the hug. They both miss Leonard and are bonding over that. He makes her a hot drink, like he does when he sees people are upset - that's very IC of him, he'll have seen her missing Leonard and he saw how they were in the car. They hug, but it doesn't say he hugs her or that he enjoys the hug, and maybe he needs the hug too because he misses his buddy. It's nice that they have each other. We don't see Shamy in this episode, but we might learn later that they've been getting closer. It's a hug, not erotic nose caressing. 

 

We don't know how much of the video Leonard showed. Yes, he shouldn't be showing it off, that's not cool. But it's a film, not a personal video. And Penny is the one who did the film even if she says it wasn't released. He misses his girlfriend, he wants to show her off, it seems on that boat he's having the life he never got. Not saying it's right for him to do that. But we don't know what he showed or why. They're fine in the next episode. I don't think she's going to be pissed off about it too much for too long if she finds out. 

 

Amy and Bernadette... they're just having some fun. I always make jokes like that when I go out with my besties. Bernadette knows Amy won't do anything, they're allowed to enjoy being hit on! 

 

Sheldon is showing his concern for Amy in his special way. They're fine. Penny misses Leonard and when he's back from his exciting trip of a lifetime, they're going to be fine. 

 

That's my view of it. I love Lenny, I love Shamy, I love Howadette. I love Raj and his newfound (bad) ability to speak to women. There's nothing in there that suggests anybody will be breaking up or cheating or making Shenny happen from a hug.

 

Welcome to the board my lovely Waitress! Woo!

[koops]

Many good points given here. I still love season 4-5 most. I don't like how they write all characters so "Out of character" now, it seems and sounds somewhat out of order-out of sync -kind of episode - we will see if it continues as the season goes further. I wish they could add more science and scientifical sides of the characters to the show at this point, because it seems the writers have forgotten what this show was about in the beginning. For example, I would love to see more scientific side of Amy and Bernadette; plus Amy and Sheldon having a scientific co-project together, and those two combining their skills for the sake of pure knowledge and science. And what I think I haven't seen that much either during the show is the scientific side of Raj, how he is the astronomer of the gang. We know something about it for example in the episode where he made it to the People-magazine etc. but we really don't know much about it.

 

Well, it's only the first episode. We heard from Molaro about brain science specifically and we heard from Chuck that Sheldon will have a breakthrough with his work. And I'm hoping Leonard's trip will also have some impact on his career. So, if they keep true to their promises, we might get some more science this year, fingers crossed. 

[Chaliceinnana]

I thought the whole freakin thing was funny.  And I think the Amy/Bernie joke is perfect.

 

I found it very easy to picture the episode.  Thanks again to Jennifer!

This is nothing on the glorious Jennifer and her merciful taping report. She is amazing.

 

Selfishly, I just don't want any weird sex crap getting in the way of my Amy and Howard scene! 

[phantagrae]

This is nothing on the glorious Jennifer and her merciful taping report. She is amazing.

 

Selfishly, I just don't want any weird sex crap getting in the way of my Amy and Howard scene! 

 

What wierd sex crap could there possibly be???

Nowhere in the A/B scene does she have any inclination toward Howard.

[stardustmelody]

Sorry if this sounds like stating the obvious, but the thing is that he is a fictional character. There are plenty of ways to make a fictional non-hugger find his exception to the rule, if they want to. Like I often said, they did a great job in 6x14 of showing how he suddenly was asking for more hugging out of Amy. 6x16 would have been the perfect opportunity to capitalize on that and have him return the hug, showing a progression from A to B and hopefully into the future. And it would have been very organic. Yet they backtracked greatly after that, for reasons we are still trying to figure out. 

 

I'm not saying they should grow him OOC and have him be constantly all over her, by all means. Or even as physical as any of the guys. But to tell stories you have to progress your characters a little and there are plenty of ways to make Sheldon become a *bit* more physical with her that are still pretty consistent with his character. For example, given 6x14 in particular, and given his childish side, I wouldn't be shocked to see Sheldon become a snuggler when he's upset, and actually enjoy it. This is just one way to create a context or small moments where he can be a bit more affectionate without him going OOC or Amy having to spend the rest of her life having to wait for rare moments of overwhelming emotion for Sheldon to hug her. 

 

I just wish the writers would occasionally stop making the relationship constantly rotate around Sheldon, his time and his needs. There are two people in this relationship.

 

 

^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ 

THIS   I totally agree here.  That is my major bugaboo...there are two people in the relationship but on the receiving side, it is very one-sided.   When you love someone, you like to make them happy even if it means a bit of discomfort on your part because it would not be your first choice in doing things.   You usually are pleased by finding out your reluctance is turned around into a reward.  By you stepping out of your comfort zone and showing another person what they need to be happy you find yourself abundantly happy as a result.   Sheldon is not only cheating Amy out of happiness, but himself as a result because he is being selfish about his own needs and not hers.

[stardustmelody]

I didn't see it on the taping report, but did we ever get a confirmed title for this episode?  I know we guessed it to be The Hoftstatder Deficiency but I was curious if we guessed correctly or not.  

[Puppy Chow]

I didn't see it on the taping report, but did we ever get a confirmed title for this episode?  I know we guessed it to be The Hoftstatder Deficiency but I was curious if we guessed correctly or not.  

 

Jennifer confirmed in chat that The Hoftstadter Deficiency was indeed the title.

[ATOB]

Sheldon sees Penny as a friend and is a bit more comfortable with her hugging him. Amy on the other

hand represents a whole other challenge for Sheldon. She wants more than a hug. And that probably scares the hell out of Sheldon.

Penny = Safety in the same way Leonard offers safety.

THIS! THIS!

Well hello Taperoo, I TOTALLY agree with this! The reason it's easier for Sheldon to hug Penny and Prof Proton is because they don't want to have sex with him. He's well aware of Amy's feeling (bear paw comment/D&D game) and he's not ready, but he's working on it :D

For my next trick I will try to put a 180° spin on Leonard's video sharing. Leonard has known about the video for some time, it's part and parcel of dating an actress that there will be roles that involve nudity and scenes of a sexual nature. More so, if the actress is beautiful and likely to be cast as the love interest/object of desire. To date an actress you have to be okay with that. To be okay with that you have to have a fairly feminist viewpoint; the opinion that the sexes are equal, that your girlfriend is not your personal property and has as much sexual freedom as a man without being thought of as a slut. The slut accusations against Penny have been hinted at by Sheldon (though, in truth, it doesn't affect his life so he doesn't care) and from Penny herself. Has this secret been gnawing away at her for years for no good reason? Leonard doesn't think Penny's a slut, he's privy to the same information as Sheldon, but has a different viewpoint. He sees her as his equal, perhaps as his better as he still seems stunned that she has chosen him. Hence his pride, "this is my girlfriend" (how did I get so lucky?)!

[3ku11]

Penny most likely confided in Sheldon the same way she would confide in her teddy bear or Amy and Bernadette, the same way she confided in Sheldon in S2 when she diddn't want to date Leonard because he felt he was too smart for her. Sheldon has always treated Penny almost like a sister, he wants nothing from her and she wants nothing from him, so Penny knows Sheldon well be honest even brutally honest with her. Where as with Leonard Penny values his opinion, she loves him she cares what Leonard thinks about her. This is prob the same reason why Leonard hid the fact he knew about the video for so many years. So it is riduclous to complain that Sheldon hugs Penny but not Amy, Sheldon like people above have said see's Penny as a friend almost the same way he see's Leonard,  Penny offers safetiness to Sheldon, where as like the above said Amy presents a much bigger challenge to Sheldon intellictually and physically. It's ironical because in so many way Penny is Leonard's equal but also his inferior, on the outside she is gorgeous, girl next door but at her core she is also a struggling actress working as an waitress. Where as Leonard is very successful in his chosen field.  I think Leonard see's Penny as much as an accomplishment as any of successes as an experimental physicist, he is proud of her and probably wanted to show her off, and besides we don't know if he actually showed the actual shower scene just the movie. And like I've said Season 7 is set 4 months after the S6 finalie, so Penny playing 3D Chess and Sheldon sleeping over at Penny's may see straight away out of character, but it has been set 4 months in the future, so Penny and Sheldon have clearly bonded to deal with the loss of Leonard in their lifes, Sheldon particularly could of changed a bit to condition him self to the circumstances. This is no big drama by episode two status quo well resume.

Edited August 23, 2013 by 3ku11

[mjc45]

Ok so I've been reading this so... don't hate on my first post

 

I don't see what the big deal is with Sheldon & Penny spending some time together, or the hug. They both miss Leonard and are bonding over that. He makes her a hot drink, like he does when he sees people are upset - that's very IC of him, he'll have seen her missing Leonard and he saw how they were in the car. They hug, but it doesn't say he hugs her or that he enjoys the hug, and maybe he needs the hug too because he misses his buddy. It's nice that they have each other. We don't see Shamy in this episode, but we might learn later that they've been getting closer. It's a hug, not erotic nose caressing. 

 

We don't know how much of the video Leonard showed. Yes, he shouldn't be showing it off, that's not cool. But it's a film, not a personal video. And Penny is the one who did the film even if she says it wasn't released. He misses his girlfriend, he wants to show her off, it seems on that boat he's having the life he never got. Not saying it's right for him to do that. But we don't know what he showed or why. They're fine in the next episode. I don't think she's going to be pissed off about it too much for too long if she finds out. 

 

Amy and Bernadette... they're just having some fun. I always make jokes like that when I go out with my besties. Bernadette knows Amy won't do anything, they're allowed to enjoy being hit on! 

 

Sheldon is showing his concern for Amy in his special way. They're fine. Penny misses Leonard and when he's back from his exciting trip of a lifetime, they're going to be fine. 

 

That's my view of it. I love Lenny, I love Shamy, I love Howadette. I love Raj and his newfound (bad) ability to speak to women. There's nothing in there that suggests anybody will be breaking up or cheating or making Shenny happen from a hug.

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