Spoilers S7 Spoilers

[Chiany]

I must be confused. Am I on the Shamy thread?

 

Let me respond to this "legitimate" question sarcasticly with a gif:

 

 

What the hell is wrong with you guys? Chrismo asks legitimate questions and he just gets insulted... This is so ridiculous. Whenever someone asks something about Shamy you all go crazy. Did he hit a nerve or something?

 

If someone has to ask if Sheldon thinks he is in a romantic relationship, you obviously don't watch the show.

Even you have to admit that

[denajeanx]

What the hell is wrong with you guys? Chrismo asks legitimate questions and he just gets insulted... This is so ridiculous. Whenever someone asks something about Shamy you all go crazy. Did he hit a nerve or something?

 

Who is going crazy? He asked a question, it was answered. Can't help that it's a stupid question.

[Cecilia]

Ok guys

 

 

and

 

 

(I always wanted to use a Snape gif!! <3 ). There is nothing to share I think we can get along just fine!!!

 

eta: Is that ''there is nothing to share'' I wrote wrong????? You get what I meant tho right??? Nothing truly separates us!!!

Edited January 30, 2014 by Cecilia

[Guest]

If someone has to ask if Sheldon thinks he is in a romantic relationship, you obviously don't watch the show.

Even you have to admit that

 

Apparently, there are people who don't see the "romance" in the Shamy. And yes, I'm one of those. But calling people a fool for having a different opinion or asking a simple question is not cool.

 

Who is going crazy? He asked a question, it was answered. Can't help that it's a stupid question.

 

There's no such thing as a stupid question.

[delsino]

Does Sheldon really think he is in a romantic relationship?

 

You could ask Jim Parsons himself (who other than, perhaps the writers, know Sheldon better than anyone) and he describes their relationship as romantic, intimate etc. Its just nothing like any other couple on the show, or on TV right now

 

You can watch this interview and see what the two actors that play the characters, think and talk about the relationship

 

Also at 14:30, Jim says Sheldon knows romance and what will get Amy

 

 

ETA; Also if you haven't seen this before there is a Lenny/Johnny/Kaley interview in the beginning 

Edited January 30, 2014 by delsino

[Chrismo]

Yes I honestly believe he thinks that. He probably considers that a romantic relationship entails somewhat different things than you or me believe but it is ok cause it is personal. That is why I like them because they are doing things on their own way. He considers her to be intellectually compatible with him, he doesn't want her to date other men, he is willing to do things he would never do for her shake, he was moved when she said something romantic to him by his standards, he thinks what they have is intimate, he brags about her and so much more. The thing is that we don't need to fit something on our perspective for it to be real Chrismo. I completely understand if you don't get it or even if you don't like it but people do things differently all we have to do is accept that fact.

The fact remains though in this past taping report (granted it wasn't all that easy to follow) he freaks out when it was pointed to him by Leonard that Amy has an influence on him. Leonard didn't freak out when Sheldon said the same thing about Penny influencing him. He went to Amy's to break up. If he cared about her so much Sheldon wouldn't have done that. In the end it sounds like Amy has to manipulate him not to break up with her.

[Cecilia]

The fact remains though in this past taping report (granted it wasn't all that easy to follow) he freaks out when it was pointed to him by Leonard that Amy has an influence on him. Leonard didn't freak out when Sheldon said the same thing about Penny influencing him. He went to Amy's to break up. If he cared about her so much Sheldon wouldn't have done that. In the end it sounds like Amy has to manipulate him not to break up with her.

 

What Leonard does or doesn't do is irrelevant. That is indeed what most people in the chat last night was upset from. Not the fact that he wants to break up - that pretty much is understandable, Maddie wrote a beautiful post in the Shamy thread explaining how someone deeply in love can do such a thing but there is no way I could write so elaborately sorry. But it is really beautiful and it explains a lot if you want to read it - but the fact that he did it in a cold and detached way without considering her feelings. But the report was a bit vauge about that and Sprinkles did her best but it is only logical to forget something or not pay attention to every little thing. So, if that is what makes you think it isn't a romantic relationship then you should take into account that it will probably play out a bit different when we get to watch it. As for the manipulation I hope it is a poorly chosen word but we will have to wait and see. So, I think we are fine everybody has their opinions and it is cool. And that is for everyone not just Chrismo of course!!!!

[Chiany]

The fact remains though in this past taping report (granted it wasn't all that easy to follow) he freaks out when it was pointed to him by Leonard that Amy has an influence on him. Leonard didn't freak out when Sheldon said the same thing about Penny influencing him. He went to Amy's to break up. If he cared about her so much Sheldon wouldn't have done that. In the end it sounds like Amy has to manipulate him not to break up with her.

 

Yes he went to Amy, because yes he was freaked about what he heard from Leonard/Penny.

 

But you have to stop comparing Leonard with Sheldon when it comes to relationships, especially romantic ones.

 

They are two completely different people regarding romance, and being in a romantic relationship.

 

If he didn't care about Amy, why did he apoligize at the end of this episode?

[delsino]

The fact remains though in this past taping report (granted it wasn't all that easy to follow) he freaks out when it was pointed to him by Leonard that Amy has an influence on him. Leonard didn't freak out when Sheldon said the same thing about Penny influencing him. He went to Amy's to break up. If he cared about her so much Sheldon wouldn't have done that. In the end it sounds like Amy has to manipulate him not to break up with her.

 

I think a lot of what Sheldon's panic is about is the table itself, lol. It seems ridiculous to most people but that's Sheldon. Look how he reacted when he couldn't get his hair cut for a few days. He sent his life "spiraling out of control." i think this episode is much of the same. His "world"/apartment was going through a change and now he has to send the most stable parts of his life through a loop. Almost taking out his "frustration" on Amy  I think mainly because at that point Penny mentioned his relationship as a change in his life. 

 

I think its similar to when Penny was lent money from Sheldon, she felt "embarrassed" and lashed out at her friends instead of admitting she was upset at herself. She has done that to Leonard on occasions as well. The writers have used this plot often just changed the people and situation at times. 

 

I am not worried about Shamy and until I see the episode, this is my interpretation.

[Chrismo]

Yes he went to Amy, because yes he was freaked about what he heard from Leonard/Penny.

 

But you have to stop comparing Leonard with Sheldon when it comes to relationships, especially romantic ones.

 

They are two completely different people regarding romance, and being in a romantic relationship.

 

If he didn't care about Amy, why did he apoligize at the end of this episode?

The thing is though was Sheldon brought up Penny to Leonard so Penny/Leonard pointed out Amy's influence. I understand that the couples aren't comparable but Sheldon should of known it was going to come back at him. I never read that Sheldon apologized. I must have missed that.

[Cecilia]

The thing is though was Sheldon brought up Penny to Leonard so Penny/Leonard pointed out Amy's influence. I understand that the couples aren't comparable but Sheldon should of known it was going to come back at him. I never read that Sheldon apologized. I must have missed that.

 

I think that on the report said that he says ''sorry you had to go through all of this''. But still we have to see how that comes on screen. I would love if he squezzed her hand as koops said on the shamy thread!!!!

[denajeanx]

 

 

There's no such thing as a stupid question.

 

I think Sheldon would disagree.

[Cecilia]

The fact remains though in this past taping report (granted it wasn't all that easy to follow) he freaks out when it was pointed to him by Leonard that Amy has an influence on him. Leonard didn't freak out when Sheldon said the same thing about Penny influencing him. He went to Amy's to break up. If he cared about her so much Sheldon wouldn't have done that. In the end it sounds like Amy has to manipulate him not to break up with her.

 

Ok sorry I am quoting you again but I just found something and I HAD to use it!!!

 

 

I loved that line!!! Just a joke Chrismo!!

[Chrismo]

I think Sheldon would disagree.

Sheldon telling Leonard that Penny had an influence on him in retrospect was kind of stupid.

[denajeanx]

Sheldon telling Leonard that Penny had an influence on him in retrospect was kind of stupid.

 

She has.

[koops]

I honestly, truly don't understand why there is this tendency to put down other people's ships. It is obvious that this show is created so there's a ship (or character to suit all tastes. You don't see the romance in Shamy? Fine. It's not your cup of tea. (I can argue about writing choices too, because even if I'm a Shamy fan I'm not always happy with how they write them, but that's another story). You think Lenny is all about sex? Fine. Although IMO it's a simplistic view of the relationship (and I don't fault Lennys for being angry or worried with how their ship progresses, it's not my place to tell them what to feel). 

 

But what I don't understand is, if one person does not get what's so exciting about a ship, or an episode about that ship, but sees other people be excited about it, or viceversa be angry, what is the point of telling them how wrong they are for being happy or angry about it? I would love for everyone to be happy with the show and the reason they watch the show. Unfortunately, some people will always be unhappy as it can't please everyone, but the bottom line is, why try to make happy people miserable or tell them they are idiots for being happy or enjoying something. If I don't see the appeal in something but I see other people are loving it, I just stay out of it. When has being excited about stuff become such a crime? 

 

Some of you think your ship is the best ship or the REAL relationship? Fine! Good for you! Is that what you want to hear? Want a cookie? I don't get it the point of all these battleships, I truly don't. 

[denajeanx]

I honestly, truly don't understand why there is this tendency to put down other people's ships. It is obvious that this show is created so there's a ship (or character to suit all tastes. You don't see the romance in Shamy? Fine. It's not your cup of tea. (I can argue about writing choices too, because even if I'm a Shamy fan I'm not always happy with how they write them, but that's another story). You think Lenny is all about sex? Fine. Although IMO it's a simplistic view of the relationship (and I don't fault Lennys for being angry or worried with how their ship progresses, it's not my place to tell them what to feel). 

 

But what I don't understand is, if one person does not get what's so exciting about a ship, or an episode about that ship, but sees other people be excited about it, or viceversa be angry, what is the point of telling them how wrong they are for being happy or angry about it? I would love for everyone to be happy with the show and the reason they watch the show. Unfortunately, some people will always be unhappy as it can't please everyone, but the bottom line is, why try to make happy people miserable or tell them they are idiots for being happy or enjoying something. If I don't see the appeal in something but I see other people are loving it, I just stay out of it. When has being excited about stuff become such a crime? 

 

Some of you think your ship is the best ship or the REAL relationship? Fine! Good for you! Is that what you want to hear? Want a cookie? I don't get it the point of all these battleships, I truly don't. 

 

I ran out of likes, so Amen to the that!

[Chrismo]

It seems to me that I have caused some of the controversies in the last few pages of this forum. I admit I don't always get the Shamy but I know I'm not alone. I was stating my opinion and my observations. I knew it wasn't going to be popular with all of the Shamys on here but this is the Spoiler thread not the Shamy thread. While some Shamy fans gave me rebuttals to my questions some others appeared to go off the deep end and sort of IMO totally lost it. Maybe a week or so ago some were complaining that the Lennys were going on and on on this forum. It appears to have switched. It seems to me if you only want to hear positive things about your ship you probably should stick to your ship's thread.

[koops]

I think if people don't get each other's ships it's inevitable to reach a point where the only solution is simply to agree to disagree, because no amount of discussion will change anyone's opinion. I think things on here tend to often go past that line into ship vs ship. 

 

The other thing I mentioned is that if people are happy I don't see the point in "bursting the bubble", so to speak, repeatedly and at every available opportunity. I don't get the amount of energy some people invest in tearing down other people's ships. Frankly, I could write an essay long post about all the pros of Shamy, and an equally long one of all the cons, and do the same with Lenny, and with Howardette. But I don't see the point in rubbing the cons in people's faces every time something that makes them happy happens. We all end up getting angry at the writers at some point, they do a good job getting us worked up already, why do we need to work each other up the few times the writers do make us happy? 

 

Healthy discussion is fine, nobody is saying everyone should go around patting each other on the back and say "Your ship is so wonderful", as nobody as the monopoly on the characters and I agree that if all one wants is fluff and happiness there are ships threads for that (although I'm sure we have our fair share of self-inflicted doom and gloom in there too). The irony in all this is that we all are extremely critical of our own ships in our own threads!!! That's what I find absurd. Yet here we go at each other's throats about it? I think we all wear doom-goggles just as much as shipper-goggles. But I have seen arguments in here get very much out of hand with people trying to measure the value of their own ship against the other, which I think it's much different from saying "I think Sheldon/Penny/Leonard acted like an ass in this episode, where do you see the love? Discuss.".

[pisquenta]

So maybe they should create a bashing thread so you can talk about everything you dislike without interrupting the true purpose of this thread.

[Martin Pollard]

So maybe they should create a bashing thread so you can talk about everything you dislike without interrupting the true purpose of this thread.

 

I realize that the term "bashing" has come to mean "someone said something I don't agree with," but perhaps some people should work on growing a thicker skin instead of taking everything said about their favorite ships personally. If someone can't do that, then perhaps they should do as the man said and retreat to the safe coccoon of the shipper threads, rather than attempt to deal with someone saying something less than flattering about their ships.

[koops]

I realize that the term "bashing" has come to mean "someone said something I don't agree with," but perhaps some people should work on growing a thicker skin instead of taking everything said about their favorite ships personally. If someone can't do that, then perhaps they should do as the man said and retreat to the safe coccoon of the shipper threads, rather than attempt to deal with someone saying something less than flattering about their ships.

 

I don't think anyone has anything against discussion. Like I said, there are PLENTY of unflattering things being said about the ships by their own shippers in both shippers threads. Just come have a look at the Shamy thread right now and you'll see a fair amount of criticism of the various aspects ship. I actually find shippers can be the biggest critics of their own ships. 

 

But I hardly think the only thing that goes on in this thread is people saying unflattering things about other people ships. It has often come down to personal judgments of other forum members and their mental status, especially "behind closed doors" in the ship threads, where shippers go hiding so they cannot be rebuffed. Even though everyone can read what they're saying. Like that's mature. 

[Chrismo]

I don't think anyone has anything against discussion. Like I said, there are PLENTY of unflattering things being said about the ships by their own shippers in both shippers threads. Just come have a look at the Shamy thread right now and you'll see a fair amount of criticism of the various aspects ship. I actually find shippers can be the biggest critics of their own ships. 

 

 

 I have noticed in the past on the Shamy thread (since you used it as an example) that shippers will say unflattering things about their ship. But if someone outside the ship says something, for example on this thread, they get mad.

Edited January 30, 2014 by Chrismo

[DaisyJane]

Sheldon's  with Leonard and Amy can more easily be characterized as contractual agreements than personal connections, and they certainly come across that way. He believes that they are there to serve him, and does not give anything back. As I've said previously, Lenny are the parents and Amy is the nanny. It's really a shame for Amy because she makes mention of wanting a family, but she can never have that with Sheldon. He'd make an abysmal husband and an even worse father. I enjoy them as friends, but I truly think Amy has outgrown the relationship. JMO. 

[Martin Pollard]

But I hardly think the only thing that goes on in this thread is people saying unflattering things about other people ships. It has often come down to personal judgments of other forum members and their mental status, especially "behind closed doors" in the ship threads, where shippers go hiding so they cannot be rebuffed. Even though everyone can read what they're saying. Like that's mature. 

 

People getting personal should be reported to the moderators, then, and if it's something that's actionable, they will take action, even if it's just to hop into the thread and tell everyone to cool their jets. (I experienced that myself recently, when I let my emotions override my common sense, and I was rightfully slapped down for it.) My comment was more to address the whole "bashing" thing, to be honest. I think you'll agree that a lot of people tend to throw that term around willy-nilly nowadays, using it to mean "that mean ol' meany said something I don't agree with, waaah!" rather than "that guy is saying nasty and inappropriate things," which is what the term is supposed to mean.