Spoilers S7 Spoilers

[eirwinrommel]

Looking at the other words, the last two letter look like oy.

 

N**toy?

Edited August 30, 2013 by eirwinrommel

[3ku11]

hmmm. This is where the Debate thread gets its traffic.LOL. I can't see anything but the current relationships going forward.

It's funny because in terms of the cannon relationships, presently right now Penny is in love with Leonard even if hypothetically speaking Leonard and Penny break up in 2 seasons, the realistic possiblity of the writers selling Penny seeing Sheldon in a romantic light in one or two eps, Oh your weird, eccentric behaviour and your constant undermining of every aspect of my life, but all that was blocking me from how good looking and amazing you really are lol. I mean say Lenny end in Season 8, after 8 years of Penny and Sheldon having a maternal brother/sister relationship, can you seriousley see Penny after being confused about Sheldon's deal as she put it for so many years, suddenly in two eps changing everything that makes Penny who she is and compromising everything that makes her Penny, ever see herself seeing Sheldon in a romantic light? Obviousley this has been said over and over, I have watched the show since the pilot, I never saw the idea or got any impression Penny and Sheldon ever consisted of a romantic pardaim, it always seemed like a maternal relationship to me, sure they have had alot of comedic moments, how many times has Sheldon consistently undermined and insulted Penny, they can be completley honest with each other because they want nothing from each other, even Kaley and Jim said it would be wrong like siblings getting together. And I think the idea of a romantic Shenny ended ever since Season 3 with the Lenny breakup, treating Sheldon like their divorced kid, ever since then the idea ever in a AU is just creepy, but hey love their banter. 

[notchinc]

I was thinking mentor.....

[BangerMain]

Of course it does, I mean look at Hellen Mirren, Judi Dench, or this group . Obviously all a bunch of bimbos...Wait.... Never mind.

 

A lot of Oscar noms and winners in that group.

[BangerMain]

 

While we know there is more to Leonard's affection than mere physical attraction, it would be nice for him to acknowledge it and, perhaps, for Penny to hear it. In the early days of their acquaintance, he used to think of her as perfect but he is much wiser now (he asked her out in season five in spite of having thought it through). Does he know then why he loves her so, aside from her remarkable looks ?  

If he does, I'd like to hear his reasons. 

If he does not, I'd like to hear that too. After all, there is something interesting about being in love with someone and not quite understanding why. 

The repetition of the "hot girlfriend" trope is OK in and by itself; it is harmless and sometimes very funny (the hostage-like photograph for the Comic Con friends was priceless). Nonetheless, it would be lovely to have something slightly more substantial on the side. 

 

If it happens, good. It it does not, I shall endeavour to live through the pain

 

 More than anything else, what I want is for Leonard to explain to Penny why he loves her so. We know he does and they have laid out the reason at least three times in the show: Penny is a reaction to his mother.

 

The first time was when they were in bed, traumatized by Beverly's first visit in season 2 and Penny kicks him out because he talked about it. The second time is in a conversation between Priya and Penny on why the foreplay lasts so long in season 4. The third time is Sheldon's more detailed "Needy Baby, Greedy Baby" comment during Leonard's daydream in season 5. Leonard and Penny would seem to know the reason he fixates on her but it is never really discussed so It doesn't count as far as I'm concerned.

 

But Leonard does love Penny for emotional needs that she fills in him. He has had other beautiful and successful women who want him but he wants Penny. Period.

 

But the writers want to avoid having that full discussion until later in the show.

Edited August 30, 2013 by BangerMain

[Spaced_up]

one I can think off the top of my head "she’ll be beautiful, and kind and sexy and funny and everything you ever wanted in a woman...and you’ll fall hopelessly in love and give her your heart. And she’ll take it and grind it into pathetic, little pieces."

but of course, you'll only take the "sexy part" and it's fine.

 

Sorry I cannot come up with more, but I really don't care for the Lenny anyway so a Lenny shipper might wanna take it from here. All I was saying is that, again, is really naive to think he only likes her for her body after so many years and after so everything that happened between them.

 

I appreciate this is not your ship but to me Leonard has a fantasy ideal and that is all. The majority of his motivation is purely about how hot Penny is. It's not enough for me to get any real feels over. The first 5 seasons, they were awful and I didn't understand them. I think Morelo has made them more believable in S6 but they still don't talk about that much.

How terrible!  Leonard thinks that Penny is good looking.  How could he?   What a low life.   Did Penny do the movie of her own free will?  Did Leonard drug her, take off he clothes, then made a movie of it?  Did he make a movie of her in the shower without her knowledge?  Here's a crazy idea, if you want to blame anyone, blame PENNY for taking off her clothes.   Besides, showing part of her mommy parts in a movie doesn't make her a bimbo.  Both women and men have breasts of various size.  SO WHAT?

 

So it's Penny's fault? It's too much for her to expect the man she loves to use his common sense. Another reason I find this ship hard to understand is that some Lenny's don't even seem to like Penny. Leonard does something which could be considered a little misguided and it's her fault. 

[3ku11]

^ Lol first five were terrible? The first two seasons were based on Lenny, most of the moments were Lenny. I completley disagree yes Leonard has seen Penny as an object, but thats the whole premise of their relationship, the nerd desiring the hot girl across the hall. And im sorry you need to re watch the first 5 seasons, if you seriousley beleive that they were awful in the first five because of a lack of belivability lol, sorry but that is what it started out as Leonard developing a crush but from the pilot the writers made it clear when Leonard said "our babies well be smart and beautiful" that the premise of the show and the most important relationship well be Lenny. But even in S1 Lenny developed a friendship, thats what makes them believable as most of the touching moments in the show in S1 were Lenny. I'm not telling you who should ship or that is anything wrong of thinking Sheldon and Penny would make a great couple in a AU, it would be interesting, just personally from my POV I've watched the show since the pilot I just don't know where this idea that Penny well ever see Sheldon in a romantic light comes from, I just assumed it was clear it was a love/hate brother/sister maternal relationship, even Kaley and Jim eluded to that fact. I mean If you go back to the pilot the only reason Sheldon and Penny are even friends is because of Leonard, I mean when Leonard and Sheldon first me Penny Sheldon was wanting to go inside, but it was Leonard who first met her that caught his eye, Sheldon at that point had no intention of having anything to do with the new neighbour, it was Leonard's persistence that encouraged him to say Hi to Penny, and then ultimately invite her to lunch. It then was clear in the first scene in the guys apartment, that Leonard and Penny were going to be the central premise and main relationship in the show.  Penny at that point just broke up with her BF and revealed she had been living with him for four years, and the guys kinda become a support system for Penny. Leonard's persistence at integrating her in the group caused Penny to tolerate Sheldon, where as other wise in anothet scenario would of not happened. I think the time machine episode really solidified Leonard as the social nuclues, remember Penny stormed in and accused the guys and told them to grow up, the only one it affected it was Leonard. Also when Penny organised a bday party for Leonard, thought that was a nice moment too. At Penny's costume party their first kiss. I think the episode that prooved to me that Leonard values Penny more then just for her physical beauty, was the one in S3. Sheldon was trying Positive Reinforcement Behavoural Modfication Technique on Penny, as Sheldon presumed Leonard would be appealed by an improoved GF. Leonard showed he values Penny for who she is, he even said somewhere along the lines of her intracisies and her little habits, like her high pitched laugh and how she snorts when she laughs e.tc. Make her who she is. Look all im saying the reasom why Lenny is so strong in s6 and now is how the writers made it clear their was a friendship developing well before they started dating, they had depth in their relationship well before they started dating. And when it comes to the canon relationships in the show shipping doesent exist they are dating that ship has sailed  lol. And I love Sheldon but he has always been brutaly honest with Penny, and has alwys devalued everything in Pennys life when it comes to her education, and espescially her acting career. I mean they only way they would work as a couple even in AU, is if the writers changed every thing that defines Penny and Sheldon's identity. Even if Penny ever saw Sheldon in a romantic light or their was that type of dynamic between them hypothetically speaking, I dont think Penny would have the attention span to tolerate Sheldon's little quips, and I dont think Sheldon would have the patience to deal with Penny's nebraska girl next door personality. I mean imagine them dating when she drives him to work, that relationship woulden't last longer then the car drive Penny would kick him out while driving lol. And dont tell me if Sheldon and Penny were dating they would be written differently, as that woulden't be the case because the central premise of the show was established in the pilot. And I also think the adhesive duck ep prooved to me Penny well never date Sheldon, remember she wasent lupid off the meds and she laughed at the idea of Sheldon undressing her haha, and when Leonard and Penny break up in S3 and Sheldon was their divorced kid kinda ended any chance right their. Its kinda like that ep in S3 Penny wanted to learn about Physics and Sheldon took her on haha, Sheldon diddn't have the patience to deal with Penny's slow pace and he just got frustrated. Besides I saw an interview where Kaley said it would be like Siblings getting together but she has always been pro lenny. So while I love their banter the current relationships well be sustained from now on, because a world without Leonard Penny and Sheldon would have no reason to be friends. But this has been said over and over so anyway.

Edited August 31, 2013 by 3ku11

[Oldnavy]

^ Lol first five were terrible, the first two seasons were based on Lenny, most of the moments were Lenny. I completley disagree yes Leonard has seen Penny as an object, but thats the whole premise of their relationship, the nerd desiring the hot girl acrosd the hall. And im sorry you need to re watch the first 5 seasons, if you seriousley beleive that they were awful in the first five because of a lack of belivability lol, sorry but that is what it started out as Leonard developing a crush but from the pilot the writers made it clear when Leonard said "our babies well be smart and beautiful" that the premise of the show and the most important relationship well be Lenny. But even in S1 Lenny developed a friendship, thats what makes them believable as most of the touching moments in thr show in S1 were Lenny. If you go back to the pilot the only reason Sheldon is even friends is because of Leonard, Leonard's persistence at integrating her in the group caused Penny to tolerate Sheldon, where as other wise in anothet scenario would of not happened. I think the time machine episode really solidified Leonard as the social nuclues, remember Penny stormed in and accused the guys and told them to grow up, the only one it affected it was Leonard. Also when Penny organised a bday party for Leonard, thought that was a nice moment too. At Penny's costume party their first kiss. I think the episode that prooved to me that Leonard values Penny more then just for her physical beauty, was the one in S3. Sheldon was trying Positive Behavoural Modfication Technique on Penny, as Sheldon presumed Leonard would be appealed by an improoved GF. E1 Leonard showed he values Penny for who she is, he even said somewhere along the lines of her intracisies and her little habits, like her high pitched laugh and how she snorts when she laughs e.tc. Make her who she is. Look all im saying the reasom why Lenny is so strong in s6 and now is how the writers made it clear their was a friendship developing well before they started dating. And when it comes to the canon relationships in the show shipping doesent exist they are dating that ship has passed lol. And I love Sheldon but he has always been brutaly honest with Penny, and has alwys devalued everything in Pennys life when it comes to her education, and espescially her acting career. I mean they only way they would work as a couple even in AU, is if the writers changed every thing that defines Penny and Sheldon's identity. Even if Penny ever saw Sheldom in.a romantic light or their was that type of dynamic between them hypithetically speaking, I dont think Penny would have the attention span to tolerte Sheldon's little quips, and I dont think Sheldon would have the patience to deal with Penny's nebraska girl next door personality. Its kinda like that ep in S3 Penny wanted to learn about Physics and Sheldon took her on haha, Sheldon diddn't have the patience to deal with Penny's slow pace and he just got frustrated. Besides I saw an interview where Kaley said it would be like Siblings getting together but she has always been pro lenny. So while I love their banter the current relationships well be sustained from now on, because a world without Leonard Penny and Sheldon would have no reason to be friends. But this has been said over and over so anyway.

I think that you have made some excellent points here.  It is true that Sheldon would not have a friendship with Penny without Leonard.  In fact, Sheldon would not have any friends at all with out Leonard.  Howard and Raj were originally Leonard's friends.  Leonard was the one who invited them over originally.  Sheldon by himself does not have an interest in anyone but himself, he barely tolerates his own siblings,  On his own Sheldon is a lonely AA (Not Army Ants).  Leonard is the counter weight to Sheldon that, in a way, helps to balance Sheldon out.  

 

As for the Lenny relationship, that has been foundational since the pilot.  Penny by herself would not have had the patience to deal with Sheldon.  She would have seen him as "that crazy guy who lives across the hall"  just like the previous occupant of 4B had seen him and she would have avoided him.  She may have been a polite neighbor but she would not have befriended him and would have never seen him as a romantic interest.  Leonard was different though, because despite his crush or one could say because of it, he sought to develop a genuine relationship with her.  He was initially attracted by her physical beauty but in a short amount of time he came to genuinely admire and care for this young lady who lived across the hall from him.  Penny is the opposite of Leonard's mother, but after growing with a mother like that who would want to marry a similar version.  It make sense that Leonard would be attracted to a pretty and caring girls like Penny.  

[carl1970]

Penny has spent the last 3 or 4 months with Sheldon and as usual and expected she cannot wait for Leonard to get back. S/P is such a brother/sister to friendship relationship.  

 

Sheldon just has to learn that Leonard's life will revolve more around Penny's then his.

[Disgusted]

Penny has spent the last 3 or 4 months with Sheldon.......

 

I think one of the next episodes will reveal that Penny has been driven to "something" to reduce the time she had to spend with Sheldon.  

 

Second job, part time at university, I still like the voiceover idea.

[Tensor]

I think one of the next episodes will reveal that Penny has been driven to "something" to reduce the time she had to spend with Sheldon.  

 

Second job, part time at university, I still like the voiceover idea.

Sewer cleaner, crime scene clean up, decomp body pickup, something.

[Disgusted]

Hehheh, how about some flashbacks, Ooh, or a montage, like the "you can be my Mona Lisa" with Ramona.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd2B6SjMh_w

Edited August 30, 2013 by Disgusted

[Chaliceinnana]

Tensor... How about crime documentary reenactress? Those people work.

[Tensor]

Tensor... How about crime documentary reenactress? Those people work.

 

Original comment was Penny finding part time work, to get away from Sheldon.  My list was to indicate that she would even do really really really REALLY crappy jobs to spend time away from Sheldon

[Occam's Chainsaw]

She might even be willing to pay them to do those jobs to get away from Sheldon.

[Tensor]

She might even be willing to pay them to do those jobs to get away from Sheldon.

 

LOL

[bigbangsheldon]

morya just posted that they cancelled this weeks taping.

[rachelshamyfan]

You mean the one they just did?

[Tensor]

No, the 9/4 taping.  Although she did say that it was cancelled three weeks ago.  and selected scenes will be taped on 9/3 and 9/4.  Strange, no audience?

[rachelshamyfan]

Oh

Very strange

[bigbangsheldon]

it is weird that there isnt going to be an audience.. i wonder what they are up to.

[Tensor]

Could it be it's all (or Mostly) exterior and they'll use the audience reaction when it's shown on the monitors?

[ArmyGirl]

Could it be it's all (or Mostly) exterior and they'll use the audience reaction when it's shown on the monitors?

 

I hope it's something like this and not ------- I don't want to say it out loud.

[Occam's Chainsaw]

It's really the only explanation that makes sense. I highly doubt that it is some big reveal that they don't want anyone to know about, because they need the audience reactions and if they don't film in front of an audience they need to show it to an audience at some point to get the laugh track. And when they do someone in that audience is going to talk.

[Letícia Parsons Jackson]

It's really the only explanation that makes sense. I highly doubt that it is some big reveal that they don't want anyone to know about, because they need the audience reactions and if they don't film in front of an audience they need to show it to an audience at some point to get the laugh track. And when they do someone in that audience is going to talk.

 

Or maybe they will just use recorded laugh tracks...