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Maybe Wil makes his directorial debut after it falls through, I could see that being a much funnier storyline than it ending with everyone getting fired. 

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Maybe Wil makes his directorial debut after it falls through, I could see that being a much funnier storyline than it ending with everyone getting fired. 

That would be awesome actually.  Will could revamp it then it becomes this weird cult classic and Penny's big break comes from that etc.  The more I think about it, the more awesome the idea becomes :)

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this is what nightmares are made of

 

Only for people who take this stuff so seriously that they actually have nightmares about it. ;)

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Only for people who take this stuff so seriously that they actually have nightmares about it. ;)

 

nightmares aren't actually that serious but ok

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I'd hate to see a career set-back for Penny since they've started pushing this arc. If it moves the Lenny ahead without destroying her self-confidence, then I'd have less of a problem with it. Was also going to incorporate SA-2 into my fic, guess I'll hold off until the taping report.

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I'd hate to see a career set-back for Penny since they've started pushing this arc. If it moves the Lenny ahead without destroying her self-confidence, then I'd have less of a problem with it. Was also going to incorporate SA-2 into my fic, guess I'll hold off until the taping report.

I find hard to believe with all that's happened that they go back to square one. Maybe she asked to be another movie because of SA2 or has to decide between two movies. Sort of like Raj going from 0 to 2 women at once.

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I'd hate to see a career set-back for Penny since they've started pushing this arc. If it moves the Lenny ahead without destroying her self-confidence, then I'd have less of a problem with it. Was also going to incorporate SA-2 into my fic, guess I'll hold off until the taping report.

Ahhhhhh, the dangers of writing fan fic that incorporates canon.

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I got the impression from the spoiler that the problem was with a high-brow director who considered himself slumming by taking the movie. Perhaps we'll see an art-house Serial Apeist sequel?

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Ahhhhhh, the dangers of writing fan fic that incorporates canon.

I'm probably far enough off canon now that it might not matter.

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I'd hate to see a career set-back for Penny since they've started pushing this arc. If it moves the Lenny ahead without destroying her self-confidence, then I'd have less of a problem with it. Was also going to incorporate SA-2 into my fic, guess I'll hold off until the taping report.

 

It wouldn't move them ahead, it would just destroy the character of Penny by making her dependent and him some sort of sugar daddy. If that itself didn't destroy her self-confidence, then they would have officially destroyed her character completely. She'd have no pride. 

 

Bottom line: No Leonard moving in. The point of having her quit TCF was to eliminate her safety net, not get another one. There's a lot more dignity in going back to waiting tables than there is in relying completely on someone else to pay your bills. And yes, I know he already loaned her rent money, once, four years ago. Not the same thing at all. 

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Well, he did just buy her a car.

JMHO, but I see them as a unit. How often do couples in the real world pool their resources to help one or the other achieve a goal? This is no different than one person working to support the other through college, as far as I'm concerned. He is not her sugar daddy; they are a couple. The two are dependent on each other in many ways. Penny didn't quit the Cheesecake Factory to be independent, but to try to achieve her dream. If Leonard living with her furthers this, than I'm all for it.

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Well, he did just buy her a car.

JMHO, but I see them as a unit. How often do couples in the real world pool their resources to help one or the other achieve a goal? This is no different than one person working to support the other through college, as far as I'm concerned. He is not her sugar daddy; they are a couple. The two are dependent on each other in many ways. Penny didn't quit the Cheesecake Factory to be independent, but to try to achieve her dream. If Leonard living with her furthers this, than I'm all for it.

 

Yes, I wasn't too happy about that either. That whole thing was too much. But at least in that situation it was a gift, something she did not ask for or expect, unlike moving in out of necessity would be. 

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I think part of the problem with Lenny fans IMO is they don't want Penny dependent on Leonard but they don't like things between them as they are. A good example is that spoiler clip. Penny is in a bathrobe suggesting she had stayed the night but we see her talking to Sheldon. People are looking at the lesser of two evils. While some want her independence that keeps the status quo between them while others want things in their relationship to advance at the cost of Penny's independence. It seems a real proposal would be a compromise.

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IMO, I always thought it was a normal thing for couples to depend on each other (within reason) while still maintaining healthy independence. I think that is a testament to a strong relationship. There for each other through good times and bad but also to support one another, should the need arise.

Comparing it to my own life, I would do anything to help my partner should she need me. Whether that means financial support, ect. and vice versa.

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I'm fine with him being her rock. She should be fine with this, not only because every artist needs a patron, but because you don't stand by and let the one you love suffer. And to be pragmatic, she really is aiming for a one in a million shot. Without him she would have to settle for something more mundane. And he is putting his life on hold for her.

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It wouldn't move them ahead, it would just destroy the character of Penny by making her dependent and him some sort of sugar daddy.

I'd buy this if they didn't love each other.

 

If that itself didn't destroy her self-confidence, then they would have officially destroyed her character completely. She'd have no pride.

Yep, I can see it if they didn't love each other.

 

Bottom line: No Leonard moving in. The point of having her quit TCF was to eliminate her safety net, not get another one.

Funny, she said it was to FOCUS all her energy, you know concentrate on just the acting career. Not once did she say it was to eliminate the safety net(I just know re-watched several episodes)

 

There's a lot more dignity in going back to waiting tables than there is in relying completely on someone else to pay your bills.

I'm so glad you think my daughter had no dignity or pride when she allowed her then boyfriend to move in. Relying on him to pay the bills while she ran around the state and country trying to get her career started. Of course, the two of them were in love, something you evidently think Penny and Leonard are not.

 

And yes, I know he already loaned her rent money, once, four years ago. Not the same thing at all.

He just bought her a car, which is the same thing. The way they are currently written, they are working together to get her career going. I find her accepting help from someone she loves, has had discussions about getting married to, far from being without pride or without dignity. I see two people, who are in love, working toward a common goal, Penny's career.

Of course, it would appear that you would think Leonard has no pride or dignity for accepting Penny help at the memorial service last year.

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It wouldn't move them ahead, it would just destroy the character of Penny by making her dependent and him some sort of sugar daddy. If that itself didn't destroy her self-confidence, then they would have officially destroyed her character completely. She'd have no pride. 

 

Bottom line: No Leonard moving in. The point of having her quit TCF was to eliminate her safety net, not get another one. There's a lot more dignity in going back to waiting tables than there is in relying completely on someone else to pay your bills. And yes, I know he already loaned her rent money, once, four years ago. Not the same thing at all. 

 

 

What is all this crap about her being dependent on him is going to destroy her pride.  She has depended on people since she got to California and her pride seems fine.  Remember she lived with Kurt for years.  The first episode she didn't have any trouble asking Leonard to go get her TV.  She comes to their apartment for free food, that has been referenced in may episodes.  She had borrowed money from Leonard and Sheldon at least once each, lots of money at least $1400 from Leonard.  Leonard even bought her an airline ticket to go home and visit her family, remember she saved it in her box.  She didn't seem to have any problem taking their free help on the Penny Blossoms.  And now Leonard gave her a car, how much does a good used car cost in California, $5000-10000.  Penny would have never been able to live where she does if she didn't have someone to depend on, throughout the years she has been living there, that is one of the character traits of her.  So how is now moving in with Leonard, who loves her and wants her to succeed, only now going to be a sugar-daddy situation or hurt her pride or make her completely dependent on him anymore than she has been before.

I wish to also say, I don't mean to single you out, but I wanted to quote someone.  This comment applies to all who say her pride will be hurt is bad for her to be dependent and this will ruin her someway.

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I don't think it should be hard to understand that people are going to be upset ~if~ the writers created this whole plot to do something with Penny's career for once and it was really just a Lenny plot device to get them to move in together cause she's poor. She hasn't had any success in 7 years.

 

I just don't get how Lenny fans could like this scenario at all. Penny will NOT be happy and they won't really be happy living together because of the reasons. To me it's just as bad as if Shamy have sex drunk for the first time. 

 

I just hope there is something for Penny at the end of this, if the movie is gone of course.

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Here's my two cents', which isn't worth nearly that much.  Romantic partners are so close, one person's aspirations become the other's aspirations as well.  It is completely natural (and smart) for them to pool their resources to work toward that goal.  It would be different if she were lazy and not trying to contribute, but she's working hard.  It would also be different if that were the only reason she stayed with him, but the writers have made it abundantly clear that Lenny are in love. 

 

Having said that, when it comes time to take the next step in a relationship, whether moving in together or getting married, you always hope the catalyst is the two partners feel ready based on where they are in the relationship.  Financial concerns aren't the best reason to make relationship decisions.  I think that's what people are reacting to.

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I agree with almost everything you said except the Serial Apeist part. I fail to see how this role makes her successful. This role to me is one step above the porn movie she turned down in season 4. The last episode showed how stupid the script was with Penny running around in a bikini (I personally loved that) wrestling a gorilla. To me it would be better if she got a more legit acting role because of the movie and had some real acting success. I don't really have an opinion about Penny and Leonard living together but I would prefer if they did so because they wanted to instead of needing to.

What is considered legit?  Just because the role is crappy doesn't mean it's not legit.  And sometimes you have to take crappy roles until you get your break.  This guy did a lot of little stuff until he finally got a break a few years ago.

 

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Penny might be moving in with Sheldon too you know. It doesn't work for anybody really. But take away the timing - say serial apist didn't happen and she was still a barely coping waitress - would it ever be a good time? Outside of a remarkably remote circumstance occurring, it is always about them being poles apart, and surmounting that. Does this make Penny a chattel? Only if Leonard thinks that way.

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Penny might be moving in with Sheldon too you know. It doesn't work for anybody really. But take away the timing - say serial apist didn't happen and she was still a barely coping waitress - would it ever be a good time? Outside of a remarkably remote circumstance occurring, it is always about them being poles apart, and surmounting that. Does this make Penny a chattel? Only if Leonard thinks that way.

 

Exactly, Leonard wants to move in with her because he loves her, he also wants to make her happy, so he is helping her with her dreams.  Penny moved in with Kurt because she thought she loved him, she will move in with Leonard because of the same reason, the money thing will just be a catalyst for her to think about in seriously, it will not be the actual reason.  Penny's pride and self-esteem with not be hurt.

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I don't think it should be hard to understand that people are going to be upset ~if~ the writers created this whole plot to do something with Penny's career for once and it was really just a Lenny plot device to get them to move in together cause she's poor. She hasn't had any success in 7 years.

 

I just don't get how Lenny fans could like this scenario at all. Penny will NOT be happy and they won't really be happy living together because of the reasons. To me it's just as bad as if Shamy have sex drunk for the first time.

See this is one reason I find it so hard to understand. Why would Penny be unhappy about it? Someone she loves and who loves her back offers to move in with her so she can continue to chase her dream. I just don't get why this is such a bad thing. Was she unhappy with the car? Didn't seem like it. It appears to me that those who don't like the idea of them moving in together, somehow equate Penny moving in with Leoanrd, who she loves, because she is short of money, as the same as her moving in with some random guy off the street, as a quid pro quo deal.

There are real life examples of people supporting each other (I gave my daughter as an example) and all you have to do is look at medical residents (among others) to see the same thing.

Do they have to make it easy? Nope, Penny has issues about this for sure. Can they use it as a way for her to get past those issues, easily. Something has to change to get Penny to accept living together, which, by Penny's statement, has nothing to do with how her career is going. Why not a conscious decision on her part that her chasing her career is more important to her than being afraid of living with the person she loves?

 

I just hope there is something for Penny at the end of this, if the movie is gone of course.

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