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Nothing is resolved about who is moving where.

In the taping report, Leonard suggests both possibilities--himself moving in across the hall with Penny or Sheldon moving across the hall.  I do think it's rude of Leonard to even suggest that Sheldon be the one to move out, and I think that's one of the elements that made Sheldon really angry.

 

I don't know that anyone's going to be moving any time soon, because of how it would change the group dynamic and how they use the boys' apartment as the gang's gathering place.  It could be that the discussion of the eventual change in living arrangements was brought up for two logistical reasons--the writers planting the seed of an eventual change, now that L/P are engaged, and the more immediate issue of pilling a bunch of life changes onto Sheldon to help push him to the point of running away from home.

I don't know that L/P are going to move right away, but I think that if anyone is going to move it's eventually going to be Leonard moving in with Penny.  Or even though everyone seems against it, I can see Penny moving in with Leonard while Sheldon stays put.  I think it would be full of awkward humor and antagonism, but still keep the apartment as the main focus of get-togethers, but with possible changes in how the place looks--or not.

 

But I really object to the idea of Leonard thinking it would be okay for he and Penny to take over what has always been Sheldon's home.  The guy who is getting married should be the one to move out, plain and simple.  Especially since Sheldon isn't the one who wants to change his living quarters.  Whether or not he wants or needs a roommate, he's not seeking change and shouldn't be pressured to move out.

 

Anyway, like I said, the idea of a change in arrangements is something they could play with for a while, if they want to.

I agree with you on nobody is moving anytime soon. I'm not sure what the objection is of Sheldon moving. Leonard states in the beginning that Lenny wants to live together by themselves. It's seems insulting that Sheldon thinks he's more important to Leonard than Penny. Nobody's pressuring Sheldon here. Another possibility is Lenny completely moving out of the building. Would Sheldon want that? If he had Penny's apartment wouldn't the rent be less? Sheldon's apartment when Leonard moved in had lawn chairs and Leonard brought in all the friends and furniture that he has now. Wouldn't you think Sheldon would be willing to go along with whatever Leonard decides since Leonard has always been accommodating to Sheldon over the years? Leonard is Sheldon's best friend and wouldn't best friends do that for one another? Oh I am forgetting this is Sheldon Cooper!!!!!!! 

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Nothing is resolved about who is moving where.

In the taping report, Leonard suggests both possibilities--himself moving in across the hall with Penny or Sheldon moving across the hall.  I do think it's rude of Leonard to even suggest that Sheldon be the one to move out, and I think that's one of the elements that made Sheldon really angry.

 

I don't know that anyone's going to be moving any time soon, because of how it would change the group dynamic and how they use the boys' apartment as the gang's gathering place.  It could be that the discussion of the eventual change in living arrangements was brought up for two logistical reasons--the writers planting the seed of an eventual change, now that L/P are engaged, and the more immediate issue of pilling a bunch of life changes onto Sheldon to help push him to the point of running away from home.

I don't know that L/P are going to move right away, but I think that if anyone is going to move it's eventually going to be Leonard moving in with Penny.  Or even though everyone seems against it, I can see Penny moving in with Leonard while Sheldon stays put.  I think it would be full of awkward humor and antagonism, but still keep the apartment as the main focus of get-togethers, but with possible changes in how the place looks--or not.

 

But I really object to the idea of Leonard thinking it would be okay for he and Penny to take over what has always been Sheldon's home.  The guy who is getting married should be the one to move out, plain and simple.  Especially since Sheldon isn't the one who wants to change his living quarters.  Whether or not he wants or needs a roommate, he's not seeking change and shouldn't be pressured to move out.

 

Anyway, like I said, the idea of a change in arrangements is something they could play with for a while, if they want to.

 

I agree that it took some brass ones for Leonard to suggest that Sheldon move out of his own home  - I am sure there must be a clause in the room mate agreement that covers room mate engagements, although Sheldon probably never foresaw the possibility of either getting married, so maybe not - Penny lives right across the hall, so I don't think there will be any rush to change the living arrangements until the wedding and then they can decide who moves,

but it should be Sheldon's idea to move out and take Penny's apartment, if that's what happens, not Leonard's.

 

I found this quote from Jim Parsons in the article quite interesting.

“It was very interesting to read it for the first time and then to play the final episode because it really gets at the crux of something that is perhaps his defining characteristic as a character on television — which is his resistance to change. If you look at it through that lens, so many of the things he does, the things he says, the places he sits, etc, have everything to do with the fact that this is the way it’s done, this is the right way to do it and this has served him fairly well as a human. They’ve got him in a situation now, the writers do, where it’s not possible to carry on without some of these changes.”

 

You would think that ,apart from the writers, Jim would understand Sheldon better than anyone else. In light of so much angst from Shamy shippers - and I get where you guys are coming from and am not criticising your responses to your ship's rocky journey in the finale - it is interesting that Jim focuses on the crux of his character's traits rather than the duality of the Sheldon/Amy relationship issues. 

Many argue Sheldon has changed too much from S1 to now - I myself don't like the selfish, nasty Sheldon we get sometimes these days compared to the clueless, 100% honest Sheldon of early seasons. But Jim for me does nail down the crux of the issue for Sheldon - he doesn't like change. And everything about Season 7 is change for Sheldon. Change of romantic emotions with Amy, change of living conditions (confirmation of definitely losing Leonard to Penny) , change of family relationship with his Mum, change of work conditions and losing his confidence in string theory and his genius, change of his feelings towards losing people important to him ( he pretends he doesn't care about mourning death but clearly is), change of him being the centre of the universe in his mind ( not evident until after the Table episode - probably the last win he has had )  have all been built up by the writers so that Sheldon has no choice but to work out how he is going to cope. 

 

While Shamy shippers will understandably focus on the undeniable bad treatment of Amy and criticise the writers for the sloppy, inconsistent story lines, non shippers are possibly more interested in the personal story of Sheldon they have been following since Season 1, before the Amy influence of S4 and beyond. I'm probably with Jim on this  one. I'm fascinated by how Sheldon is going to handle it all and look forward to Season 8 and how it transpires. I'm merely interested in how the Shamy relationship develops. I do hope it works out though - I like their chemistry and what it brings to the show.

 

 

I think Sheldon bolting because of so much change so fast is completely in character for him, he has always had a set way of doing things and to have his routines messed with and blown apart would scare him to the point of wanting to run and get away for a while until he can sort through it all, gather himself and process a new routine - I like the idea of Sheldon wandering the country all summer trying to cope with his new reality, and it will be interesting to see what changes he is prepared to make when he returns home.

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I agree with you on nobody is moving anytime soon. I'm not sure what the objection is of Sheldon moving. Leonard states in the beginning that Lenny wants to live together by themselves. It's seems insulting that Sheldon thinks he's more important to Leonard than Penny. Nobody's pressuring Sheldon here. Another possibility is Lenny completely moving out of the building. Would Sheldon want that? If he had Penny's apartment wouldn't the rent be less? Sheldon's apartment when Leonard moved in had lawn chairs and Leonard brought in all the friends and furniture that he has now. Wouldn't you think Sheldon would be willing to go along with whatever Leonard decides since Leonard has always been accommodating to Sheldon over the years? Leonard is Sheldon's best friend and wouldn't best friends do that for one another? Oh I am forgetting this is Sheldon Cooper!!!!!!! 

 

Leonard is the one getting married, not Sheldon, so Leonard should be the one looking for another place to live, whether it's across the hall with Penny or in some completely different place.  But he has no right to suggest that Sheldon move out.  Why should Sheldon move to accomodate Leonard?  It has nothing to do with anything Leonard might have done for Sheldon.  Leonard moved into Sheldon's apartment because he was looking for a place to live.  Sheldon was already there.  Whatever Leonard might have brought along over the years has nothing to do with the fact that it's still Sheldon's home and Leonard has no right to suggest that he move out.

 

I don't think he was pressuring him to move out.  The way it read to me in the promo, and knowing what I know from the taping report, Sheldon says that he's been thinking about Penny possibly moving in, and in his typical change-without-change way, Sheldon suggests that she might live with them one day a week (except when she's in her period).  He's willing to consider change, as long as it's only a microscopic change that doesn't really change anything.

So Leonard has to point out that he and Penny want to live together but without Sheldon, and says that he might move in with Penny or that Penny might move in with him and Sheldon could move across the hall.

That's when Sheldon gets mad and says the thing about Leonard putting Penny over him, which is natural on the one hand, but rude if Leonard thinks that Sheldon moving out of his own home is something he should even suggest.

The person getting married is the one who should move out.  Period.

 

Whether or not Sheldon wants to live there on his own is a separate question.  And if Sheldon decides he wants to take Penny's apartment and offer L/P the bigger apartment, that should be his choice to make, not Leonard's suggestion.  Leonard doesn't have the right to make that suggestion, no matter how many couches or people he brought into Sheldon's life.  He brought them into SHELDON'S home and it's still Sheldon's home, regardless of the furniture and number of friends.

 

And of course Sheldon's going to balk at the idea that Penny is more important to Leonard than he himself is.  That's pure Sheldon.  But that still has nothing to do with whether or not Leonard should suggest that Sheldon move out of his own home.  If Leonard is really Sheldon's friend, then he wouldn't suggest such a thing.

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I found this quote from Jim Parsons in the article quite interesting.

“It was very interesting to read it for the first time and then to play the final episode because it really gets at the crux of something that is perhaps his defining characteristic as a character on television — which is his resistance to change. If you look at it through that lens, so many of the things he does, the things he says, the places he sits, etc, have everything to do with the fact that this is the way it’s done, this is the right way to do it and this has served him fairly well as a human. They’ve got him in a situation now, the writers do, where it’s not possible to carry on without some of these changes.”

 

You would think that ,apart from the writers, Jim would understand Sheldon better than anyone else. In light of so much angst from Shamy shippers - and I get where you guys are coming from and am not criticising your responses to your ship's rocky journey in the finale - it is interesting that Jim focuses on the crux of his character's traits rather than the duality of the Sheldon/Amy relationship issues. 

Many argue Sheldon has changed too much from S1 to now - I myself don't like the selfish, nasty Sheldon we get sometimes these days compared to the clueless, 100% honest Sheldon of early seasons. But Jim for me does nail down the crux of the issue for Sheldon - he doesn't like change. And everything about Season 7 is change for Sheldon. Change of romantic emotions with Amy, change of living conditions (confirmation of definitely losing Leonard to Penny) , change of family relationship with his Mum, change of work conditions and losing his confidence in string theory and his genius, change of his feelings towards losing people important to him ( he pretends he doesn't care about mourning death but clearly is), change of him being the centre of the universe in his mind ( not evident until after the Table episode - probably the last win he has had )  have all been built up by the writers so that Sheldon has no choice but to work out how he is going to cope. 

 

While Shamy shippers will understandably focus on the undeniable bad treatment of Amy and criticise the writers for the sloppy, inconsistent story lines, non shippers are possibly more interested in the personal story of Sheldon they have been following since Season 1, before the Amy influence of S4 and beyond. I'm probably with Jim on this  one. I'm fascinated by how Sheldon is going to handle it all and look forward to Season 8 and how it transpires. I'm merely interested in how the Shamy relationship develops. I do hope it works out though - I like their chemistry and what it brings to the show.

I'm guessing he's focusing on the quirks because these have kept him going for the last 30+ years.  Jim definitely understands his character but trying to figure out how to adapt and accept all the changes, especially changes in routine, is something entirely different, IMO.  He can deal with it when it's little stuff but he doesn't like it when it's thrown in his face or something someone says/does makes him realize change has happened.  For example, he was not happy in Table Polarization when Leonard bought the table, Lenny mentioned how much Amy has changed him or Amy suggested he move in with her.

 

The quirks Sheldon has are the ones exhibited by people with OCD and ASD but the writers won't label him this way.  Maybe this is why Jim doesn't really know how they're going to resolve what's happened.  There are many ways to help people with these special needs but it's much harder when the person is an adult.

 

Actually we're interested in both his story and the his relationship with Amy.  :-D

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The one thing I don't understand is statements that say Leonard has no right to suggest that Sheldon leave the apartment.  No offence to anyone but it just cracks me up that a grown man does not have a right to suggest something that I would think would be protected under the First Amendment.  

 

Leonard has every right to try to come up with ideas that will compliment his and his future wife's happiness and well being.  The fact that he is at all considering Sheldon's feelings - and yes he is with his suggestions - is more than many people would do.  

 

 

 

 

The quirks Sheldon has are the ones exhibited by people with OCD and ASD but the writers won't label him this way.  Maybe this is why Jim doesn't really know how they're going to resolve what's happened.  There are many ways to help people with these special needs but it's much harder when the person is an adult.

 

 

 

My opinion on why they won't label him is that as soon as they do, then they really can't joke about it anymore.  It becomes mean.  That is why Sheldon is just Sheldon - a breed of his own...

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Leonard is the one getting married, not Sheldon, so Leonard should be the one looking for another place to live, whether it's across the hall with Penny or in some completely different place.  But he has no right to suggest that Sheldon move out.  Why should Sheldon move to accomodate Leonard?  It has nothing to do with anything Leonard might have done for Sheldon.  Leonard moved into Sheldon's apartment because he was looking for a place to live.  Sheldon was already there.  Whatever Leonard might have brought along over the years has nothing to do with the fact that it's still Sheldon's home and Leonard has no right to suggest that he move out.

 

I don't think he was pressuring him to move out.  The way it read to me in the promo, and knowing what I know from the taping report, Sheldon says that he's been thinking about Penny possibly moving in, and in his typical change-without-change way, Sheldon suggests that she might live with them one day a week (except when she's in her period).  He's willing to consider change, as long as it's only a microscopic change that doesn't really change anything.

So Leonard has to point out that he and Penny want to live together but without Sheldon, and says that he might move in with Penny or that Penny might move in with him and Sheldon could move across the hall.

That's when Sheldon gets mad and says the thing about Leonard putting Penny over him, which is natural on the one hand, but rude if Leonard thinks that Sheldon moving out of his own home is something he should even suggest.

The person getting married is the one who should move out.  Period.

 

Whether or not Sheldon wants to live there on his own is a separate question.  And if Sheldon decides he wants to take Penny's apartment and offer L/P the bigger apartment, that should be his choice to make, not Leonard's suggestion.  Leonard doesn't have the right to make that suggestion, no matter how many couches or people he brought into Sheldon's life.  He brought them into SHELDON'S home and it's still Sheldon's home, regardless of the furniture and number of friends.

 

And of course Sheldon's going to balk at the idea that Penny is more important to Leonard than he himself is.  That's pure Sheldon.  But that still has nothing to do with whether or not Leonard should suggest that Sheldon move out of his own home.  If Leonard is really Sheldon's friend, then he wouldn't suggest such a thing.

I never understand why Leonard is rude and Sheldon is Sheldon. I guess I'm guilty of it too but it just gives Sheldon an excuse for his bad behavior. Sheldon as you pointed out suggested living there one day a week unless she's having her period. Sheldon has no right to make such a rude comment. If I was Leonard I would have walked out the door right then. Instead he first suggested he would move to Penny's first and then suggested Sheldon move to Penny apartment. If Sheldon hadn't been rude to begin with Leonard may not have suggested it. If they were discussing the situation in a normal matter I would agree that Leonard shouldn't of given him the suggestion of  moving out. But he didn't. Why can't Sheldon compromise?  You mentioned that Sheldon balked at the idea that Penny being more important to Leonard than he is as "pure Sheldon". "Pure Sheldon" needs to go away and hopefully? come back in Season 8 a changed Sheldon. Obviously PP death didn't mean much to him because his behavior towards others has not changed.

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Leonard: Sheldon, Penny and I are moving to a new apartment building

Sheldon: You can't! First you're moving out and now away. Who will take care of me.

Leonard: Sorry buddy, but Penny's apartment is too small for the two of us and our stuff.

Sheldon: What if we swap apartments, then you can stay across the hall.

Leonard: You sure, you have lived there for 10 years.

Sheldon: Well my spot would be in eternal dibs, and we would need a neighbors agreement but I can live with it, for my little buddy.

Leonard: Okay, if you are sure. I'll tell Penny.

Penny: (from inside her apartment). OH CRAP!

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It's Sheldon and Leonard's home, so he has every right to suggest he move out. They both rent it, so it is equal parts theirs. It doesn't matter if Sheldon moved in first, especially after ten years. He certainly wouldn't be the first to leave because his roommate is moving forward with their life.

The outrage over Leonard daring to merely suggest Sheldon move out is laughable. He should be expected to adapt to minor changes. With him AWOL and likely running home to mommy, I suggest Leonard and Penny take the liberty to move in. After all, it's Leonard's home too.

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I agree that it took some brass ones for Leonard to suggest that Sheldon move out of his own home  - I am sure there must be a clause in the room mate agreement that covers room mate engagements, although Sheldon probably never foresaw the possibility of either getting married, so maybe not - Penny lives right across the hall, so I don't think there will be any rush to change the living arrangements until the wedding and then they can decide who moves,

but it should be Sheldon's idea to move out and take Penny's apartment, if that's what happens, not Leonard's.

 

 

I think that you are looking at it all wrong. Why did it take bass ones for leonard to suggest that? The apartment was originally rented to Sheldon, but it was not his own house. So by suggesting that Sheldon move he's not throwing him out, just doing it for practical reasons, since Penny's aprtmetn would be able to fit Sheldon , but not Penny and Leonard. Besides, I think it would be much easier for Leonard to just move somewhere else with Penny, and take all his furniture from "Sheldon's" apartment in the process. He didn't say it to push Sheldon out of "his" home, but just being practical, and having him near by so he can continue to help him.

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The person getting married is the one who should move out.  Period.

 

No, not period. There are always exceptions to rules, and you have to be cognizant of the fact that the Sheldon/Penny/Leonard situation is an exception to normal personal relationships because Sheldon, himself, is "different" and nowhere remotely near normal, and his dependence on Penny and Leonard is quite real and extensive. To me, Leonard was simply floating possibilities as they struck him at that moment, and frankly, Sheldon should be grateful that despite the fact that Leonard and Penny are engaged, going to live together, and getting ready to move on, Leonard's mind still works along the lines of keeping Sheldon near him. Because that's all it is - Penny and Leonard want to live together alone, and Leonard might move in with Penny, OR they might switch around apartments because Leonard continues to consider Sheldon as part of his life and isn't stretching to think too far outside of the box. If Leonard was really operating as a man who wanted to move on with his life, move in with his finance, and was ready to leave Sheldon behind, he would be thinking along the lines of moving into a new building, of making a clean break, of having him and Penny move into an apartment which would be a new and equal start for both of them.

 

That's what a normal guy would do. That's what a normal couple would do. That's how a normal situation would probably work out.

 

But Leonard still considers Sheldon a responsibility of his, and even though he wants to live with Penny, he's still only considering the possibilities which would allow all 3 of them to remain in the same place and remain close together. He still has what he considers his responsibilities and friendship to Sheldon on his mind, so his mind is only entertaining the very limited possibilities of how things could work where he and Penny have a space to themselves but Sheldon is still close, which is either Leonard moves in with Penny, or Sheldon and Penny switches places. This is not irrational nor rude, it's actually inclusive, and logical, and reasonable. Moreover, it's nothing but speculation.

 

If Penny, Leonard and Sheldon want to stay close together without a lot of upheaval in their lives, there's only 2 possible ways to do it, and Leonard mentioned both because he's not a moron and in a moment can take all of this under consideration:

 

1) Live alone with Penny

2) Not move too far from Sheldon, who still needs me

3) Not cause a lot of upheaval or huge changes or discomfort in any of our lives

 

Only two possible solutions. MIght as well put both ideas out there on the table. If Sheldon rejects them all, then Leonard and Penny are free to move onto other options and completely move on and separate from Sheldon, at which point the Sheldon as we know him right now is seriously screwed unless his girlfriend is going to drive him to and from work, take him shopping for all of his needs, help him carry things upstairs, and basically....well, why shouldn't she live with him if she's doing all of that? Why should she go out of her way to do all of that for him? And that opens up a whole new can of worms for Sheldon. Frankly, he should probably be grateful to take Penny's apartment, because he can take a much more reasonable stance to keep Amy at a distance he's comfortable with, and he can still rely on Penny and Leonard to babysit all of those needs he has issue handling for himself.

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Maybe they will all move to a new building...good grief...let's just wait and see where the writers go with the living arrangement stuff.  I personally think they have made Sheldon's couch such an icon and such a grounding piece for Sheldon that it will be interesting to see if he forgoes everything that grounded him before when he returns or not.  

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I think I would be devastated if Sheldon lived anywhere other than 4A.

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I think I would be devastated if Sheldon lived anywhere other than 4A.

 

 

Honestly, I doubt he will.   I think they will want to keep one part of his life unchanged and that is his apartment and couch. 

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I think I would be devastated if Sheldon lived anywhere other than 4A.

Personally, I just picture Sheldon in 4A and have a hard time seeing him leaving. My objection is to the idea that Leonard speculating was rude, especially when he was clearly taking Sheldon's desire to remain close into consideration.

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I don't think it was rude, or that he's out of line for suggesting it. Just between two normal people, it wouldn't be a big deal. On FRIENDS, Monica asked Rachel to move out when Chandler was moving in (but then again, Monica owned the apartment first, so it's quite different, imo). But come on, was Leonard expecting anything less than outrage to that suggestion? If he understands him so well, and I believe he does better than anyone with the exception of Amy, why would he even suggest it? Especially on a day when he knows he's dealing with a career crisis. I think the prospect of having his apartment, his 0000,  taken away from him on top of not having his roommate anymore freaked the hell out of Sheldon, and rightly so. IMO. But was Leonard an asshole for bringing it up? Nah.

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I think I would be devastated if Sheldon lived anywhere other than 4A.

 

I too thought the same thing about Sheldon and String Theory...  but he was too much of a coward to face some real challenges....even thought he boasts and boasts about his infinite intelligence.... and is now looking to CHANGE his research area.... CHANGE which others should not do....but he can do it....what a hypocrite...wish someone had brought this up in the finale......

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Whether or not Sheldon wants to live there on his own is a separate question.  And if Sheldon decides he wants to take Penny's apartment and offer L/P the bigger apartment, that should be his choice to make, not Leonard's suggestion.  Leonard doesn't have the right to make that suggestion, no matter how many couches or people he brought into Sheldon's life.  He brought them into SHELDON'S home and it's still Sheldon's home, regardless of the furniture and number of friends.

 

And of course Sheldon's going to balk at the idea that Penny is more important to Leonard than he himself is.  That's pure Sheldon.  But that still has nothing to do with whether or not Leonard should suggest that Sheldon move out of his own home.  If Leonard is really Sheldon's friend, then he wouldn't suggest such a thing.

 

The excerpt from you post that is referenced above is teh part of your post I most disagree with. i think you are wrong. Of course Leonard has a right to suggest it, because in doing so he is looking for a practical soluction to be alone with Penny, but also have his friend nearby so he can help him, so wether you see it or not he is sugesting that solution for both their sakes.

And the fact that Sheldon balks at the idea that Penny is more important to Leonard than he is , is pure Sheldon doesn't make it right and should be adressed as well.

Last but not least It really isn't Sheldon's home. At this stage I'm pretty sure both their names are on the lease. And regardless of that Sheldon can always say no. Nobody's pushing him out of his residence. IMO, whatever the answer Lleonard definitely has every right to at least suggest it. 

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Personally, I just picture Sheldon in 4A and have a hard time seeing him leaving. My objection is to the idea that Leonard speculating was rude, especially when he was clearly taking Sheldon's desire to remain close into consideration.

 

Exactly what I was basically trying to say although your post about it was, as usual, far more eloquent... 

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I think I would be devastated if Sheldon lived anywhere other than 4A.

Personally, I just picture Sheldon in 4A and have a hard time seeing him leaving. My objection is to the idea that Leonard speculating was rude, especially when he was clearly taking Sheldon's desire to remain close into consideration.

Still, "home is where the heart is" etc. He may at some point have to show he places a higher priority on someone, rather than some thing, or some place. Luckily, when he gets back from Tibet or Nepal or the ashram next season he will have realised this. Then again, if he is travelling, and we have seen he is not a great traveller, maybe he only gets as far as Pismo Beach, so I have no idea how much he will change. I'm guessing it will take him three years to leave the building. But Leonard was being rational not rude and we know Sheldon is the opposite.

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Leonard: Sheldon, Penny and I are moving to a new apartment building

Sheldon: You can't! First you're moving out and now away. Who will take care of me.

Leonard: Sorry buddy, but Penny's apartment is too small for the two of us and our stuff.

Sheldon: What if we swap apartments, then you can stay across the hall.

Leonard: You sure, you have lived there for 10 years.

Sheldon: Well my spot would be in eternal dibs, and we would need a neighbors agreement but I can live with it, for my little buddy.

Leonard: Okay, if you are sure. I'll tell Penny.

Penny: (from inside her apartment). OH CRAP!

 

OR:

 

Leonard: Sheldon, Penny and I want to live together, but without you.

Sheldon: You're moving out?

Leonard: No, we decided we fit better in this apartment, so pack your crap and get out.  There's a nice little one-bedroom across the hall.

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Then again, if he is travelling, and we have seen he is not a great traveller, maybe he only gets as far as Pismo Beach,

As long as he remembers to takes the left turn at Albuquerque.

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Leonard: Sheldon, Penny and I are moving to a new apartment building

Sheldon: You can't! First you're moving out and now away. Who will take care of me.

Leonard: Sorry buddy, but Penny's apartment is too small for the two of us and our stuff.

Sheldon: What if we swap apartments, then you can stay across the hall.

Leonard: You sure, you have lived there for 10 years.

Sheldon: Well my spot would be in eternal dibs, and we would need a neighbors agreement but I can live with it, for my little buddy.

Leonard: Okay, if you are sure. I'll tell Penny.

Penny: (from inside her apartment). OH CRAP!

 

The Neighbors agreement - LOL - I like that - and I can totally see Sheldon keeping his spot being a condition of his switching apartments with Penny.

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No, not period. There are always exceptions to rules, and you have to be cognizant of the fact that the Sheldon/Penny/Leonard situation is an exception to normal personal relationships because Sheldon, himself, is "different" and nowhere remotely near normal, and his dependence on Penny and Leonard is quite real and extensive. To me, Leonard was simply floating possibilities as they struck him at that moment, and frankly, Sheldon should be grateful that despite the fact that Leonard and Penny are engaged, going to live together, and getting ready to move on, Leonard's mind still works along the lines of keeping Sheldon near him. Because that's all it is - Penny and Leonard want to live together alone, and Leonard might move in with Penny, OR they might switch around apartments because Leonard continues to consider Sheldon as part of his life and isn't stretching to think too far outside of the box. If Leonard was really operating as a man who wanted to move on with his life, move in with his finance, and was ready to leave Sheldon behind, he would be thinking along the lines of moving into a new building, of making a clean break, of having him and Penny move into an apartment which would be a new and equal start for both of them.

 

That's what a normal guy would do. That's what a normal couple would do. That's how a normal situation would probably work out.

 

But Leonard still considers Sheldon a responsibility of his, and even though he wants to live with Penny, he's still only considering the possibilities which would allow all 3 of them to remain in the same place and remain close together. He still has what he considers his responsibilities and friendship to Sheldon on his mind, so his mind is only entertaining the very limited possibilities of how things could work where he and Penny have a space to themselves but Sheldon is still close, which is either Leonard moves in with Penny, or Sheldon and Penny switches places. This is not irrational nor rude, it's actually inclusive, and logical, and reasonable. Moreover, it's nothing but speculation.

 

If Penny, Leonard and Sheldon want to stay close together without a lot of upheaval in their lives, there's only 2 possible ways to do it, and Leonard mentioned both because he's not a moron and in a moment can take all of this under consideration:

 

1) Live alone with Penny

2) Not move too far from Sheldon, who still needs me

3) Not cause a lot of upheaval or huge changes or discomfort in any of our lives

 

Only two possible solutions. MIght as well put both ideas out there on the table. If Sheldon rejects them all, then Leonard and Penny are free to move onto other options and completely move on and separate from Sheldon, at which point the Sheldon as we know him right now is seriously screwed unless his girlfriend is going to drive him to and from work, take him shopping for all of his needs, help him carry things upstairs, and basically....well, why shouldn't she live with him if she's doing all of that? Why should she go out of her way to do all of that for him? And that opens up a whole new can of worms for Sheldon. Frankly, he should probably be grateful to take Penny's apartment, because he can take a much more reasonable stance to keep Amy at a distance he's comfortable with, and he can still rely on Penny and Leonard to babysit all of those needs he has issue handling for himself.

 

I don't think Leonard's suggestion had anything to do with trying to keep Sheldon near him in order to help take care of him.  I think he's merely considering the two easiest solutions--I move across the hall, she moves in here and Sheldon moves across the hall.

 

What I said about the one getting married being the one to move out has to do with social convention and manners.  Someone with good manners doesn't suggest to the person who took them in as a roommate that they are now taking over the apartment the other person has lived in longer.  "We want to live here, but we don't want to live with you so you need to leave" is the essential sentiment beneath that suggestion.

 

I do think Leonard was trying to be considerate when he first told Sheldon that they needed to talk about future living arrangements, and then he had to make it clear that he and Penny did not want to live with Sheldon (since Sheldon's version of changing the living arrangements was the most miniscule of changes).

But I don't think Leonard was thinking about all of this, "I need to stay near my buddy because he needs me" business.

 

I think all the stuff about somebody moving across the hall was partly just the simplest way to put the idea out there, since it was intended to be part of the load of changes that start to pile onto Sheldon.

Just like the argument Sheldon later has with Amy where she suggest that the two of them might live together.

 

I think that these things were put out there primarily to drive Sheldon over the edge, but also to broach the subject as we head into the 8th season.  The writers are possibly starting to put that idea out there because sooner or later Leonard and Penny will have to live together, certainly once they get married, if not before.

 

But I don't think the writers were putting those idea out there becuase Leonard's such a loving little buddy.  I don't think that had anything to do with that conversation.

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The one thing I don't understand is statements that say Leonard has no right to suggest that Sheldon leave the apartment.  No offence to anyone but it just cracks me up that a grown man does not have a right to suggest something that I would think would be protected under the First Amendment.  

 

Leonard has every right to try to come up with ideas that will compliment his and his future wife's happiness and well being.  The fact that he is at all considering Sheldon's feelings - and yes he is with his suggestions - is more than many people would do.  

 

 

 

My opinion on why they won't label him is that as soon as they do, then they really can't joke about it anymore.  It becomes mean.  That is why Sheldon is just Sheldon - a breed of his own...

 

He has a legal right to free speech, certainly.  He has the right to say the moon is made of cheese.

He can certainly consider what it is that will make him happy, but that doesn't mean that it's "right" to suggest that he and Penny move into Sheldon's apartment and then tell him he wouldn't be welcome living with them if they did.

 

What I'm talking about is propriety.

The legalities of whose name is on the lease (and I'm sure that by now Leonard's must be--depending on the terms of the management company) are separate from what is polite or impolite to suggest.

 

I just can't imagine anyone thinking it's okay to suggest pushing someone out of their own home when they don't have any desire to leave, simply because you would like to live there.

Now, of course, Leonard only put it out there as an alternative, but I still think it's an improper or impolite (rude) suggestion.

It just strikes me as being very presumptuous.

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