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I just can't imagine anyone thinking it's okay to suggest pushing someone out of their own home when they don't have any desire to leave, simply because you would like to live there.

Now, of course, Leonard only put it out there as an alternative, but I still think it's an improper or impolite (rude) suggestion.

It just strikes me as being very presumptuous.

 

As you have said numerous times....

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He has a legal right to free speech, certainly.  He has the right to say the moon is made of cheese.

He can certainly consider what it is that will make him happy, but that doesn't mean that it's "right" to suggest that he and Penny move into Sheldon's apartment and then tell him he wouldn't be welcome living with them if they did.

 

What I'm talking about is propriety.

The legalities of whose name is on the lease (and I'm sure that by now Leonard's must be--depending on the terms of the management company) are separate from what is polite or impolite to suggest.

 

I just can't imagine anyone thinking it's okay to suggest pushing someone out of their own home when they don't have any desire to leave, simply because you would like to live there.

Now, of course, Leonard only put it out there as an alternative, but I still think it's an improper or impolite (rude) suggestion.

It just strikes me as being very presumptuous.

 

You're ignoring the fact that it is also Leonard's home. And rude? Really? It was a suggestion, and Sheldon is the king of rude. He could of easily told Sheldon to get out, it means nothing that he has been there longer. If the shoe were on the other foot he'd be 1000x worse. 

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I think I would be devastated if Sheldon lived anywhere other than 4A.

I think that during the season 8 Sheldon and Leonard will keep on living together. Penny wants to wait for 12 /18 months for the marriage, practically another season. In my opinion the real moves there will be in the season 9.. 

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As long as he remembers to takes the left turn at Albuquerque.

That left turn is important or you end up in foreign country jail, if you are Sheldon Cooper.

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I am confused how it being Sheldon suggesting he move into Penny's apartment changes anything about social propriety or rightness of the suggestion, compared to when Leonard suggested it, when looked at from the neutral's POV. For doesn't Penny have as much right to her apartment as Sheldon does to his--perhaps even more so, since she is the sole occupant rather than sharing? So wouldn't Sheldon suggesting to Penny she move out of her apartment (and across the hall) so that he could move in to hers be just as "wrong" as Leonard suggesting Sheldon move out of his?

From Sheldon's POV it' seems "better" (more socially appropriate, more ethically correct, whatever) for him to be the one to suggest moving out and in to Penny's. But from Penny's POV I'd think it would be inappropriate for him to do so--it's HER apartment, so surely SHE should be the one to suggest leaving it--not Sheldon! Thus from the neutral's viewpoint we have a stalemate: Leonard (or Penny) cannot suggest the Sheldon moves across the hall option without being inappropriate; but neither can Sheldon himself. Hmmmm...

This reductio style argument suggests to me that perhaps the problem lies in one of the premises: that merely suggesting the Sheldon across the hall option is somehow offensive. Of course, Sheldon shouldn't be forced to move out, but that's never what was said. It was a suggestion only, a "here's another option" offering. And as such, not offensive.

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I have a spare bedroom, Penny and Leonard can move in with me.  I'll even cook.

 

It's like 3,000 miles away from Sheldon so he'll probably need to find someone else to drive him around...

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I have a spare bedroom, Penny and Leonard can move in with me.  I'll even cook.

 

It's like 3,000 miles away from Sheldon so he'll probably need to find someone else to drive him around...

Okay that's funny.

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I don't think I'm going to watch the finale next week.  This week's episode ended happily for everyone, and is a fine finale to the season for me.  The actual finale leaves not only a lot of unanswered questions, but also a lot of unaddressed angst.  It's the unresolved angst I don't want to see.  I think I'll just wait until the fall premiere so hopefully the emotional turmoil will be followed by good news for everybody.

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I am confused how it being Sheldon suggesting he move into Penny's apartment changes anything about social propriety or rightness of the suggestion, compared to when Leonard suggested it, when looked at from the neutral's POV. For doesn't Penny have as much right to her apartment as Sheldon does to his--perhaps even more so, since she is the sole occupant rather than sharing? So wouldn't Sheldon suggesting to Penny she move out of her apartment (and across the hall) so that he could move in to hers be just as "wrong" as Leonard suggesting Sheldon move out of his?

From Sheldon's POV it' seems "better" (more socially appropriate, more ethically correct, whatever) for him to be the one to suggest moving out and in to Penny's. But from Penny's POV I'd think it would be inappropriate for him to do so--it's HER apartment, so surely SHE should be the one to suggest leaving it--not Sheldon! Thus from the neutral's viewpoint we have a stalemate: Leonard (or Penny) cannot suggest the Sheldon moves across the hall option without being inappropriate; but neither can Sheldon himself. Hmmmm...

This reductio style argument suggests to me that perhaps the problem lies in one of the premises: that merely suggesting the Sheldon across the hall option is somehow offensive. Of course, Sheldon shouldn't be forced to move out, but that's never what was said. It was a suggestion only, a "here's another option" offering. And as such, not offensive.

 

I'm not talking about Sheldon telling Penny he wants to take over her apartment.  If the issue is that L/P want to live together and they're trying to decide what to do, that if Sheldon wants to offer to move out so that Penny can move in with Leonard, then he is in a position to make that offer.  Whether or not he moves into Penny's vacated apartment is secondary.

 

If Penny wants to stay in her apartment, then the argument is moot.  If she's staying put, then that means that Leonard is either going to move in with her or stay in his current place, and Sheldon stays in place as well.  If she's staying put, then Sheldon would have no reason to consider moving into her place.

 

I never said he was being forced out, but that Leonard suggesting he move out is like, as you said, Sheldon telling Penny she needs to move out of her place.  Again, Sheldon can offer to give up his place if he wants to, just like Leonard can give up his place if he wants to.  But if Sheldon wanted Amy to move in with him and told Leonard he had to move out to accommodate Amy, I'm pretty sure people would be upset on Leonard's behalf (assuming he wasn't going to move in with Penny.)  I think that would be rude on Sheldon's part, as well--to say, "I've made this decision and it affects you.)

 

If Leonard and Penny were moving to a completely different place and Sheldon was upset about supposedly not being able to afford the bigger apartment all by himself, then suggesting he take Penny's empty apartment would be offering him an option.  But saying that "we might want to move in here, but you wouldn't be welcome if we did" is what, to me, is the rude suggestion.  The whole reason Leonard is offering Penny's apartment as a suggestion is that he's considering moving Penny into Sheldon's place, which means that Sheldon would have to leave.

 

Now, if Leonard were saying that Penny might move in with him and the three of them would live together, Sheldon would either love the fact that Leonard isn't moving out (and not be all that happy about Penny moving in), or he might hate the idea and go ahead and offer to move out himself.  That would be putting the decision in Sheldon's hands, which to me would be more proper, rather than Leonard just assuming that if he and Penny want the bigger apartment, then Sheldon would have no choice but to move out because they wouldn't want him there.

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The mystery to me is why being rude to Sheldon is a problem. He won't even notice, as he seems unable to recognises rudeness anyway. For him it's one of those optional social protocols. LOL.

Remember, if anyone is rude to Sheldon, it's a Bad Thing. If Sheldon is rude to anyone, it's Just Sheldon and he must always be forgiven.

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Excuse me guys, I wanted only to ask you a question (I am a fan a bit paranoiac), I have noticed that the last three episodes have been seen from less people in America, the episode of Thursday has been followed from 14.44 million people... in your opinion why? do you think only a casual phenomenon or is there something that the fans  is not liked?

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Excuse me guys, I wanted only to ask you a question (I am a fan a bit paranoiac), I have noticed that the last three episodes have been seen from less people in America, the episode of Thursday has been followed from 14.44 million people... in your opinion why? do you think only a casual phenomenon or is there something that the fans  is not liked?

I talked about this past Thursday As for the rest, viewership has fallen off, as it always does, after Daylight Savings Time starts. I talk about that earlier in that thread.

The thing to take away from this, is that very few shows are even breaking a 3.0 demo (this week, besides the 3.8 from TBBT, no other scripted series broke a 3.0. The closest other program was The Voice with a 3.0) BROADCAST television viewing is down about 11% this year. TBBT is down 4% in demo, and actually up in viewers for the year. Which is crazy for a show in it's seventh season.

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I talked about this past Thursday As for the rest, viewership has fallen off, as it always does, after Daylight Savings Time starts. I talk about that earlier in that thread.

The thing to take away from this, is that very few shows are even breaking a 3.0 demo (this week, besides the 3.8 from TBBT, no other scripted series broke a 3.0. The closest other program was The Voice with a 3.0) BROADCAST television viewing is down about 11% this year. TBBT is down 4% in demo, and actually up in viewers for the year. Which is crazy for a show in it's seventh season.

thanks for the second time! I have the clearest ideas now.. very kind!

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(SPOILER POSSIBLY)First off I don't know if this is spoilers since I am going off of the preview and I have not watched the episode. I am just going to tag this as spoilers though just in case it does count. I couldn't find any spoiler button so you were warned in advance. In the preview it says that Leonard trys to kick out Sheldon. I don't understand how he can attempt to do this. First off Sheldon was in that apartment first when he put out an add for a room mate. Second its a two bedroom apartment and if hes sleeping with Penny anyways why would he need an extra bedroom? Dont most married couples share a bed? Why doesn't Leonard move across the hall? It seems rude to kick someone out of their own home when they were living there first and gave you the chance to. That is like moving in with your uncle than trying to kick him out. 

uummmm you do realize you're in the S7 Spoilers thread right?? People in here are expecting spoilers.

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We probably won't even get any hints until August.  :hysteric:

 

I guess even Molaro needs a summer vacation.

 

I love this time of year. TBBT new season will be some compensation when summer coming to and end.

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I think the moment Leonard and Penny knew they both wanted each other, was in the 100th episode in S5. When they both looked at each other, I think it was unspoken but they both knew nothing else mattered as corny as that sounds haha. I loved the line when Penny was like where are you going, and Leonard was like Well isin't this what we do we fight and go make up haha, and Penny's like "Yeah your right come on". I don't really like to talk about Shenny apart from it being an irrelevant concept, it is disengenious to the actual premise of the show. In the first scene Leonard and Sheldon were showing their whiteboards, and Penny was enaormed by Leonard's white board haha. I think Shenny is based on the idea that Sheldon and Penny's relationship is more honest, its more more honest because they want nothing from each other. They also have the same intrinsic, and pathological fears of intimacy. So while Sheldon and Penny are different fundamentally on every level, on some level theirs a likeness their. That some people like to suit to their ethology. But as the chocolate scene shows, Sheldon does not really care about the true Penny, he just cares about a version of Penny that would make his life more convininent, too harsh? You know its true :p. Leonard too me has always been honest with Penny, maybe passive aggressive at times, but he knows who Penny is and trys to protect her from her self some times haha when needed.

 

ETA: Not sure why this was moved to S7 Spoilers, I said S5 not S7 haha but anyway someone knows better.

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Back on topic, it sounds like they came up with a finale that doesn't involve sending someone away for the summer.  If they had done that again, I might have stormed the writers' room.

 

Storm the writers room yet, Tea?

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