Spoilers S7 Spoilers

[SRAM]

I don't want to get upset about this till I see the show. I have to watch the scene where he shows video of topless scene with his girlfriend to his comrades. The episode of him not wanting to be teamed with his girlfriend because she isn't smart enough, or this episode where he takes advantage of his girlfriends sympathy for him. Then I'll make my decision if the writers are trying to re-event the Leonard character, by destroying his good guy persona.

[BangerMain]

From the sounds of this book it must be "Needy Baby, Greedy Baby". But Penny either did not read it all or the writers forgot the part where Beverly says that Penny is a "Good Natured Simpelton"  who Leonard is hooked on because she is the opposite of his high achieving mother.

I doubt that it's that bad--it's not as if he's lying to Penny or trying to deceive her.  He's just playing for sympathy.  I don't think it's all that serious.

 

Especially since Penny gives him sex without him having to asks most of the time. The writers were going for a throw away gag. No big deal.

Edited September 18, 2013 by BangerMain

[phantagrae]

I don't want to get upset about this till I see the show. I have to watch the scene where he shows video of topless scene with his girlfriend to his comrades. The episode of him not wanting to be teamed with his girlfriend because she isn't smart enough, or this episode where he takes advantage of his girlfriends sympathy for him. Then I'll make my decision if the writers are trying to re-event the Leonard character, by destroying his good guy persona.

 

We don't know that he shows only the topless scene to his shipmates--the clip we see obviously doesn't show anything anyway.  Again, it's not like he's showing them a porno or a private sex tape.  It's a shower murder scene, like in Psycho.  Though she filmed a topless scene, do we even know if she showed her boobs on camera?

I just think that people are making a big deal out of NOTHING.

And then him not wanting to pair with her on the scavenger hunt is about competition--everyone things she'll be the weak link because they're all thinking like scientists.  Even Raj thinks she'll be the weak link.  And I think Leonard--and all of them, really--gets his comeuppance when it turns out she's just as clever as the rest of them.  In fact, if she hadn't been paired with Sheldon, she probably would have won outright (along with whomever she was paired with.)

And then now with the book--he's not lying to her or triking her, he's just playing for a little sympathy, since she's obviously enjoying all the humiliating stories his mother has put in the book.  And again, Penny kind of puts him in his place once she figures out what he's doing.

 

But it's not as if she's breaking up with him over any of this stuff.  Their relationship is stronger than this sort of silliness.

[ArmyGirl]

Does anymore know what the episode 7.04 title is?

 

Thanks

[eirwinrommel]

I don't want to get upset about this till I see the show. I have to watch the scene where he shows video of topless scene with his girlfriend to his comrades. The episode of him not wanting to be teamed with his girlfriend because she isn't smart enough, or this episode where he takes advantage of his girlfriends sympathy for him. Then I'll make my decision if the writers are trying to re-event the Leonard character, by destroying his good guy persona.

Good idea. Tone and editing can make a big difference.

[Nogravitasatall]

From the sounds of this book it must be "Needy Baby, Greedy Baby". But Penny either did not read it all or the writers forgot the part where Beverly says that Penny is a "Good Natured Simpelton" who Leonard is hooked on because she is the opposite of his high achieving mother.

Especially since Penny gives him sex without him having to asks most of the time. The writers were going for a throw away gag. No big deal.

Penny HAS given him sex all the time (perhaps). Now he is trying to find a way to set the agenda for the evening's activities himself. Now that Penny has let " the air out of his tires" by rolling out his mother, he may be even more scarred. Penny sorta went nuclear on him. Lucky he is indomitable.

One does not want one's mother in one's bedroom with one's lover. I'd call foul. LOL.

Edited September 18, 2013 by Nogravitasatall

[stardustmelody]

I think Mary Cooper is just the person to stand up to Beverly.  Oh, what a tremendous episode that would be!

 

Agreed, teasing can be good-natured and even a way of expressing affection.

 

I so want to see Mary stand up to Beverly.   She is the one person that could so put Bev in her place and leave the woman crying.  And even better yet, she would do it while being adorable at the same time.  LOL!

[carl1970]

Penny called Leonard's mom, she really is in love with him.

[Chrismo]

 

One does not want one's mother in one's bedroom with one's lover. I'd call foul. LOL.

One does not use one's mother to get one's lover in one's bedroom

[Nogravitasatall]

One does not use one's mother to get one's lover in one's bedroom

Touché. Lets see how it plays. I'm on Leonard's side here. lol.

[Chrismo]

Maybe I'm missing something. Leonard thinks Penny's too dumb to be partnered in a scavenger hunt. Now he tries to use his mother's book to get sex with Penny. All Penny did was get even. By the way why would you be so dumb to tell Howard what you were doing?

[Nogravitasatall]

I think we have to see it. I'm trying to be "sanguine". However, in the power play between the two, Leonard has usually bent over backwards. He has ceded control on the proposal. So in my mind he has to find out where else he can assert himself. He appears to have run himself aground with this approach. They are learning a new dance, within the bounds of "not running away when scared".

[Tensor]

So Penny has used the nuclear option(mother) on both Sheldon and Leonard. Moral: don't let Penny get your mother's phone number.

[Nogravitasatall]

So Penny has used the nuclear option(mother) on both Sheldon and Leonard. Moral: don't let Penny get your mother's phone number.

Running to her lover's mother. This makes me a little ill/angry/sad when I think about it. Bev is not her mother-in-law and she has caused Leonard harm in the past. Penny just pushed Leonard back to childhood. Which she knows was not good for him.

This has to play out funnier, I hope. Maybe I'm not as sanguine as I purport.

[stardustmelody]

Bill is getting more and more coy with the script covers.  It took me quite a while to realize that he was posting the Script here (actually with the help of Pearl pointing it out ):    All I see is "To Amy:"

 

[eirwinrommel]

Maybe I'm missing something. Leonard thinks Penny's too dumb to be partnered in a scavenger hunt. Now he tries to use his mother's book to get sex with Penny. All Penny did was get even. By the way why would you be so dumb to tell Howard what you were doing?

 

The more people who know a secret the less secret it is. Leonard was running a scam on Penny. As they used to say 'Loose lips sink ships.' The way the group works, telling Howard was tantamount to telling Penny. I don't think it was fair to tell Leonard's 'mommy' though, she should have dealt with it herself.

Edited September 19, 2013 by eirwinrommel

[ArmyGirl]

Running to her lover's mother. This makes me a little ill/angry/sad when I think about it. Bev is not her mother-in-law and she has caused Leonard harm in the past. Penny just pushed Leonard back to childhood. Which she knows was not good for him.

This has to play out funnier, I hope. Maybe I'm not as sanguine as I purport.

 

I too am upset with Penny for running to that vile woman. 

Edited September 19, 2013 by ArmyGirl

[Nogravitasatall]

The more people who know a secret the less secret it is. Leonard was running a scam on Penny. As they used to say 'Loose lips sink ships.' The way the group works, telling Howard was tantamount to telling Penny. I don't think it was fair to tell Leonard's 'mommy' though, she should have dealt with it herself.

Within the sanctity of the boudoir some leeway is probably ok. He was not forcing her to do something, he was just lamely manipulating her to do something to his timetable. He just got hit by the double standard from "The Lunar Excitation". Again.

But running to the parent? How can these guys grow up? Sheesh. She is supposed to respect Leonard and treat him as man. Geez I have to see this to get it straight in my head. Not funny so far at the end. This is about the first case where for me they have gone too far. Weird.

[phantagrae]

Beverly is not a vile woman. Whatever her quirks, she's still Leonard's mother and he loves her--and she loves him, even is she doesn't show it in a normal way.

She's a comic caricature.

She's not the enemy and she doesn't need to be out in her place or otherwise "destroyed".

I don't think Howard or Bernie told Penny-- does it say that in the report? I think she's capable of figuring it out on her own.

And I don't think she did Leonard any harm by calling his mother.

Bill is getting more and more coy with the script covers.  It took me quite a while to realize that he was posting the Script here (actually with the help of Pearl pointing it out ):    All I see is "To Amy:"

 

Chex Mix?

[JonRS92]

Beverly is not a vile woman. Whatever her quirks, she's still Leonard's mother and he loves her--and she loves him, even is she doesn't show it in a normal way.

She's a comic caricature.

She's not the enemy and she doesn't need to be out in her place or otherwise "destroyed".

I don't think Howard or Bernie told Penny-- does it say that in the report? I think she's capable of figuring it out on her own.

And I don't think she did Leonard any harm by calling his mother.

Granted I read it through quickly, but I think Penny did say that Bernadette told her.

[Count Wally de Honk]

Just a spin from the romantically-disinterested-git party, but I didn't take it as Penny tattling to Beverly at all. I got that she, whilst talking to Beverely about the book, happened to say Leonard was upset, at which point Beverely would have pointed out that Leonard was only fishing for sympathy sex. I don't think Penny worked it out, then went to Beverely for confirmation. Not that she's not a smart biscuit, it's just not how I read the report.

 

My favourite bit was Sheldon smugly thinking his hands were sufficiently soft WITHOUT lotion. I see the love affair between Sheldon and Sheldon continues...

 

 

Edited to say - AH. You know what. I misread Bernadette as Beverely. Penny did tattle. That's what I rather ironically get for skiving off editing my book to dick around on the forums.

Edited September 19, 2013 by Count Wally de Honk

[tmp]

Could Penny have contacted Bev because Leonard was acting upset and she thought he needed to talk to his mother about it?

[Chrismo]

The more people who know a secret the less secret it is. Leonard was running a scam on Penny. As they used to say 'Loose lips sink ships.' The way the group works, telling Howard was tantamount to telling Penny. I don't think it was fair to tell Leonard's 'mommy' though, she should have dealt with it herself.

 

I too am upset with Penny for running to that vile woman. 

It seems to me you can't have it both ways here.  I agree with telling Howard is like telling Penny but the thing was Leonard didn't and he brought others into the "scam". I think if Penny had found about it on her own she should have dealt with it on her own. In regards to Beverly being a vile woman I can't really argue with that. But since Leonard committed "the scam" Penny had a right to get even. You may not like what she did but it was caused by what Leonard did.

Granted I read it through quickly, but I think Penny did say that Bernadette told her.

The report did say that.

[SRAM]

I think Penny said once to one of the guys that 'those girls tell me everything'.  So I guess it is just a typical guy thing, they don't listen to thier women, in this case Leonard to Penny.

[ArmyGirl]

I think Penny said once to one of the guys that 'those girls tell me everything'.  So I guess it is just a typical guy thing, they don't listen to thier women, in this case Leonard to Penny.

 

Did you notice that Bernie didn't tell Howard about Penny wanting to break up with Leonard back in Season 6.  Bernie and Amy protected Penny during her not so great moment, yet it looks like Bernie throw Leonard under the bus.

Edited September 19, 2013 by ArmyGirl