Spoilers S7 Spoilers

[BlackWhiteRose]

Thank you terriblewaitress   I agree with you 100%.

I also like Leonard he´s great. And its interesting to see another side of him.

[Spaced_up]

Why would Leonard try to trick or pity Penny into having sex with him? like she doesn't do that already without him having to do that?

What does the episode of him giving her the puppy eyes have to do with such supposition. May I remind you that he didn't know she was about to leave him then?

I really don't see where this new "shady" Leonard is supposed to come from and for the life of me I cannot see any indication of it whatsoever on the ep according to what we have so far, or even in the whole show and the character of Leonard.

Shady-manipulative-tricking-Penny-into-sex-Leonard! only exists on Shenny fanfiction so far.

 

Not so. Leonard admitted to Penny he used to lie about liking things to get sex. This is just a return to this side of Leonard we have seen before. I'm not sure why they are returning to it but it's not new. It was not invented by shennys. 

Edited September 19, 2013 by Spaced_up

[carl1970]

How have people made such a huge drama out of this??? All this Leonard bashing for nothing. Just because he's into comic books and physics and other nerdy stuff I don't know about, he can't do silly things and act like a lot of guys would? How is any of this making Season 7 pro-Shenny or anti-Leonard idk what I'm reading here anymore but it's funny anyway. It's another side of Leonard. He never had to deal with anything like this before. Penny never had to either. 

 

What's the fun in seeing "I'm reading your mom's book" "I don't like what she's written about me in there please don't read it" "Okay sweetie I won't sorry." "Lets make crunchy spaghetti." 

 

It's the little battles like this between them that keep the relationship alive and realistic and teach them the boundaries. 

 

Exactly. L/P aren't perfect but they are perfect for each other. They truly love each other. Penny is with the person she wants to be with and his name is Leonard.

[Shamyfan]

If you want to ship a non-canon couple have fun and be like me, ship Raj/Lisatronic 3000!!!!

I ship raj and Missy. And raj and cinnamon. And raj and Stuart.

The closest of those 3 that could ever happen is prob Stuart and raj

[Chrismo]

How have people made such a huge drama out of this??? All this Leonard bashing for nothing. Just because he's into comic books and physics and other nerdy stuff I don't know about, he can't do silly things and act like a lot of guys would?  

It probably is much ado about nothing. Although wouldn't most guys want to go to a bar and watch a football game with their girlfriend?

[Tensor]

Not so. Leonard admitted to Penny he used to lie about liking things to get sex. This is just a return to this side of Leonard we have seen before. I'm not sure why they are returning to it but it's not new. It was not invented by shennys.

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Spaced, I never said it was. I was simply pointing out that Annie stated "Who doesn't love Beverly and Penny crushing Leonard". I would ask why would you love it. In Annie's case, it furthers her stated preference of Sheldon and Penny. If posters are going to make those kind of statements, they are going to get pushback. Ship whoever you want to, but talk trash about someone else's ship, don't be surprised when a supporter of that ship, talks trash back.

If you want to talk about your ship(a general your, not you specifically) fine, don't trash others ships and they shouldn't trash your ship. That said, I will, in general, give counter examples if the show is used to support off cannon ship.

[phantagrae]

It probably is much ado about nothing. Although wouldn't most guys want to go to a bar and watch a football game with their girlfriend?

 

But that's kind of the point--Leonard (and the other guys) aren't like most guys.  They're not the "let's go to the bar and watch sports and get rowdy" kind of guys.  They're not into sports at all, really, unless it can be played on Wii.

How have people made such a huge drama out of this??? All this Leonard bashing for nothing. Just because he's into comic books and physics and other nerdy stuff I don't know about, he can't do silly things and act like a lot of guys would? How is any of this making Season 7 pro-Shenny or anti-Leonard idk what I'm reading here anymore but it's funny anyway. It's another side of Leonard. He never had to deal with anything like this before. Penny never had to either. 

 

What's the fun in seeing "I'm reading your mom's book" "I don't like what she's written about me in there please don't read it" "Okay sweetie I won't sorry." "Lets make crunchy spaghetti." 

 

It's the little battles like this between them that keep the relationship alive and realistic and teach them the boundaries. 

 

THANK YOU!!

 

I think that some people aren't happy unless they have something to wail about, pulling their hair and gnashing their teeth and declaring the writers to be horrible for destroying this character or that ship or whatever.

 

Some people seem to forget that this is a sitcom and that the main driving principle of this show is "happy endings all around".  Whatever conflicts may come up, no one is going to become a dastardly character.  There's always going to be forgiveness (even for the Raj/Penny thing, people!) and there's always going to be plenty of love to go around, even between Leonard and his mother.

[Spaced_up]

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Spaced, I never said it was. I was simply pointing out that Annie stated "Who doesn't love Beverly and Penny crushing Leonard". I would ask why would you love it. In Annie's case, it furthers her stated preference of Sheldon and Penny. If posters are going to make those kind of statements, they are going to get pushback. Ship whoever you want to, but talk trash about someone else's ship, don't be surprised when a supporter of that ship, talks trash back.

If you want to talk about your ship(a general your, not you specifically) fine, don't trash others ships and they shouldn't trash your ship. That said, I will, in general, give counter examples if the show is used to support off cannon ship.

 

I know I was replying to Sursonica's post.

[Tensor]

I know I was replying to Sursonica's post.

Uhhhhhbhbh.................nevermind.

[SRAM]

You know I'm one of those worry wart Lenny's, but I do think 7.03 and 7.04 have the potential to be real funny. So if the ratings go up or stay good, my favorite TV show continues on the air and the writers stay away from the perverse concept of romantic Shenny, I can find happiness in the end.

[Chrismo]

But that's kind of the point--Leonard (and the other guys) aren't like most guys.  They're not the "let's go to the bar and watch sports and get rowdy" kind of guys.  They're not into sports at all, really, unless it can be played on Wi

I agree. And Penny is not like most women. Like the football reference (the cornhusker episode) Penny fit with the guys and Leonard belonged in the kitchen with the women. Just like the whole discussion about this past filmed episode. Leonard acted like Leonard and Penny acted like Penny. As @tensor mentioned if you are looking for Penny to be consoling you may be looking a long time. Penny's actions were IMO more guy like but that's just how she is

[phantagrae]

I agree. And Penny is not like most women. Like the football reference (the cornhusker episode) Penny fit with the guys and Leonard belonged in the kitchen with the women. Just like the whole discussion about this past filmed episode. Leonard acted like Leonard and Penny acted like Penny. As @tensor mentioned if you are looking for Penny to be consoling you may be looking a long time. Penny's actions were IMO more guy like but that's just how she is

 

That's how they've often written them as a couple, turning the gender stereotypes upside down.

[Chrismo]

That's how they've often written them as a couple, turning the gender stereotypes upside down.

But it seems to make people at least on here like Leonard and dislike Penny.

[carl1970]

But it seems to make people at least on here like Leonard and dislike Penny.

 

I love Leonard and Penny. They are not perfect but they work great together and have excellent chemistry with each other in my opinion.

 

Leonard/Sheldon would work better as a couple than Penny/Sheldon ever would.

[Chiara]

But it seems to make people at least on here like Leonard and dislike Penny.

It sometimes may look a bit like that.

My understanding of it is that many viewers really want Leonard's quest to be successful; they wish him to be happy. Mostly because he is the hero but also because he has all the adorability of a basketful of kittens. So when Penny fails to cooperate and/or does not contribute to his happiness, which happens on a semi-regular basis because she is about as headstrong as a mule with a remarkably stubborn streak and will not have anyone tell her what to do, some fans get a little frustrated with her. 

 

I like both characters equally so it is sometimes a bit tough to pick a side when their stances are mutually exclusive. All we have to do is remember that TPTB decided, in the pilot no less, that these two characters would end together. That is their narrative destiny. Furthermore, and in spite of all the roadbumps and downright bloodbaths the Lenny has gone through, let us not forget that the writers have their creatures' best interests at heart.

 

So, in the immortal words of wisdom of the woman of the hour, "buck up, sissy pants".

We have not been through two years of courtship, countless fights, a breakup in a bowling alley, a relationship with Priya, a drunken hookup with Raj, a "I don't want to get back together with Penny", a catastrophically ill-timed proposal, an almost breakup, a disastrous Valentine's Day dinner and four months in the North bloody Sea to lose faith over a pesky little lie and an intervention by Mommy Dearest !

Edited September 19, 2013 by Chiara

[phantagrae]

And it's not a drama.

 

There are no villains.

[SRAM]

And it's not a drama.

 

There are no villains.

Not even Kurt, Mike or David?

[I.H.S.F.C.]

Not so. Leonard admitted to Penny he used to lie about liking things to get sex. This is just a return to this side of Leonard we have seen before. I'm not sure why they are returning to it but it's not new. It was not invented by shennys. 

 

Oh, so he's a guy.  Gotcha.  Because, you know, every guy ever has done this.

[phantagrae]

Not even Kurt, Mike or David?

 

No, not even them because they're not coming back.  They are such ancient history that they really don't matter any more.

[Occam's Chainsaw]

I think what everyone is missing is that Leonard didn't just play the 'troubled childhood' card for sex, sure there was some of that, but he also played it to get to watch the movies he wanted instead of the ones Penny wanted. In all the episodes we've seen them together the only time we've seen him pick the movie on a real date was in 'Ornithophobia' when they weren't 'technically' dating. His methods then don't work in a relationship, so when a new way to get his way on something shows up of course he's going to use it, and being Leonard he keeps pushing until it breaks.

[JonRS92]

I think what everyone is missing is that Leonard didn't just play the 'troubled childhood' card for sex, sure there was some of that, but he also played it to get to watch the movies he wanted instead of the ones Penny wanted. In all the episodes we've seen them together the only time we've seen him pick the movie on a real date was in 'Ornithophobia' when they weren't 'technically' dating. His methods then don't work in a relationship, so when a new way to get his way on something shows up of course he's going to use it, and being Leonard he keeps pushing until it breaks.

 

Are you saying you don't think Leonard's approach worked in the Omithophobia episode?  If that is what you meant, I don't think that is true.  At the end Penny said she liked take-charge, cocky Leonard.  I think Leonard took that way over the top in 7.4, and I am not even sure we are dealing with the same type of behavior as Leonard was completely upfront with Penny in that one and he is deceiving her in 7.4, 

[Occam's Chainsaw]

Are you saying you don't think Leonard's approach worked in the Omithophobia episode?  If that is what you meant, I don't think that is true.  At the end Penny said she liked take-charge, cocky Leonard.  I think Leonard took that way over the top in 7.4, and I am not even sure we are dealing with the same type of behavior as Leonard was completely upfront with Penny in that one and he is deceiving her in 7.4, 

I'm saying it wouldn't work now. The scene in the bar was a direct consequence of how Leonard acted in the movie theater.Penny may like 'take charge Leonard' but she will always respond negatively when he pushes for control unless she is getting something out of it.

[JonRS92]

I'm saying it wouldn't work now. The scene in the bar was a direct consequence of how Leonard acted in the movie theater.Penny may like 'take charge Leonard' but she will always respond negatively when he pushes for control unless she is getting something out of it.

 

I agree with that if we are talking about him pushing her as regards to her feelings such as we saw with the ILY and the proposal and his constant questioning of where they were in the relationship in the period between their getting back together in season 5 to maybe the Valentines episode in season 6.  However I think if it just little things like what movie to watch, where to go on a date, and stuff like that I don't think she'd mind a Leonard who took charge of that.

[ArmyGirl]

I'm saying it wouldn't work now. The scene in the bar was a direct consequence of how Leonard acted in the movie theater.Penny may like 'take charge Leonard' but she will always respond negatively when he pushes for control unless she is getting something out of it.

 

So true and this why it bothers me so much when I hear the characters talking about how Leonard is a sissy.  The guy is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't'.

 

For me it seems like Penny still has all the power in the relationship even if some don't agree with me.

Edited September 19, 2013 by ArmyGirl

[Chrismo]

So true and this why it bothers me so much when I hear the characters talking about how Leonard is a sissy.  The guy is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't'.

 

For me it seems like Penny still has all the power in the relationship even if some don't agree with me.

But look at all the guys on the show their all sort of sissies. Bernadette is dominant to Howard. Raj just started talking to women. The most unsissy guy is Sheldon and that's not saying alot. When the guys are saying who's a sissy it's like the pot calling the kettle black. She certainly does gain power when he tries for pity sex.

Edited September 19, 2013 by Chrismo