Spoilers S7 Spoilers

[eirwinrommel]

I know this is a joke but it irks me to my bones, viscerally and to the soles of my boots. If he can't trust his mum and he can't trust his partner not to collude with his mum, he is without refuge and has to stand alone. He'd have to rely on Sheldon. Heavens.

As I say I hope it plays better and I'm sure it will be funny. And it will be as ephemeral as the Australian winter snows this year.

I don't like it either. However I reserve judgment until the episode airs and I can see how it plays out.

But look at all the guys on the show their all sort of sissies. Bernadette is dominant to Howard. Raj just started talking to women. The most unsissy guy is Sheldon and that's not saying alot. When the guys are saying who's a sissy it's like the pot calling the kettle black. She certainly does gain power when he tries for pity sex.

By definition, none of the guys are 'manly' men. That's a main point of the show. In fact the original point of the show was how a man like Leonard could pull a bird like Penny, who'd been with 'manly' men until then.

[eirwinrommel]

I think what everyone is missing is that Leonard didn't just play the 'troubled childhood' card for sex, sure there was some of that, but he also played it to get to watch the movies he wanted instead of the ones Penny wanted. In all the episodes we've seen them together the only time we've seen him pick the movie on a real date was in 'Ornithophobia' when they weren't 'technically' dating. His methods then don't work in a relationship, so when a new way to get his way on something shows up of course he's going to use it, and being Leonard he keeps pushing until it breaks.

Leonard was dong fine with Penny until he blew it at the end when he reverted to type.

 

Season 5 episode 9

Penny: I don’t know. Up until the last part, I was kind of enjoying take-charge Leonard with a little backbone. Picking the movie, knowing what he wants, a little cocky.

Leonard: Really?

Penny: Yeah.

Leonard: Well, then, I’m putting sex back on the table. What do you think about that?

Penny: Ooh. Maybe I like it.

Leonard: You do? Because if that’s what you like, I can be that guy. I swear, I’ll be anything you want me to be.

Penny: Good night, Leonard.

Leonard: I am such an asthmatic dumbass.

 

Again he should have kept his mouth shut (as far as talking goes). If instead of talking, he'd just kissed her they might have gotten back together 4 episodes earlier. That was the time to push his luck and see how far he could take things.

Edited September 19, 2013 by eirwinrommel

[The Lash]

So true and this why it bothers me so much when I hear the characters talking about how Leonard is a sissy.  The guy is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't'.

 

For me it seems like Penny still has all the power in the relationship even if some don't agree with me.

 

If this was real life (we have to keep the perspective of actors playing roles) Penny would always have the "power" simply because a woman like Penny could get, within reason, almost any man she wanted, at least in the short term.

 

For a Leonard to replace a Penny would be very difficult if not impossible, so the leonard character is much more committed.

[eirwinrommel]

If this was real life (we have to keep the perspective of actors playing roles) Penny would always have the "power" simply because a woman like Penny could get, within reason, almost any man she wanted, at least in the short term.

 

For a Leonard to replace a Penny would be very difficult if not impossible, so the leonard character is much more committed.

While I agree, I must point out that Leonard seems to have no problem getting 'quality' women. In fact it's the women who (with the exception of Penny) that have come on to him. He just doesn't realize it.

Edited September 19, 2013 by eirwinrommel

[JonRS92]

Leonard was dong fine with Penny until he blew it at the end when he reverted to type.

 

Season 5 episode 9

Penny: I don’t know. Up until the last part, I was kind of enjoying take-charge Leonard with a little backbone. Picking the movie, knowing what he wants, a little cocky.

Leonard: Really?

Penny: Yeah.

Leonard: Well, then, I’m putting sex back on the table. What do you think about that?

Penny: Ooh. Maybe I like it.

Leonard: You do? Because if that’s what you like, I can be that guy. I swear, I’ll be anything you want me to be.

Penny: Good night, Leonard.

Leonard: I am such an asthmatic dumbass.

 

Again he should have kept his mouth shut (as far as talking goes). If instead of talking, he'd just kissed her they might have gotten back together 4 episodes earlier. That was the time to push his luck and see how far he could take things.

 

Completely agree.  Penny has shown not only will she give up some of the power to Leonard, but also that she wants Leonard to take it.  Of course all that goes out the window with the bigger picture issues like her feelings and marriage.  Penny wont cede power over that and she shouldn't.  So the people who say that Leonard is a wuss are kind of correct, but I also get the sympathy for him as well.  Obviously it is going to be hard for him to take control when he lived in fear of losing her.  Maybe in his mind, letting her run everything was his way of limiting how much he would screw up and thus lessen the chances of her leaving him.  It's his fall-back attitude especially in the passage you quoted above.  He's got her and then the insecurities kick in and he loses her.  After season 6 though, Leonard is different.  He's seen that Penny is also afraid of losing him.  Maybe he is trying to start to take back some of the power from Penny but he is going about it all wrong.  He needs to go back and do it like he did in season 5 by being upfront with her about it, not deceiving her.  No girl is going to respond well to that.

If this was real life (we have to keep the perspective of actors playing roles) Penny would always have the "power" simply because a woman like Penny could get, within reason, almost any man she wanted, at least in the short term.

 

For a Leonard to replace a Penny would be very difficult if not impossible, so the leonard character is much more committed.

 

Well there is Alex out there ready and willing to step in.

Edited September 19, 2013 by JonRS92

[ArmyGirl]

If this was real life (we have to keep the perspective of actors playing roles) Penny would always have the "power" simply because a woman like Penny could get, within reason, almost any man she wanted, at least in the short term.

 

For a Leonard to replace a Penny would be very difficult if not impossible, so the leonard character is much more committed.

 

Alex made Penny sit up and take notice that there are women that would love to have a Leonard in their lives.  Looks aren't everything since they fade as time goes by it's about what kind of person you are --- personality and how your treat others.

[Chiara]

 

Well there is Alex out there ready and willing to step in.

Alex Schmalex !

She would never last with Leonard : whoever his girlfriend is, she has to be able to handle Sheldon. I give Alex five minutes before she calls the cops and tries to have Dr Cooper arrested for something or other. 

 

Penny is the only woman who has shown she can take Leonard as a whole : successful scientist, geeky goofball, damaged puppy, passive-aggressive imp, devoted father figure, big baby, etc. Which is good because Leonard is the only guy who has proven capable of accepting Penny as the beautiful bundle of issues that she is : emotionally constipated, compassionate, academically illiterate, smart, fiercely defensive, funny, etc.

[Chrismo]

Alex made Penny sit up and take notice that there are women that would love to have a Leonard in their lives.  Looks aren't everything since they fade as time goes by it's about what kind of person you are --- personality and how your treat others.

True.(although IMO Alex is totally hot)

[The Lash]

While I agree, I must point out that Leonard seems to have no problem getting 'quality' women. In fact it's the women who (with the exception of Penny) that have come on to him. He just doesn't realize it.

Yes, he is a bit of a stud really! Of them all I think Elizabeth Plimpton was the most attractive

[Chrismo]

Alex Schmalex !

She would never last with Leonard : whoever his girlfriend is, she has to be able to handle Sheldon. I give Alex five minutes before she calls the cops and tries to have Dr Cooper arrested for something or other. 

 

Penny is the only woman who has shown she can take Leonard as a whole : successful scientist, geeky goofball, damaged puppy, passive-aggressive imp, devoted father figure, big baby, etc. Which is good because Leonard is the only guy who has proven capable of accepting Penny as the beautiful bundle of issues that she is : emotionally constipated, compassionate, academically illiterate, smart, fiercely defensive, funny, etc.

As you mentioned there are other factors that do make L/P a perfect match. I do agree there always will be a Sheldon around.

Yes, he is a bit of a stud really! Of them all I think Elizabeth Plimpton was the most attractive

But that was only a one-nighter. Ultimately Leonard doesn't want that.

[phantagrae]

So true and this why it bothers me so much when I hear the characters talking about how Leonard is a sissy.  The guy is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't'.

 

For me it seems like Penny still has all the power in the relationship even if some don't agree with me.

 

In many ways he still has power--but he has been confident enough to give her the power to do the proposal.  He's confident in that he knows now where he stands with her--he loves her and she loves him, so he can let go of things like agreeing with everything she wants just so that they'll have sex.

 

In this case, yeah, he's playing on her sympathies, but in many ways it's no different than guys who want to have sex with their wives/partners and they get the "not tonight, honey, I have a headache" reaction or whatever.

 

He's not puppy-dogging after her to try to keep her as his girlfriend.  He's simply taking advantage of a moment when he can get a little pity concession out of her, whether it's staying home from the bar or whatever.

She has apparently accompanied him to science lectures (or she was going to before Amy broke her nose...), so I think there's enough back and forth to make it pretty even.

 

And obviously all of this is nothing that's going to damage their relationship.

[Carlos]

 

 Which is good because Leonard is the only guy who has proven capable of accepting Penny as the beautiful bundle of issues that she is : emotionally constipated, compassionate, academically illiterate, smart, fiercely defensive, funny, etc.

 

 You reminded me of when Leonard tell her "you're a bundle of issues" at the end of the Season 6 spoilers

[JonRS92]

Alex Schmalex !

She would never last with Leonard : whoever his girlfriend is, she has to be able to handle Sheldon. I give Alex five minutes before she calls the cops and tries to have Dr Cooper arrested for something or other. 

 

Penny is the only woman who has shown she can take Leonard as a whole : successful scientist, geeky goofball, damaged puppy, passive-aggressive imp, devoted father figure, big baby, etc. Which is good because Leonard is the only guy who has proven capable of accepting Penny as the beautiful bundle of issues that she is : emotionally constipated, compassionate, academically illiterate, smart, fiercely defensive, funny, etc.

 

Ha, I did not go that far in my reasoning, but you are correct.  It is almost like whoever Leonard ends up is going to have to become like a step parent for awhile to Sheldon.  Penny is the only one for that.  So there is no other acceptable outcome than Lenny  

[eirwinrommel]

Alex Schmalex !

She would never last with Leonard : whoever his girlfriend is, she has to be able to handle Sheldon. I give Alex five minutes before she calls the cops and tries to have Dr Cooper arrested for something or other. 

 

And this would be a bad thing? Part of the problem is that Sheldon always seems to get away with his bad behavior. Maybe he'd change if he actually had to pay a penalty. Alex should have gone to HR and reported Sheldon for telling her to take the online seminar.

 

Season 6 episode 12

Scene: Sheldon’s office.

Sheldon: It has been pointed out to me that some of the things I said to you could be construed as offensive, and I would like to offer you my sincerest apology.

Alex: Thank you, Dr. Cooper.

Sheldon: Yeah, additionally, you should know that the university has mandated that I take an online sexual harassment seminar so this sort of thing doesn’t happen in the future.

Alex: Okay.

Sheldon: Yeah. Now, unfortunately, uh, my time is much too valuable to waste on nonsense like this, so, um, I’m gonna need you to take it for me. Oh, and, uh, you’d better ace it, they’re pretty mad.

 

Then they should have, at least, watched him take the seminar and docked him the cost of having someone monitor him.

Yes, he is a bit of a stud really! Of them all I think Elizabeth Plimpton was the most attractive

Interesting choice. We never saw the Frenchwoman (Chiara, was it you, common you can tell us).

Edited September 19, 2013 by eirwinrommel

[Chiara]

And this would be a bad thing? Part of the problem is that Sheldon always seems to get away with his bad behavior. Maybe he'd change if he actually had to pay a penalty. Alex should have gone to HR and reported Sheldon for telling her to take the online seminar.

 

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Them they should have, at least, watched him take the seminar and docked him the cost of having someone monitor him.

I see what you mean but had Penny involved the police after the little "breaking/entering/cleaning" incident, there would be no Lenny today. 

 

Interesting choice. We never saw the Frenchwoman (Chiara, was it you, common you can tell us).

My lips are sealed... However, I will say this : fun times !

 

 

PS The "like this" quota has been driving me a tad nuts since yesterday... 

[eirwinrommel]

I see what you mean but had Penny involved the police after the little "breaking/entering/cleaning" incident, there would be no Lenny today. 

 

My lips are sealed... However, I will say this : fun times !

 

 

PS The "like this" quota has been driving me a tad nuts since yesterday... 

I know what you mean, I ran out for a while a few days ago and again just before midnight (local time) and it took a few hours for a new supply to be available.

[Tensor]

And it's not a drama.

 

There are no villains.

Well, there is a large segment of TBBT fans who would say Priya.

[SRAM]

Well, there is a large segment of TBBT fans who would say Priya.

 

 

Yeah, I never understood that.  I so want her to come back, just to see Penny go into full combat mode and put Leonard into her protective custody.

[Tensor]

Yeah, I never understood that.  I so want her to come back, just to see Penny go into full combat mode and put Leonard into her protective custody.

Well, you know my take on that.

[phantagrae]

Well, there is a large segment of TBBT fans who would say Priya.

But she's also ancient history and simply part of the arc toward where they are now. If Priya hadn't happened, L/P wouldn't be where they are now. It took losing him to her that helped Penny realize the mistake she'd made in breaking up with him.

Why can't the Lenny fans ever let anything go and just enjoy their relationship?

It's still not a drama.

[Nogravitasatall]

But she's also ancient history and simply part of the arc toward where they are now. If Priya hadn't happened, L/P wouldn't be where they are now. It took losing him to her that helped Penny realize the mistake she'd made in breaking up with him.

Why can't the Lenny fans ever let anything go and just enjoy their relationship?

It's still not a drama.

I still remember "I wish you were dead". Lol.

[phantagrae]

I still remember "I wish you were dead". Lol.

 

That line didn't bother me at all because of the context.  Still not a drama.

 

And can I ask why all this Lenny drama isn't being discussed in the L/P spoilers thread?  Or rather, why it's being discussed in BOTH threads?

[eirwinrommel]

Probably because we have so few actual spoilers to discuss, and one of the one's we do is a P/L drama.

[Tensor]

Phanta I agree with you and SRAM. After all he did meet and asked Priya to be in a relationship before he even met Penny, and continue to see her every so often. With Priya being in Pasadena for an extended time, it only made sense for them to try a relationship.

[vasu]

That line didn't bother me at all because of the context.  Still not a drama.

 

And can I ask why all this Lenny drama isn't being discussed in the L/P spoilers thread?  Or rather, why it's being discussed in BOTH threads?

 

because we can....