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You know Priya is Raj's sister, so should we assume she died so she doesn't have to be on the show again, because people think she is not needed? I guess we didn't need Misty again, even though there was a little spark between her and Raj.

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Why are we still disccusing the notion or even the idea of a Romantic Shenny it is riduclous lol. From the Pilot-S7 their has never been a suggestion at all, Penny has or ever well see Sheldon in a romantic light, I mean it's Sheldon! Am I the only one who can see their un-compatibility in a romantic pardaim? I've always seen Penny's relationship as Sheldon as initially her weird, eccentric neighbour, and two very different people who have this pecuiliar dechatomony, and over time have both shown intolerance to each other's very different way of dealing with every day life. Like Penny driving Sheldon to work in the morning, this is the point in an AU universe, when say Penny and Sheldon are completely different they could possibly, work but for them to work in reality the writers would need to change everything that makes Penny and Sheldon special, And besides if the writers felt the best interest for the show was to pair up Sheldon and Penny, don't you think they would of done it by now? They have had every oppurutunity to do so, not neccessairly any implication from the characters, but they know they are alot of fans of the Banter between Sheldon and Penny. But one ep that really defines Penny and Sheldon is Howard in The Barbarian Sublimation remember Howard said "It's like a weird comic book cross over" lol that really sums up Sheldon and Penny. It's funny because in cannon Penny and Leonard have been a romantic dynamic from the begginning, in some ways out of all the guys Leonard is the social nucleus, you could argue if it wasen't for Leonard's role in the pilot Sheldon and Penny most likely would have no reason to be friends, but that's all AU. I mean go back to the pilot Leonard is the only reason Sheldon even Friends with Penny, take Leonard out of the premise, Sheldon remember had no intention of being Friends with this new hot girl, Leonard is the one who invited her to lunch, and theirs the central premise of TBBT right their "Our babies well be smart and beautiful". Point I am trying to make is thanks to Leonard integrating Penny into their group, Penny got used to Sheldon's little quips, and Sheldon started to tolerate Penny to, and over time they developed a maternal brother-sister relationship. Anyway going back to Lenny I see no problem here, they are in a great place but they are allowed to have little squarrals and fights, I haven't read the entire taping report, but Penny and Beverley have teamed up before in S3, finding out Leonard monopolized the situation in his favour, he's a guy lol yes I feel a bit bothered that Penny teamed with the same women who has treated Leonard horribily over the years, but Penny is a very self independent person, and don't forget regardless of Beverley and Leonard's relationship, Beverley is going to be her mother-in law one day, so she may want to create a rapport with her.

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Why are we still disccusing the notion or even the idea of a Romantic Shenny it is riduclous lol. From the Pilot-S7 their has never been a suggestion at all, Penny has or ever well see Sheldon in a romantic light, I mean it's Sheldon! Am I the only one who can see their un-compatibility in a romantic pardaim? I've always seen Penny's relationship as Sheldon as initially her weird, eccentric neighbour, and two very different people who have this pecuiliar dechatomony, and over time have both shown intolerance to each other's very different way of dealing with every day life. Like Penny driving Sheldon to work in the morning, this is the point in an AU universe, when say Penny and Sheldon are completely different they could possibly, work but for them to work in reality the writers would need to change everything that makes Penny and Sheldon special, And besides if the writers felt the best interest for the show was to pair up Sheldon and Penny, don't you think they would of done it by now? They have had every oppurutunity to do so, not neccessairly any implication from the characters, but they know they are alot of fans of the Banter between Sheldon and Penny. But one ep that really defines Penny and Sheldon is Howard in The Barbarian Sublimation remember Howard said "It's like a weird comic book cross over" lol that really sums up Sheldon and Penny. It's funny because in cannon Penny and Leonard have been a romantic dynamic from the begginning, in some ways out of all the guys Leonard is the social nucleus, you could argue if it wasen't for Leonard's role in the pilot Sheldon and Penny most likely would have no reason to be friends, but that's all AU. I mean go back to the pilot Leonard is the only reason Sheldon even Friends with Penny, take Leonard out of the premise, Sheldon remember had no intention of being Friends with this new hot girl, Leonard is the one who invited her to lunch, and theirs the central premise of TBBT right their "Our babies well be smart and beautiful". Point I am trying to make is thanks to Leonard integrating Penny into their group, Penny got used to Sheldon's little quips, and Sheldon started to tolerate Penny to, and over time they developed a maternal brother-sister relationship. Anyway going back to Lenny I see no problem here, they are in a great place but they are allowed to have little squarrals and fights, I haven't read the entire taping report, but Penny and Beverley have teamed up before in S3, finding out Leonard monopolized the situation in his favour, he's a guy lol yes I feel a bit bothered that Penny teamed with the same women who has treated Leonard horribily over the years, but Penny is a very self independent person, and don't forget regardless of Beverley and Leonard's relationship, Beverley is going to be her mother-in law one day, so she may want to create a rapport with her.

 

Good stuff.  They've even addressed some of what you said on the show.  I believe it was Amy who told Sheldon, back when the group started to eat dinner at Raj's apartment because Leonard and Priya were dating, that Leonard was the center of their social group.  Where Leonard goes, the group follows.  You are also right that Sheldon is not friends with Penny without Leonard.  Sheldon even tells Penny that Leonard made him like her.  As for Shenny, I agree it is an impossibility.  Sheldon can't stand Penny's ways and Penny cannot even understand Sheldon's.  Given how sexual Penny is, can you imagine her waiting around for Sheldon to be ready for that?  Not gonna happen.  Your brother/sister analogy is exactly right.  Maybe the writers can give the Shenny fans a little something with an alternate universe episode or something.  Maybe Leonard, Sheldon, or Penny gets bonked on the head and has a weird dream or something like that.  In the show's reality though, Shenny does not happen.

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Good stuff.  They've even addressed some of what you said on the show.  I believe it was Amy who told Sheldon, back when the group started to eat dinner at Raj's apartment because Leonard and Priya were dating, that Leonard was the center of their social group.  Where Leonard goes, the group follows.  You are also right that Sheldon is not friends with Penny without Leonard.  Sheldon even tells Penny that Leonard made him like her.  As for Shenny, I agree it is an impossibility.  Sheldon can't stand Penny's ways and Penny cannot even understand Sheldon's.  Given how sexual Penny is, can you imagine her waiting around for Sheldon to be ready for that?  Not gonna happen.  Your brother/sister analogy is exactly right.  Maybe the writers can give the Shenny fans a little something with an alternate universe episode or something.  Maybe Leonard, Sheldon, or Penny gets bonked on the head and has a weird dream or something like that.  In the show's reality though, Shenny does not happen.

Yeah don't get me wrong I love Sheldon and Penny's platonic friendship, I just think people are grasping at straws to expect anything romantic between them, when that has never even been suggested as a real possibility from the writers. People say the writers can pair up anyone true, but the writing at it's core is based on the central premise, clearly the writers care about Lenny and Shamy and all the other characters, they want the money rolling in long after the show's ended, it's like if Rachel and Chandler ended up together, it would be different, but be no where the ending you would want with her and Ross, same with Lenny. The writing between the characters IMO always had to be sensitive to the pilot, so I don't agree when people say Jim has no idea about how Sheldon would react true, but they still care about the characters at the same time. Leonard and Penny are still far off from the finish line, they made tremendous progress in their relationship in the 2nd half of S6 especially Penny, after Leonard received the ILY it gave him alot more assurance, confidence, and security in his realationship with Penny, it caused him to stop second guessing himself. As I think the big reason why Leonard has always been submissive in his behaviour with women in general and Penny specifically is his Mother, she was so cold and distant, and as a subsequent so was his Father who also received the same kinda of lack of love and warmth from Beverley, remember in S2 Leonard revealed to Penny he created a hugging machine, and the sad part was his Father used it too lol. This can also explain why Penny has always hulked out and broken things off with Leonard, Leonard has either come across too needy hence pushing, or resisting the need to challenge Penny and not let her get way with the crap she used to, this was highlighted in the VD ep, Leonard finnally made it clear to Penny it was not acceptable what she did, because of this Penny started to trust Leonard more, and revealed her insecurites about marrage. I've always thought Leonard and Penny's parents had a similar effect on their lifes in terms of their relationships. Penny though is starting to realize how much Leonard means to her, so I do understand Penny and Beverley teaming up againgst Leonard tripped alot of people up, but it was more to do with the code of sisterhood opposed to her relationship with Leonard, that's the great thing now they can say and do anything now, I still have all the confidence they well work through it, as the big difference with now and S3, is they are now learning to trust each other, and when neccssary push not resist, or even resist when the occasion calls for it. Because of this Penny is compromising alot more, and their is now alot more trust and honesty in their relationship. So I expect Lenny to go through some hurdles this year but they well get through it, and be stronger as a consequence.

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A couple of observations. I find it interesting that Bernadette and Amy are so tight with Penny ("they text me every detail of their lives as it happens"). I don't get that Penny does the same thing. They are acting like sorority girls, even thought they are in their late twenties or early thirties. It is also telling that they would be so tight with a waitress/wannabe actress. I think it points out that Penny has something going on besides looks that they can connect over, and it seems to work for Leonard too.

 

I have not read the taping report yet, but I feel that Leonard is completely in the right to use the situation to his advantage. If Penny gets the right to bust his chops about things his mother wrote in the book, then he gets to play the sympathy card. Of course it is a game between the two of them, and given that this is a settled, stable relationship, this sort of thing is what they will be doing. It isn't about whether Penny will allow Leonard to date her and have sex with her anymore. That is a given. It is also a quid pro quo, as Penny did not like it at all when Wyatt did basically the same thing - telling Leonard about all the losers she dated in Nebraska. That is the only time that Penny's past has haunted her, whereas Beverly shows up regularly in one way or another to make Leonard feel bad and inadequate. That Penny needs to use the book is fine - she has to for the class (props to her for continuing in school). That she torture Leonard about it without Leonard getting back at her some way - she should expect that Leonard will even the score somehow.

 

We have to remember that this is the first real relationship either has been in, particularly Penny. Leonard is an odd guy for her, and there are going to be odd moments where Penny is trying to figure how to actually be in a serious relationship with this unusual person. Leonard has no role models either, as his parents were totally dysfunctional. In many respects, they are going to have to make it up from scratch, as there is no proper, functioning template for them to follow. Anything they were exposed to growing up is going to be no help. Leonard isn't going to slap her around either physically or emotionally like the brutes she is used to. He has never had physical power at his disposal, nor emotional power. He survived by being oblique, avoiding conflict, and eliciting sympathy. I doubt he really trusts Penny yet. Leonard is not one to like having her pick on him. It would feel too much like bullying. If she supports him better, then he will develop more emotional strength and be what she needs. She is probably figuring out how to support Leonard too. However, picking on him about things Beverly would no doubt include in her book, such as preferring the left breast, or holding onto his penis, is not the way to make Leonard feel good, as he will feel belittled in Penny's eyes. Penny probably thinks it is good-natured teasing. I am sure Leonard does not.

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I've also noticed in Season 6, they have really lightened up on Sheldon's germophobia. In the "Parking Spot Escalation", he did several things out of character. He accepted a cookie from Leonard's hand after refuting Raj's argument regarding zombies. He put on Howard's Iron Man helmet (and noted it smelled bad) and then sat in Howard's car naked. I doubt the old Sheldon would have tolerated any of these things.

 

In our conversation about Leonard and Penny's situation, I recall that I've never seen Penny cry in front of Leonard, except when she told him she loved him. All the other times when she has been emotional, she pitched a fit of some sort (the Valentine's day episode is one example, as is "The Egg Salad Equivalency"). Her go to move is to get mad (Hulk up, as some have referred to it?) when things don't go her way. 

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I've also noticed in Season 6, they have really lightened up on Sheldon's germophobia. In the "Parking Spot Escalation", he did several things out of character. He accepted a cookie from Leonard's hand after refuting Raj's argument regarding zombies. He put on Howard's Iron Man helmet (and noted it smelled bad) and then sat in Howard's car naked. I doubt the old Sheldon would have tolerated any of these things.

 

In our conversation about Leonard and Penny's situation, I recall that I've never seen Penny cry in front of Leonard, except when she told him she loved him. All the other times when she has been emotional, she pitched a fit of some sort (the Valentine's day episode is one example, as is "The Egg Salad Equivalency"). Her go to move is to get mad (Hulk up, as some have referred to it?) when things don't go her way. 

True but I think Penny is working on her "hulking out", your seeing less of that now, hence S6 the Spoiler Alert EP. Leonard and Sheldon had a fight, and Leonard had enough of living with Sheldon, surprised he hasen't lost it sooner lol, and wanted to move in with Penny. Now this could be argued to be on the same level as the premature ILY S3, the premature proposal S5 finalie e.t.c. Penny was obviousley freaked out and could of "hulked out" (remember highlighted in S2, when Penny told Howard he is going to die alone, Leonard said most of the time your easy care free Penny, but when you get mad you turn into the hulk haha), but she prevented from doing so, and was willing to compromise her intimacy issues to make Leonard happy, it may have been small and subtle and not so obvious to everyone, but that was a big step for Penny. Obviousley later on she hulked out due to Amy making demands from Sheldon fair enough, but this was living arangements that presently had nothing to do with her IMO. For the record Penny has cried in front of Leonard before apart from 43 Penculitary when they broke up in the bowling scene, Penny burst into tears. And also the VD ep really highlighted her attempt to "hulk out", but Leonard this time opposed to S3, could of let Penny be, but he diddn't let her get away with it now, that's the big difference now Leonard is stepping up and being a man not the nerd who scored the hot chick, and Penny is compromising alot more now, so their realationship is alot more assured now, and they are almost equals now, but their is still along way to go, but if they keep working on their relationship as I am sure they well they'll be fine.

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I've also noticed in Season 6, they have really lightened up on Sheldon's germophobia. In the "Parking Spot Escalation", he did several things out of character. He accepted a cookie from Leonard's hand after refuting Raj's argument regarding zombies. He put on Howard's Iron Man helmet (and noted it smelled bad) and then sat in Howard's car naked. I doubt the old Sheldon would have tolerated any of these things.

 

In our conversation about Leonard and Penny's situation, I recall that I've never seen Penny cry in front of Leonard, except when she told him she loved him. All the other times when she has been emotional, she pitched a fit of some sort (the Valentine's day episode is one example, as is "The Egg Salad Equivalency"). Her go to move is to get mad (Hulk up, as some have referred to it?) when things don't go her way. 

 

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I've also noticed in Season 6, they have really lightened up on Sheldon's germophobia. In the "Parking Spot Escalation", he did several things out of character. He accepted a cookie from Leonard's hand after refuting Raj's argument regarding zombies. He put on Howard's Iron Man helmet (and noted it smelled bad) and then sat in Howard's car naked. I doubt the old Sheldon would have tolerated any of these things.

The thing with Sheldon's germophobia is that I'm not sure he really is germophobic. He over thinks things, sure, but he doesn't have an irrational fear of germs that permeates his life. He'll go on a kick where he gets terrified of germs, but most of the time he doesn't even think about it. There was the episode where he didn't want to go to the hospital because of the germs, but that was after he drank from somebody else's cup twice and had germs on the brain. For the most part Sheldon has rules, and so long as those rules are followed he doesn't need to think about the reasons behind those rules, which would cause him to obsess over one danger or another. It's the same with driving, when Leonard drives he knows what Sheldon is looking for in his style of driving and therefore Sheldon would probably ignore any other unsafe driving habits, but since Penny doesn't follow those rules Sheldon obsesses over every little thing she is doing wrong in the process.

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Why are we still disccusing the notion or even the idea of a Romantic Shenny it is riduclous lol.

 

There had not been a screed of a whisper of a shadow of Shenny in 37 posts, up until yours out of the blue. Idle bastard here counted. Dear sir, I am beginning to fear you have Shenny Tourettes.

 

 

Yeah don't get me wrong I love Sheldon and Penny's platonic friendship, I just think people are grasping at straws to expect anything romantic between them,

 

Where is this deluge of people grasping at straws? The S/P folk I encounter are fairly adamant in their belief that that nothing will occur. Presumably that is because they understand the "Alternate" part of the concept "Alternate Universe"....It's really not difficult.

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There had not been a screed of a whisper of a shadow of Shenny in 37 posts, up until yours out of the blue. Idle bastard here counted. Dear sir, I am beginning to fear you have Shenny Tourettes.

 

 

 

Where is this deluge of people grasping at straws? The S/P folk I encounter are fairly adamant in their belief that that nothing will occur. Presumably that is because they understand the "Alternate" part of the concept "Alternate Universe"....It's really not difficult.

Lol I have Shenny please call them Sheldon and Penny tourretes ;) Someone did mention it I was refering to the person who renforced the notion of a romantic Shenny, great intentions but the fact that ppl are still talking about it is my point, I am done back to Lenny :)

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I forgot about that one. Of course, she was pretty drunk, and not trying to manipulate Leonard.

Yeah she was drunk but I think she genieunely was concerned about Leonard for the way Kurt was treating him, she said something like "he always does stuff like that", I think Penny feels Kurt may change, that is one of Penny's best traits her trust in people partiuculary in the men she dated. that they well eventually do good by her, but it also one of her flaws, Leonard was the exception.

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Yeah she was drunk but I think she genieunely was concerned about Leonard for the way Kurt was treating him, she said something like "he always does stuff like that", I think Penny feels Kurt may change, that is one of Penny's best traits her trust in people partiuculary in the men she dated. that they well eventually do good by her, but it also one of her flaws, Leonard was the exception.

Don't forget "The Tangerine Factor". On her couch just before Leonard asks her out.

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I doubt he really trusts Penny yet. Leonard is not one to like having her pick on him. It would feel too much like bullying. If she supports him better, then he will develop more emotional strength and be what she needs. She is probably figuring out how to support Leonard too. However, picking on him about things Beverly would no doubt include in her book, such as preferring the left breast, or holding onto his penis, is not the way to make Leonard feel good, as he will feel belittled in Penny's eyes. Penny probably thinks it is good-natured teasing. I am sure Leonard does not.

The taping report does not provide us with much information in relation to the tone of the scenes (nor should it. That is what the actual episodes are for :)). But I have the feeling that Penny does not really tease Leonard with the information she gets from the book; she merely asks for extra details.

Why does she do that, when Leonard very obviously wants her to drop the topic altogether ? It could be because she wishes to do well in her class (Leonard knows everything there is to know about the book so, in her mind, he can explain all the confusing parts... Thereby forgetting that Leonard's childhood was just a long series of confusing parts) or it could be because she endeavours to know her boyfriend better and sees this as a perfect opportunity.  It could even be a blend of both. 

As far as we know, she teases him twice, and both times about information he volunteers. The first is when he tells her the book focuses on everything that came out of his body when growing up (and she asks whether there are photographs); the second is when he indicates he used to favour the left breast when nursing as an infant (to which she replies that he still does). Now, considering that he offers those details, it would not be unreasonable of Penny to take that as a tacit authorisation to defuse the situation with jokes.

 

As for Leonard's "retaliation", I believe it is important to note that he does not come up with the idea. In a way, Penny gives it to him.

At first, Leonard does not want to go to a bar to watch the game and tells his girlfriend. She assumes his reluctance to go out is due to his book-related embarrassment and suggets they stay at her place. That is Leonard's a-ha moment : he then realises that a compassionate Penny means a cooperative Penny so he tries his luck. And it works. It works once, twice, thrice... Leonard becomes dizzy wih power and cannot stop himself ! ;) At no point does he set out to punish Penny for having mocked him. He simply (and accidently) stumbles upon an "open sesame" that makes his girlfriend super duper nice and cannot help himself. 

Until, of course, the proverbial cat is let out of the idiomatic bag and Penny goes thermonuclear on his cute little tushie. 

 

While I definitely agree with you on Penny's need to develop better, more sensistive, "tools" to handle Leonard, I feel like this plot is more about Dr. Hofstadter discovering the perks of requited loved and going a teeny bit mental with them. For the first time in his life, he is with a woman who loves him as much as he loves her and the consequences of that (e.g. Penny offering compassion without him having to beg for it) surprise and thrill him... A tad too much. It is a learning curve; he will get there. 

 

 

On a more general note, what could possibly be the mistake Amy spots in Raiders of the Lost Ark ? I doubt it could be the submarine thing (that was mentioned before) so what is it ? Amy is a neuroscientist who works a lot with monkeys... Could it have something to do with the Monkey Man's trained capuchin ? 

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Don't forget "The Tangerine Factor". On her couch just before Leonard asks her out.

Yep remember she broke up with Mike was it who blogged about their sex life, Leonard inadvertantly convinced her to give him a second chance, she convinced herself of this, and found out he had already moved on. So Penny has always had the best intentions espeically with her relationships, she see's the best in everyone, but it can be her downfall as she can give her trust to guys who just diddn't deserve it in the first place, like I said Leonard is the exception. And imagining Sheldon trying to get back at Amy cracks me up haha.

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The thing with Sheldon's germophobia is that I'm not sure he really is germophobic. He over thinks things, sure, but he doesn't have an irrational fear of germs that permeates his life. He'll go on a kick where he gets terrified of germs, but most of the time he doesn't even think about it. There was the episode where he didn't want to go to the hospital because of the germs, but that was after he drank from somebody else's cup twice and had germs on the brain. For the most part Sheldon has rules, and so long as those rules are followed he doesn't need to think about the reasons behind those rules, which would cause him to obsess over one danger or another. It's the same with driving, when Leonard drives he knows what Sheldon is looking for in his style of driving and therefore Sheldon would probably ignore any other unsafe driving habits, but since Penny doesn't follow those rules Sheldon obsesses over every little thing she is doing wrong in the process.

 

Spot on! I always thought that for someone who's allegedly germophobic, Sheldon surely makes a lot of allowances in his life, first and foremost all the takeaway he eats. They have to be from his own "approved" restaurants but it's not like he has to go into the kitchen to check how his food is made and God knows what goes on in there. He is way too trusting for a germophobic. But once he has his rules in place (in this case, the approved restaurant) he is fine. That's what I find fascinating about him, so many behaviors are indicative of A on the surface when in reality they are more about B.

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The thing with Sheldon's germophobia is that I'm not sure he really is germophobic. He over thinks things, sure, but he doesn't have an irrational fear of germs that permeates his life. He'll go on a kick where he gets terrified of germs, but most of the time he doesn't even think about it. There was the episode where he didn't want to go to the hospital because of the germs, but that was after he drank from somebody else's cup twice and had germs on the brain. For the most part Sheldon has rules, and so long as those rules are followed he doesn't need to think about the reasons behind those rules, which would cause him to obsess over one danger or another. It's the same with driving, when Leonard drives he knows what Sheldon is looking for in his style of driving and therefore Sheldon would probably ignore any other unsafe driving habits, but since Penny doesn't follow those rules Sheldon obsesses over every little thing she is doing wrong in the process.

 

They can't have him freaking out about germs in every episode! and they can't cover every conceivable angle or the show would be impossible to write!

 

But his germ phobia runs through all the seasons. He has wipes and sanitizer. The thing is Sheldon is changing , evolving and the lines are not so defined anymore. If he recovers from his germ phobia eventually, I'm sure some fans will say he was never germ phobic. I'm more of a purist in that respect and I prefer to say Sheldon is changing.

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 Tyler: I need a Big Bang Theory couple update. Got anything for me?

Oh, we've got plenty of scoop, but it's not all sunshine and rainbows for our favorite Pasadena couples. Changes in Amy's job have brought her to Caltech and now it looks like Shamy will be seeing each other almost every day. Although it's great that Sheldon is doing his best to embrace his inner boyfriend, their new close proximity might smother their small but mighty relationship flame. And while one couple is getting closer together, another is drifting apart. Our somewhat-new newlyweds Bernadette and Howard will get into a huge fight within the first five episodes. In fact, the fight is so big that Howard moves out of their apartment, and moves in with Raj! Silver lining: Raj finally has someone to dote on now.  

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Oh, we've got plenty of scoop, but it's not all sunshine and rainbows for our favorite Pasadena couples. Changes in Amy's job have brought her to Caltech and now it looks like Shamy will be seeing each other almost every day. Although it's great that Sheldon is doing his best to embrace his inner boyfriend, their new close proximity might smother their small but mighty relationship flame. And while one couple is getting closer together, another is drifting apart. Our somewhat-new newlyweds Bernadette and Howard will get into a huge fight within the first five episodes. In fact, the fight is so big that Howard moves out of their apartment, and moves in with Raj! Silver lining: Raj finally has someone to dote on now.

 

Is the couple that is getting closer together, Leonard and Penny?  Over on the Lenny thread there is some concern that the writers are messing with them again.

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