Spoilers The Shamy - Season 7 Spoilers Only Discussion Thread

[Catlina]

Totally random but after Sheldon says the bit about Amy having her world rocked on his couch, he smiles goofily towards the TV

Also if anybody who makes gifs could gif it and allow me to use it I would be very grateful

 

Yes, that smile towards the tv gives us a possibility to think about what went through his mind in that moment...? Was it purely innocent or not that innocent, what do you think? I also believe that Sheldon knew what he was saying to Amy about this, it was all too obvious:

 I think Sheldon knew what he was doing with the virginity comment. I wonder if he is worried he'll chicken out when the moment comes. He'd just rather Amy think he doesn't know what he's saying than really disappoint her.

 

So what went through his mind while saying that "have your world rocked on my couch" and that goofy smile... Sheldon seemed so giddy, happy and enthusiastic there around her.

Edited October 12, 2013 by Catlina

[dessertisserved]

If I may bitch about something (LOL). Based on what we know of episode 5 and how it ended with Amy and Bernie upset because of their men, why are the writers just okay with ending it like that?? It wouldn't bother me so much if it weren't the fact that it's always the girls saying, " I'm sorry..." Bernie says it to Howard in episode 5...Amy said it last night to Sheldon but did he say it back for seeking revenge? No! Haha. So thinking of that and how episode 5 ends, I think it's only fair that these episodes end on a happy note for the ladies sometimes too. It shouldn't always be: the man screws up. He screws up again. No apology. The woman screws up. Apology.

End rant. LOL.

Your rant could be validated further by the fact that Amy did not have to apologize. He challenged her/defied her to find a story problem and she did. So why apologize for her intellect? Sheldon would never do that! Amy did not screw up, she was simply right.   So why did she apologize?

 

We could say it's because the writing staff is overwhelmingly men but let's suspend that and give them the benefit of the doubt by saying that they wanted to show the depth of Amy's commitment.  We've seen smart Amy and this was the opportunity to expose wise Amy. A woman wise enough to know the difference between the battle and the war. Knowing she could argue for being right or educate Sheldon on handling conflict within a relationship she chose the latter because she knows his need for vengeance needs to be nipped plus she's in it for the long haul.  His bratty childish ways are stale and though they might be funny with the boys they are a buzz kill when dealing with Shamy.

 

Does anyone else notice that since the Kripke episode Sheldon is becoming a master liar? Whatz up with that? The twitches, the guilt, the huge backstories are gone.

 

The lack of continuity or resolve drive me crazy so I was hoping 7x6 was a continuation of 7x5 but -- nope. Guess we'll have to create our own resolutions --- again.

[koops]

Ok, I try to stay out of this thread now because I'm avoiding spoilers, but this conversation had me intrigued, so I'll throw in my 2 cents.

 

Last episode, Amy apologized because, unlike Penny, she realized that it wasn't "just a movie" to Sheldon. That scene spoke so much of the difference between Amy and Penny and how Amy gets him and that the most important thing in their relationship isn't being "right", but rather understanding each other and being honest. 

 

In 7x05 AMY is the one that was being ridiculous in the end. Come on! Last season she had plenty of moments where she would have been completely within her right to slam the door in his face and put him in his place (Tenure Turbulence the most glaring example), and yet she was just standing there and taking it. Now that Sheldon is embracing couple-hood she gets angry? Because he goes over the top sappy with it at work? She had every right to be annoyed at him taking Howard's stupid advice at the beginning, but the cafeteria part was something pretty silly of her to be angry over. And that was the point: to make her be a bit too unreasonable in order to reinstate the balance. I thought the whole conversation Sheldon had when he came over to her apartment to fix things in the middle of the night was spot on regarding their relationship: they both can be immature and both put up with each other's nonsense. They are both weird and they both love each other, quirks and all. They needed to end the scene on the "I put up with your nonsense" line, with Amy getting annoyed, in order to dissipate the sappiness out of the scene (since we essentially just witnessed a coddamn love declaration on Sheldon's part) and because otherwise there was nowhere to go but to have them kiss or go to bed: it is the middle of the night, and he just told her the sweetest things to ever come out of his mouth, I have no idea how else were they going to end the episode.

 

Bernadette and Howard is constantly about Howard being wrong and shouted at. It's hardly like the poor woman always has to apologize, quite the opposite. Howard always messes up, constantly. I really want an episode where Bernadette messes up and has to make it up to Howard for once. 

 

But as this is the Shamy thread, I will stick to Shamy. The continuity so far this season has been incredible. One ep is building on top of the other in a way I hadn't seen since S5, and possibly even better than S5, down to the very fine details and hints. This upcoming ep in particular seems almost too good to be true. I haven't felt this excited in a long time. And, on that note, I'll try to stay out of here

[stardustmelody]

Ok, I try to stay out of this thread now because I'm avoiding spoilers, but this conversation had me intrigued, so I'll throw in my 2 cents.

 

Last episode, Amy apologized because, unlike Penny, she realized that it wasn't "just a movie" to Sheldon. That scene spoke so much of the difference between Amy and Penny and how Amy gets him and that the most important thing in their relationship isn't being "right", but rather understanding each other and being honest. 

 

In 7x05 AMY is the one that was being ridiculous in the end. Come on! Last season she had plenty of moments where she would have been completely within her right to slam the door in his face and put him in his place (Tenure Turbulence the most glaring example), and yet she was just standing there and taking it. Now that Sheldon is embracing couple-hood she gets angry? Because he goes over the top sappy with it at work? She had every right to be annoyed at him taking Howard's stupid advice at the beginning, but the cafeteria part was something pretty silly of her to be angry over. And that was the point: to make her be a bit too unreasonable in order to reinstate the balance. I thought the whole conversation Sheldon had when he came over to her apartment to fix things in the middle of the night was spot on regarding their relationship: they both can be immature and both put up with each other's nonsense. They are both weird and they both love each other, quirks and all. They needed to end the scene on the "I put up with your nonsense" line, with Amy getting annoyed, in order to dissipate the sappiness out of the scene (since we essentially just witnessed a coddamn love declaration on Sheldon's part) and because otherwise there was nowhere to go but to have them kiss or go to bed: it is the middle of the night, and he just told her the sweetest things to ever come out of his mouth, I have no idea how else were they going to end the episode.

 

Bernadette and Howard is constantly about Howard being wrong and shouted at. It's hardly like the poor woman always has to apologize, quite the opposite. Howard always messes up, constantly. I really want an episode where Bernadette messes up and has to make it up to Howard for once. 

 

But as this is the Shamy thread, I will stick to Shamy. The continuity so far this season has been incredible. One ep is building on top of the other in a way I hadn't seen since S5, and possibly even better than S5, down to the very fine details and hints. This upcoming ep in particular seems almost too good to be true. I haven't felt this excited in a long time. And, on that note, I'll try to stay out of here

 

 

I think we all agree that Amy gets Sheldon, but does Sheldon get Amy?   I think that is the fundamental issue here.   When they leave the shows where you don't feel that there was resolution and that Amy was the one always having to "get" Sheldon, and overcome her own anger, it is sort of annoying.  I realize you make a valid point that the argument Amy makes in 7.05...she should have thought through more about what he was implying...but for once I was glad to see her not only stand her ground that he didn't "get" her because he chose the wrong timing to suddenly make a romantic gesture and talk of them in such terms.  

 

We all recognize Sheldon is selfish, but when there are two people in a relationship and supposedly both are caring about the other, at some point Sheldon is going to have to start to try and "get" Amy.  He has to realize that the gesture was okay, but the timing was poor.   He could have chosen a better way of going about it.   So I cannot fault Amy in this case because even though she probably was pleased he was showing some sort of interest in her romantically for a change, the location and timing was horrible.  It was in a professional (work related) location and with new colleagues where when you are trying to establish yourself, that is the least thing on your mind (romance that is).   You are usually nervous and wanting to prove yourself professional.   So he sort of blew that image of her immediately for her and that is why she was upset.   I would have been very annoyed as well if I were in her shoes.  

 

Fundamentally at some point, Sheldon needs to try a bit harder to "get" Amy and also to figure out the appropriate places and times for things.   I realize he is learning and we, the audience, cut him slack because of that.   But as the receiving character on the other end, I think they handled it very realistically from Amy's perspective.  

 

It still was unresolved, as Monique posted.  Just like I don't buy Phanta's argument fully (to a certain extent yes, but not fully).  Spoiler Alert was still ended with two girls quite upset with their men.   And by the way, Amy didn't even know she would be suggesting a move in.   She gave Sheldon the option to say "no" several times (just like Leonard did to Penny several times).  Both Sheldon and Penny were the ones too chicken to be honest.   So they were clearly at fault for lacking ability to be honest with the people they care about.   Both only wanted to hear the truth and would have accepted the decisions made by their significant others.   But they were not told the truth and so were encouraged and excited.  I can't fault them for that.   That one was not resolved because you still had four upset people in the end, although the boys seemed to have recovered faster than the girls.  It still felt unfinished.   Same with 7.05 based on the taping report. It still feels unfinished.

Edited October 13, 2013 by stardustmelody

[koops]

You do realize that only 4 months ago we were here banging our heads against the wall wondering whether Sheldon will *ever* finally start showing some overt sign that he is in this relationship for the right reasons? And now that he IS doing that we complain about the timing? In a comedy? He is finally trying! And he is clumsy and inappropriate about it, but he is trying, and that's the most important thing. It isn't "bear paws" and "I'm back and forth" and "I wish you were dead" any longer. It is Sheldon proudly saying he is in a relationship and that it is physical and he loves it. I mean, I am just shocked, I guess, that we were seriously wondering whether a break up was on the horizon as late as a month ago and now that we are at the stage of him showing up at her door in the middle of the night because he cannot sleep over how things are not ok between them and telling her, essentially, that he loves her unconditionally, you're saying that he needs to try harder? The writers wrote a fantastic episode where they managed to make the point, again and again and again, that Sheldon is so smitten with her (like we DEMANDED for months and months) while making it awkward and comedic at the same time. The important take home message from this episode isn't that last door slam, it's everything that came out of Sheldon's mouth throughout the episode that shows were his head and heart are at regarding this relationship.

 

In 6x15 it was Amy, again, who was being unreasonable. She just invited herself to move in. Yes, Sheldon was a chicken in not telling her that they weren't ready for that, but Amy was just as immature. Everyone was in the wrong in that episode. Not just the boys. Not just the girls. I agree that the resolution was very poor, but it isn't that the show was trying to send the message that the girls were on the losing end. At all. If anything, they were the ones who stormed off to drink wine and left Leonard and Sheldon awkwardly standing on the landing. I guess I just don't see this as a boys vs girls matter at all. 

[dessertisserved]

Ok, I try to stay out of this thread now because I'm avoiding spoilers, but this conversation had me intrigued, so I'll throw in my 2 cents.

 

Last episode, Amy apologized because, unlike Penny, she realized that it wasn't "just a movie" to Sheldon. That scene spoke so much of the difference between Amy and Penny and how Amy gets him and that the most important thing in their relationship isn't being "right", but rather understanding each other and being honest. 

 

That's perfect.

 

I agree on 7x5 but waiting to see what the final edit looks like.

 

Just saw the new promo and one look at his I'm in love face  and I hope that's not why she is mad at him.

Edited October 13, 2013 by dessertisserved

[stardustmelody]

You do realize that only 4 months ago we were here banging our heads against the wall wondering whether Sheldon will *ever* finally start showing some overt sign that he is in this relationship for the right reasons? And now that he IS doing that we complain about the timing? In a comedy? He is finally trying! And he is clumsy and inappropriate about it, but he is trying, and that's the most important thing. It isn't "bear paws" and "I'm back and forth" and "I wish you were dead" any longer. It is Sheldon proudly saying he is in a relationship and that it is physical and he loves it. I mean, I am just shocked, I guess, that we were seriously wondering whether a break up was on the horizon as late as a month ago and now that we are at the stage of him showing up at her door in the middle of the night because he cannot sleep over how things are not ok between them and telling her, essentially, that he loves her unconditionally, you're saying that he needs to try harder? The writers wrote a fantastic episode where they managed to make the point, again and again and again, that Sheldon is so smitten with her (like we DEMANDED for months and months) while making it awkward and comedic at the same time. The important take home message from this episode isn't that last door slam, it's everything that came out of Sheldon's mouth throughout the episode that shows were his head and heart are at regarding this relationship.

 

In 6x15 it was Amy, again, who was being unreasonable. She just invited herself to move in. Yes, Sheldon was a chicken in not telling her that they weren't ready for that, but Amy was just as immature. Everyone was in the wrong in that episode. Not just the boys. Not just the girls. I agree that the resolution was very poor, but it isn't that the show was trying to send the message that the girls were on the losing end. At all. If anything, they were the ones who stormed off to drink wine and left Leonard and Sheldon awkwardly standing on the landing. I guess I just don't see this as a boys vs girls matter at all. 

 

Yes...I agree that it is great to see Sheldon showing romantic interest in Amy and acknowledging their relationship is one of being a couple and romantic in nature.  I don't think I meant to argue about the timing (even though it stunk), but I was supporting Monique's original post about completion.   I guess it is the Sheldon in me that likes to see completion of story.  When they leave it dangling where everyone is still at odds, it doesn't feel finished.   I know it is a comedy and not everything is always going to be finished.  However, sometimes they end it where they are pretty angry with each other and then the next episode are like nothing bad every happened.   That is what we were commenting on.

[3ku11]

Ok, I try to stay out of this thread now because I'm avoiding spoilers, but this conversation had me intrigued, so I'll throw in my 2 cents.

 

Last episode, Amy apologized because, unlike Penny, she realized that it wasn't "just a movie" to Sheldon. That scene spoke so much of the difference between Amy and Penny and how Amy gets him and that the most important thing in their relationship isn't being "right", but rather understanding each other and being honest. 

 

In 7x05 AMY is the one that was being ridiculous in the end. Come on! Last season she had plenty of moments where she would have been completely within her right to slam the door in his face and put him in his place (Tenure Turbulence the most glaring example), and yet she was just standing there and taking it. Now that Sheldon is embracing couple-hood she gets angry? Because he goes over the top sappy with it at work? She had every right to be annoyed at him taking Howard's stupid advice at the beginning, but the cafeteria part was something pretty silly of her to be angry over. And that was the point: to make her be a bit too unreasonable in order to reinstate the balance. I thought the whole conversation Sheldon had when he came over to her apartment to fix things in the middle of the night was spot on regarding their relationship: they both can be immature and both put up with each other's nonsense. They are both weird and they both love each other, quirks and all. They needed to end the scene on the "I put up with your nonsense" line, with Amy getting annoyed, in order to dissipate the sappiness out of the scene (since we essentially just witnessed a coddamn love declaration on Sheldon's part) and because otherwise there was nowhere to go but to have them kiss or go to bed: it is the middle of the night, and he just told her the sweetest things to ever come out of his mouth, I have no idea how else were they going to end the episode.

 

Bernadette and Howard is constantly about Howard being wrong and shouted at. It's hardly like the poor woman always has to apologize, quite the opposite. Howard always messes up, constantly. I really want an episode where Bernadette messes up and has to make it up to Howard for once. 

 

But as this is the Shamy thread, I will stick to Shamy. The continuity so far this season has been incredible. One ep is building on top of the other in a way I hadn't seen since S5, and possibly even better than S5, down to the very fine details and hints. This upcoming ep in particular seems almost too good to be true. I haven't felt this excited in a long time. And, on that note, I'll try to stay out of here

I don't agree with that Amy's relationship with Sheldon is VERY different to Penny's with Leonard, Penny did apoligize for the record about the book, but their relationship is more conventional then Sheldon and Amy who have turned the social convention on it's head when it come's to a relationship. Sheldon has very complex intricacies that Amy almost has too, they are both very eccentric personalities, where as with Leonard and Penny are both archtypical personalities in a very standard relationship, in terms of the social convention standard's expected from society. Not saying you don't have a point that Amy does understand Sheldon, although I think you were more referring to Amy understanding Sheldon more then anyone else, but my point is still valid haha.

[koops]

Skull, I was talking about the difference between Penny in 7x01 with the YouTube thing and Amy in this one with Raiders, not as in Penny with Leonard.

[MJistheBOMB]

For the record, I'm so happy with how they have progressed Sheldon this season. The fact that I like closure sometimes doesn't change that. Haha.

[HollyAndOatmeal]

Hey all!  I am a new member here, but some of you may already know my lovely and loud wife, AdorkablyMe!  She has chosen to go unspoiled for the remainder of the season.  Yea right!  So I decided to create my own account.  Long live the Shamy!

[Maddie]

I know I'm not a part of this discussion, but I just wanted to say that I actually prefer the way they handled the end of Spoiler Alert. It just seems a bit more realistic than a huge apology/resolution scene. They had a fight, then Sheldon asked if Leonard wanted to watch Walking Dead (I think), and they just moved on, forgot the fight ever happened. And the end of 7x5, the resolution was Sheldon going to Amy's door and telling her he liked her. That probably touched Amy more than an apology ever could. So, an apology isn't really necessary, especially when you consider this is a comedy and getting mad at each other is just a part of it. I know people want to see Sheldon own up and take responsibility for his actions, but like someone said, it's important that we don't expect too much from him. And like what Koops said, isn't Sheldon basically telling Amy he loves her so much better anyway? In the Vacation Solution, he apologized to Amy, but this just seems so much more... I don't know... better. Because anyone could just say they're sorry without meaning it, just to put a bandaid on the problem, but Sheldon took it the extra mile. He didn't have to say what he said, it wasn't a social rule he was following. He just said it because that's what he was feeling (I'm guessing - I haven't actually seen the scene yet, lol).

 

Anyway, that's just my opinion. :]

[stardustmelody]

For the record, I'm so happy with how they have progressed Sheldon this season. The fact that I like closure sometimes doesn't change that. Haha.

 

Agree...same here.  S7 has definitely had some great scripts thus far from what we can tell. I am very much looking to both 7.05 and 7.06.   Wish we had someone going to 7.07.  I am curious to know what will be in that episode (that involves Amy, that is...I know it is PP/Nye episode).

[Susana Alcira]

When ep 7.07 is being taped? Next week?

[Maddie]

^ Yes, the fifteenth. :]

[MJistheBOMB]

These episodes can't come fast enough. LOL

[Susana Alcira]

WHY?

why?!

[stardustmelody]

WHY?

why?!

Because they are going to be so good and we will want to watch over and over again, not to mention all the lovely .gifs we will be getting from them.  LOL!

[Susana Alcira]

OH! I love it!    

[MJistheBOMB]

Hey all!  I am a new member here, but some of you may already know my lovely and loud wife, AdorkablyMe!  She has chosen to go unspoiled for the remainder of the season.  Yea right!  So I decided to create my own account.  Long live the Shamy!

 

Welcome! It's a pleasure to meet her other half :-)

[stardustmelody]

Nice to meet you HollyandOatmeal!   Welcome to Shamyland!  

 

So as much as I understand how Amy would be terribly annoyed and embarrassed at Sheldon's timing in The Workplace Proximity to be "romantic", you wonder how her heart can't help but melt when he calls her his "cute little lump of wool."    Something about that is just too darned adorable to not just make your heart melt.  I love how he came up with his own unique nickname for her (kudos to the writers for giving her one that is so "him").   Everytime I see that promo I can't help but squeal that he came up with such an adorable thing to call her.   I know it is awkward and unusual, but it is perfect when you consider this couple.   So sweet.....

Edited October 14, 2013 by stardustmelody

[MJistheBOMB]

Woah, woah, woah! There's a promo of this moment and I haven't seen it??? Haha.

[HollyAndOatmeal]

This is the only promo I've seen:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuOk9kp8z8A

[Chaliceinnana]

Woah, woah, woah! There's a promo of this moment and I haven't seen it??? Haha.

Yes there is. His cute ball of wool. He's just so happy when he says it. He has no idea that he's being annoying. He's so cat like.

 

I know why she's annoyed, but he's so cheerful about them to new people.

Edited October 14, 2013 by Chaliceinnana

[MJistheBOMB]

Yeah, I'm telling you, he was so proud and happy in that moment. So cute.

That reminded me though (back to the other discussion). Koops, she was annoyed with him for more than just him behaving a certain way at work. She was upset because he went from being ok with her working there to him telling her not to. IMO, that was a valid reason to be upset. I don't think she was being "ridiculous" at all.