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Okay, guys, I have some questions.

I mentioned to some folks that I was playing around with writing a post-Locomotive (or post SIK, anyway) little fic.  I guess I'm mostly kind of exploring what might be going on in Sheldon's head from the moment he kisses her until maybe the next evening when he talks to Leonard.  I'm not sure how far I want to go with it.

 

Well, I had come up with some stuff that I sent to my sister and she kind of popped my balloon...  Now, I appreciate her writing skills and her sense of timing (like when certain things might bog down the storytelling, etc.), but I'm not sure how I feel about her take on this.  So this is part of what she said, with my thoughts at the end:

 

I guess I feel like it is risky to re-write an event that was already filmed.  I know you were trying to get Sheldon's feelings about the whole thing.  But the scene itself is so perfect that I didn't really want to confuse it with too much detail.

 

I guess the more interesting thing for me is the rest, what happened in the gaps that the show left.  And if you think of the brilliance of the writers, they left all that stuff out because it would make that kiss scene lose it's charge if too much is explained.  They left it and just got Sheldon's "recap" to Leonard later.

 

And maybe that's really where you should take your cue.

 

He gets home and that kiss that we all make such a big deal over is just one thing in a list for him.  And that is the real him.  If you took your fic and stuck in the story, then the scene back at the apartment would be incongrous.  You know what I mean?

 

I do feel like the work itself is a little redundant.  And too complex for these two.  I don't think Sheldon is that complex.  I understand the awakening that you are trying to convey, but I think it is way too fast.

 

What would interest me more is Amy's evolution and her expectation.  She is the one that has really dramatically changed over the years.  Sheldon is changing, but he's like the melting glaciers or the tectonic plates.  Oh sure, that mountain is there because of two tectonic plates shifting, we say, like we can see it happen, but you know it took millions of years.  Dramatic change, yes, but so slow you can't really see it.  That's Sheldon.  So what is it like to be his girlfriend?  What is it like to look at that mountain every day and think  maybe it grew an inch today????  That would be more interesting to me.  Sheldon is adorable and interesting, but he is adorable and interesting because he doesn't really move, no matter what the rest of us think.  Everyone else must adjust to him.  So what is that like for Amy?  You know she's gonna be reeling over that kiss and though she doesn't really know how it "goes", she, as a human, is going to be expecting, oh, now things are gonna change.  But we see from the scene with Leonard that it hasn't really.  So how is she going to deal with that?

 

That's my $.02

 

So...

While I do think she makes a good point about Amy's perspective being an interesting one, you know me.  I'm all about getting inside Shelly's head.  So, maybe I'll try to write something from Amy's POV at some point, but for now, I'm still interested in what was going on in Sheldon's mind.

Apart from my bad habit of redundancy (I'm the Manager of The Department of Redundancy Department), what I was trying to work through was what he was thinking, because despite the matter-of-fact-ness of his recap to Leonard, we SEE in that moment that he's thrown for a loop, that the kiss does affect him.  That it basically shuts his mouth (no pun intended) on the whole you tricked me/let's have "romance" tirade.  He goes all shy and quiet for a reason, and being the thinking person that he is, he's got to be thinking something.  Maybe not in the absolute moment of the kiss, but certainly once he breaks it.

 

I think that the writers don't detail everything for a reason, but a lot of that is that it's a different medium.  On TV you have to show, not tell, and that swallow, and the quietness of his invitation to her, etc., was the showing.

But we do know that after that train ride, they got to Napa, listened to the banjo-playing engineer, spent the night, then returned (by train, presumably) to Pasadena--and it was evening when Sheldon returned to the apartment.

 

So somewhere in that trip, he went from the heat of that moment of the kiss to listening to the banjo playing, to coolly assessing his experiences.

So, for me, I'm interested in that mental/emotional/maybe physical journey.  What does he think about when they get to the lodge?  Does Amy join him for the banjo music? Do they kiss again?  How is the train trip back home?

 

I feel like he's in a bit of a dreamy fog immediately after the kiss, but he's back to himself, more or less, when he talks to Leonard.  To me, there's a story there.  Yes, they're not going to show that in the episode, because that's not really the point of the episode (the time in Napa), but it's still part of the background story.

 

And while he didn't jump out immediately and say that kissing Amy was his favorite event, I think that's partly the function of the punchline, since he obviously, as we know, puts kissing on Date Night into the RelAg.

 

Anyway, what say you all?

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I had the best dream last night guys;

*Following Sheldon into his apartment*

"Sheldon what's the matter with you?! Why have you been so cold lately? I thought things were going well with us!"

"They are"

"Then what's wrong with you?"

"Nothing"

"Sheldon, talk to me, I know when you're not telling me something!"

"It's nothing!"

"Tell me!"

"No"

"Sheldon, please..."

"I'm scared ok..."

"Scared of what?!"

*Sheldon spins around to face Amy*

"...of how much I love you!"

*Sheldon is literally frozen on the spot, the magnitude of what he had just said beginning to sink in.Then Amy looked completely smitten and walked straight up to him, grabbed the back of his neck and kissed him full on the mouth. He sinks down to her level and wraps his arms around her waist. When they break apart;

"I love you too"

"...good"

God, I have the cheesiest dreams :giveheart:

OMG love it,
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I totally agree with trying to get into Sheldon's head. I can't speak for everyone, but I know that I really want to know what he was thinking during the kiss and after during the weekend. I'm really thinking there may have been a serious conversation between them, which Amy may have brought up about the kiss and what it represents. I have a feeling that the discussion of adding it to the RA may have happened that same weekend. While Sheldon was engaging in these other activities, it may have been in the back of his mind. You don't break a barrier that huge in your personality without thinking about it, IMO. I would like to know what he thought of not only his relationship, but HIMSELF after that kiss. It has been brought up that there is a parallel with him when talking to his mother in "The Mommy Observation." Does he find himself a hypocrite? Is he thinking it is okay to be feeling what he does? What DOES he feel? I think these are all valid things to explore. And things in which I hope will come up in the finale. :p

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I had the best dream last night guys;

 

*Following Sheldon into his apartment*

 

"Sheldon what's the matter with you?! Why have you been so cold lately? I thought things were going well with us!"

"They are"

"Then what's wrong with you?"

"Nothing"

"Sheldon, talk to me, I know when you're not telling me something!"

"It's nothing!"

"Tell me!"

"No"

"Sheldon, please..."

"I'm scared ok..."

"Scared of what?!"

 

*Sheldon spins around to face Amy*

 

"...of how much I love you!"

*Sheldon is literally frozen on the spot, the magnitude of what he had just said beginning to sink in.Then Amy looked completely smitten and walked straight up to him, grabbed the back of his neck and kissed him full on the mouth. He sinks down to her level and wraps his arms around her waist. When they break apart;

 

"I love you too"

 

"...good"

 

God, I have the cheesiest dreams   :giveheart:

 

beautiful

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Oh, and did anyone notice that Sheldon bumps Amy's glasses with his nose when he starts kissing her?  :p

 

I was rewatching it and saw her glasses move and I was a little confused until I realized it has to be his nose bumping into her glasses. ;)


I totally agree with trying to get into Sheldon's head. I can't speak for everyone, but I know that I really want to know what he was thinking during the kiss and after during the weekend. I'm really thinking there may have been a serious conversation between them, which Amy may have brought up about the kiss and what it represents. I have a feeling that the discussion of adding it to the RA may have happened that same weekend. While Sheldon was engaging in these other activities, it may have been in the back of his mind. You don't break a barrier that huge in your personality without thinking about it, IMO. I would like to know what he thought of not only his relationship, but HIMSELF after that kiss. It has been brought up that there is a parallel with him when talking to his mother in "The Mommy Observation." Does he find himself a hypocrite? Is he thinking it is okay to be feeling what he does? What DOES he feel? I think these are all valid things to explore. And things in which I hope will come up in the finale. :p

 

I guess another issue to take into consideration in what was going on in his head was that we see him in the next episode, ready to break up with her over the change issue.  Now, he says he hadn't noticed it, like the frog in the slowly heating pot, but in that moment where he is assessing how she has changed him, that kissing business that Penny had just brought up--that he seemed self-conscious about--had to be part of that assessment.  Now, we don't know exactly when he added kissing to the Date Night activities, or if they had a heart-to-heart conversation in Napa (I somehow don't think so), but at the very least, he had to have gone through SOMETHING during that trip, even if he tried to go back his "normal" mode when he got back.  And in some ways he did go back to "normal", but at the very least, he had something happen in that moment that has obviously changed his perspective.

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I have such mixed feelings about the second SIK. I conditioned myself to accept that it would be a comedic kiss because everything I read about it indicated it would be (close mouthed, talking, discussing video games, ect...) but I have to say, I was still a little disheartened when I saw it. I got over it because I realize it has it's purpose and I do believe this kiss is a precursor for what is going to happen between Sheldon and Amy in future episodes. Something I like about the kiss is the duration and the way Sheldon approached her with a smile. I like that he was looking into her eyes too. It shows that he's comfortable. What I don't like is how he clearly wasn't present. He wasn't sharing a kiss with Amy in her living room; he was shopping for game consoles in his mind. 

 

I feel like when Sheldon progresses physically, his emotional strides lose momentum. I want him to put his heart where his mouth is. What made the first SIK so amazing was the emotion and realization you see crossing his face and the kindness towards Amy that followed. This kiss lacked that for me. Yes, he smiled. Yes, he complied. But it felt in large part like something he did so he could cross it off his list. It's on his list. That's huge in itself. I guess I'm just someone who would rather hear or see Sheldon putting Amy before himself or expressing his feelings. I'd take a million of those moments before a kiss he was contractually obligated to give. I know that's probably an unpopular opinion and people will come at me with reasons why he enjoyed it. I'm not even saying he didn't. He would freak out over far less with anyone else. The relationship agreement was obviously altered by him. He's definitely on this journey with Amy. I just think he needs to be woken up from the egocentric daze he's in. That's Sheldon's personality in a nutshell, but he's been way more emotionally available to Amy in the past.

 

Sheldon just seemed emotionally introverted and self consumed in this episode and seems to stay that way until The Proton Transmogrification. That's when I think things will change. Because of that episode and what it represents, I wouldn't at all be surprised if this season ended in "I love you" between Amy and Sheldon. They are obviously building up to something. Sex is off the table. They just started kissing. With an emphasis on Sheldon learning to accept change while paying more attention to the love he has for the people in his life, I'd bet money that the finale will include the sweetest Shamy exchange we've seen yet.

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Phanta,

 

I love your idea of exploring Sheldon's mind post-kiss. I disagree with your sister's analysis--I think something in Sheldon snapped, switched on, whatever you want to call it during that kiss. I don't think it was glacial or tectonic...though the process of him fully coming to terms with his feelings might be. And if the second kiss we saw is anything to go by (and I personally think that there were kisses in between), him acting on those feelings hasn't been glacial either. It's in the RA now, and in my head, its not written as a "8 to 15 second kiss, hands on hips, none of our friends around" or whatever. In my head, its simply "we kiss at the end of date nights", and Sheldon is deciding how long these kisses last, whether to touch her, etc.. Amy did raise her eyebrows about 5 seconds into the kiss, just before he started talking...."mmmmm, nice long kiss from Shelly tonight" was where my brain went. :)

 

And regarding kissing Amy not being his clear fave of the train weekend, well...he liked it as much as he liked making a new friend obsessed with trains. And we know how much he likes trains! To me, that his kiss with Amy is "in the mix" at all was huge. Kinda like her being among his screensaver pics.

 

Looking forward to reading your story.

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I had the best dream last night guys;

 

*Following Sheldon into his apartment*

 

"Sheldon what's the matter with you?! Why have you been so cold lately? I thought things were going well with us!"

"They are"

"Then what's wrong with you?"

"Nothing"

"Sheldon, talk to me, I know when you're not telling me something!"

"It's nothing!"

"Tell me!"

"No"

"Sheldon, please..."

"I'm scared ok..."

"Scared of what?!"

 

*Sheldon spins around to face Amy*

 

"...of how much I love you!"

*Sheldon is literally frozen on the spot, the magnitude of what he had just said beginning to sink in.Then Amy looked completely smitten and walked straight up to him, grabbed the back of his neck and kissed him full on the mouth. He sinks down to her level and wraps his arms around her waist. When they break apart;

 

"I love you too"

 

"...good"

 

God, I have the cheesiest dreams   :giveheart:

amazing~~!!!

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Anyone else see the recent ausiello May Sweeps article where he says there are three shows that have a couple 'either kissing/sex/ saying 'I LOVE YOU' for the first time? Yeah. I'm gonna pass out.

 

AN I LOVE YOU IS COMING. NO ONE TOUCH ME.

 

I'd say ILY goes to Shamy, the kiss -- to Remily.  :girlhide:

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Are people happy to see Sheldon kissing Amy while she doesn't respond?

I do hope that is rectified in the future because I'm not sure I want to see everything one sided, we've had that from Amy wanting intimacy in the past and sheldon not being ready

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Oh I'm happy that Sheldon is enjoying the kissing, I just wish Amy did as well and your comment about her standing like a cardboard made me Lol as its very true

I do think and hope they are going somewhere with the reluctance or hesitation in Amy's part though

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I personally think there is a response in her nonresponse.  If that makes sense.  It's not like she is standing there all indifferent.  It is almost like stunned sense of confusion and maybe a little bit of fear.  Because she is also as inexperienced as Sheldon, she has to make the adjustment to, what I assume, is their new normal just as he does.  I see it as Sheldon being extremely confident and Amy being really unsure of herself.

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I personally think there is a response in her nonresponse. If that makes sense. It's not like she is standing there all indifferent. It is almost like stunned sense of confusion and maybe a little bit of fear. Because she is also as inexperienced as Sheldon, she has to make the adjustment to, what I assume, is their new normal just as he does. I see it as Sheldon being extremely confident and Amy being really unsure of herself.

Agree, there is a response. It's small, but it's there. She do lift her head, close her eyes and pucker her lips just enough to grab on to his lower lip. Maybe it's exaggerating saying she "participates" in the kiss but I think it's very fair to say she gladly recieves it without any bigger hesitation. Insecurity yes, for good reasons that people have already stated out, but reluctance is imo not the right word for it.

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I personally think there is a response in her nonresponse.  If that makes sense.  It's not like she is standing there all indifferent.  It is almost like stunned sense of confusion and maybe a little bit of fear.  Because she is also as inexperienced as Sheldon, she has to make the adjustment to, what I assume, is their new normal just as he does.  I see it as Sheldon being extremely confident and Amy being really unsure of herself.

 

Yep.

 

Plus, she still can not believe, this is actually happening, this is not just her dream, that Sheldon Cooper is kissing her, all the more, she feels he loves kissing her. After almost 4 years, some of us can not believe it, all the more -- Amy.  :kissing: 

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