Spoilers The Shamy - Season 7 Spoilers Only Discussion Thread

[stardustmelody]

Yes you're right, he is a dreamer and that's something you prob has to be as a psysicist.

But I think that when Sheldon says dreamy after he gets his hair styled he does not mean it as "the one who dreams", but rather "that dreamy looking one", something you usually call cute guys in boybands.

And that's what startled me just a little, in a positive way though, that Sheldon refer to himself as looking good on the outside, before he quickly adds that's he also has a beautiful mind.

 

 

It could be that because Sheldon is opening his heart to being in love with Amy and "hippie-dippy" things, and because he is in the midst of a career crisis, he is more conscious of beauty?   It might be that he is in a way a bit disappointed in himself for being a dreamer to a certain extent instead of actually having a bunch of success he can point to at this moment.   I don't think he minds being a dreamer per se, but he clearly is upset at his lack of success and feeling like he has wasted years of effort for nothing.   So you don't always think rationally or the same when you are going through a crisis like that.

 

I suspect once he realizes Amy is the key to his happiness and moves toward making that a reality for him, and he starts to find focus at work again, we will see a bit more of the "brilliant mind" version back.  Or at least I hope so.  I would like to see more of this exceptional couple return.

Mayim is cockblocking my future weddings feels..

 

But then again, Mayim and Jim said shamy would never kiss.. so whatevs

I agree...and Mayim has always been far more "pessimistic" in her statements than Jim has.  I bet if you asked Jim, he could see them very much getting married in the future.

[KiwiIcedTea]

The himym finale was a complete train wreck. They undid nine years of character development in less than an hour. They had a fixed ending from the beginning and ignored the natural progression of the show. TBBT is not going to do that. They won't destroy all their hard work. They're smart. They know they have something special with Shamy. Sheldon/Penny have no chance of happening now. Maybe back in the first/second season they could have started something, but not now. Definitely not now.  

 

Couldn't have said it better myself. I cried during the series finale of HIMYM, and not in a good way D: But yeah, it just wouldn't make any sense if the writers decided to pair Sheldon with Penny all of a sudden, it would be WAAY too left wing for the show. Think about it; their relationship has been completely platonic throughout the entire series thus far, and assuming that the series is more than likely past it's halfway point, starting up a complex relationship like that this far in just wouldn't work (they just wouldn't have enough time to develop it properly tbh). As Missy said, maybe if they played around with the idea of the relationship early on in the series it would be more plausible, but since they didn't, it's almost next to impossible at this point. 

 

On top of that, the writers have spent a VERY long time developing both Sheldon/Amy's relationship, and Leonard/Penny's relationship. I seriously doubt that at this point, where both couples have an extraneous amount of fans shipping them both that they would twist the story in on us like that. Plus, I mean, all the character development catalyzed by these pairings would be completely in vein, and also make a lot of people upset. 

 

And consider this; TBBT is a comedy. HIMYM was more of a comedy/drama, and could get away with a deeper/more complicated plot line, which is exactly why they were able to pull off a plot twist like they did (Even though it still wasn't very good, it still didn't seem COMPLETELY out of place). If TBBT were to pull a twist like that on us by mixing up the major couples, it would be WAY, WAY too out of place because like I said, it IS a comedy, and comedy's don't normally have THAT complex of a story line. Yes, like TBBT, a lot of comedy's do have a little heart in them (a little emotion, drama, etc). However, unless they are deemed as comedy/drama, they don't normally have complicated/shocking plot twists such as that in HIMYM (unless it's done in a comical way). 

 

IMO, I don't think it'll ever happen. It just seems too out of place, and the show would lose a large chunk of viewers if they decided to do something that drastic. SOOO I wouldn't worry, I think were safe

[xMissyGoesHuntingForFeelsx]

Couldn't have said it better myself. I cried during the series finale of HIMYM, and not in a good way D: But yeah, it just wouldn't make any sense if the writers decided to pair Sheldon with Penny all of a sudden, it would be WAAY too left wing for the show. Think about it; their relationship has been completely platonic throughout the entire series thus far, and assuming that the series is more than likely past it's halfway point, starting up a complex relationship like that this far in just wouldn't work (they just wouldn't have enough time to develop it properly tbh). As Missy said, maybe if they played around with the idea of the relationship early on in the series it would be more plausible, but since they didn't, it's almost next to impossible at this point. 

 

On top of that, the writers have spent a VERY long time developing both Sheldon/Amy's relationship, and Leonard/Penny's relationship. I seriously doubt that at this point, where both couples have an extraneous amount of fans shipping them both that they would twist the story in on us like that. Plus, I mean, all the character development catalyzed by these pairings would be completely in vein, and also make a lot of people upset. 

 

And consider this; TBBT is a comedy. HIMYM was more of a comedy/drama, and could get away with a deeper/more complicated plot line, which is exactly why they were able to pull off a plot twist like they did (Even though it still wasn't very good, it still didn't seem COMPLETELY out of place). If TBBT were to pull a twist like that on us by mixing up the major couples, it would be WAY, WAY too out of place because like I said, it IS a comedy, and comedy's don't normally have THAT complex of a story line. Yes, like TBBT, a lot of comedy's do have a little heart in them (a little emotion, drama, etc). However, unless they are deemed as comedy/drama, they don't normally have complicated/shocking plot twists such as that in HIMYM (unless it's done in a comical way). 

 

IMO, I don't think it'll ever happen. It just seems too out of place, and the show would lose a large chunk of viewers if they decided to do something that drastic. SOOO I wouldn't worry, I think were safe

I couldn't even cry watching it, I was just in a state of complete disbelief! I feel so bad for Tracy, I loved her, but they made her into a placeholder for Robin. Stupid, stupid writers! 80

But anyway, completely agree, we're safe guys, they just need to throw a bone every now and again to the disgruntled side of the fandom lol It's a bit annoying, but hey, it will never amount to anything. It's ok to feel a bit wobbly now and again, but Shamy are in a good place, no need to worry.

[KiwiIcedTea]

Oh Mayim, you are so wrong.....while they may not be close to it yet...it will happen. I am certain that while Shamy are very unique, Sheldon still is very much one to like to know that there is some traditions he holds still as important.   I think there will be wedding bells eventually.

 

I think that maybe when she says that, she means they won't get married in the TRADITIONAL sense

 

Idek, maybe I'm crazy :3

[Anita Rez]

I think that maybe when she says that, she means they won't get married in the TRADITIONAL sense

 

Idek, maybe I'm crazy :3

I'm sure Sheldon will want it in Klingon and that's definitely untraditional.

[Susana Alcira]

Amy WANTS to marry Sheldon (see 6 x 2 6 x 20) May be not soon, but I think it will happen at the end of season 9 or at the beginning of season 10.

[stardustmelody]

Amy WANTS to marry Sheldon (see 6 x 2 6 x 20) May be not soon, but I think it will happen at the end of season 9 or at the beginning of season 10.

Agree..I think it will be a two-parter starting finale of S9 and finishing at premiere of S10.   I also agree it won't be a traditional ceremony if Sheldon has a say, but then again, who knows?  I am sure Amy wants to be dressed as a Princess so we shall see. 

[QuirksAndAll]

I felt so bad for the HYMYM fandom when the finale aired. I never watched it for real, only a few loose eps here and there, but after knowing what the writes did, I was selfishly glad I never really cared too much about the series. Made me feel so bad for all the fans... Wished I could pass on a blanket and a cookie for everyone that was pissed off or upset on my tumblr dashboard that day :/ Hopefully they'll be able to take some joy out of the series after what seemed to be the worst ending in the story of recent series.

I can't see Shenny happening either. It would be such a huge mistake messing up the two main couples like that! Lenny and Shamy are as end game as Ross/Rachel ever was. 

*Last time I used the word "end game" to refer to something on tv was when I was obsessed with Chuck and Blair on Gossip Girl. I have the feeling the TBBT end games will be a lot kinder to my heart on the journey to get there.*

[Susana Alcira]

Agree..I think it will be a two-parter starting finale of S9 and finishing at premiere of S10.   I also agree it won't be a traditional ceremony if Sheldon has a say, but then again, who knows?  I am sure Amy wants to be dressed as a Princess so we shall see.

Of course! She WILL use her tiara! Do you remember in 5 x24 " It is not the wedding I WANT!! " I¨m quite sure, we´ll attend SHAMY wedding!!

[nopenopenope]

I felt so bad for the HYMYM fandom when the finale aired. I never watched it for real, only a few loose eps here and there, but after knowing what the writes did, I was selfishly glad I never really cared too much about the series. Made me feel so bad for all the fans... Wished I could pass on a blanket and a cookie for everyone that was pissed off or upset on my tumblr dashboard that day :/ Hopefully they'll be able to take some joy out of the series after what seemed to be the worst ending in the story of recent series.

I can't see Shenny happening either. It would be such a huge mistake messing up the two main couples like that! Lenny and Shamy are as end game as Ross/Rachel ever was. 

*Last time I used the word "end game" to refer to something on tv was when I was obsessed with Chuck and Blair on Gossip Girl. I have the feeling the TBBT end games will be a lot kinder to my heart on the journey to get there.*

Being a pretty heavy part of that HIMYM fandom I will take a virtual blanket and cookie as I have NOT recovered from it yet. UGGGHH!!! SO MUCH ANGER.

I'm (even MORE) glad TBBT exists after that pile of garbage they passed off as a series finale for HIMYM. I needed this show more than ever after that, haha. (I'm just a little dramatic maybe) 

 

BUT. I agree TBBT doesn't worry me too much, I don't see the writers doing anything like that. Basically everything I have to say has been said, they've spent so much time developing L/P and S/A... NO reason to unravel that! I think TBBT knows what their doing. Most of the time.

[rachelshamyfan]

IF they do get married, I hope they don't become as boring and pointless as howardette have become

I like what Mayim said and I'm OK with them not getting married and enjoying all the milestones that they are having

Edited April 8, 2014 by rachelshamyfan

[QuirksAndAll]

Being a pretty heavy part of that HIMYM fandom I will take a virtual blanket and cookie as I have NOT recovered from it yet. UGGGHH!!! SO MUCH ANGER.

I'm (even MORE) glad TBBT exists after that pile of garbage they passed off as a series finale for HIMYM. I needed this show more than ever after that, haha. (I'm just a little dramatic maybe) 

 

BUT. I agree TBBT doesn't worry me too much, I don't see the writers doing anything like that. Basically everything I have to say has been said, they've spent so much time developing L/P and S/A... NO reason to unravel that! I think TBBT knows what their doing. Most of the time.

*gives you a virtual cookie and a blanket*

 

I know it's hard, but we are here for you. Specially the cookie. 

[xMissyGoesHuntingForFeelsx]

*gives you a virtual cookie and a blanket*

 

I know it's hard, but we are here for you. Specially the cookie. 

Can I have a blanket and cookie too?

[MariaAlbina]

I wasn't even a HIMYM fan but I watched the finale (I had seen a few episodes and knew what it was about and who all the characters were) and all I said after it ended was 'well, shit. I'm not even a fan and I'm angry."

 

I read an article about BBT saying they can't do emotional/dramatic plots because they're so much of a comedy only. I definitely agree with that. Especially how Proton still sounds really funny despite his death.

 

Also, Shamy better get married. Amy has mentioned it twice in S6 and I want to see her tiara on. I honestly thought 'they're gonna get married and she's gonna wear that' the first time I saw The Shiny Trinket Maneuver. I honestly thought they did that so she could also wear it on her wedding day. If Amy didn't want to get married, fine. Don't marry them. But Amy wants it and I would be so disheartened if she didn't get proposed to during the show run.

Edited April 8, 2014 by MariaAlbina

[phantagrae]

Yup. It sucks. I really don't know what the frick frack is going on in the writers room with this whole issue.

He said, "well they've known each other for a long time, they have a connection, and Penny's grown up around horses so she knows how to approach him without making him skittish" something along those lines. And then they follow by saying it took Leonard a long time for Sheldon to be comfortable too but only cause he probably did something horrible in a past life. That all basically implies that Penny got to that level with Sheldon before Leonard did. And that's bs.

See, this doesn't bother me at all. There is truth in what he says--Sheldon and Penny have known each other a long time and have developed a connection, and then that statement is somewhat punctured by the line about growing up around horses. It's kind of like the thing his mother said about spooking him.

As I recall from your report, you said that when Amy asks him what he did (about how he ended up being close to Sheldon or whatever) he said probably something horrible in a past life, implying that his relationship with Sheldon is a cosmic punishment.

I cant tell without knowing the real actual dialog, but it doesn't seem to me to be implying that Penny had some kind of instant connection to Sheldon. It does seem to me that the scene is saying that Penny has a different relationship with Sheldon than Amy has, and that's true.

And Penny has a 3-year head start on Amy in handling and dealing with Sheldon. Penny talks to him differently than the others do, and differently than Amy does, which is appropriate, since she is not--and never will be--his girlfriend.

I don't know--I still can't see this as some big contradiction or controversy. Is it really that outrageous?

[Cecilia]

I remember Amy saying she wants to get married but that doesn't mean she will continue to want it. I am just saying that cause I don't care if they get married but if Amy wants to get married then I want it too. But if she changed her mind I would. be fine with it.

[koops]

Frankly, I'm more upset (and hope she's wrong) about Amy not being an oddball amongst oddballs anymore. I thought that was more the case last season than this season, and I want to see more of her quirkness come out more. That's why I loved Amy. If I wanted weddings there's tons of other shows I could watch, if I want oddballs, there isn't that many.

Having said that, Mayim isn't as good a Shamy analyst as Jim. I get the feeling she does her job and is happy with almost anything they give her whereas Jim ponders on things a lot more and I generally find him more insightful. So whatever, I'm going to continue hoping we will see more quirky Amy in the future.

[rachelshamyfan]

I think Mayim is more reluctant to speak about the shamy because she's had a lot of hate in the past when she has, maybe that will change

[koops]

I agree Rach. I also think that Mayim is very humble about this job, and sees it as a blessing and a stroke of luck, so she is happy with anything because she's grateful to be part of it to start with. When we all know she could afford to be a bit cocky by now

Jim is a lot more opinionated about it, always has been. Which is why his interviews about it are generally more interesting.

[rachelshamyfan]

Jim is the captain of the shamy ship!

[saruluvsshamy]

Agree..I think it will be a two-parter starting finale of S9 and finishing at premiere of S10.   I also agree it won't be a traditional ceremony if Sheldon has a say, but then again, who knows?  I am sure Amy wants to be dressed as a Princess so we shall see. 

awww.. i can totally imagine it

[Catlina]

I actually agree with Phanta here (see her two previous posts). I'm just going to wait how the scene plays out and rest my case after it. I'll think it may be only Leonard's incomplete perception of things, that Sheldon and Penny have some kind of friendly, sibling kind of connection. What I remember from the taping report, and what Totabcn said it wasn't clear what kind of connection he was refferring to? I don't think it was referring to that they have some serious relationship going on there. It wasn't even Sheldon's or Penny's perception or opinion of their relationship either, just Leonard's. Whatever he meant with that, I don't think it was anything serious. I guess it is just a throw-away line and I'm going to let it pass. And I agree he should have chosen his words more carefully when Amy was mentioning her jealousy over Penny.  I'll have to think what exactly she did mean with that jealousy thing, but I really do wonder if it was her deep concern or was it just some thought that has crossed her mind sometimes, but nothing that she is deeply worried about.

To quote Totabcn taping report:

 

Amy then confesses that once in a while she feels jealous of Sheldon and penny's relationship. Leonard says, "really? How come" Amy clarifies that not in a romantic way that she's glad they're friends she just wishes he'd be more comfortable (btw that's the word she used not open up like I said on the chat --sorry) already with her.

 

 I think Amy's emphasis is on the latter one - she wishes that Sheldon would be more comfortable around her by this time, like to her perception is that Sheldon is comfortable around Penny. It is again her perception only, not the absolute truth of their relationship. The point is, she just wishes Sheldon would be more comfortable around her, like he seems to be with around someone else, like Penny in this case. How? What exactly is she referring to? I'm not sure. What is it that Sheldon is comfortable around Penny, but not with her? I really don't think there is evidence to support her statement, so I'm going to think unless otherwise proven, it was to show she might feel insecure about and around Sheldon someway. It may be some new feeling of insecurity she is feeling now when things are getting more seriously with recent development of their relationship towards more intimate and physical one - I'm not sure where it is coming from, perhaps some shadow from her past. I'm going to see her line of jealousy in that light. Maybe she is afraid of, that finally when she is about to get something she deeply wishes with her boyfriend (like this newfound kissing, closer intimacy, physicality etc), there is going to be some devastation and rob that all from her. I don't mean she sees Penny as some sort of threat to their relationship, but I think the point was to show she feels insecure. Remember her stories from her past - like the relatives who's wedding she should have been a maid of honour, but then they all died. That must have been really traumatic experience. She was also rejected and outcast deeply like she has depicted before - in every school she went, she was left outside, withouth friends bringing security to her and to her relationships.  That is her most insecure spot, and I don't think she has gotten over it yet and healed from it completely. I think while the relationship with Sheldon is healing her as well it is healing Sheldon (nevertheless how incomplete their relationship is, it is bringing healing to them finally), but during the process it is normal to feel the scars of the past aching at some point. I'm going to reflect her line to this, maybe it is off or headcanoning, but helps me to understand why she might have said something like that.

It might look from her point of view that Sheldon is more comfortable around Penny but that is not just true, or maybe it could be only partly true within the frame of friendship because they have known each other longer time, I don't know. Her comment came right after the psychic revelation and it connects to it - maybe Amy just wishes it would be easier to get Sheldon do things with her she enjoys to do. It has seemed a hard task to do, since how stubborn in his ways he is and is not easily engaging activity he really doesn't mind doing.

 

Don't get me wrong, I agree many of your posts and points, but I'm not going to take this too seriously yet before seeing more evidence writer's would really have something up to Shenny, which I don't think they are. That line had no indication to set up Shenny future. Maybe I'm going to ignore it as inconsistency and random throw away line and not so thoughtful writing or reflect it coming from Amy's background insecurities at this point. I think they weren't just thinking enough this through when writing this scene, they wre writing this because of laughs at expence of continuity. I just so pray and hope Bill gets back writing Shamy and Amy more at this point.

Edited April 8, 2014 by Catlina

[Bella Duveen]

I agree with Catlina-we can see that Amy has no reason to be jealous, but when we really love someone, rational thought doesn't always come into it. She has also had the rug pulled out from under her recently with all this kissing, and while I'm sure she loves it, it's also a sign of things getting very real very fast, compared to what she's been used to. That could stir up insecurities that are usually left buried-after all her big talk, will she be able to do what she's promised? We know she can, and wants to and will, but she may have a couple more steps to get there than she thought. They will get there, and it will be unforgettable when they do.

[ATOB]

Sheldon is comfortable with Penny for two major reasons.

Firstly, he doesn't view her in a competitive way. Leonard and Amy are successful with high IQs (Amy's possibly higher than Sheldon's) and they are his 'rivals'; for tenure, for a nobel prize, for success and recognition. He classes Penny's ambitions as worthless and her interests are meaningless to him, she is, to quote "a good-natured simpleton".

Secondly, he is comfortable with Penny because she weighs no expectations on him. He interprets Amy's actions as wanting to move him into a physical relationship (which he is gradually becoming more comfortable with and even yielding to). Penny puts no such pressure on him so he can be more relaxed. There's a major difference between interactions with someone you are tentatively negotiating a sexual relationship with and one with whom there's no possibility. He has never needed to tread carefully with Penny.

[koops]

I don't think, and correct me if I'm wrong, that anyone is saying that Sheldon isn't comfortable with Penny. I totally agree that there's a lot less anxiety and expectations with a friend than someone you're navigating a romantic relationship with, particularly in its earliest stages. And Shamy, for all intents and purposes, are very much in the early stages of romance, despite the fact that they've known each other for 4 years. I mean, just look at how they had discussed sharing a room in S4, when they were just friends, compared to how big a deal it is to them now. Or the fact that Sheldon had no issue taking in a stranger as a new roommate in 6x15 but realized the implications of living with his girlfriend as representing a level of intimacy they weren't ready for. Or the fact that he has no issue kicking Penny out of her bed and let her sleep on the couch, or sleeping naked with his friends, but won't do the same with Amy. Despite his apparent "cluelessness", Sheldon isn't as clueless as he seems.

 

I think what I find off about the whole scene is Leonard's response. It would have been a lot more appropriate to say to Amy something like what you said, Thing, than what he did say, which made it sound like Amy has a right to be jealous because Sheldon and Penny have a connection neither she nor Leonard can compare to. Because, indeed, if Sheldon IS in any way more comfortable with Penny (and that's also debatable, depending on what aspects we are referring to), that is precisely because his relationship with Amy is a lot more delicate and special, and one that nobody ever expected him to have with another human being. 

 

I don't know, like I said. I can understand Amy's insecurity, albeit thinking it's ill-timed, but Leonard's response is all sorts of downers. 

Edited April 8, 2014 by koops