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Maybe its just me, but honestly I didn't find the ass hitting funny, naughty, cute or anything else.. although drunk Sheldon is fun to see and I am hoping that when the scene plays out on screen, it won't look as annoying as it sounds when read!

I will wait for the episode to air :)

I did like the beginning of the episode where Amy set him straight with his whining about not going.

All in all the episode does sound fun.. 

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I agree that it isn't cute (at least on paper, might be different actually seeing it with expressions and all), but I think if Sheldon keeps acting like this in episodes after this one, at one point she will flip out on him, like she did in the Spoiler episode, when he told her that they couldnt live together.

I agree. Amy knows how to stand her ground when she needs too and if something Sheldon does bothers her, she let's him know it. Like she did with his slavery remarks. What did she do to get him to stop? She gave him a push from behind. She is a strong woman who knows how to put her man in his place when the time is right. An ass slap doesn't always have to be an inappropriate, sexist thing.

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I agree. Amy knows how to stand her ground when she needs too and if something Sheldon does bothers her, she let's him know it. Like she did with his slavery remarks. What did she do to get him to stop? She gave him a push from behind. She is a strong woman who knows how to put her man in his place when the time is right. An ass slap doesn't always have to be an inappropriate, sexist thing.

 

 

AMY- Alright, mister! That’s completely uncalled for! I think you owe Howard and Bernadette an apology.

SHELDON- Perhaps I do.

Sheldon stands up unsteadily.

SHELDON- I’m sorry for my behavior. I’m under the influence of alcohol and I’ve been behaving inappropriately.

AMY- Thank you.

HOWARDETTE- That’s OK.

Sheldon grins at Amy and she gives him an approving smile. He gestures to her and smiles at Bernadette and Howard.

SHELDON- Ain’t she great? (to Amy) Now how’s about you get us a couple of beers, little lady?

Then, still grinning at Amy, he winds up, leans back enough that he’s only standing on one leg, and smacks her on the ass hard enough to make her jump forward. She continues on towards the kitchen, first with a look of shock, then a “Did that just happen?” smile. She looks back and smiles at Sheldon one more time before going through the door. He smiles back at her. The others don’t seem to know what to think. Once Amy is out of sight Sheldon clutches his wrist and grimaces.

SHELDON- Gee, that smarts!

 

 

I agree that it might seem like a very dismissive response on Amy's part to some people, (when read on paper), but I think her response of just continuing to the kitchen and smiling after the ass-hitting was more of amusement and shock. It's like this: Amy has never seen Sheldon drunk [that we know of] before, and seeing him completely out of character caught her by surprise. Quoting MJ, an ass-slap is not necessarily a sexist thing. Guys do it to girls and Girls do it to guys.

It's just a flirting thing guys, chill~! Besides, the Shamy is known for doing things they think are sweet that other people wouldn't understand at all, so while some people think it's inappropriate, it means something else for them in a different level.

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I agree. Amy knows how to stand her ground when she needs too and if something Sheldon does bothers her, she let's him know it. Like she did with his slavery remarks. What did she do to get him to stop? She gave him a push from behind. She is a strong woman who knows how to put her man in his place when the time is right. An ass slap doesn't always have to be an inappropriate, sexist thing.

 

But the problem is that Amy has no issue standing her ground with him on any issue other than sex. This episode really shows, in a very stark fashion, that when dealing with Sheldon normally about such issue as his bad attitude, Amy can get in there and fight with him. However, when Sheldon spanks her on the ass, a gesture which can be taken sexually or flirtaciously, she folds to him like a cheap suit. This is not the first time she's done so, either, and it's a problem because it means that Sheldon has an avenue through which he COULD be manipulating her at the moment. I mean, these two are lucky that they are actually not ready for a sexual relationship yet, because this sort of thing just shows how likely, and how badly, they stand to really hurt each other.

 

An ass slap doesn't have to be a sexist, inappropriate thing, but I'm not talking about any ass slap, I'm talking about THIS ONE. First of all, ass slapping and flirtacious games are negotiated between two people who have a sexual relationship and are setting the terms of it. Exploring it, establishing what they like or don't like within the setting of their sex life - and Sheldon and Amy honestly don't have one yet. They have spoken about sex once, and when they did, Amy was very hesitant and Sheldon pointed out what an uncomfortable topic it was. I was very proud of both of them for the courage they had to make it through that discussion, and to explore a little bit afterwards, but those two don't have the established maturity or sexual relationship for THIS.

 

Besides, this was not some flirty smack on the ass, it came with the demand for another can of beer for himself and for Howard's father-in-law. "Get me and my friend here a beer, wench" with a smack on the ass, which is meant to demonstrate how Amy's body is something he has a right to touch, smack, boss around a little bit. That he is a man and he has certain rights to her body and to treat it in a certain way - which Sheldon DOES NOT at this point in time, by the way - and he is going to show off his right to tough her body how he pleases in front of his friends? Oh, and also display in front of Mike and the rest of the company that he can boss his woman around, and when he tells her to go get them a cold beer SHE WILL?

 

This is sexist stuff. This is sexism 101 stuff.

 

It's just....ugh.

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There has been a bit of off screen stuff come out recently what with hug days and such like , maybe Amy has told Sheldon that she likes the spanking and that's why he did it ( the alcohol probably played a part though)

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I really hate it. I'm not so much against Sheldon spanking Amy and telling him to fetch him a beer, because I think that clearly comes from his father. It's behavior that he's imitating because he's 1) drunk and 2) his father is very much on his mind.

 

However, what really upsets me is the way Amy takes it. She ends up smiling, taking it sexually (and I'm really not convinced it was meant that way), and submissively going to get him a beer. I find Sheldon's display to be outrageously sexist, and I'm shocked and saddened by Amy's response to it being a submissive one. It's like she's so horny and so needy that any little thing she can get, even a hard smack on the ass, and she'll take it. And Amy is honestly too good to be Sheldon's beer server, and if you look at the situation, a smart girl with a good head on her shoulders would probably notice her boyfriend was almost too intoxicated to stand up properly, and the last thing she would give him would be another beer.

 

I don't...it's ....just bad. Also, this type of behavior is really questionable when the two of them don't actually have a sexual relationship. What it would mean for Sheldon's father to spank his wife and ask for a beer, and her response to it, is different from these two, who don't seem to really have a clue what they are doing.

 

It's not cute. I know a lot of people will probably take it as cute, but it's not.

 

Amy knew Sheldon was drunk. Amy asked him to apologize to Howard and he did. He then started grinning and she was smiling at him. Then he asked her for a beer, kept smiling and then he smacked her bottom.

 

It doesn't sound so horrible to me.

 

And I don't take it as Amy being portrayed a "poor submissive girl" at all, especially on the context of this episode, when she kept putting Sheldon on his place and when seconds before she made him apologize. So yeah, she smiled when he smacked him on the bottom and went to get him a beer when looking surprised/amused. BIG DEAL.... that doesn't make her "Sheldon's beer server" and the fact that they don't have a sexual relationship doesn't override the fact that THEY ARE on a relationship, boyfriend/girlfriend and have made clear that they are intimate despite the lack of the sexual act itself (because at this point, there already IS a sexual component, I don't think there is any denying in that after the D&D episode especially, the sexual tension is there).

 

Like I said, she knew he was drunk and acting dumb, so why should have she gotten all offended and yelled at him when she knew he wasn't being himself. She was amused, because she is smart and SHE KNOWS he wasn't being himself.

 

Those are my two cents and that's WHY I'm not offended by it on the slightest.

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We all know Amy is a little freak. Why is everyone so surprised at how she reacted?

I don't particularly like drunk Sheldon but I'll take what I can get!

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Besides, this was not some flirty smack on the ass, it came with the demand for another can of beer for himself and for Howard's father-in-law. "Get me and my friend here a beer, wench" with a smack on the ass, which is meant to demonstrate how Amy's body is something he has a right to touch, smack, boss around a little bit. That he is a man and he has certain rights to her body and to treat it in a certain way - which Sheldon DOES NOT at this point in time, by the way - and he is going to show off his right to tough her body how he pleases in front of his friends? Oh, and also display in front of Mike and the rest of the company that he can boss his woman around, and when he tells her to go get them a cold beer SHE WILL?

 

This is sexist stuff. This is sexism 101 stuff.

 

It's just....ugh.

 

I think you're taking this a too far and extrapolating too many things into Sheldon's behavior. Sorry, but you're blowing it out of proportion.

 

Sheldon is not Al Bundy, and AGAIN, he wasn't being himself as he was intoxicated. How could he be really thinking all of that makes no sense, again, on his intoxicated state, it is clear that he smacked her bottom because he wasn't really thinking.

 

And in any event none of them are perfect characters and that's what makes them lovable. Sheldon is not gonna be Prince Charming and Amy is not gonna be Simone de Beauvoir all the time.

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Love you too, Sursonica, but we'll have to agree to disagree here. Besides, we don't really know how it's going to play out until the episode airs. When people reported on Sheldon showing up at Amy's door and talking about "one person who has social problems," it was suggested that they smirked at each other and it was somehow understood in their body language that Sheldon was really talking about himself. That was not in any way, shape, or form, how that scene ended up reading to me at all. Sheldon said he meant Amy was the weird one, and I think that he meant it.

 

There's been several other cases of the taping report not lining up with what I actually saw on screen. I don't know exactly how this one is going to play out either. I guess you and I are going to have to wait to see it in person and then reconsider what we think. However, on paper, it sounds like Sheldon slipped into Texas Sheldon and pulled some pure sexist old-school crap out of his 10 galleon hat.

 

As for sexual tension - yes, it's there. However, since then we have been shown this season that Amy makes comments and they go right over Sheldon's head. Either he doesn't understand them at all (kinda unlikely) or he is ignoring them deliberately because he does not want to discuss, handle, or otherwise deal with the issue of sex at the moment. They might have had D&D sex one night, but it's now - what, 6 months later? - and things haven't really changed much, have they? Does he even kiss her, or hold her hand, or is he ridiculously giddy over the fact they hug from time to time, even if it's hot?

 

As for being amused....yeah....I'm always amused when my genius boyfriend acts like a Texas yokel? That's always just dandy....when my boyfriend is drunk and acting dumb and his behavior turns inappropriate. Always have a big chuckle over that....sure.

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I think you're taking this a too far and extrapolating too many things into Sheldon's behavior. Sorry, but you're blowing it out of proportion.

 

No, I don't think I'm blowing things out of proportion here. This IS sexism 101, and I'm not stepping down from that one because I know I'm right about that.

 

Besides, it's not Sheldon acting this way which annoys me. I think he was bonding with Mike, and I think that his father and this other type of way of behaving more like a "normal guy" was on his mind. What's the most upsetting to me is the way that Amy took it. Amy, who is sober, remember? Amy, who decides to let everyone see she doesn't mind her boyfriend publically giving her ass a firm spanking, nor does she might running off to get a beer for him when he demands one, without so much as a "please." It's her, folding to him basically because she senses in a weird way that there's something sexual and flirty about it, and she takes that and just ignores the misogyny (as a lot of others are doing) which is so utterly shocking and upsetting.

 

I don't understand why that's hard to to fathom. The show seems to say that no matter how awesome and smart a girl like Amy is, she's still a woman who likes to have her bottom spanked and fetch her man his beer. It's a god awful message, but I'm perfectly aware you don't see it. I'm sad you don't see it, and a little surprised, but I get it that you don't.

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I agree with Sursonica and Monique. Sheldon knows Amy enjoys having her ass slapped and had it stored in his mind ("You're not supposed to be enjoying this!") so it wasn't any form of abuse or anything like that, it was down-right flirting. She wasn't amused by his behaviour at first but she got him to apologize to Howard so that would've satisfied her and then he happened to slap her butt afterwards and she liked it. I don't see what the problem is. If she was that pleasantly surprised by something she probably wasn't all that bothered by his "get me another beer" line, especially when she knows it's coming out of an intoxicated person who is being more like his father than himself. She may not have even been walking off to get him another beer, she was clearly done getting him to do what she wanted him to do so she was leaving the room. She owned his ass all those other times and she's allowed to have some weaknesses, one of them happening to be Sheldon's hand making contact with her butt doesn't come across as sexist to me. It's what she likes, limiting a woman and telling her what she can and can't like seems more sexist to me.

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 However, when Sheldon spanks her on the ass, a gesture which can be taken sexually or flirtaciously, she folds to him like a cheap suit.

 

 

Just playing to the fan base from what I have read. :diablo:  :girldevil:

 

If Leonard slapped Penny on the ass he would be a dead man. Instantaneously. And so would I. Right there on the couch.

 

Now running like hell....... :bye:

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Love you too, Sursonica, but we'll have to agree to disagree here. Besides, we don't really know how it's going to play out until the episode airs. When people reported on Sheldon showing up at Amy's door and talking about "one person who has social problems," it was suggested that they smirked at each other and it was somehow understood in their body language that Sheldon was really talking about himself. That was not in any way, shape, or form, how that scene ended up reading to me at all. Sheldon said he meant Amy was the weird one, and I think that he meant it.

 

There's been several other cases of the taping report not lining up with what I actually saw on screen. I don't know exactly how this one is going to play out either. I guess you and I are going to have to wait to see it in person and then reconsider what we think. However, on paper, it sounds like Sheldon slipped into Texas Sheldon and pulled some pure sexist old-school crap out of his 10 galleon hat.

 

As for sexual tension - yes, it's there. However, since then we have been shown this season that Amy makes comments and they go right over Sheldon's head. Either he doesn't understand them at all (kinda unlikely) or he is ignoring them deliberately because he does not want to discuss, handle, or otherwise deal with the issue of sex at the moment. They might have had D&D sex one night, but it's now - what, 6 months later? - and things haven't really changed much, have they? Does he even kiss her, or hold her hand, or is he ridiculously giddy over the fact they hug from time to time, even if it's hot?

 

As for being amused....yeah....I'm always amused when my genius boyfriend acts like a Texas yokel? That's always just dandy....when my boyfriend is drunk and acting dumb and his behavior turns inappropriate. Always have a big chuckle over that....sure.

But I think Amy knows that her part of her boyfriend is a Texas yokel. I think she also suspects that the yokel part of Sheldon is going to be a significant part of their future sex life.

 

I think she is into it. Really into it.

 

Amy got him to apologize to Howard! A good apology. He knew what he'd done wrong. And Sheldon, in his beer haze, thought "my girl's great!" and showed her how great he thought she was in away that new daddy would understand her awesomeness.

 

Ass slap and beer order. Then a little smiling eye coitus, until she's out of the room.

 

Honestly, the ass slap was 100 times better for me than the pranking from the previous episode.

 

But I enjoy ass slapping with friends and my boy; and hate pranking and practical jokes. I will call anyone out on those. I don't care where I am or who the joker is. It's on.

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I think the thanksgiving's episode is very funny but the only part i didn't like was the ass slap. I love amy, she and sheldon are my favorite characters, I don't want that the writers make her character seems so desperate for sex making her to accept the slap because for me was inappropriate. Amy is so smart and unique, she needs love not that kind of things. Don't hate me, i love my shamy but i'm just being honest.

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I think the thanksgiving's episode is very funny but the only part i didn't like was the ass slap. I love amy, she and sheldon are my favorite characters, I don't want that the writers make her character seems so desperate for sex making her to accept the slap because for me was inappropriate. Amy is so smart and unique, she needs love not that kind of things. Don't hate me, i love my shamy but i'm just being honest.

 

I think there's a bit of confusion between just "accepting" something because Sheldon is a man and Amy should just let him do what he wants and her actually liking it. Sure whatever happened may be in some sexism rule book but feminism shouldn't be about other people deciding what women should want, it should be about individual women deciding what they want for themselves and setting their own rules and guidelines. If Sheldon were treating her that way against her will then I would be willing to agree that it was sexist. This episode proved that Amy can draw the line where she wants to and put him in his place when she wants to. She's still just as smart and unique as she was when we met her, she got exactly what she wanted out of Sheldon ;)

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But the problem is that Amy has no issue standing her ground with him on any issue other than sex. This episode really shows, in a very stark fashion, that when dealing with Sheldon normally about such issue as his bad attitude, Amy can get in there and fight with him. However, when Sheldon spanks her on the ass, a gesture which can be taken sexually or flirtaciously, she folds to him like a cheap suit. This is not the first time she's done so, either, and it's a problem because it means that Sheldon has an avenue through which he COULD be manipulating her at the moment. I mean, these two are lucky that they are actually not ready for a sexual relationship yet, because this sort of thing just shows how likely, and how badly, they stand to really hurt each other.

An ass slap doesn't have to be a sexist, inappropriate thing, but I'm not talking about any ass slap, I'm talking about THIS ONE. First of all, ass slapping and flirtacious games are negotiated between two people who have a sexual relationship and are setting the terms of it. Exploring it, establishing what they like or don't like within the setting of their sex life - and Sheldon and Amy honestly don't have one yet. They have spoken about sex once, and when they did, Amy was very hesitant and Sheldon pointed out what an uncomfortable topic it was. I was very proud of both of them for the courage they had to make it through that discussion, and to explore a little bit afterwards, but those two don't have the established maturity or sexual relationship for THIS.

Besides, this was not some flirty smack on the ass, it came with the demand for another can of beer for himself and for Howard's father-in-law. "Get me and my friend here a beer, wench" with a smack on the ass, which is meant to demonstrate how Amy's body is something he has a right to touch, smack, boss around a little bit. That he is a man and he has certain rights to her body and to treat it in a certain way - which Sheldon DOES NOT at this point in time, by the way - and he is going to show off his right to tough her body how he pleases in front of his friends? Oh, and also display in front of Mike and the rest of the company that he can boss his woman around, and when he tells her to go get them a cold beer SHE WILL?

This is sexist stuff. This is sexism 101 stuff.

It's just....ugh.

I guess it just depends on how one looks at it. I didn't see it that way at all because of what Sheldon said about Amy to Mike before he did it. Don't ask me to remember the exact words right now (LOL) but it definitely proved he was happy and proud to be with her.

Amy knew he meant nothing bad by it. That's exactly why she smiled and walked into the kitchen.

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As a native Texan, I may be able to weigh in here.

It's not uncommon around here to see a man slap a woman on the ass. I've seen my grandpa do it to my grandma, I've seen my grandpa do it to my mom. It's not necessarily between two romantic partners. And every time I've seen it happen, it was always with a playful nature and the woman never responded in an insulted or appalled way.

What I've always interpreted from it is that a man is comfortable enough and humorous with a woman in his life, and the woman is comfortable enough to accept it. It's really just the culture here in Texas. Other people might think it is innappropriate or even creepy, but to us, it's not. If Sheldon were some random guy or if they didn't know each other very well, then yeah, it would be innapropriate. But they've known each other for three years, and they know each other very well. Amy knew he wasn't being sexist with her. And just because Amy enjoyed him doing it doesn't mean she's horny or desperate. She was just amused. It's funny.

Now, this doesnt really happen anymore, but twenty years ago? When Sheldon was a kid? Definitely, especially when the man is drunk. Believe me when I say it doesn't have a sexist or even derogatory connorstion.

Also - maybe I read it wrong, but it never says that Amy actually goes and gets him the beer. From the way I read it, she was walking away wheb he popped her and then she smiled and that was the wnd of the scene.

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Love you too, Sursonica, but we'll have to agree to disagree here. Besides, we don't really know how it's going to play out until the episode airs. When people reported on Sheldon showing up at Amy's door and talking about "one person who has social problems," it was suggested that they smirked at each other and it was somehow understood in their body language that Sheldon was really talking about himself. That was not in any way, shape, or form, how that scene ended up reading to me at all. Sheldon said he meant Amy was the weird one, and I think that he meant it.

There's been several other cases of the taping report not lining up with what I actually saw on screen. I don't know exactly how this one is going to play out either. I guess you and I are going to have to wait to see it in person and then reconsider what we think. However, on paper, it sounds like Sheldon slipped into Texas Sheldon and pulled some pure sexist old-school crap out of his 10 galleon hat.

As for sexual tension - yes, it's there. However, since then we have been shown this season that Amy makes comments and they go right over Sheldon's head. Either he doesn't understand them at all (kinda unlikely) or he is ignoring them deliberately because he does not want to discuss, handle, or otherwise deal with the issue of sex at the moment. They might have had D&D sex one night, but it's now - what, 6 months later? - and things haven't really changed much, have they? Does he even kiss her, or hold her hand, or is he ridiculously giddy over the fact they hug from time to time, even if it's hot?

As for being amused....yeah....I'm always amused when my genius boyfriend acts like a Texas yokel? That's always just dandy....when my boyfriend is drunk and acting dumb and his behavior turns inappropriate. Always have a big chuckle over that....sure.

Are you speaking of my taping report? I assume you're not because that's totally not what I wrote (implied). LOL...about the body language. Edited by MJistheBOMB

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I'll reserve full judgement for when I see it, but it definitely doesn't sit right with me.

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i agree with Maddie, in that a smack on the ass can have several different connotations, depending on the relationship of the 2 people involved.

 

I remember a Star Trek episode where they had rescued this kid that had grown up alone on some alien planet and hadn't been properly socialized (he was human, but "raised by aliens" who were invisible, I think and had some kind of telekinetic powers or something?)  As he was living among the crew, learning from them about what was or was not appropriate, he saw some flirty couple talking and as the woman was walking away, the guy gave her a smack on the butt--and she kind of giggled at him.

So, this kid (Charlie X) had a crush on Yeoman Rand and at some point, after talking with her, as she was walking away, he smacked her butt.  Which, of course, she objected to, because they didn't have a proper relationship.

 

And of course, we know that a smack on the butt between a boss and his secretary, or male/female co-workers, or a customer and a waitress are all inappropriate.  But between girlfriend/boyfriend?  Even if they don't have a sexual relationship (yet), nor a spanking kink, a smack on the butt can be a sort of sexy flirtation.

 

Sheldon's not beating her into submission, but touching her body in a way that is somewhat sexual, given their gf/bf relationship.  It's sexual without being sexual.

 

I mentioned this on the other forum--was Jim being sexist when he smacked Mayim on the butt during that taping in S5?  Was he being inapporpriate?  Or was it a type of flirtation?

 

And if Amy likes it--whether she likes the sexuality of it, likes Sheldon treating her like his "little woman", or whatever, isn't that her personal issue?  Is it about feminism or about relationship or about the fact that he touched her butt in front of everyone?

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And if Amy likes it--whether she likes the sexuality of it, likes Sheldon treating her like his "little woman", or whatever, isn't that her personal issue?  Is it about feminism or about relationship or about the fact that he touched her butt in front of everyone?

 

It's her personal issue, of course. However, if that's the type of woman that Amy becomes, I reserve the right to have zero respect for her, and switch over to the Shenny shipping team. That's how offensive I find it. It's a rotten portrayal of women, as far as I am concerned, and it is a feminist issue. I don't care if he touches her butt. I care about the context and manner in which he did this particular ass slapping, and in particular, I'm gobsmacked by Amy's particular reaction to it. Although I shouldn't be, perhaps, by how she took to the spanking.

 

The only "good" spot here is that I don't really think it's going to change anything, just like the Fish Guts spanking did. The controversary over that and over this is pretty much identical. Some people really have no issue with that at all, some people find it rather degrading to Amy's character. In particular, it seems to suggest that Amy is so desperate that she'll take anything with a sexual overtone to it. She won't be picky about it - whatever will happen, whether it's a spanking or a bath or anything else, that has Sheldon touching her is good with her.

 

That's not really something I respect, nor do I have to. If isn't real life people and their real life kinks - it's a character being shown up on screen, how she is being written and how she's being portrayed. If I feel that her portrayal isn't realistically feminine, and keeps falling into the hands of a team of Old Boy's Club, misogynistic writing, that's my call. 

 

In the end, I'm interested in how many people - even if they are defending the whole "get us a beer, little lady!" complete with hard smack to the ass - still say that they read the taping report and were flummoxed, and didn't know what to think. A lot of people are reserving judgement, but I'm not sure if anyone is really being all, "Yeah! Ass slapping and telling your woman to bring you a beer is love, bitch! Go fetch your man a beer and let him smack your pert derriere and maybe you'd stop being such an uptight mango, and understand the awesome, totally not offensive humor in this scene!"

 

Which is good, because if someone said that to me I would have to kill them.

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