Susana Alcira Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 In S7x04 Beverly Hofstadter told his son (Leonard) that she was spanking her naked husband with Leonard´s new paddle, while he was watching them. LEONARD WAS SIX! Is not it worst?!?! TBBT IS NOT REAL!!!!! IT´S A SITCOM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koops Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Marina! You're never going to reply to me but here it goes. I do agree the show is occasionally sexist, but I also don't think that the only thing it does for women in it is to have Bernadette make more money than Howard. I think the ratio of sexism to powerful, strong traits women is pretty low. Every single female character on the show, be it a main character or a recurring guest like Mary, Beverly, Leslie etc, have been very smart, very accomplished and no-nonsense women. While I don't condone the occasional sexist joke, I also don't think it's fair to the show to say that they write their women like pieces of meat, because they don't. And there are several female writers on the show now too, Maria Ferrari was the one who came up with the whole Fish Guts scenario, btw. I don't think it's an issue of just the male writers being chauvinist pigs. I agree that the scene isn't one to frame for the ages. And I don't think anyone said Sheldon isn't responsible for his actions as much as, in my view, he doesn't know what he's doing is sexist. He just does what he has seen his dad do. And I think it's very telling that he said he died when he was 14. This guy has had essentially no role model during his formative years and when he was very young the only exposure to a man he had was his redneck father. That's why I'm cutting him some slack. Because it has been shown that when he is actually thinking with his own, sober, head (e.g. 6x18) he is not sexist at all. And I don't think Amy is all that mature when it comes to relationships either, since she has never been in one. She's hit and miss. I think we have to wait and see how it comes across on screen, to be honest, I have read the scene 15 different ways depending on what, when and how these smiles are exchanged. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I am more annoyed at the writers for using the excuse of "Sheldon doesn't mean it" to pull a sexist joke than with the characters themselves, if you know what I mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queenfisher Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Hey guys, this forum has gone for a turn for the worst. Everyone has a different opinion and no one can force other people to think differently. We've reached an impasse, but this doesn't mean "I'm leaving this hell hole" or "I move our relationship terminated immediately." I propose that we just respect each others opinions, move on from this topic and continue to enjoy the show. Do you guys really want to continue the negativity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJistheBOMB Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 So, I'm new here but i've been lurking around for a while with my friend before deciding just to create a account since I lurk so much haha. I guess I picked hell of a time to join lol. But on everything that's going on, I know my opinion may offend some people or not be taken seriously because I'm a newbie here haha but I just wanted to say that in terms of Sheldon & Amy's scene from the taping report I didn't find anything really offensive about it but I was aware that the 'ass slap' would offend some people. Even the term itself sounds derogatory without context or tone or facial expressions to go off. I do understand the concern with Amy and feminism but It may be a bit much to accuse people or the writers or being sexist, ignorant, etc. after all comedy brings very serious topics into play and mocks them and tries to make it humor by juxtaposing the situation and much of the time people pass it off as humorous because the thinking is it's comedy and it's suppose to be funny therefore it shouldn't be taken seriously. While I believe this to an extent I also believe that there is such a thing of taking something to far. As a Native American there are times when I see things native related being portrayed in a light that I have mixed feelings about. Some of it is very stereotypical but i try not to get mad because I know not everyone is educated on the cultures of natives and what people do know is what people see on tv and that more often isn't a very good source of info because most of the time the p.o.v is from the outsider's perspective, whether a tv host, activist, hero like in Dances with Wolves but I don't make it a point to start a riot over it. I gently point out to people that this may not be a very good interpretation and it can be seen as offensive. And my culture is a matriarch where the women is in charge and is the way of inheritance and I believe I have feminist ideals but I don't consider myself feminist. But Amy's behavior may just mostly be to shock and not really considered anti-feminist but I do see how one could see as that. I myself wouldn't know how to reach to that situation if it happened to me having never been in a relationship and find intimacy like that a bit daunting. But that may just be due to me being shy. But my concern is bashing of her character for possibility enjoying and being 'submissive'. I've known several people who are very strong figures in their public life and work life but in the privacy of the bedrooms unwind so that the tension of being in control can wear away and let their partners worry about what goes in the bedroom or their home. But even my mom or grandmother who is very traditional in our culture would see that and laugh because god knows how many times my grandfather did that to my grandmother, the ass slap and the 'sexist' comments. But we knew he was never serious because he was traditional too and his playful eyes gave him away too so I suppose we all have to wait until we see the episode to gauge how serious and how playful it is. So, what I guess I'm trying to say is that it's not necessarily a good argument for all to start accusing each other that one's opinion is more right than another's simply because of perhaps a lack of understanding of a culture, ideal, or even character of a person or misconception, etc.We're all people in this world, and our job is to teach each other and keep learning how to survive in this world. Mistakes are bound to happen, some more serious than others. But for me personally, I'm 50-50 on the subject because of the varying factors at work. THis more than I wanted to say originally haha. But aside from that, I'm happy that I decide on joining the forum! haha, i look forward to more discussion Sorry I didn't see this sooner. Welcome to the forum Nothing offensive about your post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shc1212 Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 lets just focus on Shamy trucking along We all want the same thing.. shamy!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queenfisher Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 (edited) I present this forum a gif of cats as a token of peace. Edited November 8, 2013 by Queenfisher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susana Alcira Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 I am in this fórum because I love TBBT and SHAMY! For me it is a funny thing to discuss the episodes as a SITCOM, I realize they are ONLY characters, and as much we love them, they are not real. LET´S ENJOY THE BEST SHOW IN YEARS! They are what the writers want, and remember: THE WRITERS ARE MEN AND WOMEN, LIKE US ARE!!! PLSE, enjoy TBBT as I do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest I'm not dead Cheryl Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Just poppin in to say the following. As much as I love Lio and we disagree, I still respect her opinion. And I really hope she and Marina, and everyone who doesn't agree with me respects MY opinion as well on the manner. The fact that I don't find it offensive doesn't make me less of a feminist than anyone and it doesn't make me a bad person like some posts seem to imply. "Not respecting (insert poster name) anymore because she doesn't agree with my idea of feminism" is really the biggest contradiction that can happen in such a place. Really, it is the fact that for my opinions some people think I shouldn't be respected is what I find offensive more than anything. Maybe it is because I take the characters for what they are, characters with flaws and virtues and not role models that I feel this way. I hated how Amy was treated throughout most of S6 but really I cannot complain about S7 so far, this episode included but that is me, and again, my opinion and my views are to be respected the same way I respect everyone else's. Again, neither Sheldon is Prince Charming neither Amy can be Simone de Beauvoir all the time, and that's fine, because, again, they are characters not role models written to our absolute liking. And to the risk of repeating myself, it is my view on the matter. As well as I didn't see Amy in a submissive way in this episode, on the contrary she was the one calling Sheldon on his crap the whole episode. Maybe upon seeing the episode my opinion will change, but that's how I see it now. And I really hope that future discussions can happen civilly without calling anyone names or "retiring respect" because of different opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shc1212 Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Did anyone else watch tonight's episode? I loved the blue outfit of Amy.. the shirt and the sweater.. yes still loose, but much better color combinations! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJistheBOMB Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Just poppin in to say the following. As much as I love Lio and we disagree, I still respect her opinion. And I really hope she and Marina, and everyone who doesn't agree with me respects MY opinion as well on the manner. The fact that I don't find it offensive doesn't make me less of a feminist than anyone and it doesn't make me a bad person like some posts seem to imply. "Not respecting (insert poster name) anymore because she doesn't agree with my idea of feminism" is really the biggest contradiction that can happen in such a place. Really, it is the fact that for my opinions some people think I shouldn't be respected is what I find offensive more than anything. Maybe it is because I take the characters for what they are, characters with flaws and virtues and not role models that I feel this way. I hated how Amy was treated throughout most of S6 but really I cannot complain about S7 so far, this episode included but that is me, and again, my opinion and my views are to be respected the same way I respect everyone else's. Again, neither Sheldon is Prince Charming neither Amy can be Simone de Beauvoir all the time, and that's fine, because, again, they are characters not role models written to our absolute liking. And to the risk of repeating myself, it is my view on the matter. As well as I didn't see Amy in a submissive way in this episode, on the contrary she was the one calling Sheldon on his crap the whole episode. Maybe upon seeing the episode my opinion will change, but that's how I see it now. And I really hope that future discussions can happen civilly without calling anyone names or "retiring respect" because of different opinions. Thank you for saying what I didn't know how to. Did anyone else watch tonight's episode? I loved the blue outfit of Amy.. the shirt and the sweater.. yes still loose, but much better color combinations! Good Lord, with all this drama in here I forgot a new one airs tonight! I'm in California....haven't seen it yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savvyhat Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 (edited) I liked how.Sheldon seemed so eager and happy to introduce Amy as his gf to Arthur. And how Amy can get Sheldon to apologize without even telling him to. He loves his gal. Edited November 8, 2013 by savvyhat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionne Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 (edited) Marina - Thanks for coming out of the woodwork to back me up. I know that was hard for you, and I truly appreciate your support. Also, thanks for saying it better than I did. For the rest, I really have nothing left to say. I've made my point and stated my opinions, now it's time to simply let them stand. I appreciate those of you who completely disagree with me but have tried to listen to my opinion even while I've been arguing against you. Edited November 8, 2013 by Lionne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJistheBOMB Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Great episode tonight! So many funny moments. I laughed from beginning to end. Leonard was soooooo sweet the way he talked about his friendship with Sheldon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stardustmelody Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 (edited) Welcome LeaGold! I do have a question for Marina and Lio. While I appreciate and agree with your opinions overall in life and even in the direction the writers continually take, I do have a question for you. We all know that in between takes during 5.23 (The Launch Acceleration) that Jim smacked Mayim's butt and they both laughed along with audience. Did you find that just as offensive? They were clearly having fun and while it shocked her initially she laughed and thought it was hilarious. She was not offended in the slightest and Mayim herself calls herself a feminist and we all know is extremely accomplished. I am just curious what made this scene so different than that one other (assuming you felt that was okay and done all in fun) than him adding the line before it to request she get him a beer? Is it because he requested the beer before the action or the action itself or what? Or were you also just as offended by Jim's actions in real life? I am not trying to challenge your opinions or even disagree with them, but was more curious about the real life scene in season 5 versus the filmed scene in this episode. Edited November 8, 2013 by stardustmelody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiany Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Just watched the new episode, liked it a lot. So many sweet Shamy moments: * Sheldon introducing Amy as his GF * Sheldon chasing her around the apartment * Sheldon showing Amy his big three social skills * Amy's comment that Raj & Howard will have sex before she and Sheldon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stardustmelody Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Just watched the new episode, liked it a lot. So many sweet Shamy moments: * Sheldon introducing Amy as his GF * Sheldon chasing her around the apartment * Sheldon showing Amy his big three social skills * Amy's comment that Raj & Howard will have sex before she and Sheldon Agree on all of these! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachelshamyfan Posted November 8, 2013 Author Share Posted November 8, 2013 (edited) Not seen all of it yet but the scene with shamy in the living room and Sheldon chasing her out I found quite funny Edited November 8, 2013 by rachelshamyfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamynatress Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Great episode tonight! So many funny moments. I laughed from beginning to end. Leonard was soooooo sweet the way he talked about his friendship with Sheldon. C'mon bloody Itunes.... get that Episode out so I can watch it!!!!! ganggnaggnag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATOB Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Well the last few pages made for some interesting reading! Firstly, I'll state my position as a feminist; that is in the true sense of the word (the belief in political, social and economic equality between the sexes) and not the man-hating derogatory stereotype that sticks to this word (sometimes it's easier to use the term Equalist when talking about gender equality in my experience as the F word has so many negative overtones, which is truly tragic). There's no right or wrong, just subjectivity. If something makes you laugh, it's funny. It's offensive if it offends you. People view the world through their own lens. The humour here, for me, is in Sheldon's cluelessness and inappropriate social behaviour. We were laughing at him, not with him. Personally, I don't have a problem with Amy's need to be desired sexually; don't we all have that need? Whether or not Sheldon is sexist is as grey a matter as third-wave feminism itself. If Sheldon is anything, he's a 'Sheldonist'; the belief that no-one's his equal on account that no-one else is him:- "I have no peers!" The premise of the show is the discrepancy between the character's social intelligence and their high IQs. I don't see this joke as deviating from it IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koops Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Alright guys, I'm going to love you and leave you and go back to my self-imposed forum ban. I just wanted to end my brief return by saying that I'm really happy with where Shamy are at right now, and I hope it's a sign of good things to come. I'm not sure whether I'll spoil myself next week or not, but, in case I don't, I just want to say that regardless of whether there's a SIK or not, I think it would be a shame to forget how far they have come to have the level of closeness, openness and connection they seem to have right now just because we don't yet get to see their increased physical intimacy on screen. I know we would all like that and that I don't understand why the writers aren't using these sweeps to at least show them hug/cuddle/hold hands, but I do think there has been a lot of progress, both seen and hinted at, since 6x23. While 6x23 felt like a band-aid at best to me last season, I think a SIK now, or whenever it happens, won't feel like a band-aid at all but really like a culmination of a lot of growth. Assuming they keep it up. And maybe cut down on the Amy-is-waiting-on-Sheldon jokes a little Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollyAndOatmeal Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 What a great episode! I loved Sheldon and Bill Nye's phone pic. Sheldon's smile is just too adorable! P.S. Pearlgrl I love you avatar!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiany Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 (edited) a bit offtopic, but I found this picture while googling: No idea where it was taken, but Jims Afro made me smile. Edited November 8, 2013 by Chiany Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denajeanx Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 (edited) My favorite Shamy moment from last night was when she made him tea. Just for him (and she didn't have any) Edited November 8, 2013 by denajeanx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollyAndOatmeal Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 My favoruite scene with Sheldon was when he demonstrated that he had mastered the "Big 3" social skills. There's the coy smile (ADORABLE!) and Amy's reaction to it, the friendly chuckle (cracks me up every time), and the vocalization of sympathy, "Awwwwww" that was so robotic and hilarious. My favourite line by Amy was in Penny's apartment "They're gonna have sex before Sheldon and I do. I KNEW IT!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shc1212 Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 I don't know if its the writers timing or Mayim's delivery, but the line about they will have sex before Sheldon and I was so funny.. and honestly, when I read the taping report, I thought "not again"!! But it really didn't sound annoying or desperate ..it just was to laugh for!!! This is why there is no point getting agitated over taping reports! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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