Spoilers The Shamy - Season 7 Spoilers Only Discussion Thread

[denajeanx]

I agree. The writers are definitely setting something up. I don't know that it will be sex because that seems to be a big leap and too risky. But, I think something big will happen for Shamy this season. Fingers crossed!

[Chiany]

I agree. The writers are definitely setting something up. I don't know that it will be sex because that seems to be a big leap and too risky. But, I think something big will happen for Shamy this season. Fingers crossed!

Yeah, signs for something big (for them anyway) coming are here.

Actual sex is way to big and fast for this season, I can't see that happening before season 9 ( assuming there will be a season 9).

Edited November 9, 2013 by Chiany

[koops]

The entire Itchy episode is a setup for Sheldon's final line about waiting eternity for satisfaction.  So when the writers spend a whole episode setting up for a Shamy no sex punchline, it kind of makes you hopeful that something is coming.  But, Season 7 may just be a season of no sex punchlines............15 more episodes to go

 

Either that, or they're putting that line in there as a punchline about us waiting an eternity with no hope of satisfaction. I feel like the whole audience is very much Amy right now and the writers are Mary-Sueing themselves into Sheldon: we wait, frustrated, they won't give, not even an inch, ever. 

[Catlina]

I'm not a fan of the ass smack that has been debated, I'm okay with it, but I think I won't consider it especially sweet either. More likely it will be "naughty", although I too think like Koops said that the intent behind it was Sheldon being fliratitous to his girlfriend. We never get to know how the spanking ended in 6x10. How long did he spank her? Did they cuddle afterwards, did Sheldon offer her a comfort like a cuddle because of the stress the "punishment" might have caused in her? I think Sheldon was kind of observing Amy there - maybe he draw a conclusion that Amy somehow liked the spanking "Excuse me, you're not supposed to be enjoying this", the music Amy put on etc. I really think Sheldon's intent really was purely to flirt with her this time. And under the influence of alcohol with no inhibitions, it was something coming from the more subconscious part of him, something which he adopted from his father when groing up. I don't really think Sheldon's intent was to be sexist or misogynistic etc. I don't think Sheldon understood that some may took it like one.

I would so love if the "physical stuff" that would happen between Shamy would be sweet too... For example I would like to see Amy sitting on his lap on that couch and Sheldon going all lovey-dovey on her. I know maybe it's too sappy for Sheldon or TBBT but we should get our sugar around here too. We've been waiting that kiss almost 2 seasons for now (5x12). Neck-kiss would be sweet too indeed. At this point I could take almost anything sweet, hug, cuddling, hand holding, kiss, etc. Have they hold hands in this season yet? I think not. We've not seen them hugging either.  Does Sheldon truly understand, appreciate and value the jewellery he has in his life, that precious pearl of his who is called Amy? She is so close to you Sheldon, within your reach... Please show her that you love her.

[Lionne]

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Edited November 9, 2013 by Lionne

[Chiany]

It is a difficult subject, and emotions run high sometimes.

Nothing wrong with it, if being respectful all the while.

So all is forgiven!!

[bigbangsheldon]

Now that we know that Kripke is being in the Wheaton episode, I feel like 7.10 has less chances to be a Shamy episode. I know they've had connections with the Shamy plot line but, with them being together in one episode I can see a boys plot or something. 

 

Just keeping it low.

[koops]

I'm not a fan of the ass smack that has been debated, I'm okay with it, but I think I won't consider it especially sweet either. More likely it will be "naughty", although I too think like Koops said that the intent behind it was Sheldon being fliratitous to his girlfriend. We never get to know how the spanking ended in 6x10. How long did he spank her? Did they cuddle afterwards, did Sheldon offer her a comfort like a cuddle because of the stress the "punishment" might have caused in her? I think Sheldon was kind of observing Amy there - maybe he draw a conclusion that Amy somehow liked the spanking "Excuse me, you're not supposed to be enjoying this", the music Amy put on etc. I really think Sheldon's intent really was purely to flirt with her this time. And under the influence of alcohol with no inhibitions, it was something coming from the more subconscious part of him, something which he adopted from his father when groing up. I don't really think Sheldon's intent was to be sexist or misogynistic etc. I don't think Sheldon understood that some may took it like one.

I would so love if the "physical stuff" that would happen between Shamy would be sweet too... For example I would like to see Amy sitting on his lap on that couch and Sheldon going all lovey-dovey on her. I know maybe it's too sappy for Sheldon or TBBT but we should get our sugar around here too. We've been waiting that kiss almost 2 seasons for now (5x12). Neck-kiss would be sweet too indeed. At this point I could take almost anything sweet, hug, cuddling, hand holding, kiss, etc. Have they hold hands in this season yet? I think not. We've not seen them hugging either.  Does Sheldon truly understand, appreciate and value the jewellery he has in his life, that precious pearl of his who is called Amy? She is so close to you Sheldon, within your reach... Please show her that you love her.

 

I don't think the problem some people have with the scene is with the Sheldon-end of the slap as with Amy's. I think Sheldon's behavior is much easier to reconcile but Amy's response is what may be seen as controversial, as she is sober and should know the sexist connotations. However, like I said, it all depends on how the scene plays out, when and how those smiles are exchanged and so on, and I personally think Amy was smiling and flattered by his compliment in front of everyone (we know how bashful she gets when he compliments her, to hear "Ain't she great?" in front of everyone must be quite the doozy for her) more so than the butt-slap.

 

However, yes, I agree with you. I don't understand why we can't get some sweet, funny physical scenes between them, instead of this naughty, controversial crap all the time. There could have been tons of other, sweeter ways for the writers to have Sheldon behave inappropriately and embarrassingly with Amy in that context than slapping her on the ass and pulling a sexist joke out of it, I don't understand why they are so reluctant with this. It's getting ridiculous.

 

Now that we know that Kripke is being in the Wheaton episode, I feel like 7.10 has less chances to be a Shamy episode. I know they've had connections with the Shamy plot line but, with them being together in one episode I can see a boys plot or something. 

 

Just keeping it low.

 

I know, I'm trying to keep my expectations low too. But it's weird. The last real Shamy ep we had was 7x05, and x10 is always Shamy, it would be quite the let down if this weren't a Shamy ep. Because x11 usually sucks as they wind down for the holidays. I think I'll go slightly nuts waiting until January for new stuff.

Edited November 9, 2013 by koops

[kunfiam]

Yeah, signs for something big (for them anyway) coming are here.

Actual sex is way to big and fast for this season, I can't see that happening before season 9 ( assuming there will be a season 9).

I agree with you,sex is too much in this season, but kissing maybe will happen or Sheldon will admit his true feelings for Amy. I think the engagement also would be big happen.

[denajeanx]

Maybe itwon't be much of a Shamy moment in 7.10

Maybe it will be a 'defining' Sheldon moment. We can hope. I'll take anything I can get at this point.

Edited November 9, 2013 by denajeanx

[koops]

Last season, Wheaton brought out Sheldon's emotional side and Kripke brought out Sheldon's sexual side. Is it too much to ask for this combination in the same ep? LOL.

[Lionne]

I agree. The writers are definitely setting something up. I don't know that it will be sex because that seems to be a big leap and too risky. But, I think something big will happen for Shamy this season. Fingers crossed!

 

The idea that the writers are setting something up romantically for Sheldon and Amy should, theoretically, be an extremely safe bet.

 

Should be. I'm not entirely sure that it is, though.

 

We know that they were going to have a kiss on Valentine's Day last year, but the writers decided against it. In the end, they managed to end up at D&D sex, which the writers loved because it meant (to them) that Amy and Sheldon consummated their relationship BUT in an asexual way.

 

Mark that, because it lets us know - as everything we've seen since then - that the writers still want us to keep guessing on Sheldon's "deal." At this point in time, I really think that the writers are 1) not unified on the issue of when or how they are going to have Sheldon make a sexual leap forward and 2) teasing and stringing it out as long as possible.

 

The writers have written themselves pretty well into a corner - I would think, logically, they know it's past time to break. We need to know, for certain, and be shown in the story that Sheldon really has an actual deal, and what that deal is, before this relationship begins to push beyond the point of credibility. (Which for me it's beginning to.) However, the writers really like the formula and the point to which they got the characters at the end of season 5. If you think about it, the only huge things resolving long-standing tension which happened in season 5 was Penny and Leonard's "I love you" moment, and Raj being cured of selective mutism. For all the complaints about how this has devolved into a horrible romcom of a show, they really avoid a hell of a lot of the usual aspects of a romcom.

 

Honestly. If this was a romcom we'd open every episode with the characters in bed together, and there would be "I love you's" and galore just like a fan fic written by a Senior Partner of Midol & Seagull ESQ. (I'm the Seagull. My courtroom technique is to come in where Midol has failed to move you with her epic soliloquy on Sheldon's stubborn chocolate pride and the power of love and flap wildly in your face squacking MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE until you simply surrender to make me stop. It's a winning combination. Ask Koops.)

 

But Anyway.

 

This season has really been just as fluffy. The big issues on the table seem to be if Sheldon will kiss Amy and reveal, from his POV, the answer to the question, "What is Sheldon's DEAL?" and will Penny propose to Leonard. Also, an issue might be - will Raj get a real girlfriend, and will Howard and Bernadette have a baby or will anything else happen to them to alter/advance their relationship? Some might say that another issue on the table is the question of which one gets Tenure. (Not that that seems to be a huge plot anymore. Has anyone even mentioned the tenure process on the show? How long does that take, anyway?)

 

They have slowed down the pace of the show A LOT. And, frankly, they're in a bit of a bind. How long can they realistically keep Penny and Leonard from moving in together, or wanting to take their relationship to the next level? How long can they keep Amy and Sheldon's relationship platonic before it just becomes too sad to watch the two of them struggle over the issue of sex? How long can they keep Bernadette and Howard from thinking of having kids? Time moves along, the actors and the characters get older - how long can the writers keep shuffling the cards before people lose patience and want to see some movement on the "bigger life issues" front than just the funny day-to-day stuff?

 

What does it matter about pleasing any of the viewers who hate the rom-com stuff about any of the relationships when, from what I've read, they still absolutely loathe episodes like the Proton one, which was almost nothing but old school TBBT fluff and humor?

 

I don't know, but I think that the logistics are tricky. I want to say, "we have to get something this season. Come on." But I said that last season.

 

Of course, now that I've said that, something is going to happen in episode 10. Seriously, I just would like Sheldon to kiss Amy for a few seconds and show honest to god deep attraction to her, and now they're probably going to end up screwing like rabid ferrets in the laundry room.

Edited November 9, 2013 by Lionne

[Susana Alcira]

Now, I am thinking that we´ll have some SHAMY in episode 10, but the big SHAMY thing will happen in ep 15 because it is ep 150 of TBBT. Remember, in ep 100 Leonard and Penny begun to restart their relatonship, after two years of break up. I mean, after Leonard´s daydream.

[rachelshamyfan]

If that does happen I can say I called it on page 47 of this thread :)

[ShamyVixen]

I believe that Sheldon has very strong feelings for Amy, he may even have fallen in love with her - I think he is at least in the process of doing so. However I can't help but question if he actually wants have a physical relationship with her. I know he said that he has problems with physical contact and he is working on it, but does this mean that he is only trying to become physical in order to please Amy ? (because he loves her, not because Amy is demanding)  Or does he (even a little bit) want to be physical with her because he thinks he may enjoy it?

Any thoughts?

[Chiany]

I think he already has fallen in love with her, but just hasn't realised it.

That's why drunken Sheldon shows his real affection for her, but sober Sheldon doesn't in a big way.

But I think that since season 7 he slowly begins to realize his feelings for her, so I expect a big Shamy moment in the final episode this season.

[Catlina]

Sorry for partly inconsistent post, but It's sunday and I have to let my mind float freely. I tend to think that before Amy, Sheldon had no other "true love" or passions in his life than physics and science. But when Amy came to his life, something changed. He had always loved his mother and sister like it's normal to love family members. But had he experienced romantic love and passion before Amy? If he hadn't. Because it seems now he is going through puberty, I think he will reach experiencing that point more and more near time in the future. In emotional and physical areas. I think he loves Amy very much, and had begun to understand his love for her is romantic of it's kind somewhere during season 5. I believe it was very true what Amy daydreamed, he has been "distracted by her" since the moment he met her. But distracted in a good way. I think him showing romance will be awkward and sweet at the same time. I think he has experienced it some way and some amount inside of his heart, but hasn't let it known for Amy much yet. 
I think, if we want to find "reason" for Sheldon's behaviour in latter half of season 6,  something was bothering him and he wasn't quite himself in some episodes. Maybe he was dealing with his issues concerning what it means to be in a long-term relationship,. Some would just say it's just poor writing from writer's side, and maybe it partly is. I couldn't say Sheldon was on "a pink romantic cloud" on seasons 4-5, not even near that, but maybe it was because of his inner issues he were dealing he behaved to Amy like that in season 6, I don't know. Because Amy shook the very foundations of his entire life, so he had to put everything on their right places again in his mind and in his heart, and it wasn't easy for him.
Everthing he had previously thought he would live his life through alone without romantic relationship, changed. He absolutely gave no value to romantic love before Amy, he never thought himself being part of one. He didn't want it because he thought there is nothing it could give to him what he would need. But he had to admit he was wrong. So now when he was in a permanent, long term relationship in his life, he had to figure out how to live life forward in this new situation he had not planned to be in beforehand. Previously he had had so strong defence mechanisms in his mind, so letting them down and letting them go was a huge step forward. Letting Amy love him was a huge step of personal growth too. Opening himself to love seems to be Sheldon's greatest life struggle. But he will understand it is worth it, the more he opens to love that is coming from Amy's direction, the more free he will be from his former wrong defence mechanisms and fears. He will not be controlled anymore by fear,  but by love, and that is the greatest change that can happen in individual's life. And I sincerely believe that is going to happen because of Amy's unconditional love that she has been showing to him.
So many things he had believed in before and planned for his life before Amy, I mean living his life alone without a romantic relationship, all those things changed. I don't mean things like nobel prize, but when it comes to a romantic relationship. It must have been quite a struggle and change to go through that alone, without talking about it to anyone (except 5x23) so if that change of mind partly happened in the latter half of season 6, I can understand the confusion and his behavior better. If Amy had such a huge impact on him, making him change his beliefs, his self image, his view of life, if she changed so many things, I can understand him behaving strangely at times. That means no justification to nasty things he said to Amy, but I just say I understand them better if they were because of struggles and battles that he was going through secretly in his heart.
I believe he loves physics and his job much, but even more today, he loves Amy. And if he thought before he loved himself, solitude, his brilliant mind the most, now he had to give up to that egoistic love. It was replaced by superior to it, his significant other one Amy.
And thank God for that owner of the dirty sock on the roof (3x23), without him who left it there Sheldon might not know Amy to this day. It was because of that Raj blackmailed him to meet her. I think he never doubted it afterwards he got there. And how much I don't like online dating websites, I'm glad there was one for those two to find themselfs, although it was set by Raj and Howard's fake profile for Sheldon.

Edited November 10, 2013 by Catlina

[koops]

Sheldon knows he has feelings for her and has known for a long time. S6 was the "emotional" awakening. Him saying "I'm quite fond of Amy" to Penny in response to "What are you doing?" was essentially his way of saying "I love her, I'm not leading her on". I think he has more self-awareness than he's given credit for. And that's why this year he is embracing couple-hood and *gasp* ROMANCE in a way he has never done before (who would have thought you'd see Sheldon be swooned by "the most romantic thing he's ever heard"?).

 

The question remains on the physical component of it all. I think TLA was the closest clue we got to him being physically attracted to her, with the ST doctor roleplay and his daydreaming about her naked shoulders, but after that they have surely not disclosed any more information about it. I think the whole Cooper/Kripke and D&D stuff were also hints of his bubbling desires, but, again, it's nothing definite. All we know is that he is thinking about it and working on it, but whether for her sake or for both of them, who knows. I am hoping that if last year was his emotional awakening, this year will be the awakening of his physical desires (what with him apparently showing off about all their hugging and handholding and all now). I am not a fan of the idea of him wanting to get physical with her just to please her, to be honest, so I hope to God that's not where the writers are going with this. But it is true that they're definitely keeping the cards very close to their chest at the moment. And I really don't like how it's making me doubt his attraction to her. I think it's a pretty bad message to have a character who longs for physical intimacy and is deliberately made frumpy and not conventionally attractive to be doomed to a future with a man who has no real physical attraction to her. What was great about Sheldon in TLA was that he *was* finding her a vixen who was getting under his skin. That really sets him apart from all other men too, the fact that it takes a non-conventional beauty to make him tick. 

Edited November 10, 2013 by koops

[Razberrypie]

I know that alcohol has never made me do stuff I wouldn't ever want to do. It gives people the confidence and poor judgement of consequences to do stuff they just didn't have the guts to do, sort of a "Oh what the hell!" effect, lol. I'm pretty sure this would apply to Sheldon too. It's likely had the desire to flirt with Amy even while sober and tell everyone how great she was but since he's never flirted with anyone before (not consciously, anyway) he probably just shook it off as something silly and weird that he'd just mess up anyway. He knew beforehand that Amy liked having her rear touched so he went with something he knew would please her, and by the smile on his face afterwards he must've been pretty pleased too, with all his inhibitions and phobia anxieties lowered he clearly had no problem just going straight for it. That coupled with the fact that, like others have said, he told Penny that his feelings for Amy played no part in his inability to get intimate and mentioned his phobias again, I'm pretty convinced that Sheldon wants to get physical with Amy but is completely overwhelmed by anxieties unrelated to his desires.

[koops]

I know that alcohol has never made me do stuff I wouldn't ever want to do. It gives people the confidence and poor judgement of consequences to do stuff they just didn't have the guts to do, sort of a "Oh what the hell!" effect, lol. I'm pretty sure this would apply to Sheldon too. It's likely had the desire to flirt with Amy even while sober and tell everyone how great she was but since he's never flirted with anyone before (not consciously, anyway) he probably just shook it off as something silly and weird that he'd just mess up anyway. He knew beforehand that Amy liked having her rear touched so he went with something he knew would please her, and by the smile on his face afterwards he must've been pretty pleased too, with all his inhibitions and phobia anxieties lowered he clearly had no problem just going straight for it. That coupled with the fact that, like others have said, he told Penny that his feelings for Amy played no part in his inability to get intimate and mentioned his phobias again, I'm pretty convinced that Sheldon wants to get physical with Amy but is completely overwhelmed by anxieties unrelated to his desires.

 

Yes! And I forgot to say about the book from Itchy as well. If he's playing hackey sack to deal with the stress of social interactions and daily life, he is "working on it", he is open to get help with his closure issues, and now this thing about the book to let go of control... What I am hoping is that Sheldon is the one keeping the cards very close to his chest because he is not ready to get over all his anxieties yet, or can't quite let them go just yet, so he'd rather disclose as little information as possible to Amy ("I have not ruled it out") than giving her false expectations.

 

Or, at least, that's what I'm hoping the writers are doing. 

 

Amy's response to the butt-slap and related controversy aside, on Sheldon's side of things, I see it very much as the sexual equivalent of the emotional drunken confessions and actions in 6x07. He gets drunk, his inhibitions lower, and he suddenly opens up like a flower and tries to act upon his feelings the only way he's been exposed to: like a Texan yokel. 

Edited November 10, 2013 by koops

[Susana Alcira]

Shamy, both of them, need a close hug and a real kiss (a not so hot kiss, but a kiss on the lips, at least) to understand what are they feeling phisically one for each other.     I think they know what is happening in their hearts, but they must know what really happens in their bodies!  

[ShamyVixen]

Thanks for your posts guys. I found them all very insightful, you all have such a deep understanding of our shamy! Its brilliant! I can always count on the spectacular folk in this forum to analyse our fascinating pasadena power couple!

This is sorta summaries of the posts above ,but its just to clarify my thoughts.
Like Catlina&Chiany were saying ,  'Ever since I met you, you've turned my world around' Applys to sheldon when he met Amy. It may have caused him to question everything he ever believed about his future and himself. He has somewhat came to terms with it emotionally. Although he may not realise he loves her. Physically we're not sure but there has been hints in S5&6 ( 'Amy's dandruff gently cascading down onto her pale slightly hunched shoulders'  -  Only just realised that amy would have to actually be showing her skin for him to see her shoulders were pale ! Thanks for pointing out koops that he was daydreaming of her NAKED shoulders! Don't know how i missed that lol) 
We know he is working on his issues but the Sheldon/writers are keeping that underwraps. I hope & feel that koops is right about Sheldon not revealing much because he doesn't want to disappoint Amy, I think he wants to wait until he knows he is ready for something instead of telling her he is trying to prepare for it and then maybe not getting there. I am L-O-V-I-N-G season 7 and definitely agree sheldon is embracing being part of a couple(ofweirdos!yay!). Completely agree with Razberrypie's view that Sheldon wants to flirt while sober but has too many reasons why he thinks he shouldn't, being drunk he just goes for it in a clumsy and sort of extreme way, he knows Amy likes a lil' smack on the rear and he's probably seen it enough from his childhood so he just goes for it.  
ahh I digress, but all and all Shamy are going brilliantly in Season 7, Sheldon seems much more enthusiastic about them as a couple (whether the physical attraction is there i'm not sure but at least we have eyecoitus).

I am excited to see what will happen next.  

Edited November 10, 2013 by ShamyVixen

[Chiany]

Physically we're not sure but there has been hints in S5&6 Amy's dandruff gently cascading down onto her pale slightly hunched

Don't forget, Sheldon has seen her naked a few times.

He gave her a bath in the spanking episode, and she showed him her waxed bikini region in the Parking spot episode.

Both were Amy initiated but he didn't mind or freak out about it.

Edited November 10, 2013 by Chiany

[ShamyVixen]

Don't forget, Sheldon has seen her naked a few times.

He gave her a bath in the spanking episode, and she showed him her waxed bikini region in the Parking spot episode.

Both were Amy initiated but he didn't mind or freak out about it.

I always wondered whether she was actually naked in the bath. I know its kind of weird not to be naked in a bath, but this is sheldon, if he was physically going to wash her ... would she be naked? 

I couldn't wrap my head around that. Wish we'd had more reference from the scene.

Amy showing him her bikini region was so funny and weird and great all at the same time. I like that he didn't run away, and just remarked on the amount of bandaids. I was quite shocked. 

Its something to point out that in both these scenarios Sheldons facial expression/ reaction was not shown. Curiouser and curiouser...

[stardustmelody]

Don't forget, Sheldon has seen her naked a few times.

He gave her a bath in the spanking episode, and she showed him her waxed bikini region in the Parking spot episode.

Both were Amy initiated but he didn't mind or freak out about it.

Yes but those happened in S6.  He talked about fantasizing about her naked shoulders in S5 (before he ever saw her naked), which means he was thinking of her in not entirely pure ways.   He clearly had some thoughts about her bare shoulders, without ever having seen them uncovered (since she wears at least three layers or more all the time).  

 

I do agree with Raz and Koops assessments.  I think it is just a matter of time and I do think that this is the season of "physical unlocking".  He has embraced and is now proud to be known to be part of a couple and a "significant other" to Amy.   This is a huge leap forward already, but they started this season with that tone.  So I do think we are going to see, just like last season with the emotional growth, this season the physical growth.  I think he is going to start to not be able to control his desires for her as he has in the past and will start to unlock and show some of those before the season ends in some form.   I am very much looking forward to it.  They will never be as affectionate on camera as Lenny in a typical couple physical affection way, but I do think that they will find their own means for releasing physical affection, as well as emotional affection.