Spoilers The Shamy - Season 7 Spoilers Only Discussion Thread

[bigbangsheldon]

Guyzzzzzz this writer might just be pulling our leg

[phantagrae]

5x10 (two years ago) SHAMY became boy friend- girl friend and they signed the Relationship Agreement! Is that binannual meaning????!!!!!!!??????

Biannual can mean every two years or twice a year.

[stardustmelody]

They are out....but that is all I know. Someone tweeted they just got out of the taping.

[phantagrae]

Guyzzzzzz this writer might just be pulling our leg

Why would he do that? It doesn't have to be about tonight, but it definitely seems to have to do with Shamy. Kaplan is on the story credits for tonight's episode, but even if it's not this ep, it totally makes sense as a Shamy story.

They are out....but that is all I know. Someone tweeted they just got out of the taping.

Thanks for the heads-up!

[rachelshamyfan]

Summary in spoiler thread

[Chiany]

Summary in spoiler thread

 

Read it, but it feels like a big tease.

Not to happy with Leonard disproving Sheldon's big discovery tbh, more reasons for me to dislike Leonard.

[gsxdoug]

So you dislike Leonard for doing good science? Its kind of his job as an experimental physicist, I doubt there was any animousity.

[Chiany]

So you dislike Leonard for doing good science? Its kind of his job as an experimental physicist, I doubt there was any animousity.

 

I simply don't understand why he would test his friends research, when he basicly agreed with Sheldon that his theory was sound in episode 6.

I understand it from a writers pov though, but let's wait for the full taping report, to see how it went down.

[gsxdoug]

Cuz thats how science works?

 

Besides, Sheldon said he got the magnitudes wrong by confusing the measurement units being used mixed up, making it quite possible that it could be disproved experimentally.

Edited November 13, 2013 by gsxdoug

[Chiany]

Cuz thats how science works?

 

Besides, Sheldon said he got the magnitudes wrong by confusing the measurement units being used mixed up, making it quite possible that it could be disproved experimentally.

 

True that he got mixed measures wrong, but it is clearly said that the Chinese said they found the element.

So even if his original research was a mistake, it still lead to the Element.

 

But like I said, let's wait untill the full report is posted, we don't have enough to go on.

[gsxdoug]

Sorry if I came across as a little short, but it just seemed to me like a slightly irrational reason to dislike Leonard. Repeatability is an important part of scientific experimentation and this sort of thing happens. Just look into cold fusion as an example.

In any case, you are right, it is just something the writers came up with for the sake of the story. Apologies if I've gone too far off-topic.

[Chiany]

Sorry if I came across as a little short, but it just seemed to me like a slightly irrational reason to dislike Leonard. Repeatability is an important part of scientific experimentation and this sort of thing happens. Just look into cold fusion as an example.

In any case, you are right, it is just something the writers came up with for the sake of the story. Apologies if I've gone too far off-topic.

 

No problem, I don't mind so much that Sheldon's discovery is being disproven (although I think he should be given a major discovery by the writers), I just don't like it's done by Leonard, but I understand why.

 

But luckily Moyrani (who went to the taping) did say it was a very funny episode overall, so we can look forward to it (and the taping report).

[koops]

I don't have a problem with Leonard disproving the element per-se, especially since Sheldon was bothered by that discovery and is probably relieved he doesn't have to put up with it any longer. What I find absurd is that Leonard would probably have no way of disproving something like that. He is not a particle physicist or a nuclear physicist. Unless he has random access to do experiments on particle accelerators on his whim, just to see if his roomie is right or wrong, I don't see how that is possible. Unless one can test test methods to synthesize elements using lasers? It would have made more sense if some other physicist disproved it, maybe even Kripke? 

 

It is also sad that they can't seem to give Sheldon a legitimate breakthrough. Although I did find the whole plot of Romance Resonance very interesting and it brought out Sheldon's honesty and academic integrity, which was very nice to see. It would just be nice to give him some legitimate work-related success.

Edited November 13, 2013 by koops

[rachelshamyfan]

Well said koops

[Chaliceinnana]

I don't have a problem with Leonard disproving the element per-se, especially since Sheldon was bothered by that discovery and is probably relieved he doesn't have to put up with it any longer. What I find absurd is that Leonard would probably have no way of disproving something like that. He is not a particle physicist or a nuclear physicist. Unless he has random access to do experiments on particle accelerators on his whim, just to see if his roomie is right or wrong, I don't see how that is possible. Unless one can test test methods to synthesize elements using lasers? It would have made more sense if some other physicist disproved it, maybe even Kripke? 

 

It is also sad that they can't seem to give Sheldon a legitimate breakthrough. Although I did find the whole plot of Romance Resonance very interesting and it brought out Sheldon's honesty and academic integrity, which was very nice to see. It would just be nice to give him some legitimate work-related success.

I really want Sheldon to have a legitimate win. Although based on the meter vs centimeter issue and the proofreading error in his paper for Stephen Hawking, I wonder if a pair of reading glasses wouldn't help a ton.

 

The only problem I have with Leonard disproving the element is that he knew where the math error was. Knowing where the mistake was made gave him a huge advantage over someone starting from scratch. The element was going to be revealed, just because the Chinese found it didn't mean the peer review process was over. This is not going to help Leonard in his quest for tenure. Sheldon's success, deserved or not, could have drawn grant money and positive public relations to the department for another couple of years, perhaps.

 

I guess the second problem I have is that Leonard working on verifying Sheldon's theory could have no value if it didn't prove the theory wrong. If it proved the existence of the element, who would publish a paper entitled, "my roommate discovered an element!"

 

I am curious what relationship advice gets Raj kicked out by each couple, if one person in the couple kicks him out or if it is a team effort. For the Shamy, if one person kicks him out it has to be Sheldon since it is his apartment.

[Guest I'm not dead Cheryl]

I really want Sheldon to have a legitimate win. Although based on the meter vs centimeter issue and the proofreading error in his paper for Stephen Hawking, I wonder if a pair of reading glasses wouldn't help a ton.

 

The only problem I have with Leonard disproving the element is that he knew where the math error was. Knowing where the mistake was made gave him a huge advantage over someone starting from scratch. The element was going to be revealed, just because the Chinese found it didn't mean the peer review process was over. This is not going to help Leonard in his quest for tenure. Sheldon's success, deserved or not, could have drawn grant money and positive public relations to the department for another couple of years, perhaps.

 

I guess the second problem I have is that Leonard working on verifying Sheldon's theory could have no value if it didn't prove the theory wrong. If it proved the existence of the element, who would publish a paper entitled, "my roommate discovered an element!"

 

I am curious what relationship advice gets Raj kicked out by each couple, if one person in the couple kicks him out or if it is a team effort. For the Shamy, if one person kicks him out it has to be Sheldon since it is his apartment.

 

Why would it be bad for Leonard to disprove Sheldon? It was a matter of time before someone disproved the element, and is good for him & Caltech that it was him who did it first. All discoveries of elements are swiftly tested so it probably wasn't that Leonard worked per se to disprove it, but it is the Experimental Physicist's job to test all the theories out there. Experimental Physicists don't write papers on "yeah such person found an element" as you say, but rather publish the experimental data that proved it. 

 

besides, Leonard wouldn't be actually disproving Sheldon but rather the Chinese team that reportedly found the element. Sheldon's paper was a prediction, a theory, that was based on an error, but that apparently had reached a good conclusion. Leonard corrected the experiment, is not unheard of of a team of Experimentalists finding errors on another team's experiments.

Edited November 13, 2013 by Sursonica

[MJistheBOMB]

Hopefully the advice Raj gave the couples was at least helpful advice. ..before he got the boot. Haha.

[denajeanx]

 

I am curious what relationship advice gets Raj kicked out by each couple, if one person in the couple kicks him out or if it is a team effort. For the Shamy, if one person kicks him out it has to be Sheldon since it is his apartment.

I wouldnt be so fast to say it is Sheldon that kicks him out. Amy is fiesty and Sheldon generally doesn't get involved in that type of confrontation or cross Amy when shes pissed. Hence, Amy saying Wil Wheaton needed to leave when he was rude to her last season. Now that was WW (a person who Amy doesn't really know) Raj, however, is much closer to the group and I could see Amy having no issue kicking him out.

[koops]

I really want Sheldon to have a legitimate win. Although based on the meter vs centimeter issue and the proofreading error in his paper for Stephen Hawking, I wonder if a pair of reading glasses wouldn't help a ton.

 

The only problem I have with Leonard disproving the element is that he knew where the math error was. Knowing where the mistake was made gave him a huge advantage over someone starting from scratch. The element was going to be revealed, just because the Chinese found it didn't mean the peer review process was over. This is not going to help Leonard in his quest for tenure. Sheldon's success, deserved or not, could have drawn grant money and positive public relations to the department for another couple of years, perhaps.

 

I guess the second problem I have is that Leonard working on verifying Sheldon's theory could have no value if it didn't prove the theory wrong. If it proved the existence of the element, who would publish a paper entitled, "my roommate discovered an element!"

 

I am curious what relationship advice gets Raj kicked out by each couple, if one person in the couple kicks him out or if it is a team effort. For the Shamy, if one person kicks him out it has to be Sheldon since it is his apartment.

 

But knowing where the math error is would only help Leonard prove that the method Sheldon came up with doesn't work to find the element, not that the element doesn't exist. If the Chinese team applied the method with the mistake and found the element, the element exists. It is just coincidence (maybe due to whatever resonance between the elements Sheldon was talking about) that the method WITH the mistake was the one that could be used to synthesize the element. You take away the mistake and it might not work, but that doesn't mean the element is not synthezisable with the 'flawed' method. And Sheldon knew the method was flawed and announced it publicly. So, unless the Chinese team cheated on top of using a flawed method, the element should still exist. I don't understand the point in proving that the method without the error does not work. I really can't wait to see how they explain this one in the report.

 

Back to Shamy, I hope that it's both of Shamy kicking him out and not some scenario where Raj is trying to put Sheldon on the spot about sex and Amy has yet another of her sexless jokes/rants/whines and Sheldon kicks him out. I would be happy with a "this works for us, shut the hell up" scenario. Especially if it's to do with the performance review Kaplan hinted at. Because I swear to cod if it's a scene with Sheldon pointing out everything Amy has not abided to for the last two years and she just sits there forlorn and miserable I'm not going to be a happy camper. If they're both giving each other performance reviews, that could be pretty hilarious. I can see Raj eavesdropping and trying to meddle in that. 

[Chiany]

But knowing where the math error is would only help Leonard prove that the method Sheldon came up with doesn't work to find the element, not that the element doesn't exist. If the Chinese team applied the method with the mistake and found the element, the element exists. It is just coincidence (maybe due to whatever resonance between the elements Sheldon was talking about) that the method WITH the mistake was the one that could be used to synthesize the element. You take away the mistake and it might not work, but that doesn't mean the element is not synthezisable with the 'flawed' method. And Sheldon knew the method was flawed and announced it publicly. So, unless the Chinese team cheated on top of using a flawed method, the element should still exist. I don't understand the point in proving that the method without the error does not work. I really can't wait to see how they explain this one in the report.

 

Back to Shamy, I hope that it's both of Shamy kicking him out and not some scenario where Raj is trying to put Sheldon on the spot about sex and Amy has yet another of her sexless jokes/rants/whines and Sheldon kicks him out. I would be happy with a "this works for us, shut the hell up" scenario. Especially if it's to do with the performance review Kaplan hinted at. Because I swear to cod if it's a scene with Sheldon pointing out everything Amy has not abided to for the last two years and she just sits there forlorn and miserable I'm not going to be a happy camper. If they're both giving each other performance reviews, that could be pretty hilarious. I can see Raj eavesdropping and trying to meddle in that. 

 

Well said Koop both on the element and the Shamy stuff.

[Chaliceinnana]

I wouldnt be so fast to say it is Sheldon that kicks him out. Amy is fiesty and Sheldon generally doesn't get involved in that type of confrontation or cross Amy when shes pissed. Hence, Amy saying Wil Wheaton needed to leave when he was rude to her last season. Now that was WW (a person who Amy doesn't really know) Raj, however, is much closer to the group and I could see Amy having no issue kicking him out.

I forgot. I really hated that part since Amy went so far out of character.

 

In reality, you should have ejection rights in other peoples homes... You know. Because it's America.

 

I really want Sheldon to kick him out. Like maybe it's the last straw in an already bad day. Raj giving him advice about women.

Edited November 13, 2013 by Chaliceinnana

[Chaliceinnana]

Why would it be bad for Leonard to disprove Sheldon? It was a matter of time before someone disproved the element, and is good for him & Caltech that it was him who did it first. All discoveries of elements are swiftly tested so it probably wasn't that Leonard worked per se to disprove it, but it is the Experimental Physicist's job to test all the theories out there. Experimental Physicists don't write papers on "yeah such person found an element" as you say, but rather publish the experimental data that proved it. 

 

besides, Leonard wouldn't be actually disproving Sheldon but rather the Chinese team that reportedly found the element. Sheldon's paper was a prediction, a theory, that was based on an error, but that apparently had reached a good conclusion. Leonard corrected the experiment, is not unheard of of a team of Experimentalists finding errors on another team's experiments.

Good point about he recreation of the experiment. 

 

But he knows it's probably going fail. It's not going to be as happy experience as showing up the Chinese normally would be.

 

And the result is the same. Sheldon needs to get glasses so he can read tables effectively.

[koops]

I forgot. I really hated that part since Amy went so far out of character.

 

In reality, you should have ejection rights in other peoples homes... You know. Because it's America.

 

I really want Sheldon to kick him out. Like maybe it's the last straw in an already bad day. Raj giving him advice about women.

 

I don't think she was out of character at all. I actually thought it was one of the few times last season where they stuck to the characterization of Amy as a pretty insufferable, arrogant person when she is in the mood. I mean, have we forgotten S4-5 Amy who would call out the others for being academically inferior, tell Penny she was needy, that she didn't need the running commentary, etc.? Yes, she might have more social niceties and graces now, but I like to see her Sheldon-streak come out here and there. I would love to see more of that Amy, instead of her being constantly sensible and mature. I loved it that she was unreasonable with Wheaton, and later with Levar Burton. Or when she insulted Howard in Parking Lot. I like when the Shamy tables get reversed and Sheldon is the one that goes "Errr..." I think seeing more of that would make me as happy as seeing any Shamy progress!

[Chaliceinnana]

I don't think she was out of character at all. I actually thought it was one of the few times last season where they stuck to the characterization of Amy as a pretty insufferable, arrogant person when she is in the mood. I mean, have we forgotten S4-5 Amy who would call out the others for being academically inferior, tell Penny she was needy, that she didn't need the running commentary, etc.? Yes, she might have more social niceties and graces now, but I like to see her Sheldon-streak come out here and there. I would love to see more of that Amy, instead of her being constantly sensible and mature. I loved it that she was unreasonable with Wheaton, and later with Levar Burton. Or when she insulted Howard in Parking Lot. I like when the Shamy tables get reversed and Sheldon is the one that goes "Errr..." I think seeing more of that would make me as happy as seeing any Shamy progress!

I didn't like that she demanded that Sheldon come in on her side. She was being an ass. Her suddenly demanding to have her honor defended. It was pretty damselesque considering she started it. If you are going to be a bitch. Own it. I am very pro-Amy being mean to Wil Wheaton.

 

 I've actually written a fan fiction where Amy lightly mentally tortures Wheaton using text messages.

 

And Amy and Bernadette fighting  in Parking Lot was great! They have a lot of inner-Anger.If they ever got that mad at the same person that would great television. Especially if Howard and Sheldon unleashed them somehow and don't know how to get the genies back in the bottle.

 

I am not in favor of doormat Amy at all.

Edited November 13, 2013 by Chaliceinnana

[koops]

I didn't like that she demanded that Sheldon come in on her side. She was being an ass. Her suddenly demanding to have her honor defended. It was pretty damselesque considering she started it. If you are going to be a bitch. Own it. I am very pro-Amy being mean to Wil Wheaton.

 

 I've actually written a fan fiction where Amy lightly mentally tortures Wheaton using text messages.

 

And Amy and Bernadette fighting  in Parking Lot was great! They have a lot of inner-Anger.If they ever got that mad at the same person that would great television. Especially if Howard and Sheldon unleashed them somehow and don't know how to get the genies back in the bottle.

 

I am not in favor of doormat Amy at all.

 

Oh, in that sense. Sorry, then I kind of agree. I thought you meant her general ass-ery.

 

But I think the fact that she demanded to have Sheldon on her side was supposed to be sort of a mirror-situation of Sheldon's behavior in Parking Lot: "Leonard, why do you never take my side?"/"Because I can never understand your side!". And yet, Amy did and she perfectly happily took his (unreasonable) side, just as he took hers in this episode. Because they're meant to 'get' each other that way. So, even though she was being perfectly unreasonable, she expected him to stick up for her. Just as he would expect of her ("Careful Amy, the friend of my enemy's girlfriend is my enemy").