Spoilers The Shamy - Season 7 Spoilers Only Discussion Thread

[denajeanx]

Oh, in that sense. Sorry, then I kind of agree. I thought you meant her general ass-ery.

 

But I think the fact that she demanded to have Sheldon on her side was supposed to be sort of a mirror-situation of Sheldon's behavior in Parking Lot: "Leonard, why do you never take my side?"/"Because I can never understand your side!". And yet, Amy did and she perfectly happily took his (unreasonable) side, just as he took hers in this episode. Because they're meant to 'get' each other that way. So, even though she was being perfectly unreasonable, she expected him to stick up for her. Just as he would expect of her ("Careful Amy, the friend of my enemy's girlfriend is my enemy"). 

 

100% Agree.

[MJistheBOMB]

See? Now, I never looked at it that way before, Koops. Good point. When I first saw it, I thought, "why does Sheldon have to have her back in this situation? She's being a bitch. "

Looking at it that way makes more sense.

[phantagrae]

I wonder how many #1 Comedy sitcoms have ever had their fans arguing scientific methodology and principles...and then turning to talking about relationships. 

 

I love this fandom!

 

I have nothing else to offer as I await the taping report.

 

I don't think that there's anything monumental about the Raj/Shamy interaction, though, since Moyra said that it's not at all a Shamy episode.

[Redrose]

I personally love the sassy Amy. I don't think she's OOC at all, on the contrary ; She was like that in her very first appearance and for a couple of episodes. Actually I would love to see that again. We have to remember that, yes she has matured and improved her social skills but I don't think that the core of her thoughts have changed. 7.03 is a good exemple of that. Even if she loves Penny as her friend, she continues to think that in fact Penny is a liability in the intellectual pathway. That´s why she didn't accept her in her team. It would be great if we see Amy defending her work in neurobiology as a superior domain, or shut Sheldon's mouth with it. Or even better, joking about others competencies being obsolete. Just trying to remember us that she kept her quirks, that's all.

Just a thought here : I love that in The Workplace proximity, when she told him that "he's not a weirdo", she really meant it. Because every average/normal person knows that Sheldon is not normal. But Amy thinking that he is prooves that she's not too. That's why we call them the couple of weirdos

[Chaliceinnana]

Oh, in that sense. Sorry, then I kind of agree. I thought you meant her general ass-ery.

 

But I think the fact that she demanded to have Sheldon on her side was supposed to be sort of a mirror-situation of Sheldon's behavior in Parking Lot: "Leonard, why do you never take my side?"/"Because I can never understand your side!". And yet, Amy did and she perfectly happily took his (unreasonable) side, just as he took hers in this episode. Because they're meant to 'get' each other that way. So, even though she was being perfectly unreasonable, she expected him to stick up for her. Just as he would expect of her ("Careful Amy, the friend of my enemy's girlfriend is my enemy"). 

I usually agree, but in this situation, it was such a petty pissing contest... It was beneath her. She should have squashed the enemy like a bug and saved her "I am your girlfriend. Tell that jerk off!" card for something she couldn't handle.

 

Amy's my favorite, it drove me crazy when she went doormat last year.

[Maddie]

I don't have a problem with Leonard disproving the element per-se, especially since Sheldon was bothered by that discovery and is probably relieved he doesn't have to put up with it any longer. What I find absurd is that Leonard would probably have no way of disproving something like that. He is not a particle physicist or a nuclear physicist. Unless he has random access to do experiments on particle accelerators on his whim, just to see if his roomie is right or wrong, I don't see how that is possible. Unless one can test test methods to synthesize elements using lasers? It would have made more sense if some other physicist disproved it, maybe even Kripke? 

 

It is also sad that they can't seem to give Sheldon a legitimate breakthrough. Although I did find the whole plot of Romance Resonance very interesting and it brought out Sheldon's honesty and academic integrity, which was very nice to see. It would just be nice to give him some legitimate work-related success.

 

This is why this episode is so irritating to me. All this time it's been known that Sheldon is the smartest in the group and has the most capacity of making a great discovery, and yet we keep seeing the other three guys get more success than him. I get that Sheldon is arrogant and it's nice to see the "underdogs" win, but in 7x06 he showed such a maturity and integrity, like koops said, that I just feel absolutely terrible for him. It's about time for Sheldon to have huge success. :[

[Carlos]

Not to happy with Leonard disproving Sheldon's big discovery tbh, more reasons for me to dislike Leonard.

 

What an ignorant thing to say! So you'll dislike Leonard for being a good scientist? Interesting .....

[Guest]

This is why this episode is so irritating to me. All this time it's been known that Sheldon is the smartest in the group and has the most capacity of making a great discovery, and yet we keep seeing the other three guys get more success than him. I get that Sheldon is arrogant and it's nice to see the "underdogs" win, but in 7x06 he showed such a maturity and integrity, like koops said, that I just feel absolutely terrible for him. It's about time for Sheldon to have huge success. :[

 

For the most part, you are right, he didn't get so much approval. But THAT is what he wanted right?

 

7.06

"Stop celebrating me!"

"When will this nightmare end?"

"How do I make them stop loving me?"

 

And the most important:

"What matters is, the greatest scientific achievement of my life is based on a blunder." ... Do you really want that? I don't think so. I guess he WILL have his breakthrough, but not this way. Only a matter of time.

[Susana Alcira]

I don´t understand how can you people HATE and DISLIKE some of these LOVELY seven characters. You may have your favorites, but DISLIKE and HATE the others????????  

Edited November 13, 2013 by Susana Alcira Cairó

[Chiany]

I don´t understand how can you people HATE and DISLIKE some of these LOVELY seven characters. You may have your favorites, but DISLIKE and HATE the others????????  

Maybe dislike was the wrong word, I just don't understand Leonard and his choices/actions most of the time.

Sorry if I offended anyone.

[Guest]

Maybe dislike was the wrong word, I just don't understand Leonard and his choices/actions most of the time.

Sorry if I offended anyone.

 

Counter question: Do you understand Sheldon's actions or choices most of the time?

Edited November 13, 2013 by FileXxX

[Chiany]

Counter question: Do you understand Sheldon's actions or choices most of the time?

Not always, but of all 7 main characters, I can understand his motives more than of the others.

Edited November 13, 2013 by Chiany

[Maddie]

For the most part, you are right, he didn't get so much approval. But THAT is what he wanted right?

 

7.06

"Stop celebrating me!"

"When will this nightmare end?"

"How do I make them stop loving me?"

 

And the most important:

"What matters is, the greatest scientific achievement of my life is based on a blunder." ... Do you really want that? I don't think so. I guess he WILL have his breakthrough, but not this way. Only a matter of time.

 

This makes me feel better, thank you. For all we know, when Leonard disproves his element, Sheldon might throw his arms up and scream, "Thank you, Jesus!"

 

I just hope the writers plan on doing something big for him before the series ends. A nobel prize would be wonderful, but it doesn't have to be that. It just seems silly to have a character that is supposedly a beautiful mind and not have him do beautiful things.

[Guest]

Not always, but of all 7 main characters, I can understand his motives more than of the others.

 

Okay then. I just wanted to say, that there is no reason to hate about the other characters. We don't even know HOW and WHY Leonard disproved Sheldon's discovery. But you have to remember: they are best buddies.

[Catlina]

 Considering Shamy I liked much episodes 4-6 this season. There was many good things in there. But it seems now, when we are coming to episode 10, there have been even less on-screen physical stuff happening during this season until now compared to what season 6 and 1-10episodes had, not to speak of season 5. We had hand holding and stuff that happened in fish guts, in season 5 we had that lovely cuddling on couch. Now we have had only one butt slap and Amy closing his jaw, etc, something minor. Of course we don't yet know about what is going to be in this new episode yet, but I understood there wasn't any physical contact. I'm a bit sad about this, they could really show as even one hand holding, and I would get along with that for some time. It's just sad it seems they don't want to show us anything that is physical. I really don't count 7x6 as a kiss since there wasn't one... Why it is that the writers really didn't have a problem showing as that eye coitus and kiss in 4x21 or that cuddling on the couch 5x08,  Sheldon asking very important question in 5x10 and Amy kissing Sheldon in 5x12?  Why they didn't fear showing those scenes then? Now it seems that they have some kind of fear about showing them having any physical contact. Do they really fear they start losing money if they write Sheldon kissing her?  I think they got a lots more audience and so more money from advertisers etc. because Bernadette and Amy came part of the show. They got lots of new fans and viewers because of Shamy and Howardette. It's sad that they have absolutely no problem showing us other couples kissing, but when it's Shamy they seem to be way too overly cautious how they write them. 
It seems to me as a viewer that they seemed to have more kissing and cuddling when their relationship was new. They cuddled and kissed properly before they had a established relationship, after that, there was that one quick peck two episodes after their relationship agreement. After that, it's been almost total silence, except those hand holds and Amy-sided hugs. Of course I'm happy with Amy hugging Sheldon we saw last season, but I would like to see him wrapping his arms around her for a change. That's the reason I love so much 5x24, where we see Sheldon grabbing her hand. When we will see again something so precious like that?

[bigbangsheldon]

it's been a year now since the beginning of the SIK predicting (for real) started happening... it's been a wild ride. 

[shc1212]

As much as we all are waiting for something physical to happen between Shamy and its driving us all crazy.. I still feel that this season they are showing Amy and Sheldon in a very comfortable place. There may not be anything physical, but we see both of them understanding the other more (Sheldon realizing how wrong he was in the Workplace.. Amy telling Sheldon she is not proud of him in Romance .. and then their interaction in the Raiders.. ) We see a lot more growth already happened there. 

I agree a cuddle here and there won't be too bad.. or heck just a casual hand holding shown.. they have already implied it happens

 

But I do feel that a kiss or something physical is coming soon ...

[ATOB]

This makes me feel better, thank you. For all we know, when Leonard disproves his element, Sheldon might throw his arms up and scream, "Thank you, Jesus!"

 

I just hope the writers plan on doing something big for him before the series ends. A nobel prize would be wonderful, but it doesn't have to be that. It just seems silly to have a character that is supposedly a beautiful mind and not have him do beautiful things.

I want Leonard's work in the North Sea to prove Hawking Radiation in black holes, and for Sheldon to use his data to prove that time is an emergent property and thus validate Loop Quantum Gravity, whilst disproving his beloved String Theory! Devising a testable paradigm for Loop Quantum Gravity has got to be worth a Nobel, and the bittersweet irony would be delicious

[Guest]

I want Leonard's work in the North Sea to prove Hawking Radiation in black holes, and for Sheldon to use his data to prove that time is an emergent property and thus validate Loop Quantum Gravity, whilst disproving his beloved String Theory! Devising a testable paradigm for Loop Quantum Gravity has got to be worth a Nobel, and the bittersweet irony would be delicious

 

Okay, we know now, that Leonard disproved his discovery just to make Sheldon happy. This kind of "revenge" would not be appropriate at all.

[ATOB]

Okay, we know now, that Leonard disproved his discovery just to make Sheldon happy. This kind of "revenge" would not be appropriate at all.

Revenge? Who said anything about revenge?

How would Sheldon proving that time doesn't exist be revenge on Leonard?

You've lost me.

For clarity, I wrote this before I read the taping report.

Edited to add: The Experimental Physicist who would test Sheldon's time hypothesis would undoubtedly be Leonard would it not, so he'd be in line for a Nobel too?

Did you think I meant Sheldon would prove LOOP theory just to P Leonard off? That would be cutting off one's nose indeed!?

Edited November 13, 2013 by AThingOfBeauty

[shc1212]

I will wait for the episode to play out, but another "sex" and "Sheldon/Amy" is getting really old!! What happened to the writers.. I always thought TBBT writers are the only ones who actually have been so good with not using the same stuff over and over...

[koops]

This line was worst than any other this season, if you ask me. I don't like the implication that Sheldon agrees with Raj saying she's pressuring him into sex and intimacy when all she was suggesting is a walk. Either he has sex on the brain so much that going for a walk already makes him think of that, or he really equals going for a walk with sex and a form of intimacy he finds he's pressured into and only enjoys for her sake. Which is pretty darn depressing. 

 

I don't mind him snapping at her about the walk if he's in a bad mood, and Raj telling him that he needs to be considerate and she needs to let him be, but did they really need to make it about sex? And what the hell does Raj know about Amy pressuring Sheldon anyway? I think it's just awful to give the audience a line that confirms what so many detractors think of Amy: that she's pushing him to get her way when he would be very happy remaining platonic and sexless. 

[Queenfisher]

This line was worst than any other this season, if you ask me. I don't like the implication that Sheldon agrees with Raj saying she's pressuring him into sex and intimacy when all she was suggesting is a walk. Either he has sex on the brain so much that going for a walk already makes him think of that, or he really equals going for a walk with sex and a form of intimacy he finds he's pressured into and only enjoys for her sake. Which is pretty darn depressing.

I don't mind him snapping at her about the walk if he's in a bad mood, and Raj telling him that he needs to be considerate and she needs to let him be, but did they really need to make it about sex? And what the hell does Raj know about Amy pressuring Sheldon anyway? I think it's just awful to give the audience a line that confirms what so many detractors think of Amy: that she's pushing him to get her way when he would be very happy remaining platonic and sexless.

i totally agree with this. his line “Everything is just sex with you, isn’t it?!” felt really hurtful. i dont see this as anything funny. Raj did have a point about the give and take thing.

[Guest]

Revenge? Who said anything about revenge?

How would Sheldon proving that time doesn't exist be revenge on Leonard?

You've lost me.

For clarity, I wrote this before I read the taping report.

Edited to add: The Experimental Physicist who would test Sheldon's time hypothesis would undoubtedly be Leonard would it not, so he'd be in line for a Nobel too?

Did you think I meant Sheldon would prove LOOP theory just to P Leonard off? That would be cutting off one's nose indeed!?

 

Sorry, somehow I read that wrong. As a German, I find your previous post very confusing :D

[ATOB]

I think the joke is that a walk is nothing to do with sex and, as Sheldon put two and two together to deliver that line, it shows that he's the one with sex on the brain, not Amy.

I took the Raj line as a gender reversal joke; Raj takes what's normally the female viewpoint once again.