Spoilers The Shamy - Season 7 Spoilers Only Discussion Thread

[koops]

I love this post by meg on fanforum: http://www.fanforum.com/72735403-post244.html

 

Makes me feel better about that scene. 

[Queenfisher]

I think the joke is that a walk is nothing to do with sex and, as Sheldon put two and two together to deliver that line, it shows that he's the one with sex on the brain, not Amy.

I took the Raj line as a gender reversal joke; Raj takes what's normally the female viewpoint once again.

that's an interesting take. hmmm maybe it's possible he might be thinking about it more than amy lol

I love this post by meg on fanforum: http://www.fanforum.com/72735403-post244.html

Makes me feel better about that scene.

me too

[shc1212]

I love this post by meg on fanforum: http://www.fanforum.com/72735403-post244.html

 

Makes me feel better about that scene. 

I like her take too.. and I hope that is what the writers are doing with it as well.. I think it is about time this issue is addressed..and I hope they keep continuity with this little discussion..

 

On another note.. I didn't get the Peta joke

[ATOB]

I didn't get the Peta joke

PETA is the abbreviation of 'People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals' which is the largest animal rights charity in the world. You would call them to report any animal cruelty you witnessed.

[koops]

Ok, I need to give my latest thoughts before I forget. 

 

Starting from meg's premise....

 

We can speculate that Sheldon has indeed been aware of Amy's sex jokes and that, combined with his "working on it" (which we know from last season, 6x23, the hackey sack, the book on control and so on), they have been putting a lot of pressure on him, as he probably has on himself. I kind of wonder whether they are constant reminders to him of how much he is *not* giving her, which might be pretty stressful for him on top of everything else. 

 

Now, this is the first time Amy has been made aware of the fact that she might be pressuring him. And this is the first time Sheldon has been made aware that he needs to give a little. Both agreed with Raj and both did not deny Raj was right about their flaws. They just reacted like it hit too close to home. 

 

Kaplan has tweeted about the biannual performance review that everyone should do because there's no such thing as "mind reading". Which sounds a lot to me like it's linked to this thing about Shamy not really communicating clearly on the issue. Even their talk in 6x23 was very much them walking on eggshells, especially Sheldon. 

 

On top of it all, we have a whole episode centered around Sheldon trying so hard to get rid of the fame he didn't want (i.e. the pressure) only to then get annoyed when it was taken from him. Ending with a very telling line about "I didn't want it before, but now that it is gone I want it even more".

 

I might be looking too much into symbolism, but could it be that the performance review will help clear the air, make Amy stop with her sex comments and back off a little and Sheldon to find that now that the pressure is gone he wants it even more? After all, we know that when it comes to this relationship, Sheldon is very much the flame that goes to the moth. 5x03, 5x10, 7x05. Could they be set up to end the year putting an end to Amy's sex jokes and starting anew in 2014 with Sheldon making the moves?

 

Maybe it's just wishful thinking, but one can hope.

[Guest I'm not dead Cheryl]

Ok, I need to give my latest thoughts before I forget. 

 

Starting from meg's premise....

 

We can speculate that Sheldon has indeed been aware of Amy's sex jokes and that, combined with his "working on it" (which we know from last season, 6x23, the hackey sack, the book on control and so on), they have been putting a lot of pressure on him, as he probably has on himself. I kind of wonder whether they are constant reminders to him of how much he is *not* giving her, which might be pretty stressful for him on top of everything else. 

 

Now, this is the first time Amy has been made aware of the fact that she might be pressuring him. And this is the first time Sheldon has been made aware that he needs to give a little. Both agreed with Raj and both did not deny Raj was right about their flaws. They just reacted like it hit too close to home. 

 

Kaplan has tweeted about the biannual performance review that everyone should do because there's no such thing as "mind reading". Which sounds a lot to me like it's linked to this thing about Shamy not really communicating clearly on the issue. Even their talk in 6x23 was very much them walking on eggshells, especially Sheldon. 

 

On top of it all, we have a whole episode centered around Sheldon trying so hard to get rid of the fame he didn't want (i.e. the pressure) only to then get annoyed when it was taken from him. Ending with a very telling line about "I didn't want it before, but now that it is gone I want it even more".

 

I might be looking too much into symbolism, but could it be that the performance review will help clear the air, make Amy stop with her sex comments and back off a little and Sheldon to find that now that the pressure is gone he wants it even more? After all, we know that when it comes to this relationship, Sheldon is very much the flame that goes to the moth. 5x03, 5x10, 7x05. Could they be set up to end the year putting an end to Amy's sex jokes and starting anew in 2014 with Sheldon making the moves?

 

Maybe it's just wishful thinking, but one can hope.

 

I agree with your premise (or maybe is just wishful thinking in my part).

 

But it still bothers me. Because again, like too many times before the casual viewer is gonna be left with the "Amy is pressuring Sheldon to have sex with her" (when most of us know is not so) and the "Sheldon will never put out" (which we also know is not true) impression. And it shouldn't piss me off but it does.  It pisses me off to read and hear the general misconceptions of Amy is sex-crazed and Sheldon is asexual and will always be or the equally annoying "Amy deserves better" or the worst one "she should leave Sheldon for someone who will have sex with her". 

 

I wish that for once, the writers would make it so obvious as to at least diminish those comments. They did it with the D&D ep, but they have been acting like it never happened since then and sadly, the average viewer's memory is quite limited.

Edited November 14, 2013 by Sursonica

[koops]

I agree with your premise (or maybe is just wishful thinking in my part).

 

But it still bothers me. Because again, like too many times before the casual viewer is gonna be left with the "Amy is pressuring Sheldon to have sex with her" (when most of us know is not so) and the "Sheldon will never put out" (which we also know is not true) impression. And it shouldn't piss me off but it does. 

 

I totally agree with this too. I'm also very annoyed with that. I know people keep reminding me that it doesn't matte what casual viewers think, but it does pain me to see Amy portrayed as desperate for sex (when we know she's just desperate for intimacy with Sheldon) and Sheldon like he isn't into her. I'm very bipolar about this whole issue right now. My first reaction was to be utterly pissed off. On second thought, I do hope that it will put an end to Amy's lines. I mean, if the writers put that line in Sheldon's mouth, surely they must be aware that they are giving her one line in every single episode? 

 

At the beginning of the season I thought it was different because the kissing and the virginity lines sounded a lot like them just teasing each other. Then it went back to being one-sided and passive-aggressive. And I wondered what the hell was the deal with Amy, since I would have expected her to be placated on the issue a little after their talk in 6x23. But I guess not, and this maybe will finally make things come to a head?

 

It's funny because one of my favorite Shamy fanfics had this kind of scenario, with Amy giving him space and Sheldon missing the pressure: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7737526/4/The-Learning-Alteration

 

Maybe having her back off might be a way to show the audience that Sheldon is actually doing it because he wants it, and not just to appease her?

Edited November 14, 2013 by koops

[Guest I'm not dead Cheryl]

I totally agree with this too. I'm also very annoyed with that. I know people keep reminding me that it doesn't matte what casual viewers think, but it does pain me to see Amy portrayed as desperate for sex (when we know she's just desperate for intimacy with Sheldon) and Sheldon like he isn't into her. I'm very bipolar about this whole issue right now. My first reaction was to be utterly pissed off. On second thought, I do hope that it will put an end to Amy's lines. I mean, if the writers put that line in Sheldon's mouth, surely they must be aware that they are giving her one line in every single episode? 

 

At the beginning of the season I thought it was different because the kissing and the virginity lines sounded a lot like them just teasing each other. Then it went back to being one-sided and passive-aggressive. And I wondered what the hell was the deal with Amy, since I would have expected her to be placated on the issue a little after their talk in 6x23. But I guess not, and this maybe will finally make things come to a head?

 

It's funny because one of my favorite Shamy fanfics had this kind of scenario, with Amy giving him space and Sheldon missing the pressure: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7737526/4/The-Learning-Alteration

 

Maybe having her back off might be a way to show the audience that Sheldon is actually doing it because he wants it, and not just to appease her?

 

I certainly hope so, like they did that closure with Amy's comments to Penny on Rothman I certainly wanna see a closure from this comments and attitudes from the characters or at least for them to tone it down.

[koops]

I certainly hope so, like they did that closure with Amy's comments to Penny on Rothman I certainly wanna see a closure from this comments and attitudes from the characters or at least for them to tone it down.

 

You know what? That's actually a very good point! I didn't think of that but Amy does have a tendency of not knowing when enough is enough and needing to be told straight up. Of course than Penny took the painting back in Rothman, but I forgot that they had a similar kind of 'coming to a head' type of closure there. Interesting!

[Susana Alcira]

Any clue about 7x11?  Will it be a Christmas or New Year episode? I think it will be the last of 2013.              

Edited November 14, 2013 by Susana Alcira Cairó

[shc1212]

PETA is the abbreviation of 'People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals' which is the largest animal rights charity in the world. You would call them to report any animal cruelty you witnessed.

Ohhh.. thanks so much!!!

[MJistheBOMB]

I will wait for the episode to play out, but another "sex" and "Sheldon/Amy" is getting really old!! What happened to the writers.. I always thought TBBT writers are the only ones who actually have been so good with not using the same stuff over and over...

 

 

This line was worst than any other this season, if you ask me. I don't like the implication that Sheldon agrees with Raj saying she's pressuring him into sex and intimacy when all she was suggesting is a walk. Either he has sex on the brain so much that going for a walk already makes him think of that, or he really equals going for a walk with sex and a form of intimacy he finds he's pressured into and only enjoys for her sake. Which is pretty darn depressing. 

 

I don't mind him snapping at her about the walk if he's in a bad mood, and Raj telling him that he needs to be considerate and she needs to let him be, but did they really need to make it about sex? And what the hell does Raj know about Amy pressuring Sheldon anyway? I think it's just awful to give the audience a line that confirms what so many detractors think of Amy: that she's pushing him to get her way when he would be very happy remaining platonic and sexless. 

 

Haven't even read the report yet. They're STILL AT IT??? My goodness, when will it end? JUST MAKE THEM DO IT ALREADY, WRITERS! Clearly, you want it more than Amy does at this point. LOL.

I love this post by meg on fanforum: http://www.fanforum.com/72735403-post244.html

 

Makes me feel better about that scene. 

 

Nevermind, all better. LOL!

[Susana Alcira]

Amy deserves the Nobel Prize for PATIENCE !!!!!!!!!!

Edited November 14, 2013 by Susana Alcira Cairó

[Chiany]

Well after reading the taping report just now, and also all responses here and in the s7 spoilers topic, I was at first mad/sad to read what happens between Amy & Sheldon.

 

But after letting it sink in a bit, I think Koops is right with Sheldon wanting Amy's "pressuring" in the next episodes after this one.

And since she isn't going to pressure him anymore, combined with what Raj said (and Sheldon understanding and agreeing) , he might be willing to take a big step (for Sheldon that is).

 

So I don't expect any actual coitus between them, which would be to big obviously, but a Sheldon initiated hug/kiss might be coming.

 

Or it's just all this wishfull thinking in my head.

[Karen Benavides]

Amy deserves the Nobel Prize for PATIENCE !!!!!!!!!!

AMEN lol

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[MJistheBOMB]

Just read the report and I enjoyed the story and with the help of Meg & Koops input, I definitely feel like what Raj said could potentially be very helpful to them and they can move forward and both have what they want in the relationship. It's something I never thought about before....how Amy's comments are affecting Sheldon and as Raj and we already know, it goes both ways: Sheldon needs to give a little too.

[dessertisserved]

Are we forgetting that in the previous episode Sheldon gave Amy a butt-slap?? So are we to assume that nothing was discussed between them on the appropriateness or parameters of such actions in private or public, sober or drunk?  It is only then that I can accept the broadness of poor pressured Sheldon. This also negates the progress of the "we're not going to do that" and "I couldn't sleep because of what happened earlier between us".   So they did talk but now they're not talking?       Amy has been supportive and loving but once again she is being shot down ​for her patience. The "Sheldon being Sheldon"  has now given us several episodes of the ass hat and bratty boy again putting Amy in position were she has had to be assertive in correcting his poor behavior are they trying to make her more of a mother than a girlfriend?   

 

I had quoted this line in the other forum.  I too thought I might be reaching in looking at it for symbolism.

 

 

 

"Sheldon says that when he thought the element existed, he didn’t want it but now that it is gone, he wants it more than ever. "

 

Unfortunately my symbolic interpretation and feels (or lack of trust in the writers) are that all things Shamy may get worse before they get better.   

Edited November 14, 2013 by dessertisserved

[Maddie]

The notion that Amy is sex-crazed is so, so wrong. While she often jokes about it, she's just as not ready for it as Sheldon is, as evidenced in 6x23 when he called her bluff and went through with the D&D sex. She got extremely shy all of a sudden, and that wasn't even real.

What she really wants is intimacy, and not with anybody. With Sheldon. They love each other, and just because they haven't consummated their relationship doesn't make them any less legitimate or meaningful than Lenny or Howardette. We live in a society where sex is constantly mistaken for love, and Shamy flies in the face of that. It's what makes them so endearing.

I think Amy's dry comments that irritate many people is just a way of her humoring a situation which has become sort of the elephant in the room of this series. In reality, if Sheldon were to bust into her apartment and demand they have sex right there on her couch, she'd freeze up.

[Susana Alcira]

The notion that Amy is sex-crazed is so, so wrong. While she often jokes about it, she's just as not ready for it as Sheldon is, as evidenced in 6x23 when he called her bluff and went through with the D&D sex. She got extremely shy all of a sudden, and that wasn't even real.

What she really wants is intimacy, and not with anybody. With Sheldon. They love each other, and just because they haven't consummated their relationship doesn't make them any less legitimate or meaningful than Lenny or Howardette. We live in a society where sex is constantly mistaken for love, and Shamy flies in the face of that. It's what makes them so endearing.

I think Amy's dry comments that irritate many people is just a way of her humoring a situation which has become sort of the elephant in the room of this series. In reality, if Sheldon were to bust into her apartment and demand they have sex right there on her couch, she'd freeze up.

I agree with you, but I think if Sheldon demands sex, she´ll do it after all! Remember, she loves him a lot!

[MJistheBOMB]

The notion that Amy is sex-crazed is so, so wrong. While she often jokes about it, she's just as not ready for it as Sheldon is, as evidenced in 6x23 when he called her bluff and went through with the D&D sex. She got extremely shy all of a sudden, and that wasn't even real.

What she really wants is intimacy, and not with anybody. With Sheldon. They love each other, and just because they haven't consummated their relationship doesn't make them any less legitimate or meaningful than Lenny or Howardette. We live in a society where sex is constantly mistaken for love, and Shamy flies in the face of that. It's what makes them so endearing.

I think Amy's dry comments that irritate many people is just a way of her humoring a situation which has become sort of the elephant in the room of this series. In reality, if Sheldon were to bust into her apartment and demand they have sex right there on her couch, she'd freeze up.

 

Haha, so true though.

[Chiany]

The notion that Amy is sex-crazed is so, so wrong. While she often jokes about it, she's just as not ready for it as Sheldon is, as evidenced in 6x23 when he called her bluff and went through with the D&D sex. She got extremely shy all of a sudden, and that wasn't even real.

What she really wants is intimacy, and not with anybody. With Sheldon. They love each other, and just because they haven't consummated their relationship doesn't make them any less legitimate or meaningful than Lenny or Howardette. We live in a society where sex is constantly mistaken for love, and Shamy flies in the face of that. It's what makes them so endearing.

I think Amy's dry comments that irritate many people is just a way of her humoring a situation which has become sort of the elephant in the room of this series. In reality, if Sheldon were to bust into her apartment and demand they have sex right there on her couch, she'd freeze up.

 

I too think that Amy isn't sex crazed at all, but she just has missed out on so much growing up.

Her jokes about Sheldon not showing his affection as much as she wants, is both a way to show her actual frustration about that, but also to cover up her own insecurity about that fact.

 

She really is smitten by Sheldon, she really thinks he is the best boyfriend (I believe she said this to Penny in an episode, can't remember which one though).

 

While I think the sex lines/jokes by Amy and Sheldon might seem to get repetitive reading them, it really depends on how they are brought to us by Jim and Mayim.

And knowing how good these two are, I doubt we will be dissapointed when we actual see it (same goes for the slap on the ass in episode 9 this season).

[phantagrae]

I don't think I've posted in this thread since I read the taping report. I'm not at all bothered by the Shamy/Raj stuff at the end, nor by any of it, really.

I think it sounds really interesting and funny.

I love Wil and Amy coming to talk to Sheldon, and then sitting down to play trains with him (or trying to...) and that Amy stays in there after Sheldon tells Wil to leave.

Although we see more Howie/Bernie chafing, I think it's fairly realistic for the kinds of adjustments and issues that new couples have, especially considering the way Howard grew up, with a mother who did everything for him.

I do hope that at some point in the future Sheldon does get an actual breakthrough of his own that doesn't get undermined.

As for the infamous Shamy moment, I kind of like it that Sheldon sees "sex" in the idea of going out for a walk. What does he imagine he might feel while out walking with her on a pretty evening...?

While I know that some people are aggravated at the idea of "sex-crazed" Amy, I think that Raj and Sheldon's perceptions might not necessarily be intended to be seen as the truth, especially since the comment comes on the heels of such an innocent and well-intentioned suggestion from Amy.

While it's true that Sheldon may be perceiving that he's being pressured, and as Lio or mena or someone has pointed out, perception is reality in such situations, I don't know that the writers are intending to underscore the idea that Amy is actually trying to pressure him.

If they were, I would think that they would have had her say something more obviously or truly suggestive.

Anyway, I don't find it at all frustrating or disappointing. I'm looking forward to it!

Edited November 14, 2013 by phantagrae

[rachelshamyfan]

Sheldon appears to have sex on the brain as Amy's suggested plan for going for a walk is not a sexual remark!

[koops]

Are we forgetting that in the previous episode Sheldon gave Amy a butt-slap?? So are we to assume that nothing was discussed between them on the appropriateness or parameters of such actions in private or public, sober or drunk? It is only then that I can accept the broadness of poor pressured Sheldon. This also negates the progress of the "we're not going to do that" and "I couldn't sleep because of what happened earlier between us". So they did talk but now they're not talking? Amy has been supportive and loving but once again she is being shot down ​for her patience. The"Sheldon being Sheldon" has now given us several episodes of the ass hat and bratty boy again putting Amy in position were she has had to be assertive in correcting his poor behavior are they trying to make her more of a mother than a girlfriend?

I had quoted this line in the other forum. I too thought I might be reaching in looking at it for symbolism.



"Sheldon says that when he thought the element existed, he didn’t want it but now that it is gone, he wants it more than ever. "

Unfortunately my symbolic interpretation and feels (or lack of trust in the writers) are that all things Shamy may get worse before they get better.

The thing is, Shamy communicate about everything EXCEPT sex/intimacy. They don't have a problem discussing other aspects of their relationship but, up until 6x23, it had never been honestly brought up by either of them. It was always something they tiptoed around and played dumb to. And even in that context they were walking around on eggshells and Sheldon really didn't reveal all that much. I remember saying that, if he hadn't initiated that role play, I don't know that that his responses during that conversation would have necessarily made Amy feel any better.

Now, granted, I thought that their joking around on the matter at the start of the season was an indication that they had indeed talked things through more openly and more often, but maybe that's not the case after all. So it isn't totally surprising that it might be coming up again as an issue. To be honest one thing that baffled me was Amy's jokes having turned into a "When Sheldon and I have sex" thing, and I wondered what was up with her confidence on the matter and whether they had talked about it. But it sounds like she might have been exaggerating as usual, after all.

The other thing is, we know Sheldon seems to have sex on the brain right now. He did slap her butt only last episode in a way that Moyra apparently said is indeed flirtatious. And he associates going for a walk with sex. But it is only when he is drunk or angry (i.e. his control is down) that the cat comes out of the bag. Last year he needed to be drunk to openly express his feelings for her, this year it's sex.

And I think we assume Amy is more mature in dealing with this whole situation than she really is. But physical intimacy is her Achilles heel. Like Lio pointed out last week, she is mature and assertive up to the moment he gives her some physical affection, and then crumbles. Last year she acted extremely immaturely pretending to be sick for the same reason: she craves physical affection and will take it any way she can.

I think it is time we face the truth that Amy has flaws and weaknesses. Physical affection is her weakness. And one of her flaws is her inability to let things go. Just look at how she holds onto anger/sadness when she gets mad at someone, or how she would not stop with the innuendos at Penny. She might not mean it, or not realize how they come across, but they might affect the people around her (sounds like anyone else we know, btw?).

We were talking in chat last night about how Amy and Sheldon's disconnect on the issue of sex is that they both have a polar opposite, irrational approach to it. Amy is way too much of an optimist, she has idealized notions of romance and sex and doesn't really know what she is talking about, and indeed when faced with the real deal she freezes up. Or hyperventilates, even in her own fantasies. Which are so innocent for someone with so many sex comments. Sheldon is the opposite. All he sees is negatives, fears, anxieties, germs and sweat and saliva and losing control. Given her comments he might feel that if he gives her a inch she will take a mile. But he ignores all the good stuff that might come with moving forward. It's like the Spoiler Alert thing all over again. She jumps in without thinking, he freezes and panics. So, yes, Kaplan is spot on: there's a lot of "mind reading" that is assumed by both here. She told him she wants "more" but didn't really tell him that "more" means. He told her he hasn't "ruled it out" but he hasn't told her he is actively working on it and what his fears are like he did with Penny.

Now, I'm aware that this is a lot of analysis and the general audience unfortunately will not get it. They will see her as the sex starved one that puts up with Sheldon's crap and gets shot down all the time. And that is partly true, but it seems like the writers want to take that route unfortunately. The only worry I have right now is: is this a way to set up a bit of a shake-up in the relationship, like we discussed, or is this a way for the writers to put the blame for their unwillingness and inability to move Sheldon forward on Amy? If this is just another ploy to slow things down even further, I don't know how long I will keep caring, because I honestly don't know how much further Amy can back off before she backs off right out the door. But if this is the end of her sex jokes and the start of the flame going to the moth, then Halleluja!

 

eta: Sorry I keep editing this post but I keep coming up with things I want to say. @dessert, I picked up on that line (well, the theme of the whole episode really) too, but I don't interpret it in terms of a breakup. I don't think Shamy will break up over this one thing, because every single episode this season we have seen them be closer than ever before and happier than ever before. They have this one giant tweepodok in the room that they can't keep ignoring though. The problem is, there's only so many times the writers can keep addressing the issue while keeping Sheldon ambiguous about it. It worked the first time, I don't know that it will work a second time. They need to make their mind up about Sheldon's "deal", because if they really think committing on it is too much for them, then having such an unbalanced relationship that is totally skewed in favor of what Sheldon wants is not funny and they should seriously consider pulling the plug on it. If he has such massive issues to overcome and they drag it out because they're working on it together, fine. That is amazing. But if the point is that he really isn't into her in that way, only would consider it to please her, and she is the one expected to constantly put her needs aside because he likes it this way, then it's not a healthy relationship. At least not unless they show what other reasons are there that make him her "sweet babboo", because we haven't really seen much of that, especially recently. 

Edited November 14, 2013 by koops

[Chiany]

But if this is the end of her sex jokes and the start of the flame going to the moth, then Halleluja!

 

This is the best and funnies sentence I've seen here in a long time :D

 

But I think you are right in the possibities where they (the writers) are going with Sheldon & Amy's relationship.

I personally keep hoping that they continue on how they build up the previous seasons, the first half usually has some loose moments/innuendo's , with a sweet moment here and there.

 

The 2nd part of the season will contain the better episodes for all couples/storylines.

 

This is the only real reason I am still hanging on atm.

Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy the show, it's just a long wait (not just for Amy)