Spoilers The Shamy - Season 7 Spoilers Only Discussion Thread

[Chiany]

I didn't even notice how dirty that looks. I knew the fact that he wanted to "squirt her in the face" was kind of porntastic and phallic snakes popping out of a long cylinder in a startling manner is... a metaphor for an number of dirty activities.

 

I don't buy the innocent Sheldon act at all.

Didn't think about the snakes thingy.

Sheldon plays dirty

[MJistheBOMB]

You see my avatar? that's me dead because you guys won't stop. Hahaha.

[Chaliceinnana]

Didn't think about the snakes thingy.

Sheldon plays dirty

When I procure my favorite snack, peanut brittle, I look for it in the large Pringle's cans....

 

Seriously, an offer of Grandma candy in a tennis ball container better be sexual innuendo.

Edited November 15, 2013 by Chaliceinnana

[notchinc]

Interesting that a magazine about temptation is on the table while Amy deflowers Sheldon after he pleaded for her special attention. He was so giddy with his squirter in hand but unfortunately he was off the mark and made a mess on himself. Just a summary --- that's all.

FINALLY someone agrees with me. I said this last night and saw the innuendo immediately and squealed all around. The Shamy was flirting all thru their scenes. Watch again!

Plus Shelly was BEGGING for it!

Edited November 15, 2013 by notchinc

[koops]

LOL you guys, I'm seeing this whole thing in a completely different light now. I don't know if there is intentional symbolism on Sheldon's part, but I do question the writers' intentions. Because I did find the whole prank plot rather random, but this gives it a whole new meaning. It is just like Closure last year, that whole episode was a giant sexual metaphor. Oh, and let's not forget their enlightening conversation at the dinner table about phallic symbolism in renaissance paintings. Because that's what everyone talks about at dinner these days.

 

eta: And I know everyone's obsessed with the butt slap, but my video paused on this, and I think it's so adorable. Right after he tells them all "Ain't she great?"

 

 

Edited November 15, 2013 by koops

[Guest I'm not dead Cheryl]

LOL you guys, I'm seeing this whole thing in a completely different light now. I don't know if there is intentional symbolism on Sheldon's part, but I do question the writers' intentions. Because I did find the whole prank plot rather random, but this gives it a whole new meaning. It is just like Closure last year, that whole episode was a giant sexual metaphor. Oh, and let's not forget their enlightening conversation at the dinner table about phallic symbolism in renaissance paintings. Because that's what everyone talks about at dinner these days.

 

eta: And I know everyone's obsessed with the butt slap, but my video paused on this, and I think it's so adorable. Right after he tells them all "Ain't she great?"

 

that screencapped moment is adorable!

 

and yeah, in light of dessertisserved's observations I'm seeing it all differently right now. That magazine on the table is quite suggestive and I wouldn't put it over the writers to do it intentionally.

[bigbangsheldon]

 

eta: And I know everyone's obsessed with the butt slap, but my video paused on this, and I think it's so adorable. Right after he tells them all "Ain't she great?"

 

I saw that. It kinda looks like he would put his arm around her... of course not.

[Redrose]

My feelings just after reading the 7.10 taping report...

 

 

But thanks to Meg (and welcome btw) and Koops posts, I felt way better about this. Even If this F*k**g Sh*t makes me want to punch the writers in the face sometimes...

I hope that this smudge will lead us to cease all the sex/pressure plot. That's really the only positive point at this state. My deep thought is that maybe the writers will use all of these small cutting comments to guide us slowly but surely in a kind of big Shamy plot at the end of the season. They're preparing the ground... or I'm completly wrong and frankly I hope so ! I'm rather a fan of the baby step progress without any hollywoody drama. That's too common and the Shamy don't need it.

Edited November 15, 2013 by Redrose

[Chrystalie]

I'm in the same state, Redrose.
I hope you're right about the fact that "they're preparing the ground".

 

[koops]

I honestly don't think these writers do "big Hollywood drama". When I say that I think it *might* lead to things coming to a head I mean it relatively to the tradition of the show. A big moment like the D&D was, or Flaming Spittoon was. And I think it's obvious with these writers that even after those big moments things do not suddenly change and the issues totally disappear. They will probably be at different places as far as physical intimacy is concerned for a long time.

 

I do believe that Shamy need to clear the air and be more straightforward about what they mean and what they need and what they want from each other. I think they're both trying not to say too much or too little and end up confusing each other in the process because it's something they literally have no idea how to navigate. And nobody is really helping them out either, if you think about it. Raj was actually the first who ever tried to help. Penny in the past only tried to encourage Amy to date Stuart or to make a scene. Bernadette was also encouraging to cheat. They don't get it. Sheldon has literally been working it all out on his own. And the only time he gets advice, again, people don't get their relationship and he gets into trouble like in Workplace by listening to Howard. Or by copying his parents or his dad because he has no frame of reference. It's admirable that he's putting in so much effort, but it's really hit and miss. 

 

As much as they are always upfront with each other about everything else, intimacy is the one thing they walk around on eggshells about. I mean, look at Sheldon in Spoiler Alert, he did not want to hurt her feelings and ended up pissing her off in the process. And she *was* pressuring him at the time. She didn't mean to, but she was. Amy has a way of going over the top when she's into someone. Which is kind of endearing because she was so lonely her whole life that she is like an overexcited puppy. Sursonica was spot on about how it took a coming to head for Amy's obsession with Penny to stop, and maybe this is leading to that. Actually, again, this is one of those things Shamy share. Sheldon is also an overexcited puppy when he's into something or someone. Look at Proton. 

 

This might be the same thing again. She didn't want to pressure him too much in 6x23 and ended up probably not being very clear about what she wants from him right now. But she keeps making those comments and maybe he does let them get to him after all. And the more time he buys, the more he must feel the pressure (kind of like the writers, really). I was talking with Lio about this yesterday and we were saying how it might be much better for Sheldon to feel pressured now, mostly in his head, thinking that if he does make a move she will want everything right there and then, and then actually realize that's not what she means and there was no need to feel so stressed out than, say, they do start kissing and only then he realizes it's too much for him and freaks out. That would be far worse. 

 

Just like he made her his EC after she eased the pressure from him after Spoiler Alert and with the V-day date, he might make a move if she eases the pressure of the comments off of him. And God knows we'll all be damn glad when the comments are finally gone for good. And it might help the audience receive it a lot better too, if he makes the move in a context where it no longer comes across as if she's desperate to get him into bed. Finger crossed.

 

Either that, or they really don't want to change Sheldon at all, and this is just another excuse to put them on the backburner. I hope not.

Edited November 15, 2013 by koops

[Susana Alcira]

I think the BIG SHAMY PLOT will be during the second part of the season, but not at the end of S7 May be after ep 15...... It´s a feeling.......  

[Lionne]

Anyone notice he's wearing that jacket over the same Batman tee-shirt he was wearing when he asked her out? With a grey jacket - her favorite color?

 

Deliberately trying to appeal to her there?

Edited November 15, 2013 by Lionne

[Guest I'm not dead Cheryl]

Anyone notice he's wearing that jacket over the same Batman tee-shirt he was wearing when he asked her out?

 

I noticed the shirt, but, is that a new jacket too?

[Lionne]

I noticed the shirt, but, is that a new jacket too?

 

Not sure the jacket is new, he has a grey suit. Although I thought the jacket looked a little bit on the cheaper side, and I wonder if wardrobe bought it because they knew it would be getting wet and might get stained. It's possible just to be thrown away in the long run.

[koops]

Yeah, it's new. His suit jacket is different, it's darker and has larger lapels.

[Susana Alcira]

The important thing is the BATMAN T-SHIRT. Like in 5 x 10!!!!!!

[Redrose]

I think the writers know that the sex-starved bisexual Amy was beginning to be boring so they stop it abruptly. But the Shamy sexuality business is a much more serious block in the show. I think that they keep it as long as possible (because the public still laugh at that...less now tough), like gnaw that joke to the bone until they finally decide HOW they're going to solve it in an original, funny and maybe romantic way. I felt reading many interviews that the writers are very sensitive while wrinting these too. The V-day ep rewriting is a solid proof. They are irresolute, afraid at the impact on the two of them because their sexless relationship is one of the biggest definition of the Shamy.

If this is the case, I just want to send them some very good fanfictions and tell them : SEE?! IT'S POSSIBLE to have physical shamy and still be IC and very funny  !! What's your problem ?!?

[ShamyVixen]

You guys absolutely crack me up! Haven't laughed this hard in a while. Thanks for making my day!

Also I love that sheldon is twisting his pelvis towards her pelvis....very suggestive.
I now see a whole new level to that flower seen lol! so cheeky!
Although with that 'pleeease' he could get anything..

 

Edited November 15, 2013 by ShamyVixen

[koops]

I think the writers know that the sex-starved bisexual Amy was beginning to be boring so they stop it abruptly. But the Shamy sexuality business is a much more serious block in the show. I think that they keep it as long as possible (because the public still laugh at that...less now tough), like gnaw that joke to the bone until they finally decide HOW they're going to solve it in an original, funny and maybe romantic way. I felt reading many interviews that the writers are very sensitive while wrinting these too. The V-day ep rewriting is a solid proof. They are irresolute, afraid at the impact on the two of them because their sexless relationship is one of the biggest definition of the Shamy.

If this is the case, I just want to send them some very good fanfictions and tell them : SEE?! IT'S POSSIBLE to have physical shamy and still be IC and very funny  !! What's your problem ?!?

 

You think that joke hasn't been gnawed to the bone already? If they don't stop with it soon, I will seriously start question their respect for Amy as a character. I mean, if Sheldon really has such massive issues, the fact that she keeps nagging about sex behind his back, when he's not even near ready to kiss her, is not very nice. And if all she really desires is just some affection, to the point she'll take any crumbs or have to pretend to be sick to get it, because some people might flip if Sheldon hugs his girlfriend, then you are really being cruel as a writer. You can progress Shamy without it revolving around sex. At this pace, I'm seriously questioning whether Sheldon will be ready for sex before the end of the show, assuming they don't go beyond 10. Are they planning to continue having one joke every single episode on this for 3 years? I hope to cod not. 

 

Also, that is what angers me the most. The biggest definition of Shamy should NOT be the sexless relationship. It should be the couple of weirdos. The couple that live their relationship in their own, absurd, quirky way and have a lot more going on than when or whether they will have sex. That's what Chuck Lorre was so proud about. The fact that they have now narrowed the focus onto this whole sexless relationship tv cliche is downright depressing, and I'd like to repeatedly fish-slap whoever came up with this idea. 

[NutMeg]

 I was talking with Lio about this yesterday and we were saying how it might be much better for Sheldon to feel pressured now, mostly in his head, thinking that if he does make a move she will want everything right there and then, and then actually realize that's not what she means and there was no need to feel so stressed out than, say, they do start kissing and only then he realizes it's too much for him and freaks out. That would be far worse. 

 

Just like he made her his EC after she eased the pressure from him after Spoiler Alert and with the V-day date, he might make a move if she eases the pressure of the comments off of him. And God knows we'll all be damn glad when the comments are finally gone for good. And it might help the audience receive it a lot better too, if he makes the move in a context where it no longer comes across as if she's desperate to get him into bed. Finger crossed.

 

Either that, or they really don't want to change Sheldon at all, and this is just another excuse to put them on the backburner. I hope not.

 

This is exactly my line of thinking on it. If this is indeed the case, then it's DEFINITELY better for him to be dealing with pressure now and holding back than just jumping into it. Pressure means that he has anxiety. That's negative for him, but it means that he's putting a lot of thought into it. It carries a lot of weight in his mind for it to be able to apply pressure. If he is pressured, then he needs to deal with it...be able to resolve the issue and let it go slowly and smoothly (outbursts are not the way, but it's something...I pray that they don't continue though). In all likelihood, the pressure is coming mostly from himself. Nobody affects Sheldon Copper like Sheldon Cooper. He's well aware that this is an issue, and it's all because of him (and more specifically, his issues that have been causing issues for him his entire life, making him a weirdo, a freak)...that's enough to put pressure on anyone. Amy's comments that might or might not be getting to him only build on top of the pressure he's likely already placed on himself. Also, I think it's important to note that Amy is not the only person to ever comment on Sheldon's issues with sex to his face. It's no secret (and in fact is often a punchline within the group) that Sheldon's not having sex with Amy, and knowing that everyone in his circle is also aware of such an intimate issue could add to the pressure. That's why I say that I can't see Sheldon's outburst in 7.10 as a condemnation of Amy, necessarily (although, jeez Louise the comments need to stop, and this could help with that). An outburst like that (completely unprovoked) points to anxiety within himself bubbling over. If Amy made a blatantly sexual request and he shot it down, it would be different, but this is something that's been eating away at him for him to bring it up so randomly. He probably associates Amy with sex in his mind (not just because she makes comments, but also presence of attraction and the fact that this his his biggest personal hurdle)...this causes a lot of stress for him. He's under a huge amount of stress for unrelated things, so his mind is trying to cope with insane levels of stress...enter Amy...in his mind, stress and Amy means sex, and pressure and boom, you get the ingredients for a seemingly random outburst. 

 

That's just one way to explain it. I've seen other people here touch on the idea of projection, which is also possible. Again, Sheldon's under stress and pressure in general...only adding to the pressure that he already places on himself with "working on it", so there's the idea in his mind. He's not thinking clearly or fully as he would be normally. Amy comes in and says something (depending on how upset he actually is, it's possible he didn't even hear or comprehend what she actually said, under pressure, he could have just heard her voice talking to him) and so there's the similar association--Amy and pressure, HIS mind immediately goes to sex once she makes the suggestion, and he can't handle it (due to anxiety, shame, or just discomfort in thinking about it) so he projects that onto her to justify his own thoughts (Well, SHE'S the one mentioning sex, it's not MY fault that it came into my head). It's a classic defense mechanism, and another very possible explanation. 

 

Either way, I think it's clear that he's pressured, which is good. He NEEDS to feel pressure. Feeling pressure is motivation for change. Also, to your point, Koops, if he's trying to handle the pressure slowly, instead of jumping into it because he knows she wants it (which is the easy and sloppy way out really, relieves the pressure, rips off the band aid) then it means that he wants to deal with his anxiety first, which means it's important enough to him to justify the effort, and that in his mind, it should be perfect...when he's ready. 

 

Those are the explanations that come to my mind, but again, yes, it could just be way to manufacture some conflict and say HEY GUYS SHELDON IS NOT READY, which would be a great way to delay progress and keep on the same track. I am choosing to think better of the writers at the moment (mostly because I like my explanation better than the idea that the writers are doofus-heads), but I accept that I might be giving them too much credit. 

 

 Also, that is what angers me the most. The biggest definition of Shamy should NOT be the sexless relationship. It should be the couple of weirdos. The couple that live their relationship in their own, absurd, quirky way and have a lot more going on than when or whether they will have sex. That's what Chuck Lorre was so proud about. The fact that they have now narrowed the focus onto this whole sexless relationship tv cliche is downright depressing, and I'd like to repeatedly fish-slap whoever came up with this idea. 

 

Agreed. Completely. I have a feeling there's a line for the fish slapping. From what I can tell, Shamy shippers are organized, so there's probably a number-taking system in place as well. 

 

ETA:

 

I noticed the crushed can too! Meg's my new best friend

 

I'm serious, that crushed can is doing things to my heart. That probably says something about me. Anyway, yes...we can be besties and get drunk and crush cans BECAUSE IT'S MEANINGFUL DAMMIT! 

Edited November 16, 2013 by NutMeg

[dessertisserved]

 

Agreed. Completely. I have a feeling there's a line for the fish slapping. From what I can tell, Shamy shippers are organized, so there's probably a number-taking system in place as well. 

 

 

Meg,

Welcome.  

 

Just to let you know that for a while now I've been pretty ticked at the writers.  I won't take a number.  If this sh** keeps up I'm just gonna bust into the writer's room with my homey!

 

[koops]

Oh my God, Meg. I never thought about the jokes the group make at his expenses. He might not have picked up on them before 6x23, but after seeing how it affected Amy maybe he started noticing it all more. He is definitely way more observant now than he used to be.

 

"You're just an emotionless robot, aren't you?". "Sheldon Cooper doesn't cry."/"No. You would rust." 

 

Penny teasing them about Date Night and telling Amy to rip his clothes off and take him on the restaurant table. 

 

"You don't know what a sex tape is, do you?". I remember someone saying that it made no sense he wouldn't know what it is and that his way of saying "No" sounded a lot like he just wanted to play dumb and change the topic in response to the tease. Now, knowing he snaps over a totally innocent walk, I'm starting to believe that it might have been true that he just wanted to dismiss the tease. 

 

Last, but not the least, the biggest jab he's received this season, probably: "I'm trying to find something beloved to her and ruin that."/"Because her life wasn't enough?" Ouch.

 

eta: btw, can you explain the crushed can deal? I don't get it.

Edited November 16, 2013 by koops

[notchinc]

eta: btw, can you explain the crushed can deal? I don't get it.

 

The crushed can signifies that Sheldon took Mike's invitation to join him for beer and football to actual heart.  It may have started as politeness, but throughout the activity he grew to thoroughly enjoy the moment.  He's carefree and is truly enjoying himself, despite himself.  He switched chairs (closer contact to Mike), he belches Pi (showing off to Mike) and he crushes the beer can cause he crushed that SH*T.  When I crush cans, its after I thoroughly enjoy a cold one and I show the can my appreciation by crushing it.  

[koops]

Oh I see! LOL Crushed cans drive me nuts. Can must be intact and simmetric at all times. Or completely crushed flat for disposal purposes. I would never crush one or I would then spend ages trying to restore its shape in vain.

[phantagrae]

Oh I see! LOL Crushed cans drive me nuts. Can must be intact and simmetric at all times. Or completely crushed flat for disposal purposes. I would never crush one or I would then spend ages trying to restore its shape in vain.

 

With apologies to Penny, Koops, you big weirdo!  I love that you're in my life!