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I also love how the part he's supposed to squeeze to get the water to squirt is right at his crotch of all places. Hahaha. I couldn't help but notice as I watched it on TV.

 

I think it's in his left hand in his jacket pocket.

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In every taping report the language of the Strawberry Quik scene is a little different, so I don't know which one is the most accurate, but the overall sense I get from the exchange is that Sheldon li

About the kiss (they showed it to us!) *he put his hands on her waist when he moved his body closer to hers. *he said, "good" after she said, "that was nice." * he spoke as if he was going to fai

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The squirter is in his pants pocket but on the left. 

 

I've just checked previous episodes and the monkeys do make their first appearance in Fish Guts, and we know that was deliberate. I really wish they had gone with the original monkey idea instead of showing the stuff on screen. Last episode before that that we saw Amy's apartment was TLA and the monkeys are not there. I really want to keep track of where they place them from now on :p

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The squirter is in his pants pocket but on the left. 

 

I've just checked previous episodes and the monkeys do make their first appearance in Fish Guts, and we know that was deliberate. I really wish they had gone with the original monkey idea instead of showing the stuff on screen. Last episode before that that we saw Amy's apartment was TLA and the monkeys are not there. I really want to keep track of where they place them from now on :p

 

"Just monkeys, monkeys, monkeys."

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I don't think we will know anything until after tape night. No one is going as of right now so we will probably just get a very brief summary, if that. :(

Are we sure no one is going?  I thought Tomasina got standby tickets for the next one and the one after as well.

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Are we sure no one is going?  I thought Tomasina got standby tickets for the next one and the one after as well.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure she's got standby tickets for the next two tapings.

Still without clues about 7 x11? Will it be a HOLIDAYS episode? Who knows about it? Nobody!?!? :unsure:

Since we haven't had any sides or random tweets, we don't have any advance information, but Tuesday will come soon enough. :)

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In the original idea for Fish Guts, the camera was meant to span to the three monkeys as soon as the "naughty" stuff started happening (Jim has mentioned this more than once in interviews, he talks about it at Paley too), which would have been so much better than what they ended up doing. Sometimes less truly is more. So they were meant to represent ambiguity about whether what happened off screen was innocent or not so innocent. I'm sure Lio can come in and write her essay about this anytime :p They were deliberately put in for that reason, they are not seen in any previous episode. 

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In the original idea for Fish Guts, the camera was meant to span to the three monkeys as soon as the "naughty" stuff started happening (Jim has mentioned this more than once in interviews, he talks about it at Paley too), which would have been so much better than what they ended up doing. Sometimes less truly is more. So they were meant to represent ambiguity about whether what happened off screen was innocent or not so innocent. I'm sure Lio can come in and write her essay about this anytime :p They were deliberately put in for that reason, they are not seen in any previous episode. 

 

I understand the less is more statement, but I am glad they changed their mind about it.

We had seen so few moments of true intimacy between Amy & Sheldon, I liked the way they portrayed it.

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I guess I don't really count the spanking as a moment of true intimacy at all. And I'm not much of a fan of the way they portrayed those scenes as Sheldon being detached and oblivious to the sexual connotations while Amy was almost a horndog. There was way too much playing on Amy's sexual awareness and Sheldon's ambiguity for me to really enjoy those scenes, whereas panning to the monkeys would have left the ambiguity to both and left you wonder what was going on between them. I'm really glad the bath happened off camera for that reason.

 

My favorite moments from that episode are the part where Sheldon goes back to take care of her and the part where he reads to her. That, to me, is very sweet and intimate and domestic and showing such a nurturing and kind side of Sheldon. 

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I completely agree here, Koops. That scene just KILLS me, because they were *so close* to making that spanking scene have some real meaning. The three monkeys (in Western culture at least, I'm pretty sure it means something different in the East...must consult the monkey expert, Lio) means morally "looking away" or turning away from moral responsibility for something that you would consider inappropriate, feigning ignorance. Since these monkeys were specifically brought in (and made a big deal about) for this scene, then there would be no other conclusion to make than Sheldon is feigning ignorance about what he's actually doing. He's aware of what this means, but he's using the punishment excuse to allow himself to morally cover his eyes to the whole thing. That would have been huge. Instead, we have a scene that shows a disconnect between Sheldon and Amy's motivations, and it creates a situation showing very little actual intimacy (again, more intimacy was shown in the care that he gave to Amy in prior scenes). To me, that scene shows  two people that aren't on the same page, and I don't like seeing that with Sheldon and Amy, who operate very much in sync. 

 

Even still, I would like to think that the writers had that intention with making Sheldon's motivations for the spank more than what they were, and in the last minute someone decided to go with shock over substance, so the intentions are still there? Maybe? It's difficult to spin that since removing the monkeys  made Sheldon's motivation so unclear. (Lord knows I keep trying to spin it, though.) I do find it interesting that many people who really enjoyed that scene immediately picked up on the idea that Sheldon was more aware than he was letting on, without any clear indication from the writers...I wonder if it's Jim's acting (as he said he had prepared for the scene with the monkeys all week) that made some people instinctively pick up on this? Or maybe it's just a preconceived notion of where Sheldon is in his sexual development, which would also be valid...I mean, this was just a little while after he made a full blown (ha...pun not intended) chicken pecking joke, so some feigned innocence might not be uncharacteristic here, whether it was spelled out for us with the monkeys or not. Still though, just watching the scene alone, it's unclear to me, which drives me crazy because I can tell that the writers originally wanted to go a different way with it. 

 

All of that aside, the episode does point out their developing intimacy with everything that Sheldon did to help her, and the frank discussion about trust that happened towards the end. That was all beautiful, and was a good lead up to Love Spell where Sheldon explains that he feels extremely close to Amy...we can really see that in action way back in Fish Guts.

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I do find it interesting that many people who really enjoyed that scene immediately picked up on the idea that Sheldon was more aware than he was letting on, without any clear indication from the writers...I wonder if it's Jim's acting (as he said he had prepared for the scene with the monkeys all week) that made some people instinctively pick up on this?

 

Well, I think he was aware of the sexual meaning it had (for Amy), because of the line that she should not be enjoying this.

 

And I understand that it might have had more meaning if they had chosen not to show the spanking at all.

After watching Jim explaining the original plan (on the Paley fest panel), I felt they went half way between doing it the 3 monkey way (not showing the naughty) and showing it all.

 

They did show the spanking and the vaporub rubbing (assuming that was the first naughty?), but chose not to show the bathing scene.

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Never knew about the 3 monkeys thing, thats very interesting. 
My view is that sometime between deciding on the spanking and carrying it out sheldon partly realised it was sexual, especially as he is wary of the music and tells amy she isn't supposed to be enjoying it. Like Chiany said I feel the scene was halfway between sheldon is just punishing her and is oblivious to the sexual aspect of it and Shelly knows its sexual and maybe the punishment is a cover up...

I have always been so curious about the bath scene. Was she fully naked? Did he really bathe a naked amy farrah fowler? He must have used gloves right? Did he enjoy it!?!?

So many unanswered questions:(

 

 

 

Lionne : 

That Sheldon's whole "I can't see your sexual hints, can't hear your sexual hints, won't say anything sexually suggestive and seem to mean it" is a big act. Notice that the monkey appear when Sheldon wants to give Amy a bath, the monkeys appear when Sheldon apparently comes up at random with the desire to spank Amy, that the monkeys appear when Sheldon wants to rub something on Amy's chest, that the monkeys appear when Sheldon wants to pull a prank on Amy that involves bringing her close to him and....I can't believe I'm typing this....things getting wet. No matter what's on the surface, the monkeys suggest that it's an act, and that Sheldon's motives are not so pure, and that he's exploring some sort of naughty boundary in his usual indirect and probably rather messed up kind of way.

Your post was really insightful, especially this part. All this 'monkey business' has got me thinking, and I now believe/agree that Sheldon kind of wanted to do those things does, He does have ulterior motives that are not so innocent as he'd like people to believe. I like it ..

At least we know that if he did see her naked, he'll never forget it.. ;) (eidetic memory ftw.)

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I have always been so curious about the bath scene. Was she fully naked? Did he really bathe a naked amy farrah fowler? He must have used gloves right? Did he enjoy it!?!?

So many unanswered questions:(

At least we know that if he did see her naked, he'll never forget it.. ;) (eidetic memory ftw.)

 

I brought the same point of before, I believe he did see her naked in there.

Not sure if he enjoyed it, but he did not mind at least.

 

And it's pretty safe to assume Amy enjoyed it, based on the look she threw Bernadette, before dissapearing in the bathroom.

 

Another reason why I think Sheldon has seen her naked is in the Parking lot episode, where she showed him her waxed bikini zone, in the back of her car....

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I agree with both of you, Meg and Lio, as always.

 

The only thing is that I honestly don't feel like Sheldon's issues are effing tragic or he's so screwed up he'd be depressing to watch on his own. If anything, I think seeing someone with his issues navigate through the world and even being able to negotiate a relationship as successfully as he has over the past three years (bumps aside) is actually very heart-warming. That's one of the reasons I always appreciated the show and despise fanfiction that turns Sheldon in this moody, dark and dramatic messed up character. The show takes issues and goes "Look, it doesn't have to be all doom and gloom all the time". The reason why I personally feel like the Sheldon show is not sustainable is because it's thanks to the people around him that even issues like his can be made heart-warming and inspiring. And I would hate for the show to lose that kind of approach to the whole thing in the name of drama and tension. There are plenty of dramas out there who tackle this kind of issues, but I've never seen a show do it in such a feel-good manner.

 

As for the whole "deal" business, like I was telling you the other day, Lio, I think it's very much the case of that Sheldon's acceptance and awareness of his emotions and his sexual desires do not go hand in hand. Emotionally, he's miles ahead than sexually. I broke down the last 3 1/2 seasons in terms of emotional development as:

 

"Amy wants a boyfriend, take her off my hands" --> She's not for you! --> With the understanding that nothing changes, whatsoever, I will allow us to label you as my girlfriend --> "You're my girlfriend..." (multiple times in S6) --> "We are a couple, she's my cute little lump of wool, isn't she great!!!!"

 

Now look at the sexual progression:

 

Nothing --> Fascinating --> Don't stop/Unconscious handholding --> "Working on it"/D&D sex --> Drunken ass slap as of the most recent development --> ?

 

The D&D sex, to me, is the equivalent of "With the understanding that nothing changes, whatsoever, we can have pretend role play sex". So, for all intents and purposes, Sheldon's "deal" is about 1 1/2 - 2 seasons behind the point he's at emotionally. Following the season of "With the understanding that nothing changes", we had him accept his role as a boyfriend and state this out loud multiple times. And that started off from a drunken confession to Penny about being scared she'd leave him. So, I'm hoping that what we're seeing right now, with the drunken ass-slaps and declarations of pride in his girlfriend, is the beginning of that acceptance we saw in S6. And because there wasn't one defining moment in the above timeline of emotional progress where Sheldon went from "Take her off my hands!" to "My cute little lump of wool!", I expect the sexual aspect of this relationship to develop in a similar manner. I am done with waiting for the episode where things will suddenly change because, frankly, it's unlikely to ever come. Chances are we will wake up to a script in S8 where we are all going to go OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS IS HAPPENING! only to look back on what happened in S7 and realize that it was a gradual buildup to the physical equivalent of the "cute little lump of wool" all season long. Or, at least, that's what I'm hoping. 

 

As for the bath, I wouldn't be surprised if at some point that were to be referenced again. Until then, I think the writers deliberately wanted to leave the possibilities open and that's why they had it happen off screen. Not that I think they would have ever shown the proper bath on screen (LOL this is 8pm television) but if they had wanted to make the point, one way or the other, about Sheldon seeing her naked, they would have shot the scene in a way that made that point come across very clearly. Instead, we hear him call out to her from the bathroom and, next thing we know, he's suddenly decided to call her bluff. Given what we found out in 6x14 about his reasons to do all the things he did, I find it interesting that the bath is where he drew the line.

 

eta: And, yes, his bath suggestion came right on the heels of the episode about the bikini wax. Did someone want to get a better look?

 

I also find that when people complain about these characters, and Sheldon in particular, not developing organically, is because we are used to a type of television that spells things out for you and takes you by the end through life-altering events that change the course of the character's history. But, in reality, people don't change like that, they do evolve more along the lines of what Sheldon is doing, like Jim was saying in the Electromagnetism interview: it's a constant series of bigger or smaller blips and he's not going to suddenly stop doing X or suddenly start doing Y, but, rather, he will start doing Y while still occasionally doing X, until X slowly fades away for the most part. That's what happened with his embracing of being a boyfriend and being a couple. And, of course, it's often artificially dragged out for business and storytelling decisions too. 

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The Parking spot was 6 x 9 and The Fish Gots was next to it, 6 x 10. And when Sheldon tells P/L he is quite fond of Amy, he ONLY mentions the rubbing chest(it was on 6 x 14)And, as we know, SHAMY didn´t mention to P/L what really happened during D&D in 6 x 23!

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