Spoilers The Shamy - Season 7 Spoilers Only Discussion Thread

[Chiany]

The Parking spot was 6 x 9 and The Fish Gots was next to it, 6 x 10. And when Sheldon tells P/L he is quite fond of Amy, he ONLY mentions the rubbing chest(it was on 6 x 14)And, as we know, SHAMY didn´t mention to P/L what really happened during D&D in 6 x 23!

 

yeah that 6 x 23 is also kind of a riddle, because even thought it was done in the D & D game, it still would tells us much if we knew what that 14 really mend.

 

I mean, did it mean a breast, or something even more (or less) intimate?

It would tell us a lot about Sheldon's mind.

[Susana Alcira]

It means that Sheldon  IS NOT so inocent and naiive as many think he is!!!!  

Edited November 20, 2013 by Susana Alcira Cairó

[rachelshamyfan]

He never has been!

[denajeanx]

I think Sheldon is aware of what he is doing with Amy, 100% of the time. It seems to me that he plays the innocence/oblivious card to mask the deep anxiety of how he feels about her sexually and emotionally. I am almost certain that he is sexually attracted to her, whether he wants to admit it to himself or not. As for whether he will act on it, we will just have to wait and see.

The only way I see their relationship substantially progressing at this point is by having a "sit down" and laying it all out. That means Sheldon needs to be bluntly honest with Amy about his feelings emotionally and sexually (no "I am working on it" crap). It will be uncomfortable but it needs to happen. The same goes for Amy. If they get everything out in the open, I think Amy will feel more secure and Sheldon will feel less anxious.Then they can begin progressing in their own "couple of weirdos" way.

As for the bath scene mentioned earlier, I believe she was naked and he got quite an eye show. Beyond that, my mind takes me to places not appropriate to discuss here. LOL.

Edited November 20, 2013 by denajeanx

[Chiany]

As for the bath scene mentioned earlier, I believe she was naked and he got quite an eye show. Beyond that, my mind takes me to places not appropriate to discuss here. LOL.

 

Maybe you should right a 1 chapter fanfiction about it then (or just tell us here)

[Susana Alcira]

I think she was not TOTALLY naked in the bath scene, but enough to make him think THINGS!!

[bigbangsheldon]

Tomsina has tix for 12 and 13.

[Chaliceinnana]

Tomsina has tix for 12 and 13.

Her taping reports are methodical. She must have an eidetic memory.

 

Doesn't Monique have tickets for 12?

[bigbangsheldon]

Her taping reports are methodical. She must have an eidetic memory.

 

Doesn't Monique have tickets for 12?

yep 

[rachelshamyfan]

Look forward to the reports when they come

[phantagrae]

I think that Jim has said that Sheldon was not thinking sexually in Fish Guts, while Amy was certainly enjoying herself.  I think that if that's his understanding, then that's the way he played it (subtextually), then that's the interpretation I have to go with.

 

I also wonder if the writers are actually trying to appease the different fandom factions, or if that's simply the way it seems.  I don't know that they pander that much to the fan factions.  I think that would become impossible to do if they're wanting to tell their own story in their own time.

 

I think that the push-me/pull-you aspect of the Shamy development simply comes from that snail/turtle metaphor.  They are still bent on highlighting the difference in Sheldon and Amy's perception of how quickly they're moving forward--Amy feels the slowness, Sheldon feels the speed.  Whether or not their joke choices--like this current fad of Sheldon making comments that Amy sees as double entendres for her POV--may make everyone laugh, still, it's classic "pun intended?" kind of humor that still seems to go over well (the studio audience seems to still be laughing...)

 

I also agree that SHeldon's issues and his background and all of that do not make him a damaged, warped or wounded individual.  For all the oddness of his childhood, he still had loving family members--including his father, as misguided as he might have been--and isn't sitting a corner hallucinating or anything.

 

I think that it's too easy to take the various things that have come up and extrapolate them into more serious issues than the show intends, since they say all these things in the vein of comedy.

To their credit, the writers have also given us moments of more serious insight into the issues these characters have--SHeldon and his difficulty with social interactions and physical touch, etc., Leonard and his insecurity and the cold academic nature of his childhood (but his parents still loved him!), Raj's crippling anxiety and self-esteem issues, Howard's loss of his father and trying to cheer his mother up, Amy's strange, lonely life.

 

But in the end, none of them is suicidal or clinically depressed (well, except maybe poor little Stuart...) or gibbering in an institution.

 

What I really love is when we see them with their issues and how their friends both chide and understand them.

One of my favorite moments from last season was in the Streetcar episode, when Sheldon goes over to thank Penny for helping him with his FWF episode, but she opens the door before he can do "his knocking thing".  He says it's okay, because he hadn't yet started.

What I love is that Penny immediately understands, when she sees him there with his hand raised to knock, and then his hesitation, and she offers to indulge him.

He says he's okay, but he still feels the need to get those knocks and "Penny"s out there.  And I love when he knocks and then kind of hides his hand behind his back, like he knows it's weird and he's a little embarrassed, but he still knows he has to do it.

 

At any rate, I think that the writers aren't too concerned with really deep psycoanalysis of the characters on an episode-by-episode basis, though I think they draw on the broader strokes of each character as needed.

I think that they certainly don't want to get too far too fast with SHeldon and Amy, primarily because they decided some time ago that they weren't going to throw them into real sexual waters too quickly.  So I think the game for them becomes how to ease the Shamy into the shallowest bit of the pool without letting them slip into the deep water too soon.

While the Shamy fans are sitting in the water going, "Come on in! The water's fine!!"

Right now it's as if Sheldon and Amy are standing in a puddle, with Amy maybe a little deeper in than Sheldon and Sheldon's a little freaked out that his feet are getting wet--but maybe he realizes that the water's warm, after all.

 

Okay, I think I've belabored that metaphor, so...

 

As Lio said above, I know in my bones that the Shamy is endgame and that the writers love them as much as we do.  Their perspective may be different and their gears may be set at a different ratio than ours, but they're still heading for the same goal.  So I'm not worried about jokes and butt-slaps or even "I wished you were dead" or whatever.  I know that Sheldon doesn't really wish that Amy were dead--he's simply petulant.

When it comes down to it, he loves her, even if he can't quite articulate that.  And the reason all that is there is that's how he's being written.

 

So I look at the big picture and don't let myself get caught in the pixels.

[bigbangsheldon]

Yay for Meg, Lio and Spookie for keeping me sane.

[Lionne]

Yay for Meg, Lio and Spookie for keeping me sane.

 

I try.

 

As for just how serious Sheldon's issues are - Meg, I'm "delegating" that task to you.

 

My only note on the subject is that you don't have to be in a padded cell in order to have serious issues. The criteria is - are they getting in the way of your quality of life? And I think that, if you believe that Sheldon wants to progress his relationship with Amy to include sexual congress, marriage, stability, a family, or any of the things down the road he probably wants to give her, I would say that they are. That's really the whole part of the relationship that makes it compelling. Sheldon's coping and defensive mechanisms worked for him for a long time, and he was functional for the most part with daily assistance from Leonard and the occasional complete and utter rescue by his mother - which, by the way, doesn't qualify for me as a functional grown up. When you need to have your mother come once or twice a year in order to pull your feet out of the fire because of some screw up you made, or because you haven't even left your apartment for 3 weeks, your supposed functionality and independence is a pretty god damn thin illusion.

 

They work even less for him now - in fact, he's been in the process of unspooling them for awhile. That's what "working on it" even means. On his own, and not sharing his little snail-like process with anyone else, it's going slowly. Frankly, he'd probably do better in a therapists office, but I don't think Sheldon's pride would allow him to go anywhere near one. So, anyway - moot point. 

 

Also, apologies for not crediting Koops on the process thing she mentioned, and getting it wrong. She explained it better than I did.

[AdAstra]

https://twitter.com/billprady/status/403331370014871553

 

Tara's on the script cover for 7.11! Also Eric Kaplan, who tweeted about the "biannual performance review" last week. Do we get our hopes up for a Shamy story...?

 

Edit: This was the tweet if anyone hasn't seen it already:

"How many people in relationships give your partner a written biannual performance review?  You should.  Don't expect "mind-reading"!"

 

Make of that what you will!

Edited November 21, 2013 by AdAstra

[LeaGold]

O.o

[Susana Alcira]

TARA HAS ALWAYS BEEN  PRO SHAMY!!!   BUT, WHO IS GOING TO 7 X11, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!??????????

Edited November 21, 2013 by Susana Alcira Cairó

[Misophonia]

Miso please do a one shot!

 

Done! https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9863104/1/The-Ebbinghaus-Seduction

[Chiany]

Done! https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9863104/1/The-Ebbinghaus-Seduction

 

haha so funny, you could really turn this into a story, but it might also better if something was left to the imagination.

Loved the "I've turned into a pervert" line

[stardustmelody]

Done! https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9863104/1/The-Ebbinghaus-Seduction

Wonderful...it was perfect!  Loved it so much.

[rachelshamyfan]

Miso that was fun

[MJistheBOMB]

Great story, Miso.

[phantagrae]

Done! https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9863104/1/The-Ebbinghaus-Seduction

Very enjoyable. Poor Sheldon...

[notchinc]

What if the extraction was something like the removal of something we been waiting for?  This is the way I'm going to think until the 12th or Tuesday night.

[Chiany]

What if the extraction was something like the removal of something we been waiting for?  This is the way I'm going to think until the 12th or Tuesday night.

 

Yep, it could be anything at this point.

Thank god there is a new episode tonight/tomorrow, so we have something else to talk about.

[koops]

What if the extraction was something like the removal of something we been waiting for?  This is the way I'm going to think until the 12th or Tuesday night.

 

The suspicious mole?

 

Kidding. I do wonder whether this is related to the performance review Kaplan mentioned and perhaps tied into the last few eps and all. But I think it is more likely to be something that sets up an arc to continue to February sweeps rather than a resolution of any kind. Perhaps after the performance review Amy starts keeping her distance for one reason or another (annoyance, disillusionment, work, out of kindness if he feels truly pressured) and this will lead to Sheldon wanting the pressure he didn't know he wanted when he had it and to some pay-off in February. A year after the SIK was cut. 

 

I'm not holding my breath though, as I think that these writers are constantly on the verge of biting the bullet with Sheldon and then chicken out every single time, like all those sexual lines being cut prove. I really like Sursonica's "write with the hand, erase with the elbow" symbolism when it comes to this. So true. We shall see.