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7.01 "the Hofstadter Insufficiency" (September 26)

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Even though I'm a shamy fan, I have to say that I really have missed the Sheldon-Penny dynamic that was season 3.  This episode really brought that back for me.  And I just loved Sheldon in both episodes last night.  It's almost like we have him back, but an updated version.  I hope it continues throughout the season. 

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It was really sweet seeing Penny missing Leonard. It's great that Leonard has had a great time on the expedition especially for his career.

Nick, It's so obvious that S/P is a brother/sister relationship in this show and these first 2 episodes only confirm it. Let them live in their own world because it will never happen in this one.

LOL. As if the Shamy's don't live in their own little fantasy world! Glass houses.

 

And I'm not a Shenny. As you said, S/P is a brother/sister relationship and it should stay that way. Their interactions are the best part of the show.

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LOL. As if the Shamy's don't live in their own little fantasy world! Glass houses.

 

And I'm not a Shenny. As you said, S/P is a brother/sister relationship and it should stay that way. Their interactions are the best part of the show.

 

your snark against the Shamys is tiring, neither Carl or Nick are Shamy shippers so, please try to give out your opinion without attacking anyone

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your snark against the Shamys is tiring, neither Carl or Nick are Shamy shippers so, please try to give out your opinion without attacking anyone

Ahhh, so people can be snarky and attack the Shennys but Shamys are off limits? Got it. :fool:

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Ahhh, so people can be snarky and attack the Shennys but Shamys are off limits? Got it. :fool:

I SAID ANYONE-.

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I liked the Bernie/Amy interaction the best in the first episode.  I felt Regina's comeback was rather wasteful.   They can't seem to come up with something good for her.  She is good at delivery, but her role is poorly written.   I think Howard/Raj were far funnier (although disturbing as well) in the second episode than the first.   Overall some funny parts, but I think better episodes are ahead of us.

I liked Bernie/Amy interaction as well, and even if I wasn't convinced when I read the taping report, it was perfectly pulled off on camera, IMO. I disagree with you on Regina King's part. While not too important right now, I feel they might be setting something up for later, and thus keeping the character fresh on our minds. The bit where Howard and Raj are touching each other's man boobs, and the expression when Bernadette walks in on them was gut-busting hilarious for me. I also enjoyed the scene between Sheldon and Stuart at the comic book shop.

I enjoyed the first two episodes - a nice way to open the season - I liked that both were Sheldoncentric after he was mostly left out of the season finale -

 

No he wasn't! He almost ruined Leonard/Penny's goodbye in the car at the airport being so overly pedantic

But I couldn't blame Sheldon for being upset at Leonard for not telling Sheldon he was back, as that was a pretty selfish thing to do on Leonard's part .

 

Really? I don't think so. Any reasonable person would understand Leonard's desire to be with Penny by himself, with no one interrupting him, even his best friend. I understand why Sheldon would react the way he did, he's Sheldon after all. However I have no clue with you would.

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Ahhh, so people can be snarky and attack the Shennys but Shamys are off limits? Got it. :fool:

I'm getting tired of the term Shenny anyway, it lost it's use by S3 DL ep, Plashenny maybe, but I think it's time to let it go, and just enjoy the whole show and all the characters JMO don't jump all over me haha.

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This episode was pretty good. It was not nearly as shocking or OOC as it read in the taping reports.

 

The intriguing thing to me was how they were going to handle the replay of Penny's shower scene. I agree with Yahoo TV's assesment:

 

http://tv.yahoo.com/news/did-himym-preview-proposal-pointless-greys-intern-did-183014376.html

 

"As fun a twist as it was, couldn’t The Big Bang Theory have made up Topless Flashback Penny to look more like a younger, mousy, desperate starlet?"

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This episode was pretty good. It was not nearly as shocking or OOC as it read in the taping reports.

 

The intriguing thing to me was how they were going to handle the replay of Penny's shower scene. I agree with Yahoo TV's assesment:

 

http://tv.yahoo.com/news/did-himym-preview-proposal-pointless-greys-intern-did-183014376.html

 

"As fun a twist as it was, couldn’t The Big Bang Theory have made up Topless Flashback Penny to look more like a younger, mousy, desperate starlet?"

 

Gotta agree - much tamer than perhaps it seemed from taping reports.  I thought Leonard knowing about Penny's topless scene would be an issue and/or that Leonard's partying on the boat would be an issue.  But maybe that will come up in future episodes.  I did see a number of young women on the boat, so who knows if that will get used for a plot in the future.

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I think people got themselves worked up over the topless scene, etc., for no reason, blowing it all out of proportion when it was just a few seconds.

 

People were so sure it was something shameful, as if Penny had done a porno or something, or they were sure that Leonard had done something horrible, like he was showing Penny's boobs to the guys on the ship or something.

 

The way it played in the episode, it wasn't the main focus of the story and the tag is something that will never be brought up again.  Her mention of her "Serial Apeist" role was not intended to be anything major, but somehow people took it too much to heart so that they expected the worst instead of looking at it in context.

 

The co-ed aspect of the researchers will not be brought up, the movie will not be brought up--at least, not in the context of anything to argue about.  They were the most minor of aspects of the episode.  It was about Sheldon and Penny and how they felt about Leonard being gone, contrasted with the idea that he was having a better time than they had first imagined.  But it was not a bone of contention between Penny and Leonard.

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I think people got themselves worked up over the topless scene, etc., for no reason, blowing it all out of proportion when it was just a few seconds.

 

People were so sure it was something shameful, as if Penny had done a porno or something, or they were sure that Leonard had done something horrible, like he was showing Penny's boobs to the guys on the ship or something.

 

The way it played in the episode, it wasn't the main focus of the story and the tag is something that will never be brought up again.  Her mention of her "Serial Apeist" role was not intended to be anything major, but somehow people took it too much to heart so that they expected the worst instead of looking at it in context.

 

The co-ed aspect of the researchers will not be brought up, the movie will not be brought up--at least, not in the context of anything to argue about.  They were the most minor of aspects of the episode.  It was about Sheldon and Penny and how they felt about Leonard being gone, contrasted with the idea that he was having a better time than they had first imagined.  But it was not a bone of contention between Penny and Leonard.

Don't know how typical this is but I don't think I will bother with that thread in the future. The spoiler aspect does not bother me but I can do without the tangential speculation that gets people worked up over nothing.

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Don't know how typical this is but I don't think I will bother with that thread in the future. The spoiler aspect does not bother me but I can do without the tangential speculation that gets people worked up over nothing.

 

I don't think it matters if the information comes from a taping report or from a promo blurb or an interview.  There will always be those who focus on minor details and blow them out of proportion.

 

I love taping reports because even if they're not all that complete or detailed, you get a real feel for the episode, IF you keep an open mind.

 

I think that some people aren't happy unless they have something to wring their hands over.  But it doesn't always happen that way.

 

I think we've had taping reports in the past that most everyone gushes over, so...what can you do?

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I don't think it matters if the information comes from a taping report or from a promo blurb or an interview.  There will always be those who focus on minor details and blow them out of proportion.

 

I love taping reports because even if they're not all that complete or detailed, you get a real feel for the episode, IF you keep an open mind.

 

I think that some people aren't happy unless they have something to wring their hands over.  But it doesn't always happen that way.

 

I think we've had taping reports in the past that most everyone gushes over, so...what can you do?

I think the problem is taping reports can come across as vague and distorted in translation, most of the time the TR does not go into specific detail. And most of the stuff people tend to stress over, translates much better onto tv. I've only been on this site about 3 or so months, but that's my impression from the expereince I have had. 

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I am going to try and comment on each episode separately,.... [snip]

 

I think this might be the season where Sheldon has finally embraced the fact that he has emotions and that he is willing to admit that and confront the people around him about that. He does it with Penny in this episode, and with Leonard in the next. I thought the line "I get it, you're just an emotionless robot", that Sheldon replies to with that "I try" and a smirk, might be very indicative of the overall theme with him this season. He admits that he tries to be emotionless but can't help it. I think S5 might have been the season where he discovered he had emotions, S6 the one where he started accepting it, and this might be the one where he starts to embrace it. And, essentially, both the premiere episodes are about this. Him trying to pretend he doesn't miss Leonard, when he does, and finally confronting him about how hurt he is. He is back to being an unintentional jerk, instead of a cold-hearted jerk (even with Raj "I want you to be happy... but not enough to do something about it"). Great stuff.

 

I love how they handled S/P, I love their friendship and I love that they have learned to appreciate each other. Maybe a few too many Penny-drinking jokes, but I do find it telling that they are kind of pointing out that she's drinking when Leonard is away, sort of like she was drinking when they were broken up. And, in a way, she admits it's a coping mechanism for her. Sheldon uses denial, she uses alcohol.

 

...[snip]

I liked ep 2 better than this one though, although they both left me happy :)

 

I think you are on to something here with Sheldon. Last night I was particularly surprised by Sheldon's reaction to Leonard's deception in ep2. I think you have pointed out here that the key can be seen in ep 1 with Sheldon telling Penny he was hurt by her dismissal of his secret. After 24 hours and thinking about your post I am seeing that Sheldon is beginning to allow himself to admit that he has feelings that can be hurt. I don't remember him ever actually admitting that before. It is quite a breakthrough for him.

 

This could also explain some of the regression that Sheldon has gone through in earlier seasons. In particular I am thinking about the time Penny was giving Sheldon Acting lessons and she says "Pretend you are sad to see him go."

Not long after that she is calling his mother "I think I broke you son."

 

Season 4 Episode 14 – The Thespian Catalyst

 

We can see why Sheldon blocks out his emotions. So while some fans have kind of hated the regression that Sheldon has gone through at times. At times Sheldon acts as if Penny and Leonard are his parents. This regression seems to have been a necessary step in arriving at ep1 and ep2 of season 7.

 

Now I am going to speculate that coming to terms with his emotions is a necessary step for Sheldon before he can become the Man that Amy wants him to be. Also, I am speculating that Sheldon first admits to Penny that she has hurt him because this is relatively safe.  It is going to take a lot more courage to admit to Amy he has feelings.

 

Another pivotal moment in this was when Sheldon asked Penny to not hurt Leonard. This seems to be where he actually starts to care about someone else's feelings (although at first he will only admit he does not like change).

 

S6ep2 The Decoupling Fluctuation

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I think you are on to something here with Sheldon. Last night I was particularly surprised by Sheldon's reaction to Leonard's deception in ep2. I think you have pointed out here that the key can be seen in ep 1 with Sheldon telling Penny he was hurt by her dismissal of his secret. After 24 hours and thinking about your post I am seeing that Sheldon is beginning to allow himself to admit that he has feelings that can be hurt. I don't remember him ever actually admitting that before. It is quite a breakthrough for him.

 

This could also explain some of the regression that Sheldon has gone through in earlier seasons. In particular I am thinking about the time Penny was giving Sheldon Acting lessons and she says "Pretend you are sad to see him go."

Not long after that she is calling his mother "I think I broke you son."

 

Season 4 Episode 14 – The Thespian Catalyst

 

We can see why Sheldon blocks out his emotions. So while some fans have kind of hated the regression that Sheldon has gone through at times. At times Sheldon acts as if Penny and Sheldon are his parents. This regression seems to have been a necessary step in arriving at ep1 and ep2 of season 7.

 

Now I am going to speculate that coming to terms with his emotions is a necessary step for Sheldon before he can become the Man that Amy wants him to be. Also, I am speculating that Sheldon first admits to Penny that she has hurt him because this is relatively safe.  It is going to take a lot more courage to admit to Amy he has feelings.

 

I think that one thing that has always been true about Sheldon is that underneath all of his control and Spock-like aspirations, he is the most emotional of all of the characters.  (That's not my idea, many other posters have contributed to this assessment.)

He pretends he's detached from those around him, but in reality he's very attached, to Leonard, to his group of friends, and now to Amy.  His feelings for her have been strong ever since he first met her.  He'd only known her a few months when they argued and "broke up" and he got 25 cats to compensate.

Once he lets a crack form in the dam, a flood will often follow.  It's no wonder he keeps the dam patched up.

 

And when he plays a game, whether it's a Wii or other computer game, or a card game or whatever, he's all in.  He wears costumes, he IS the Flash, not just a guy in a Flash costume, etc.

 

He needs that seeming-robotic exterior to keep his heart protected.

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Great points, dj and Phanta. In particular, Phanta, I love your dam analogy. That is totally how Sheldon seems to work. He is indifferent until his interest gets piqued, and once that happens he's all in. He has no middle-ground at all. And that can be tiring to deal with on an every-day basis.

 

Re: the co-ed nature of the ship, why is it that as soon as there are women in an environment they have to be used to serve the purpose of telling the story of the male character? I thought it was a great touch from the writers not to turn the ship into a stereotypical testosterone-fueled environment, because that's not what science is anymore. That's the point of the women being on the ship, not so they can imply that Penny will be jealous of these other women. Indeed, that was only brought up as Sheldon's absurd speculation.

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i didnt find this episode very amusing

not a good start for season 7 in my opinion

i mean, the fun and sense of humour was on an okay level

i think previous seasons had better opening episodes

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i didnt find this episode very amusing

not a good start for season 7 in my opinion

i mean, the fun and sense of humour was on an okay level

i think previous seasons had better opening episodes

 

 

What are you expecting that these hilarious episodes were so disappointing to you?

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You know what I find not just with these episodes, but with TBBT overall? That the more I watch them the funnier they become. I notice new jokes and nuances every single time I rewatch them. I have to admit on my very first viewing I didn't find these eps all *that* amusing either. Full of good feelings, but not all that amusing. But the more I re-watched them the more I find myself really laughing out loud. I think this might also be the reason why this show took so long to grow on me, because it's a slow-burn humor. To be honest, I'm happier this way than if it were the other way around. It's a bummer when you think something is awesome on first viewing and when you re-watch it you're all "Oh.".

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You know what I find not just with these episodes, but with TBBT overall? That the more I watch them the funnier they become. I notice new jokes and nuances every single time I rewatch them. I have to admit on my very first viewing I didn't find these eps all *that* amusing either. Full of good feelings, but not all that amusing. But the more I re-watched them the more I find myself really laughing out loud. I think this might also be the reason why this show took so long to grow on me, because it's a slow-burn humor. To be honest, I'm happier this way than if it were the other way around. It's a bummer when you think something is awesome on first viewing and when you re-watch it you're all "Oh.".

 

This is true--and that may also be one reason why the show is so popular on TBS and even when they show reruns on CBS--they often outdo other first-run shows in the ratings even when they air a rerun.

I think that people just don't get over the episodes.  They're just as funny the 10th time around as they were the 1st time, or more so.

 

I know that there have been things I've noticed the 4th or 5th or whatever time I've watched certain episodes.  And even when I can recite the dialog from memory, I'm still laughing at the episodes. :)

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