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7.02 "the Deception Verification" (September 26)


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No I was stating my opinion. You have a different opinion. It's all opinion

haha yeah I know your statement above is the complete basis of my point, I was just stating the fact I have seen several other "opinions" ;) Who have said they loved the two episodes, and thought Kaley gave a brilliant performance, the ratings are in 19 mill and 20 mill. It's okay that you diddn't like the two eps, the whole point of this site is to analyze story archs, storylines, character plots it would be really boring if everyone had the same opinion.

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 The way it ended like that I thought there was going to be a continuation to show that Penny was just dreaming. I guess it must have really happened since part 2 started off completely different.

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Kaley obviously has distractions in her personal life and her career, hopefullu she can get past this and give us the kind of performance we have come to expect.

I understand that this is your opinion. So can I assume you had distractions in your personal life when you were watching  both shows?

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@Ajond : I am sorry to say, but the way you word it doesn't sound like your opinion, but it sounds as what you're stating is fact. When you say Kaley obviously has distractions on her personal life and her career, and that hopefully she can get past this, you are saying it as if it is a given. What is even more offensive is that you are implicitly accusing her of being unprofessional.

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I think your expecting too much, the episode shoulden't have anything to do with Leonard's science acheivements, besides in 7.02 they talked about in the university, Howard was talking about Leonard's finding's can have an impact on science, maybe you missed that scene. I think the writers and Leonard were more concerned about his relationship with Penny, and how much they missed each other. So apart from that one mention by Howard, it diddn't bother me one bit, but depends on you interpreted it I suspose.

 

I wrote that BEFORE the episode aired!  :scratchhead: and why not have some science in a show that is called The Big Bang Theory and started it's life with science lines in almost every episode?

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There were science lines in both, it was just not science focused. There was even a classic Sheldon-factoid about the dung beetle (which I found hilarious, btw, the whole description of all the beetle does with feces cracked me up, because Jim has such a cute little lisp when he pronounces "S"'s sometimes). They even briefly mentioned Leonard's work at lunch before Howard got emotional, :p. Or is Neuroscience not a science? 

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I wrote that BEFORE the episode aired!  :scratchhead: and why not have some science in a show that is called The Big Bang Theory and started it's life with science lines in almost every episode?

 

Oh sorry maybe you should have been more specific, and I agree their should be more science in the show. But if your making comparisons to S1, I think you need to realize these are characters who are all evolving and maturing. The central premise of how Science was the inital theme of the show in terms of the dialogue, just coulden't be sustained over time. All sitcoms need to have new storylines and ideas to prevent stagnitism, so the overall quality doesen't diminish. This is the same with the Simpsons, after so many years it gets stale, it's not that the show's really gone downhill in any serious way, it's just after so many years it just can't have the same impact it used to. That is why it is so remarkeble TBBT ratings are so high, for the record don't take as to what I'm saying as TBBT is getting stale in anyway because it's not, 7.01 & 7.02 felt like S3 classic Sheldon/Penny, classic Lenny, Classic Howard/Raj missed their interaction, and Amy & Bernadette were good too. Point I am trying to make is if the writers and the network want to continue with the show, they need to kerp evolving the initial premise while still keeping it central to the show, the relationships have matured alot, it's just in a more serilized format now. IMO the Science is still as much part of the show as it always had been just more in the plot and story arcs, it's just more subtle now and refined, and less in the dialogue.

 

Besides how do you know their wasent much science seeing you posted it before the eps (I'm assuming your refering to the taping reports) anyway point is these aren't characters who are nerds, but people who happen to be nerds, but are now growing up in their personal life and careers. I think the writers said they are planning on incorporating the science a lot more as the season progresses, doesen't bother me right now, we all know they are physcists, I was more looking forward to how they delt with Leonard's return, seeing it was 3-4 months after the finalie of Season 6. Like I said as the season progresses im sure you well see more science in the show, its almost like if Sheldon is not giving a 5 minute rant about Science, or the guys are not doing experiments theirs this perception theirs a lack of science, I mean tell me between Leonard returning, Howard being a girl, and Sheldon going look at me!, look at me! Lol was their any time for any form of science it just wasent a science focused episode their was a few science lines dealing with Leonard's expedition and Sheldon had a factoid about Beetles, and that was enough for me, anyway like I said its just the first few eps give it time.

There were science lines in both, it was just not science focused. There was even a classic Sheldon-factoid about the dung beetle (which I found hilarious, btw, the whole description of all the beetle does with feces cracked me up, because Jim has such a cute little lisp when he pronounces "S"'s sometimes). They even briefly mentioned Leonard's work at lunch before Howard got emotional, :p. Or is Neuroscience not a science? 

I think your thinking of Geology ;)

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Personally I thought the two episodes were good, not great.  Not sure why.  I have a couple thoughts as to my reaction:  1) having seen some taping reports, I already knew what was coming for a couple of scenes, 2) after a long summer and lots of excitement, my expectations may have been unrealistic.

 

My personal take away - I'm not reading any more taping reports.  For me, I think it may take away from watching the episodes when they air for the first time.

 

I liked Sheldon's telling Penny that he was hurt by her reaction.  But I am not sure how the writers will "humanize" Sheldon without making him unfunny.  He's one character that I think will be a challenge to mature or evolve without destroying the essence of what makes him the comedic center of the show.  JMO

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Personally I thought the two episodes were good, not great.  Not sure why.  I have a couple thoughts as to my reaction:  1) having seen some taping reports, I already knew what was coming for a couple of scenes, 2) after a long summer and lots of excitement, my expectations may have been unrealistic.

 

My personal take away - I'm not reading any more taping reports.  For me, I think it may take away from watching the episodes when they air for the first time.

 

I liked Sheldon's telling Penny that he was hurt by her reaction.  But I am not sure how the writers will "humanize" Sheldon without making him unfunny.  He's one character that I think will be a challenge to mature or evolve without destroying the essence of what makes him the comedic center of the show.  JMO

I dunno... I was completely spoiled and I laughed my A-S-S off. Of course, YMMV.

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It's not a surprise at all, Sheldon has always denied he has feelings, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have them. He has had emotional outbursts since season 1. The only difference between 7x01/7x02 Sheldon and pre-S7 Sheldon is that he now acknowledges he has them, and especially acknowledges it in front of people. Other than that, his reactions are exactly the same. He is starting to stop caring about people knowing he has feelings, maybe because he trusts them more after all these years, maybe because he's matured. Again, it's all about that line by Penny "I get it, you're an emotionless robot"/"I try". "I try", first time he acknowledges he tries not to have feelings, but can't help it. 

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Personally I thought the two episodes were good, not great.  Not sure why.  I have a couple thoughts as to my reaction:  1) having seen some taping reports, I already knew what was coming for a couple of scenes, 2) after a long summer and lots of excitement, my expectations may have been unrealistic.

 

My personal take away - I'm not reading any more taping reports.  For me, I think it may take away from watching the episodes when they air for the first time.

I've always personally felt that season premiere's tend to let you down a little compared to season finales regardless if you read the taping reports. My theory is that you spend all summer imagining this perfect premiere episode and by the end there is no way it could love up to your high expectations. Also premiere's only have to be okay because they have 23 more episodes to fall back on. While as a finale has to be epic enough to keep you interested to want to come back in 3 months. If you thought the episodes were good, but not great, then lucky for you there will be a new one next week and probably a new one after that.

 

I do agree with not reading the taping reports though, I avoid those things like the plague.

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The feelings thing is a surprise considering in 6.15 he complained about feelings not mattering and he wasn't a hippee

 

 

Well I am waiting on Sheldon to final admit he constantly hurt his friends feelings too.  How many times have one of his friends told him he has stepped over the line and he thinks about it for a second or two and says 'who cares'? 

 

Leonard, Penny, Amy, Bernie, Howard, and Raj have feelings too and it about time Sheldon acknowledge and act accordingly (the oh he is just Sheldon has worn out it's welcome).

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@Ajond : I am sorry to say, but the way you word it doesn't sound like your opinion, but it sounds as what you're stating is fact. When you say Kaley obviously has distractions on her personal life and her career, and that hopefully she can get past this, you are saying it as if it is a given. What is even more offensive is that you are implicitly accusing her of being unprofessional.

No I,m not. I am trying to find a reason for her average performance (in my opinion)

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I really liked this episode and I agree with Chrismo.  I think that this was the better of the two.  I really liked Lenny in this episode especially the reunion in Penny's apartment, I loved her reaction.  However, the funniest part of the episode had to be Howard and the estrogen cream. That was hilarious, especially the part with and Raj checking out Howard's breasts.  LOL!!!

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Personally I thought the two episodes were good, not great.  Not sure why.  I have a couple thoughts as to my reaction:  1) having seen some taping reports, I already knew what was coming for a couple of scenes, 2) after a long summer and lots of excitement, my expectations may have been unrealistic.

 

My personal take away - I'm not reading any more taping reports.  For me, I think it may take away from watching the episodes when they air for the first time.

 

I liked Sheldon's telling Penny that he was hurt by her reaction.  But I am not sure how the writers will "humanize" Sheldon without making him unfunny.  He's one character that I think will be a challenge to mature or evolve without destroying the essence of what makes him the comedic center of the show.  JMO

I thought they were the first episodes where the old character arch's returned from Season 3, I have watched TBBT from the pilot, for a premiere, knowing like Season 6 it well gain momentum through the latter half of the season, I thought they were great.

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No I,m not. I am trying to find a reason for her average performance (in my opinion)

Yeah it is your opinion but your the only one who seem's to have that opinion, no one here or anyone else seems too. Everyone I've heard have said her performance was awesome as usual, so I am just wondering why you specifically think she had an average performance, 20 mill watched the episode are you saying your opinion holds weight over anyone elses? Maybe you saw something that wasen't their hence maybe why you are now projecting not saying you are just curious seeing your the only one saying Kaley's performance was sub par, when 99% are saying her performance was great for a premiere.

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Yeah it is your opinion but your the only one who seem's to have that opinion, no one here or anyone else seems too. Everyone I've heard have said her performance was awesome as usual, so I am just wondering why you specifically think she had an average performance, 20 mill watched the episode are you saying your opinion holds weight over anyone elses? Maybe you saw something that wasen't their hence maybe why you are now projecting not saying you are just curious seeing your the only one saying Kaley's performance was sub par, when 99% are saying her performance was great for a premiere.

That would be 99% of people on this forum. Hardly representative of the 20 mil that watched the show Most of the posters on here would be fanboys/girls,

I too am a huge fan of Kaley's. I have compared her to Lucille Ball in the past especially for her comedic timing and facial expressions. I set very high standards for her, which is why I expressed disappointment at , what I thought , was a lacklustre performance. My main criticism of the eps was the script and I do not resile from any of my comments.

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just saw the episodes .....and this is how predictable big bang has become...sheldon being childish...that's it

 

leonard goes on a trip --- sheldon becomes jealous and selfishly tries to  stop him from going... the story mostly is about that..

leonard on a trip -- how sheldon misses him

leonard comes back from trip -- leonard acts selfishly and suddenly its a huge deception("the title of the episode") to sheldon and everyone has to feel sorry for him

 

do the other characters not have feelings or never get decepted by sheldon's selfishness(does'nt know / does'nt care)... oh wait this is big bang theory ...only sheldon's feelings are important ... and he can do no wrong...

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That would be 99% of people on this forum. Hardly representative of the 20 mil that watched the show Most of the posters on here would be fanboys/girls,

I too am a huge fan of Kaley's. I have compared her to Lucille Ball in the past especially for her comedic timing and facial expressions. I set very high standards for her, which is why I expressed disappointment at , what I thought , was a lacklustre performance. My main criticism of the eps was the script and I do not resile from any of my comments.

I don't think 20 million who watched will have any opinion of her performance. In regards to the 99% your right that's on this forum. But most people don't follow the forum that closely if they hate the show

well this is how predictable big bang has become...sheldon being childish...that's it

 

leonard goes on a trip --- sheldon becomes jealous and selfishly tries to  stop him from going... the story mostly is about that..

leonard on a trip -- how sheldon misses him

leonard comes back from trip -- leonard acts selfishly and suddenly its a huge deception("the title of the episode") to sheldon and everyone has to feel sorry for him

 

do the other characters not have feelings or never get decepted by sheldon's selfishness(does'nt know / does'nt care)... oh wait this is big bang theory ...only sheldon's feelings are important ... and he can do no wrong...

Is that what you got out of the entire show? You must have only watched a couple of minutes. There was more to the show than just Sheldon.

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just saw the episodes .....and this is how predictable big bang has become...sheldon being childish...that's it

 

leonard goes on a trip --- sheldon becomes jealous and selfishly tries to  stop him from going... the story mostly is about that..

leonard on a trip -- how sheldon misses him

leonard comes back from trip -- leonard acts selfishly and suddenly its a huge deception("the title of the episode") to sheldon and everyone has to feel sorry for him

 

do the other characters not have feelings or never get decepted by sheldon's selfishness(does'nt know / does'nt care)... oh wait this is big bang theory ...only sheldon's feelings are important ... and he can do no wrong...

 Not sure how Sheldon revealing his feeling's more is predictable in anyway, seeing he has been known not to articulate his emotions at all. I've watched the show since the beginning, and I felt the show is as good as S1-3 if not better, much better start then last years, not sure why anyone would bother to point out how predictable the show has become when a lot of people don't feel that way JMO.

That would be 99% of people on this forum. Hardly representative of the 20 mil that watched the show Most of the posters on here would be fanboys/girls,

I too am a huge fan of Kaley's. I have compared her to Lucille Ball in the past especially for her comedic timing and facial expressions. I set very high standards for her, which is why I expressed disappointment at , what I thought , was a lacklustre performance. My main criticism of the eps was the script and I do not resile from any of my comments.

I don't think you can justify your opinion of her performance based on people being fanboys/girls that's my point I am trying to make, are you saying your opinon holds weight over anyone elses? Your coming across as your opinion is not flawed at all. I mean i'm assuming your no different to anyone posting here, your a fangirl I am assuming seeing your a fan of the show just saying. IMO I thought it was one of her best performances but your entitled to your opinion.

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Is that what you got out of the entire show? You must have only watched a couple of minutes. There was more to the show than just Sheldon.

 

hmm , i actually saw the entire episodes...the rest of the plots seemed basic... amy and bernie was just weird...

 

 Not sure how Sheldon revealing his feeling's more is predictable in anyway, seeing he has been known not to articulate his emotions at all. I've watched the show since the beginning, and I felt the show is as good as S1-3 if not better, much better start then last years, not sure why anyone would bother to point out how predictable the show has become when a lot of people don't feel that way JMO.

 

the second leonard came behind the door and surprised penny ... anyone who has been watching big bang thoery can easily predict that this was going be entirely about sheldon.....

 

don't get me wrong... i like the show...but the humour and source of jokes for me is getting predictable and safe....most of this was even similar to 3.1... they come home ...sheldon is deceived...everyone has to feel sorry for sheldon...same template different variables...

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hmm , i actually saw the entire episodes...the rest of the plots seemed basic... amy and bernie was just weird...

 

 

the second leonard came behind the door and surprised penny ... anyone who has been watching big bang thoery can easily predict that this was going be entirely about sheldon.....

I don't think predicting Sheldon was going to be the focus of that scene make's it predictable, from a characters standpoint Penny had no idea Leonard was returning so early, and thought that was great acting and a great moment. We all knew Sheldon was going to make a big deal about Leonard returning early to surprise Penny, and of course people feel sorry for Sheldon and rip into selfish Leonard, I don't see how not seeing his GF in four months has anything to do with Sheldon, I like Sheldon but he too many time's make's everything about him. So while agree that was predictable, that does make the show or the episode it self predictable, just Sheldon as a character. As for the plot being basic, not sure how to take that one but the episode was set 3-4 months after Leonard's departure, it wasen't a science focused episode, it was focused on dealing with Leonard's return, so status quo most likely well resume by 7.03 and onwards.

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