Ðꧧï©å‡êÐ ©ø®þ§ê Posted October 1, 2013 Posted October 1, 2013 This is definitely better than the previous episode, rating it "Excellent" once again. Very good episode but I could have done without the Howard/Raj boob grabbing. That was just weird. What makes you think it was not meant to be? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayton Lavon Kitchens Posted October 2, 2013 Posted October 2, 2013 Sorry, but to me both of the first two episodes sucked in a major way. To me, some of the worst episodes are where Sheldon is truly angry at someone in the gang. The dynamics work much better when other characters are mad at Sheldon and he is oblivious to it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3ku11 Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 Sorry, but to me both of the first two episodes sucked in a major way. To me, some of the worst episodes are where Sheldon is truly angry at someone in the gang. The dynamics work much better when other characters are mad at Sheldon and he is oblivious to it. Actually I think the dynamic's in both episode's were back to where they were in Season 3 tbh, just more refined seeing it is Season 7. And I am sorry you thought both episode's sucked in a major way lol, it premiere 20 million, dominated premiere week on all network's, so you maybe in the minority here. Not sure why you diddn't like the episode's, and to justify this by saying it work's better when the other characters are mad at Sheldon and he is oblivious to it, the characters have never been mad at Sheldon at all, they usually have fun with the fact or at the very least annoyed by his oblivous reaction to thing's. The episode delt with Leonard returning early to surprise Penny which he is perfectly entitled to do so, and Sheldon feeling deceived in some way's by Leonard, regardless of that is justified or not, IMO it is no Sheldon need's to accept the fact not everything revolves around him, and Penny come's first. The dynamic's you just mentioned in the end of your post, is exactly what occured, and just because Sheldon showed no oblivous behaviour means nothing, their was nothing confusing socially to Sheldon that would cause him to be oblivous to anyone. Leonard came home early and that was not subtle that was pretty obvious. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogravitasatall Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 There was a girl in the comic book store - behind Raj and Howard when they were discussing Howard's actual man pants. And no one said anything. Weird, huh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3ku11 Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 There was a girl in the comic book store - behind Raj and Howard when they were discussing Howard's actual man pants. And no one said anything. Weird, huh. Stuart stand's behind the desk at the comic book store all the time too and no one seem's care about that either lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Zog Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 The only thing I really didn't like about this episode was the fact, that Leonards trip was all over again too soon! I would have liked to see him on board the ship over the next few episodes, since he seemed like a complete different guy there and having lot of fun. And I liked the Nerdy Reinhold Messner look! :D I know, changings in a character are always tricky, but since he would return eventually and everything most probalby would get back to normal when he's back home, it would have been quite a nice change for a while. Like it was with Howard on the Space station. In fact, this felt more like the trip to the north pole. A lot of fuss beforehand, and then... more or less over befor it even started. Just one episode with Leonard away and his friends coping with his absence, and the next episode: bang, back again, back to normal! Since I believe the whole episode has been discussed in lengths already, I'll leave it at that and try to catch up with more recent topics. Not always easy, since I'm from Germany and therefore can't watch the new episodes on-time when they premiere on TV, but I'll try. (PS.: Hi, there! New guy here! First post, two more to go, untill I reach full trustfullness status! Oooh, am I excited! :D) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Girl Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 When it comes to Leonard's decision to hide his return from Sheldon, I side with the anti-deception team: Sheldon is Leonard's best friend, Leonard shouldn't have done it to him (especially that he knew that Sheldon would probably not understand). Anyway, I prefer the old dynamics "Sheldon, Leonard and other nerds vs. the rest of the world (which they try to understand and maybe befriend)" and not "grown-up Leonard and Penny vs. childish Sheldon" (the latter pattern is OK from time to time, but I wouldn't like it to dominate the dynamics of the relations between the main trio). I didn't like the estrogen thread, especially the scene between Raj and Howard - maybe because I don't like the homosexual allusions in the portrayal of their relation in general. A minor minus: Sheldon' conversation with Stuart about Leonard's welcome-home gift is too similar to the one between Sheldon and Alex about the gift for Amy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyGirl Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 When it comes to Leonard's decision to hide his return from Sheldon, I side with the anti-deception team: Sheldon is Leonard's best friend, Leonard shouldn't have done it to him (especially that he knew that Sheldon would probably not understand). Anyway, I prefer the old dynamics "Sheldon, Leonard and other nerds vs. the rest of the world (which they try to understand and maybe befriend)" and not "grown-up Leonard and Penny vs. childish Sheldon" (the latter pattern is OK from time to time, but I wouldn't like it to dominate the dynamics of the relations between the main trio). ....... Of course by all means Leonard should disregard what he want in order to keep self-centered Sheldon happy, I mean why in the heck would Leonard want to spend a couple of days alone with his girlfriend Penny. Man had only been gone for four months and Sheldon needed to be first on his list of people to spend time with after all 'It's All About Sheldon" and Leonard be darn. We all know that if Sheldon knew Leonard was back and spending time at Penny's apartment he would interrupt them at every turn and they wouldn't have a minute peace from Sheldon. As for Sheldon not understanding ----- I don't buy it and if Sheldon can say Penny hurt his feelings he can grasp that Leonard would want to spend some time with Penny. Finally if Sheldon stop thinking the world revolve around him, he would get a clue that he isn't first on everyone list who to see first or spend time with first. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vasu Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 (edited) When it comes to Leonard's decision to hide his return from Sheldon, I side with the anti-deception team: Sheldon is Leonard's best friend, Leonard shouldn't have done it to him (especially that he knew that Sheldon would probably not understand). Anyway, I prefer the old dynamics "Sheldon, Leonard and other nerds vs. the rest of the world (which they try to understand and maybe befriend)" and not "grown-up Leonard and Penny vs. childish Sheldon" (the latter pattern is OK from time to time, but I wouldn't like it to dominate the dynamics of the relations between the main trio). I didn't like the estrogen thread, especially the scene between Raj and Howard - maybe because I don't like the homosexual allusions in the portrayal of their relation in general. A minor minus: Sheldon' conversation with Stuart about Leonard's welcome-home gift is too similar to the one between Sheldon and Alex about the gift for Amy. The problem with this show is that it is always surrounded around Sheldon and his feelings... when Leonad got the oppurtunity to work with Hawking... Sheldon gets jealous and selfishly tries to stop him from going ...and he clearly would have known the implications of the trip ( as this is not something social for sheldon to be oblivious).... but still he gets all the sympathy in the episode .. now in this episode... Leonard acts selfishly ..... and sheldon feels betrayed... and again Sheldon gets all the sympathy .... so whatever Sheldon does he always gets the sympathy.... so we can never take other characters side... Edited October 5, 2013 by vasu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Occam's Chainsaw Posted October 6, 2013 Posted October 6, 2013 I don't think Sheldon got anywhere near as much sympathy as some of you seem to think. Sheldon felt slighted and then severely over-reacted, and no one, not even his girlfriend, was on his side. The closest was Howard, but all he was really pointing out was that Sheldon's reaction was grounded in human emotion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djsurrey Posted October 6, 2013 Posted October 6, 2013 I honestly think people sometimes expect way too much development and change in this show. By Lorre's own admission, this show's character development is like watching paint dry. And if you do, then you'll be disappointed the more you keep watching. I found this in some reviews too. The reason this show continues for so long is precisely because they revisit their own standard scenarios (e.g. Sheldon being childish over Leonard's attention) adding little new twists to each every time. Like Occam pointed out, if you pay attention, the scenario IS very different this time around. You're not going to have episodes where suddenly Penny surprises Leonard with a surprise wedding, Sheldon has an epiphany and learns how to behave, Howard and Amy discover they are half-siblings or anything like that. And I would actually agree with Jim that the fact that things change SO slowly on this show is very realistic. And it ensures they don't do anything too harshly that they might regret later on (i.e. Penny/Raj was the closest they came to a shocking moment, and look how that played out). I think many forms of entertainment have gotten people used to this idea of dramatic life-changing moments and if you don't get them then the show is disappointing. What I like about this show is that I can go back an watch an episode 100 times and I find new little nuances every time. I do agree though that it's entertainment, not reality. And if some people's preference when it comes to entertainment is to see massive moments and cliffhangers, Homeland or Breaking Bad are much better shows. I personally appreciate both styles. Btw, the boob grabbing scene had been done before in Will & Grace. It's nothing new. I actually wonder if it was a homage to that. I agree with the first paragraph and think that sometimes some people on here actually imagine more character development that has actually occurred in Penny, Leonard and Sheldon. The writers are more inclined to let change occur in more peripheral characters and this seems like a safe road to take to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3ku11 Posted October 6, 2013 Posted October 6, 2013 I agree with the first paragraph and think that sometimes some people on here actually imagine more character development that has actually occurred in Penny, Leonard and Sheldon. The writers are more inclined to let change occur in more peripheral characters and this seems like a safe road to take to me. Depend's on your personal preferances, if you prefer big moments and masssive cliffhangers, a show like Breaking Bad that is heaviliy serialized may be your cup of tea. Like the writer's said progress and character development is like watching paint dry, progress does not happen over night. An example is Penny taking six season's to profess her love for Leonard, because of the meticulous and slow progression in the show in terms of the character development, that's where this mentality from people who watch the show create this impression that Penny has not committed to Leonard in the past, or they have nothing in common, or they have no chemistry. TBBT is just not the type of the show that fast track's character development, I think people put too many expectations on the the characters especially Penny. You even see in HIMYM you could argue a lot more bed hopping, BBT tho is a lot more in the tradational dating paradaigm when it come's to the relationship's in the show. When big moment's do happen they don't impact the show and/or have a lasting effect on the characters or the show, like Penny/Raj for example it was mostly their for a shock factor for a finalie, which was the culmination of a really bad year for Penny lol, but they are ultimately just a plot device and don't have any consequences for the show. I think it is more realistic though, people general don't mature and develop as quckly as some show's, the writer's just run a tight ship when it come's to character development, they prefer to drag the character development out, this way they can revisit situations they have done in the past, and put new twist's on them. This way the characters' remain unique and don't change the central premise of the show too much, kinda like Seinfeild, their was not a lot or any character development. I mean Sheldon isin't suddenly going to develop so much in one episode, that he has no problem with Leonard sitting in his spot, this way they can sustain the overall premise of the show without loosing the charm of the characters. Just like your not going too see Penny having an ephiphany and proposing to Leonard in the next episode, their relationship in terms of character development has always been a work in progress, so I guess that is why TBBT get's the complaint's that it is too safe and niche, but it is heavily characterized and I think it is to the show show's advantage, not a lot of situations or locational shoot's say like HIMYM, but like Friend's it make's the show unique and set's it apart from other comedies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djsurrey Posted October 6, 2013 Posted October 6, 2013 When it comes to Leonard's decision to hide his return from Sheldon, I side with the anti-deception team: Sheldon is Leonard's best friend, Leonard shouldn't have done it to him (especially that he knew that Sheldon would probably not understand). Anyway, I prefer the old dynamics "Sheldon, Leonard and other nerds vs. the rest of the world (which they try to understand and maybe befriend)" and not "grown-up Leonard and Penny vs. childish Sheldon" (the latter pattern is OK from time to time, but I wouldn't like it to dominate the dynamics of the relations between the main trio). I didn't like the estrogen thread, especially the scene between Raj and Howard - maybe because I don't like the homosexual allusions in the portrayal of their relation in general. A minor minus: Sheldon' conversation with Stuart about Leonard's welcome-home gift is too similar to the one between Sheldon and Alex about the gift for Amy. Penny is Leonard's best friend now. This is something that has changed from the first season. Sheldon is his roommate and a good but annoying friend. Sheldon has a brilliant intellect but his social development was neglected and so is essentially socially/emotionally retarded (typically does not act his age socially/emotionally and this has been true in every season). He seems to have no real frame of reference for the adult emotions the others have. I think we have the first instances where he admits to being hurt in these first two episodes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djsurrey Posted October 6, 2013 Posted October 6, 2013 (edited) Depend's on your personal preferances, if you prefer big moments and masssive cliffhangers,.... [snip] Well TBBT brand of very slow character development is working in terms of overall ratings and viewers. It is working for the writers. For every joke there will be some that find it funny and some that do not. Some people want the show to go in one direction some want it to go in the opposite direction. The writers are keeping things fresh by bringing in some new characters and letting some of the old peripheral characters grow and change. They seem to be keeping the bread and butter characters to a much slower pace of change so they will not break what has worked well so far. Penny and Leonard have only changed to the extent necessary since they have known each other for many years now and had only met in season one. Obviously Leonard can not be soaking his suite with perspiration like he was early on before his first date with Penny. I don't watch any of the other shows you were talking about by the way. With series that I have watched in the past I have found I'm very unlikely to watch reruns if there is a great deal of development or big plot twists. Edited October 6, 2013 by djsurrey Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3ku11 Posted October 6, 2013 Posted October 6, 2013 People seem to forget how long Penny and Leonard have known each other, and Leonard pretty much is as relevant to Penny compared to her girlfriend's who are more socially like her, they have a history now. Leonard maybe Sheldon's best friend, but I would argue Penny has become Leonard's best friend, hence why he came home early for Penny. Yes I get Sheldon missed Leonard, but just made a big deal about it and was looking at the situation from his vantage point, he need's to consider other people, and learn to compromise his feeling's for the sake of other's, Leonard's heart was in the right place albeit the method he took. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Girl Posted October 6, 2013 Posted October 6, 2013 (edited) Of course by all means Leonard should disregard what he want in order to keep self-centered Sheldon happy, I mean why in the heck would Leonard want to spend a couple of days alone with his girlfriend Penny. Man had only been gone for four months and Sheldon needed to be first on his list of people to spend time with after all 'It's All About Sheldon" and Leonard be darn. We all know that if Sheldon knew Leonard was back and spending time at Penny's apartment he would interrupt them at every turn and they wouldn't have a minute peace from Sheldon. As for Sheldon not understanding ----- I don't buy it and if Sheldon can say Penny hurt his feelings he can grasp that Leonard would want to spend some time with Penny. Finally if Sheldon stop thinking the world revolve around him, he would get a clue that he isn't first on everyone list who to see first or spend time with first. I don't think it's about who's first on the list, I think it's about lying - at least, that's what offended Sheldon. There were other ways of doing what Leonard wanted to do. Probably the most obvious one would be to see Sheldon shortly, give him his sailor's cup, and leave Pasadena with Penny for a week or too (which is not something Leonard couldn't afford). (Of course, in such case there wouldn't be so much comedy fuel.) The problem with this show is that it is always surrounded around Sheldon and his feelings... when Leonad got the oppurtunity to work with Hawking... Sheldon gets jealous and selfishly tries to stop him from going ...and he clearly would have known the implications of the trip ( as this is not something social for sheldon to be oblivious).... but still he gets all the sympathy in the episode .. now in this episode... Leonard acts selfishly ..... and sheldon feels betrayed... and again Sheldon gets all the sympathy .... so whatever Sheldon does he always gets the sympathy.... so we can never take other characters side... Maybe it's because Sheldon is the one most clueless about other people's intentions and desires (as well as those of his own), so it's hard to blame him. Penny is Leonard's best friend now. This is something that has changed from the first season. Sheldon is his roommate and a good but annoying friend. Sheldon has a brilliant intellect but his social development was neglected and so is essentially socially/emotionally retarded (typically does not act his age socially/emotionally and this has been true in every season). He seems to have no real frame of reference for the adult emotions the others have. I think we have the first instances where he admits to being hurt in these first two episodes. When the characters behave more and more "adult", Sheldon ensures the constant presence of the nerd's viewpoint, which is BBT's distinguishing feature (and the one I most like). I admit I prefer this viewpoint to dominate the show, as this makes it different from most other shows (and from everyday reality). Edited October 6, 2013 by Martian Girl Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
koops Posted October 6, 2013 Posted October 6, 2013 When the characters behave more and more "adult", Sheldon ensures the constant presence of the nerd's viewpoint, which is BBT's distinguishing feature (and the one I most like). I admit I prefer this viewpoint to dominate the show, as this makes it different from most other shows (and from everyday reality). I agree and disagree with this premise. I agree in the sense that, Sheldon being the most eccentric, he will always provide a unique viewpoint to this show compared to most other shows, and that's how it should be. The show would be pretty dull if Sheldon suddenly started becoming considerate of everyone's needs and feelings at all times. And it would also make the times when he is considerate and thoughtful less special. At the same time, I don't think it's got much to do with the "nerd" viewpoint being the less "adult" one. Sheldon provides the often politically-incorrect/insensitive view-point, but that's got nothing to do with being a nerd per se. I don't see how being a nerd has anything to do with being inconsiderate or selfish or immature. And I would hope that the show isn't trying to send the message that behaving more adult-like means de-nerdizing: I hope these guys are going to continue having their game nights and comic book store trips well into retirement! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyGirl Posted October 6, 2013 Posted October 6, 2013 I don't think it's about who's first on the list, I think it's about lying - at least, that's what offended Sheldon. There were other ways of doing what Leonard wanted to do. Probably the most obvious one would be to see Sheldon shortly, give him his sailor's cup, and leave Pasadena with Penny for a week or too (which is not something Leonard couldn't afford). (Of course, in such case there wouldn't be so much comedy fuel.) ....... Then you must still be really upset with Sheldon for lying to Leonard all these years --- you know the Sheldon that can't lie or keep a secret. Sheldon to this day hasn't told Leonard about his mother kissing him and please don't say that Leonard didn't need to know or that is Leonard place to find out. There have been many times that Sheldon has lied to Leonard but that's okay because it's Sheldon doing the lying. Why in the world would Leonard have to leave town with Penny just to have some privacy? And who cares what he can afford or what he can't afford. This about a man that just returned from a four month trip wanting to spend time with his girlfriend without his crazy roommate interrupting said time because he feels he must be the center of the universe in all things. Once again you are saying that Leonard is the one that must make Sheldon happy before he can have a little happiness in his life --- how crazy is that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djsurrey Posted October 6, 2013 Posted October 6, 2013 (edited) I agree and disagree with this premise. I agree in the sense that, Sheldon being the most eccentric, he will always provide a unique viewpoint to this show compared to most other shows, and that's how it should be. The show would be pretty dull if Sheldon suddenly started becoming considerate of everyone's needs and feelings at all times. And it would also make the times when he is considerate and thoughtful less special. At the same time, I don't think it's got much to do with the "nerd" viewpoint being the less "adult" one. Sheldon provides the often politically-incorrect/insensitive view-point, but that's got nothing to do with being a nerd per se. I don't see how being a nerd has anything to do with being inconsiderate or selfish or immature. And I would hope that the show isn't trying to send the message that behaving more adult-like means de-nerdizing: I hope these guys are going to continue having their game nights and comic book store trips well into retirement! I think you have a point here but I would also point out there actually is no homogeneous nerd viewpoint. All these characters are different and Sheldon is the most different. He is not just politically-incorrect/insensitive he is completely emotionally and socially retarded. As a child prodigy he worked at developing his intellect and had no respect for those who might have helped him develop socially. Yet he is still obedient to his mother when she really wants him to be (ie apologizing to Penny and giving her cloths back). He is also easily manipulated by his mother after the break-up with Amy. Edited October 6, 2013 by djsurrey Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhalen565 Posted October 6, 2013 Posted October 6, 2013 Leonard didn't tell a lie, he was originally coming home later, when they finished early he came back early to surprise his girlfriend. He didn't tell anyone his changed schedule, so how is that lying to Sheldon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
koops Posted October 6, 2013 Posted October 6, 2013 I think you have a point here but I would also point out there actually is not homogeneous nerd viewpoint. All these characters are different and Sheldon is the most different. He is not just politically-incorrect/insensitive he is completely emotionally and socially retarded. As a child prodigy he worked at developing his intellect and had no respect for those who might have helped him develop socially. Oh absolutely. They're all different and will all develop differently. And I don't disagree Sheldon had set backs in his emotional development because of being a child prodigy. But that doesn't mean he can't develop now that he is in an environment that is allowing him to develop socially, and I think he has started a long time ago. I always go back to the difference between Sheldon as he is now and Sheldon as Jim was instructed to play him in Staircase (so before being exposed to Leonard). The writers wanted to make the point that he is getting better, thanks to Leonard's influence first, and Penny's influence later. He is very much a WIP, but he probably won't get "there" until the end of the show, or it takes the fun out of it. Just like Amy is having a delayed adolescence in terms of popularity and friendships he is having a delayed adolescence in terms of developing those social skills he didn't have a chance to when he was an 11-year-old in a world of grown ups. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Girl Posted October 6, 2013 Posted October 6, 2013 At the same time, I don't think it's got much to do with the "nerd" viewpoint being the less "adult" one. Sheldon provides the often politically-incorrect/insensitive view-point, but that's got nothing to do with being a nerd per se. I don't see how being a nerd has anything to do with being inconsiderate or selfish or immature. And I would hope that the show isn't trying to send the message that behaving more adult-like means de-nerdizing: I hope these guys are going to continue having their game nights and comic book store trips well into retirement! I think you have a point here but I would also point out there actually is no homogeneous nerd viewpoint. All these characters are different and Sheldon is the most different. He is not just politically-incorrect/insensitive he is completely emotionally and socially retarded. As a child prodigy he worked at developing his intellect and had no respect for those who might have helped him develop socially. Yet he is still obedient to his mother when she really wants him to be (ie apologizing to Penny and giving her cloths back). He is also easily manipulated by his mother after the break-up with Amy. I've always thought the show's whole point is to show the world from the viewpoint of the people who are intellectually gifted but socially challenged, and that's what I meant by "nerd". (I know that there are many definitions, but I think this one best suits the BBT characters.) "Socially challenged" may include being antisocial, quirky, shy, proud, and, in a sense, inconsiderate, selfish, and immature. If it was only about scientific knowledge and geeky interests, I would have probably stopped watching a long time ago - I like it because it explores the difference between (exaggerated) totally intellectual (theoretical) standpoint of Sheldon and the (also exaggerated) practical (normal) one, exemplified by Penny (Leonard being, more on less, in the middle), and because it does it in a funny way. Both standpoints come with advantages and disadvantages, but basically they're just different, and I like it that the show presents both in a sympathetic way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djsurrey Posted October 6, 2013 Posted October 6, 2013 (edited) I've always thought the show's whole point is to show the world from the viewpoint of the people who are intellectually gifted but socially challenged, and that's what I meant by "nerd". (I know that there are many definitions, but I think this one best suits the BBT characters.) "Socially challenged" may include being antisocial, quirky, shy, proud, and, in a sense, inconsiderate, selfish, and immature. If it was only about scientific knowledge and geeky interests, I would have probably stopped watching a long time ago - I like it because it explores the difference between (exaggerated) totally intellectual (theoretical) standpoint of Sheldon and the (also exaggerated) practical (normal) one, exemplified by Penny (Leonard being, more on less, in the middle), and because it does it in a funny way. Both standpoints come with advantages and disadvantages, but basically they're just different, and I like it that the show presents both in a sympathetic way. So yes the characters are all kind if socially challenged but in different ways. When the characters behave more and more "adult", Sheldon ensures the constant presence of the nerd's viewpoint, which is BBT's distinguishing feature (and the one I most like). I admit I prefer this viewpoint to dominate the show, as this makes it different from most other shows (and from everyday reality). I don't think the nerd's viewpoint goes away when the other characters are being adult even if Sheldon is not around. I don't think we are disagreeing here so much as I'd use different words to describe what I think you meant. For example In S6e24 Sheldon and his compulsiveness added some comic relief at the airport in what otherwise would have been a serious and unfunny scene. Sort of a plot device to keep things light but let the serious emotions be expressed too. Leonard is still a nerd even when he is being very adult so he retains a nerd's viewpoint all the time. Another nuance here is that TBBT does not so much show the world from the viewpoint of nerds as it opens a comedic window into the life of a group of nerds with a non-nerd friend. The show was inspired by a group of computer science students one of the writers had known. The characters were changed into physicists. At a recent comic con the writers formed a panel and pointed out some of the material was coming from their own lives and they made the point that each of them had some nerd area of reference. By the way I kind of hoped we would be seeing more of Lucy as a non-science nerd. We do have Stuart as a non-science nerd and the writers are essentially non science nerds themselves. It's just the actors who are not really nerds. Edited October 6, 2013 by djsurrey Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted October 7, 2013 Posted October 7, 2013 When it comes to Leonard's decision to hide his return from Sheldon, I side with the anti-deception team: Sheldon is Leonard's best friend, Leonard shouldn't have done it to him (especially that he knew that Sheldon would probably not understand). I side with Leonard.Talking from a man's perspective, I can think of no other man who who not, in the particular set of circumstances of the episode not chosen their girlfriend. I didn't like the estrogen thread, especially the scene between Raj and Howard - maybe because I don't like the homosexual allusions in the portrayal of their relation in general. That is exactly why I love it, because of how ridiculuos it is , since they do not have a homosexual relationship, and how oblivious they are to how improper it is given the type pf friendship they have A minor minus: Sheldon' conversation with Stuart about Leonard's welcome-home gift is too similar to the one between Sheldon and Alex about the gift for Amy. Sorry to disagree again, but I believe the scene is about how Stuart overcharges Sheldon taking advantage of his giddiness to buy Leonard a present. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Zog Posted October 8, 2013 Posted October 8, 2013 (edited) Sorry to disagree again, but I believe the scene is about how Stuart overcharges Sheldon taking advantage of his giddiness to buy Leonard a present. I always wondered about Stuart's business abilities. One time he seems being able to ripp of easily his customers ("Like shooting nerds in a bucket!"), next time he doesn't earn enough money to pay his rent or warm water! It seems to me, the writers just use it any way that would provide a joke. (Still always funny nontheless! In any case Stuart is one of my favorite supporting recurring characters.) Edited October 8, 2013 by Lord Zog Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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