BigBangWeary Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 (edited) Ugh ... This episode was terrible. I thought it was poorly written, and I think the writers have finally run out of ideas on what to do with Len/Pen. Howard's song was goofy and I think I've just about had enough of Amy mooning after her asexual boyfriend. These "relationship" episodes are the WORST! If this is what this show is going to be all about now, this may be the last season I watch it... What a shame. It used to be so brilliant. Edited October 26, 2013 by Tripper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3ku11 Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 (edited) Ugh ... This episode was terrible. I thought it was poorly written, and I think the writers have finally run out of ideas on what to do with Len/Pen. Howard's song was goofy and I think I've just about had enough of horse faced Amy mooning after her asexual boyfriend. These "relationship" episodes are the WORST! If this is what this show is going to be all about now, this may be the last season I watch it... What a shame. It used to be so brilliant. Wow your so consistent lol, seeing this episode had a ton of science even in the great relationship moment's, I don't see how any of your points have any validity at all, thought it was one of the best eps ever in the series. Ran out of ideas? I thought this was Leonard and Penny's greatest moment, it's great having opinions but your sounding like a broken record. This season has been the best in year's, I mean if no one was in a relationship it would be really hollow and shallow, then there would be the same ppl complaining nothings changed, it would get old pretty fast. But hey you diddn't like it which isin't a surprise, I loved it so what has really changed. As for poorly written come on even you cannot beleive that, the whole Howardette anniversary song was a stroke of genius from the writer's, incredible continuity, that scene well go down as one of TBBT best ever scenes, and Amy mooning? Telling Sheldon she think's he's is a fraud for his acheivement, yeah that's mooning, and why wouldent' she? They are in a relationship. I'm laughing at your attempt at discrediting the Lenny scene, of course you think it's running out of ideas, but the whole idea of Penny keeping all that stuff, and not realizing she had been romantic this whole time, was great writing and really fresh, this ep also prooved the incredible chemistry Leonard and Penny have, and that they have a lot more in common then just sex, more then ppl give them credit for. Edited October 26, 2013 by 3ku11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmp Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 I agree with all the glowing reviews this episode has gotten so far. This is another example (along with the Nimoy napkin and the tiara) of something very sweet that's simultaneously laugh-out-loud funny. TBBT is pretty consistent at delivering these moments that are satisfyingly heartfelt without overdoing it, and sticking to the fact that it's a comedy. This episode was also very original. I've never seen anything like it on another show.  In terms of the relationships, did you guys notice how easily the ILYs now roll off Penny's tongue? She cared enough about him to keep all that stuff even while they were broken up. It reinforces that she really sees him as the love of her life; it's not just Leonard who feels that way about her. Also, after last week's Shamy and Howardette fights, this episode has both couples clearly back on track. Shamy are perfectly in tune. Acting was great all around. Either Simon and Melissa got choked up for real during the song, or both did an amazing job of acting it.  I tried to look through the beginning and ending credits, but I didn't notice Micucci and Lindhomme credited for the song. Did I miss it? I heard the song before finding out they wrote it, but once I did, it 100% sounds like them. The song is brilliant. It's my favorite moment of s7 so far, and probably in my top 3 for the series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djvang Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 It's harmless. Because the comment is so predictable means it has no impact on the opinions of the rest of the fan base. Do you really think I'm trying to impact anyone's opinions? Really? I don't think ANY opinions out could ever be changed. I'm just offering my own. I don't know why it bothers all of you so much that I don't agree with the vast majority.  So far this season I've rated 3 Very Good, 1 Okay, 1 Bad and 1 Very Bad. I'll bet that's much less "predicatable" than the vast majority. Do you accuse those who vote every episode Excellent of being "predictable"? Hmmmm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3ku11 Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Do you really think I'm trying to impact anyone's opinions? Really? I don't think ANY opinions out could ever be changed. I'm just offering my own. I don't know why it bothers all of you so much that I don't agree with the vast majority.  So far this season I've rated 3 Very Good, 1 Okay, 1 Bad and 1 Very Bad. I'll bet that's much less "predicatable" than the vast majority. Do you accuse those who vote every episode Excellent of being "predictable"? Hmmmm? Well it's relative really all the post's I have seen from you have been I diddn't like this horrible episode lol, but maybe I haven't seen your other post's. Some people may be bothered by the fact not saying this is you, but if 99% loved the episode but 0.1% diddn't, and someone maybe be consistent on a thread about it, it stand's out more, sure everyone's entitled to an opinon, just saying it work's both ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbase Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Ugh ... This episode was terrible. I thought it was poorly written, and I think the writers have finally run out of ideas on what to do with Len/Pen. Howard's song was goofy and I think I've just about had enough of horse faced Amy mooning after her asexual boyfriend. These "relationship" episodes are the WORST! If this is what this show is going to be all about now, this may be the last season I watch it... What a shame. It used to be so brilliant. Â My heart thudded to the floor when they did the song. What a low point in the show. Not my favourite episode but I will say Sheldon/Jim has been on top form and the season started strong, but I expected a few stinkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3ku11 Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 My heart thudded to the floor when they did the song. What a low point in the show. Not my favourite episode but I will say Sheldon/Jim has been on top form and the season started strong, but I expected a few stinkers. Low point? Funny because their's a poll saying it was one of the best moment's of the entire series, it's funny people having opinions and automatically thinking it mean's fact. And not sure why you would expect a few stinker's, it's not like TBBT has a reputation for sucking haha, I thought the Howard song was awesome was expecting it too be corny, but it wasen't had a mix of science, comedy, and drama really touching JMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
menamena Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 I would not say she is a consistent character all the time, but she was consistent with the nature of her character in this scene. I agree they have written her to be rather inconsistent at times and we have all discussed that in the past. However, just in this episode specifically, I felt she was very consistent with what they wanted to portray in her and consistent with the nature of her character overall. Ah, but Chrismo, here was your original post and she was addressing it. You asked:   Raz was addressing this question, not your follow-on synopses.  When you ask someone to explain why they like something, they are going to answer you.  You may not agree with it; you may be the football fan instead of the romance fan, but honestly, I thought Raz explained it quite well and in a very lovely fashion at that. Bottom line, the tag was wonderful to fans because they see hope in it. They see it as a foreshadow of something to come.  It provides a taste of something that we can savor while we wait for the real thing.  I don't think every single scene or thing said in every episode is going to please everyone. However, it did please a large contingent of viewers.  Can we please just leave it at that?  Emphasis mine. Completely agree, Star. Some of those viewers which I want to add, are Male. See, unlike what some people over here believe about Shamy being a chick thing (as if that's a bad thing   ) , they probably don't go around to other forums of discussion - such as avclub, reddit or facebook where the majority of the commentors were male and commenting about how badly they wanted to see a kiss between Sheldon & Amy after that tag - infact most of them solely talked about the the Shamy scenes. So there are men who like and analyze Shamy? *shock horror* Apparently, people will just believe what they want to believe even if not true.  What can you do?  Also guys, can we cut djvang some slack? So he/she didn't like the episode - that's fine, he's entitled to his opinion. I don't see the point to calling him and/or insulting him for it. We're better than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tensor Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Also guys, can we cut djvang some slack? So he/she didn't like the episode - that's fine, he's entitled to his opinion. I don't see the point to calling him and/or insulting him for it. We're better than that. I'll be more than happy to cut him some slack, as soon as he cuts other people some slack. He offers what he keeps saying is his opinion of the show, in a rather derogatory and insulting fashion, and evidently expects no one to defend the show. It's also rather hypocritical of him to complain about others stating their opinion of his opinion of the show, when he demands others allow him his opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
menamena Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 (edited) I'll be more than happy to cut him some slack, as soon as he cuts other people some slack. He offers what he keeps saying is his opinion of the show, in a rather derogatory and insulting fashion, and evidently expects no one to defend the show. It's also rather hypocritical of him to complain about others stating their opinion of his opinion of the show, when he demands others allow him his opinion. I don't have a problem with posters civilly debating against his opinion. But a lot of posters are attacking him personally for his opinions on the episode. So he finds it the worst episode ever, but to be called insulting names (djpessimist) and told to just pre-post his opinions in a derogatory manner - honestly, that's crossing a line. I don't know why people don't just let him be instead of emphasizing to him that it has no impact on the opinion of the fanbase. Well, no shit - I don't think any of us are trying to post our opinions to convice each other, we just want to discuss our thoughts on the episode. So what if he found it the worst episode ever - his opinion does not make it true but he is entitled to it. Moreover, he has not personally attacked anyone - so I don't get why there are forum posters name-calling him and attacking him personally for his opinions. Edited October 26, 2013 by menamena Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJistheBOMB Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 (edited) I don't have a problem with posters civilly debating against his opinion. But a lot of the posters are getting inappropriately personal in their response to him. So he finds it the worst episode ever, but to be called insulting names (djpessimist) and told to just pre-post his opinions in a derogatory manner - honestly, that's crossing a line. I don't know why people don't just let him be instead of emphasizing to him that it has no impact on the opinion of the fanbase. Well, no shit - I don't think any of us are trying to post our opinions to convice each other, we just want to discuss our thoughts on the episode. So what if he found it the worst episode ever - his opinion does not make it true but he is entitled to it. Moreover, he has not personally attacked anyone - so I don't get why there are forum posters name-calling him and attacking him personally for his opinions. Dude is getting a high dose of his own medicine. You have no idea how he has treated others around here in the past (and probably to this day, I have him on ignore so I don't see what he does anymore, thank God). He can play the victim all he wants these days but everyone see's right through it. He has a right to dislike whatever he wants. That's no issue in my eyes. What IS an issue is that he has been known to be very disrespectful to those who feel differently than he and that's EXACTLY why he gets this kind of treatment now. He hasn't attacked anyone today? Good. Let's hope it stays that way. Edited October 26, 2013 by MJistheBOMB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djsurrey Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 The lyrics to Howard's song. Â http://popwatch.ew.com/2013/10/25/big-bang-theory-howard-song-lyrics/ Â The clip does not play in my location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
menamena Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Dude is getting a high dose of his own medicine. You have no idea how has treated others around here in the past (and probably to this day, I have him on ignore so I don't see what he does anymore, thank God). He can play the victim all he wants these days but everyone see's right through it. He has a right to dislike whatever he wants. That's no issue in my eyes. What IS an issue is that he has been known to be very disrespectful to those who feel differently than he and that's EXACTLY why he gets this kind of treatment now. He hasn't attacked anyone today? Good. Let's hope it stays that way. So does that mean we have to resort to his level? How are we better than him, then? I get that he's said some things in the past but I think when it comes to this episode thread - we should just discuss our opinions on the episode, not personally attack other people. Like I said earlier, we're better than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbase Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Low point? Funny because their's a poll saying it was one of the best moment's of the entire series, it's funny people having opinions and automatically thinking it mean's fact. And not sure why you would expect a few stinker's, it's not like TBBT has a reputation for sucking haha, I thought the Howard song was awesome was expecting it too be corny, but it wasen't had a mix of science, comedy, and drama really touching JMO. Â Not in my opinion. I visibly cringed. No one is automatically thinking their opinion is fact but we all have different tastes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajond Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Dude is getting a high dose of his own medicine. You have no idea how has treated others around here in the past (and probably to this day, I have him on ignore so I don't see what he does anymore, thank God). He can play the victim all he wants these days but everyone see's right through it. He has a right to dislike whatever he wants. That's no issue in my eyes. What IS an issue is that he has been known to be very disrespectful to those who feel differently than he and that's EXACTLY why he gets this kind of treatment now. He hasn't attacked anyone today? Good. Let's hope it stays that way. Why do people get so uptight about one poster's opinion. Even if he/she calls you names or makes derogatory comments. Remember sticks and stones....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koops Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 I don't understand why people think the song was a low point of the show, it's not like the show never had musical moments before: Sheldon playing and singing Fiddler on the Roof at the Cheesecake Factory, Howard romancing Bernadette at the Cheesecake Factory, Sheldon and Beverly singing karaoke, the guys playing Band Hero, Howard and Amy singing Neil Diamond. So, yes, the context was a bit sappier this time, but I thought the actual content of the song made a good job to dissipate the cheesiness (I also thought it was going to be a bit cringeworthy, but changed my mind when I heard the song). I personally still have "And he'd definitely still live with his mom" stuck in my head. LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redrose Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 An excellent episode for me. It was very emotional and consistant for our favorites ships : Shamy, Lenny and Howardette. Even Raj had his modest part but nicely fitted. It made me hold my breath and laughed out loud at the same time. Howard geeky song was perfect, Penny romantic gesture was IMO one of the best they could have gave her and the Shamy... Oh my.... the Shamy.... Beside the "most romantic" line from Sheldon which his my favorite part, the last scene was a cunning teaser for a SIK. The writers really got me. Ha ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3ku11 Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 (edited) Yeah thought this was episode of the season so far, and now really looking forward to Proton next Friday should be really good, a full on Science Episode. Obviousley the whole relationships is a big thing in the tbbt fandom, but tbh they made the show better. As if we were still watching a show about four lonely nerd's and their hottie neighbour, and Leonard was bringing over mail just as an excuse to talk to her, nothing changing, no one growing. It would be in a constant state of homeostasis. If Howard was still creepy, Penny was still isolated, Leonard was still submissive, Sheldon was still narcissistic, Raj was still mopy or a douche when drunk haha e.t.c. That premise would die pretty fast, the show has outgrown that premise after the first three season's, the character's maturing is what make's the show so unique and different. I have the feeling some don't like eps after three season's, because of supeirity complex, and nostalgia, everyone want's Sheldon to be a condesending ass till the end of the show, kinda the same with Seinfeild, they never changed at all, and neither did the premise, they remained self narcissistic, self indulgent, and jerk's to the end. And depending on your personal preferance that's maybe okay for some, but the first three season's if that was still happening I would get bored pretty quick, the show's been at it's best since Season Four IMO because of this. I mean you woulden't expect these character's in real life to not change at all in seven year's, so why do people expect it in a sitcom anyway. I get the character's don't need to change like Sheldon for example, for the sake of plot and character progression, but TBH it's the only way anything changes in situational comedies. Edited October 26, 2013 by 3ku11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantagrae Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 I loved that the song was so perfectly a Howard thing--sincere in expressing his true love for Bernadette (how she'd changed his life, how she supported his dreams and hopes, how he had no idea how good his life would get), but also clever in cramming in all the science/geek references. And what made it wonderful was the real emotion that Simon and Melissa were able to evoke, with Howard/Simon's voice trembling at the end and Bernie/Melissa getting all teary-eyed. Just because we see love expressed on the show doesn't mean it's sappy or cheesy. Sometimes people forget that there's nothing wrong with sentiment and sincere affection, that scientists can also be in love and still be geeky and clever. One thing does not preclude the other.  And the song is fitting with the show itself, how it can be sweet and loving but geeky and clever at the same time. I do think that Micucci and Lindhome did a great job in writing it. I loved the whole gang singing along because it was both rehearsed and impromptu--they had planned to accompany Howard in the first place, so it's not as if they just spontaneously broke into song, the way people do in movie musicals. They simply couldn't do it with their instruments, so they sang along instead, but it was a clever way of having everyone participate.  I really don't know what some people are looking for in how they seem to be continually disappointed in episodes that are, IMO, among the best the show has ever done. Do they expect some kind of rehashing of old plots and elements from past episodes? Because as far as jokes go, comedies don't really repeat what's been done before except for certain kinds of character things ("I'm not crazy--my mother had me tested") and even many of those have kind of fallen by the wayside as they became overused ("Bazinga!" anyone?)  But if certain plotlines have already been done, like, say, the fighting robots, they're not going to be done again. While certain devices may be used in different ways--the guys go to the Arctic, Howard goes to space, Leonard goes to the North Sea--they're not telling the same story each time because they've already been there, done that.  I think that while the romantic relationships may not be everyone's cup of tea, they're a real and organic part of how the characters and the show has developed, with each couple charting their own course in a way that is in character for each of them. IMO, that's what all shows should be aiming for--letting the characters evolve naturally as things happen to them, how certain experiences may change them, little by little. And TBBT has done just that. No one made a big leap from one point in life to another, not even Sheldon and Amy, though some people want to insist on it because somehow Sheldon hasn't stayed inside whatever box they wanted to put him in.  Anyway, I think the show is just climbing from one height to the next this season. I have not been in the least bit disappointed this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollyAndOatmeal Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 I don't have a problem with posters civilly debating against his opinion. But a lot of posters are attacking him personally for his opinions on the episode. So he finds it the worst episode ever, but to be called insulting names (djpessimist) and told to just pre-post his opinions in a derogatory manner - honestly, that's crossing a line. I don't know why people don't just let him be instead of emphasizing to him that it has no impact on the opinion of the fanbase. Well, no shit - I don't think any of us are trying to post our opinions to convice each other, we just want to discuss our thoughts on the episode. So what if he found it the worst episode ever - his opinion does not make it true but he is entitled to it. Moreover, he has not personally attacked anyone - so I don't get why there are forum posters name-calling him and attacking him personally for his opinions. I called him djpessimist because when you read the tone of the thread it's all find and dandy until you read his post. I said it with a smile on my face in jest, so I suggest you stop taking it so seriously.   Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmp Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 I checked again, and I cannot find Micucci and Lindhome credited for the song. That's a huge oversight, and it bothers me. They were, however, credited in this article, which also gives some great back story to the song: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/big-bang-theorys-kate-micucci-650835. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berliner Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 (edited) A Bad episode for me. Sheldon was great, really loved him this episode. And I even could tolerate Amy (she constantly changes her character, I've given up on her where she really stands). Howard's song with the gang was really goofy. Too long and way overdone imho - I didn't feel a thing. Howard is so boring now that I'm really beginning to think the writers have to bring in the baby - that's most likely the only storyline H&B have left. Oh dear. L&P were mediocore. So Penny just can't come up with a romantic idea / evening? It all seemed so forced. I pity Leonard, poor guy. Â Thanks to Sheldon and his outstanding performance, this episode was somehow saved. Â EDIT: changed too Bad. Edited November 20, 2013 by Berliner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djvang Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 My heart thudded to the floor when they did the song. What a low point in the show. Not my favourite episode but I will say Sheldon/Jim has been on top form and the season started strong, but I expected a few stinkers. That's the part of the episode that I hated. It reminded me of the Brady Bunch putting on a variety show or Potsie singing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangerMain Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 (edited) Do you really think I'm trying to impact anyone's opinions? Really? I don't think ANY opinions out could ever be changed. I'm just offering my own. I don't know why it bothers all of you so much that I don't agree with the vast majority.  So far this season I've rated 3 Very Good, 1 Okay, 1 Bad and 1 Very Bad. I'll bet that's much less "predicatable" than the vast majority. Do you accuse those who vote every episode Excellent of being "predictable"? Hmmmm?  Read what I said again. I said your opinion is "harmless". It bothers me for not even a nano-second and my opinion should effect you just as much.  You are perfectly free to hate the episodes all you like but the perception is that we only seem to hear from you when you want to rain on the happy delirium the fan base goes into when they see an episode that they respond to as great.  Maybe I missed your comments on episodes you like. Edited October 26, 2013 by BangerMain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djsurrey Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=internet%20troll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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