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Can anyone explain to me what happened with Amy's character?

She used to be just as Sheldon, kind of the reason why they started the relationship at all, but ever since she's been wanting more and more from the relationship, unlike Sheldon, who stayed like he was

(*In the episode, Amy says she made a contract with her mother that she'd try to find a date at least once a year)

It's probably for the better that she changed at all, because two Sheldon type of characters would make anyone explode

As of right now though, she comes over as desperate and dislikable (to me)

 

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Amy made new friends in Penny and Bernadette.

 

 

 

Amy continues to evolve. She is not so desperate as she once was. I generally enjoy the Amy character.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2sHZOu5OsA

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The second clip explains why Penny was apathetic to Leonard being assaulted by a pillow. Though the way she went about hitting Leonard was more violent, I think a blow to the face hurts more than one to the arm (speaking from pillow fighting experience). 

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The worst part about Amy in this episode was ... at each point of time ... she was looking to put her idea of moving in with Sheldon on the table...instead of trying to help Sheldon ...... extremely selfish...

 

i guess her and Sheldon are made for each other...  :p

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Can anyone explain to me what happened with Amy's character?

She used to be just as Sheldon, kind of the reason why they started the relationship at all, but ever since she's been wanting more and more from the relationship, unlike Sheldon, who stayed like he was

(*In the episode, Amy says she made a contract with her mother that she'd try to find a date at least once a year)

It's probably for the better that she changed at all, because two Sheldon type of characters would make anyone explode

As of right now though, she comes over as desperate and dislikable (to me)

 

Although I love the evolution of shamy, I was very surprise at the change in personality of Amy. Even if she is socialized with girls, I though the change was a little too radical sometimes, compared to Sheldon for that change is gradual.

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Sheldon is having to deal with an inevitability of life - change. No matter how the Lenny housing situation is resolved, it will be different and will exclude Sheldon. Sheldon trying to abandon string theory is interesting, as that is change without the need for change. String theory is in trouble but not disproved yet. There is still one more run at the Large Hadron Collider to go at its maximum capacity. Even then it just means current technology and the best version of supersymmetry aren't good. There are other variants to be explored. When you think about it, Sheldon is overreacting. He is required by his job to not change his field. Amy is being consistent in her quest to get intimate with Sheldon. The only change is the living arrangements. Leonard and Penny want to move in together somewhere without Sheldon. It has been clear from mid-season that this was inevitable. His best choice to keep as much intact in his life is to trade places with Penny. Otherwise Lenny will move away and he will get a new neighbor across the hall, at the least. Up until now, Sheldon has been able to dictate to others much of what happens. He can no longer do this. He must accept change, and likely compromise.

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Of course the other significant change is that his happy place just burnt down. He went to the comic book store to console himself and it was destroyed. The train station was just his next option.


Although I love the evolution of shamy, I was very surprise at the change in personality of Amy. Even if she is socialized with girls, I though the change was a little too radical sometimes, compared to Sheldon for that change is gradual.

 

That is a result of the esteem Amy felt towards Penny and the contempt Sheldon feels towards just about everyone (including his best friend Leonard).

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Of course the other significant change is that his happy place just burnt down. He went to the comic book store to console himself and it was destroyed. The train station was just his next option.

I forgot about that. However, he was looking for consolation because there is no way he can get what he wants. He could have been more constructive and actually helped Stuart, but he really didn't want to. Getting on a train really was the last pacifier he had left.

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I forgot about that. However, he was looking for consolation because there is no way he can get what he wants. He could have been more constructive and actually helped Stuart, but he really didn't want to. Getting on a train really was the last pacifier he had left.

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So he needed an escape. A lot of people do this by turning to a good book, a movie, a sitcom...  ...a video game or even long hours at work.

 

Sheldon is just an average person distorted by taking some quirks to an extreme.

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So he needed an escape. A lot of people do this by turning to a good book, a movie, a sitcom... ...a video game or even long hours at work.

Sheldon is just an average person distorted by taking some quirks to an extreme.

Going on a trip makes perfect sense if needed, especially on trains (both Sheldon and I like to travel on train, although not to his extreme). The problems he has have been in the works for a while though, and he's chosen to avoid them. The issues with string theory are just the breaks in the game. He is contractually obligated to study string theory. Experiments so far haven't worked out, so it is less likely to yield a Nobel Prize. There are other aspects he can expand on, but it just means things aren't working out easy.

The deal with Lenny wanting to move in together is inevitable, and someone supposedly as smart as Sheldon should be fully aware of it. For all intents and purposes, the Roommate Agreement is over. He will no longer be able to dictate to Leonard. He's got a shot with Amy and the Relationship Agreement, but that's not going to last long. In this regard, Sheldon is finding out that he cannot control people without their consent, and that's not normally forthcoming. I imagine the Roommate Agreement has djsurrey been in tatters for a while, and Sheldon has chosen not to acknowledge it. He can choose to stay in 4A, alone, with Amy, or find a new roommate. Lenny will move away. Or he can switch with Penny and salvage as much of the current arrangement as possible. Going away will not change that. Further, whether he likes it or not, things will change while he's gone, and without his input or consent. Going on an extended trip will present him with a done deal. Taken an afternoon off at the park makes sense to regroup mentally. Being a credit card holding hobo for an extended period doesn't.

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I was just re-watching this episode, and Leonard simply stated that he and Penny's future living arrangements would not involve Sheldon living with them. Beyond that he seemed open to how to accomplish that. I'm sure if Sheldon insisted on staying in 4A, Leonard would move out to a new place with Penny or into 4B. He was not insisting on Sheldon moving.

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Going on a trip makes perfect sense if needed, especially on trains (both Sheldon and I like to travel on train, although not to his extreme). The problems he has have been in the works for a while though, and he's chosen to avoid them. The issues with string theory are just the breaks in the game. He is contractually obligated to study string theory. Experiments so far haven't worked out, so it is less likely to yield a Nobel Prize. There are other aspects he can expand on, but it just means things aren't working out easy.

The deal with Lenny wanting to move in together is inevitable, and someone supposedly as smart as Sheldon should be fully aware of it. For all intents and purposes, the Roommate Agreement is over. He will no longer be able to dictate to Leonard. He's got a shot with Amy and the Relationship Agreement, but that's not going to last long. In this regard, Sheldon is finding out that he cannot control people without their consent, and that's not normally forthcoming. I imagine the Roommate Agreement has djsurrey been in tatters for a while, and Sheldon has chosen not to acknowledge it. He can choose to stay in 4A, alone, with Amy, or find a new roommate. Lenny will move away. Or he can switch with Penny and salvage as much of the current arrangement as possible. Going away will not change that. Further, whether he likes it or not, things will change while he's gone, and without his input or consent. Going on an extended trip will present him with a done deal. Taken an afternoon off at the park makes sense to regroup mentally. Being a credit card holding hobo for an extended period doesn't.

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Well yes you are right of course but he would out of character if he did not take this way beyond common sense. With Sheldon every thing is exaggerated.

 

Even Zack could have asked him "how could he possibly think we were going to blow up the moon that he would live withe Leonard forever."

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I just rewatched this episode.

 

I thought one of the most adorable part of Sheldon was confidence. Everytime he showed his belief-what Sheldon thinks 'truth'- that he's almost the best in science (for Sheldon, the smartest would be Hawking), and I really loved his attitude.

But now I can't find his cute, adorable characters at all....and it hurts me so bad, because it meas he is desperately aggravated at whole things going on around him...to lose his nature.

20minutes-a-day couldn't help handling his stress.

Even thougn, I do believe he can deal with everything at last. 

And that'll be the time when Sheldon grows, and that grown up Sheldon will show up at S8. Way to go Sheldon.

 

p.s. This site is unbelievable. Why didn't I hit uppon an idea to serach the fan site?

It seems reasonable, 'cause I'm not American.

Still, it's amazing, I never fell in love with my own coutry's sitcom in my life, but addicted to this sitcom :girlsmile:

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One moment I found really interesting, upon watching the episode for the 3rd or 4th time, was Amy's explanation of how Sheldon got upset over her comments to him "after [Leonard] got him all riled up" about moving.  Seems to me she really was trying to use Leonard's living arrangement discussion to her own advantage.

 

And again, I'm not saying that Amy is wrong for wishing she and Sheldon could live together, but I do think that my sense that she was trying to slip that suggestion in on him one more time was a little more calculated, not just some innocent passing comment.

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One moment I found really interesting, upon watching the episode for the 3rd or 4th time, was Amy's explanation of how Sheldon got upset over her comments to him "after [Leonard] got him all riled up" about moving. Seems to me she really was trying to use Leonard's living arrangement discussion to her own advantage.

And again, I'm not saying that Amy is wrong for wishing she and Sheldon could live together, but I do think that my sense that she was trying to slip that suggestion in on him one more time was a little more calculated, not just some innocent passing comment.

Its a bit passive/aggressive of her. Not her best moment, but funny. She's trying to absolve herself of contributing, but from one point of view she is the biggest factor in Sheldon's problem with himself. He has to recognize his nature. He is going to have to come out. :)

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Amy has shown that she will do what ever she can to bend Sheldon to her desires. Pushing a wedge between Sheldon and Leonard actually serves all purposes.

Well, there was the Dogboy comment, the observation on the diabolical treatment in "Itchy Brain" and her dalliance with Penny as she got through her girl crush issues. She is a natural competitor to Leonard as long as Sheldon gets his wants met by him. I think she has to wait for Sheldon to cede her the advantage from his recognition of his sexual need, which should tip the balance. But, I don't get Sheldon. There was the Shelnard hug. Maybe he'll come back a convert. The show has room for more diversity. I doubt it, but?

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Both Amy and Sheldon think of themselves as super-puppet-masters: they are intelligent and have spent most of their lives confined in places where intelligence affords an enormous advantages over your peers. But now they're playing with fire and failing quite spetacularly, both because their skills aren't that great and because they love the people they're manipulating too much to do what it takes.

 

Note the slick comment, Amy's cold reaction to Sheldon's non-breakup and to his growing old together rant, the Raiders/LHOTP episode, etc.

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Both Amy and Sheldon think of themselves as super-puppet-masters: they are intelligent and have spent most of their lives confined in places where intelligence affords an enormous advantages over your peers. But now they're playing with fire and failing quite spetacularly, both because their skills aren't that great and because they love the people they're manipulating too much to do what it takes.

Note the slick comment, Amy's cold reaction to Sheldon's non-breakup and to his growing old together rant, the Raiders/LHOTP episode, etc.

I think a lot of what bothers Sheldon is the gradual loss of control implicit in loving people. He can't handle losing Leonard, Penny or Amy. What he needs to realize is that change is not loss. His comment in the recent Professor Proton episode is pertinent in that all the men he respected left him by dying.

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Both Amy and Sheldon think of themselves as super-puppet-masters: they are intelligent and have spent most of their lives confined in places where intelligence affords an enormous advantages over your peers. But now they're playing with fire and failing quite spetacularly, both because their skills aren't that great and because they love the people they're manipulating too much to do what it takes.

Note the slick comment, Amy's cold reaction to Sheldon's non-breakup and to his growing old together rant, the Raiders/LHOTP episode, etc.

 

You know, I actually think that this is the best observation I have seen yet, because there is a great deal of debate which takes place about who is the bigger asshole in this relationship right now, and you just pointed out that they BOTH deserve the blue ribbon. Bravo, LMD3014. (what kinda name is that? That's like 7 syllables. I'm not saying 7 syllables in my head everytime I see your name, Mr. LMD3014. So, I have decided to call you Frank.) You're brilliant, Frank. Welcome to the forum, Frank. Nice pants you're wearing, Frank.

What was I talking about? Oh.

Who deserves better, or who should dump who, or who is manipulating or the jerk in the relationship - Sheldon or Amy. However, this observation really hits the nail on the head: the two of them have come to a stance in their relationship in which they are equally playing a dangerous game to get what they want, whether it's Amy trying to move the relationship forward towards more intimacy or Sheldon "sticking to his guns" to keep everything at the status quo yet in a relationship at the same time, even though romantic relationships are not meant to stay stuck in neutral for 4 goddamn years.

I recall that everyone thought that Bill and the writing staff were so cute when they came up with the concept of the Shamy relationship - a love affair between two scientists - as something that boiled down to a scientific principle: immovable object vs the irresistible force. But the second I heard it I was flipping tables, because what worked about Sheldon and Amy was their brutal honesty with each other, and when one made exceptions and tolerances for the other for the sake of the relationship over their own personal quirks. It took a relationship which was blossoming between two very innocent and inexperienced people who worked because of how they complimented each other, and changed the aspect of complimenting each other and coming from the same weird way of thinking into one of conflict and opposition. This finale about their relationship shows the ultimate outcome of setting them up along that principle - the immovable object notes he has the force locked down into a position where she's not getting her needs met by him but is prohibited from anyone else in one episode, and looks like a colossally selfish jackass, while the irresistible force counters with a bid to quite literally move by moving in together, trying to push things forward, and comes off as manipulating the situation of Leonard moving out to get herself in.

Quite a pair, aren't they?

The metaphor of the scientific principle even plays out. A universe in which there exists such a thing as an irresistible force is, by definition, a universe which cannot also contain an immovable object. And a universe which contains an immovable object cannot, by definition, also contain an irresistible force. They both cannot co-exist, the two would appear as if they are resting, but are actually transferring their infinite energies from one to the other. Equilibrium or a relation would never be establieshed since we're dealing in the infinite regarding energy, and it is an endless burning fire, of sorts, that these two are playing which which really could only end by going supernova, imploding into an endless black hole. Or, basically, a status quo combustion. Now only one is left, for they cannot exist together. Heavens, but please tell me writing Amy and Sheldon along the lines of this stupid metaphor is over.

Or take me out back and put me out of my misery, please.

I've hated this dynamic since they started it, and if they are serious about ending it - thank god. It's about time. This simply hasn't been fun at all, playing at this game of progression and regression over and over so much that I feel bipolar and exhausted at the end of this season. And for all of that energy, there's no payoff, no emotional satisfaction, just a huge explosion that sends both sides backwards, fleeing or in a rage, sending us back to square who knows what. Perhaps it's not even a square anymore, maybe we're onto triangles. How the hell should I know, down here in Flatland? It's a big, bold, juicy set up to something, but what we can't be sure. The cliffs they are a-hangin'. You'll find them all summer out behind the local 7-11, smoking Pall Malls, looking shifty-eyed, wearing black leather jackets, revving their motorcycle engines, and jeering at the pretty girls as they walk by. That's how hard they are hanging, those cliffs.

I haven't posted my feelings on this episode yet because I'm so conflicted, and I suspect I'll remain conflicted thorough the summer. In the long run, I think that this was a beautiful episode and I understand how it all came to this. I also think that this was a very carefully constructed episode, and even some of the things people are complaining about, in particular in regards to Amy, had to happen the way they did in order to make it all strike the right metaphorical chords and play out correctly. Normally, Amy is always there to give Sheldon a safe place to land when he wants to bitch or is upset, but if the writers really want to retool him and have him leave at the end of the season, she can't be there to do that. If they really want to have Sheldon grow up finally, and split away from Leonard and Penny as his surrogate parents, they both had to throw a lot of things at him (work, comic book store, rethinking his living arrangements) AND at the same time they needed to make sure Amy wasn't going to give him a respite from the full impact of it. And they make it clear that she's going to be a problem from the beginning, when she subtly asks Penny what the living arrangements will be now that she and Leonard are engaged, because that's clearly what Amy has been thinking about lately. And just when Sheldon is reaching the climax of his rant about the cruelty of the cold hard world (how dare Leonard move on from him, how dare the university expect him to do his job) and getting ready for smart Amy to soothe him with her usual triple threat of strawberry Quik, words of wisdom, and ego-stroking, she tries to slip one more suggestion of change in there (why not, already so many), and it's the last straw for him. He's out of there. He has one last refuge, one last place he can regress back to the safety and comfort of childhood and childhood things, and that's the comic book store. He can regroup and feed his inner child there.

Er. Oops. Not quite. Even that is gone. (How dare you, Stuart! Sheldon has NEEDS.)

And so Sheldon is going to run away, because he is overwhelmed and he needs time to think. It's an extreme road, but these are extreme times, and Sheldon is at a crossroads where he has to make choices, and he's unable to make him. In fact, he's been having a quiet meltdown over these choices for a long time - the whole mess of trying to chose between the XBOX and Playstation is a metaphor for it. He is in an endless spin of weighing all the pros and cons, in both his career and in his relationship too, unable to pick, thinking that he's pretty damn slick to make the woman who loves him and the whole world wait while he tries to make up his mind, trapped in the agony of doubt as he recalls all of the past decisions and declarations he's made that were wrong, not sure what to choose anymore and having no faith in himself to chose the right thing and butting up against the wall of his pride - and he's out of time but he needs more time. And then some stupid psychic, of all things, throws it in his face that his entire life hangs on this choice! Well, now there's some serious shit. It's his whole life, and all the problems with his career. And when he tests that, trying to change his field of study, President Siebert tells him no, and Sheldon has to be hearing the psychics words echoing in his head, apparently proving it might not all be pure marlarky, which is completely unacceptable.

So he'll run away from his problems and beg, borrow and steal that time, just a little longer, and in the meantime his surrogate parents are going to show up to hug him and kiss him and send him off, because somewhere in making these choices there is the possibility of becoming a man, or at least a "real boy." So Pinocchio has had his strings cut, and it'll be a whole summer before we know the consequences of this.

I agree with those who posted that the scene in the train station - which was beautiful and dark and moving beyond almost anything the show has ever shown before - really needed to be just between Leonard, Sheldon and Penny. Leonard and Penny had no idea they were going to find that Sheldon was running away when they got there, so there was no reason to call Amy. And they made the decision at the time which was the right one and the metaphorical parental one - it's time to ship our baby off and let him face his own choices and their consequences. No more enabling, no more babysitting, and in a way Penny is right - this should be good for him.

The other side of the equation has her moment too; Amy keeps her cool as usual with Sheldon, but her real hurt and rage over her jilted status comes when she whacks Leonard with the pillow. Penny observes and, too smart to get in the middle of that mess, decides to observe her engagement ring (. o Ooo - SHINY!) and let her best friend beat the hell out of her finance for the decision which Penny herself made. I'm not sure that was Penny's finest moment, but at the same time I'm not sure I blame her for keeping her head down. So we know how Amy really feels about all of this, and she doesn't have a cool head either. In fact, Amy needs to change and have a summer of self-reflection just as badly as Sheldon does. She tried to move forward her own agenda at a time Sheldon was at his lowest, and she's obviously completely deluded and deflecting all over the place. Even after Sheldon shoots down the entire concept of their future together, she's worried about him. And the fact he's upset and can't see the beauty in her plan to live together? Well, that's not Sheldon's stance; it's Leonard's fault. And the person to blame for Sheldon's departure isn't something to hold her perfect Sheldon accountable for either; that's also Leonard's fault and he has to take the assault of her disappointment and despair.

Poor Leonard. Of all the bashing out there, the anti-Leonard movement is the one I least understand. The man is a fucking saint. And a cute, bespeckled, curly-headed one at that. If Penny ever messes up, I'll stand in line with Alex and the other girls to grab him. No problem.

So, what's done is done. And even though I kinda hate to admit it, Penny is probably right: this all might be for the best.

If.

And here's the big IF, here is the crux of the problem though: all of this will only pay off if Sheldon and Amy actually grow up and make some changes. This means that the writers have to mean it when they say they are combusting the status quo. The reason I am dissatisfied and even torn about this ending is that this whole season, from the perspective of a Shamy fan, has been like having really bad whiplash when it comes to observing Sheldon as they teach him the mighty lessons of life and love - supposedly - only to have him revert to being a douchebag in the next episode. Sheldon shows maturity! No wait, Sheldon is a child. Sheldon comes through for someone he loves and shows maturity! No, wait, Sheldon is hardly anything more than Leonard and Penny's pet dog. Sheldon shows some maturity again! No, wait, now he's torturing someone again. And if Sheldon being such a blockhead that he's unable to internalize any of the lessons he's learning about himself and the people he cares about isn't bad enough, we have Amy.

Amy, who tries to pull back from Sheldon and finds him all over her, the flame to her moth, keeping her in place. So she comes closer, and he pushes her back again, back into the place he wants her. She can't move, she's a victim of the world's craziest bag of mixed messages. Her hope is kept alive by tons of little things, tiny crumbs, which indicate how much he loves her, but he won't say he does or act like he does, so she's having to fish for it or "be good" and she's missed the fact Sheldon has carved her spine right out of her as he works to mold her, like he did with Leonard, into another person to cater to his every whim. She's a shadow of what she used to be, in this game where Sheldon is right in front of her, offering the cake but then yanking it back again, in this unending agony of "maybe," which Sheldon selfishly wants to stretch on foooorrrrreeeeeevvvvverrrrrrr, and somehow she's bought into the idea that if she's a good girl and just hangs on long enough she'll get the prize being dangled in front of her face, telling her sweet things sometimes, but never letting her actually achieve the goal or eat the cake. And she's invested too much to let go, so she presses on.

But make no mistake, for how manipulative Amy has become over time, Sheldon needs to held accountable for at least half of the problem. He's kept Amy in the limbo of "maybe" for over a year since she first asked about sexual intimacy, never making up his mind about it. In the meantime, he uses her for support and comfort and companionship and is blatantly sexually possessive of her, as he brags to Raj, but is still indecisive about pushing forward with expressing love in a physical way.

And as for flipping gender perspectives and it's-all-about-sex crap - it's not all about sex. The show did this with Leonard too, and his "I did this to get sex at the end of the night." As Koops as pointed out, this is something sitcoms over-simplify: sex is love and love is sex. And to be all Sheldony about it, you have to take it "cum graino salis," which is Latin for, "with a grain of salt," which is me showing off because that's how I roll.

Aren't you glad you read this far? I teach, yo. I'm fucking selfless.

Anyway.

Amy clearly doesn't want Sheldon just for sex, she wants it as an expression of her feelings, so she has a full spectrum of self-expression available to her. But she also doesn't have any clear time period or ceremony or "hoop" that Sheldon wants her to jump through either, nothing that she could do or should do that would matter to him to show commitment so he will feel ready. He hasn't given her anything to work with, nothing like....if you wait for this long, or if we get married, or if you stop mentioning it, or if we experiment with kissing or touching, or anything for her to really be able to work with or comprehend or do to encourage him forward. It's just "maybe" and that's the end of the discussion. It's got to be maddening being in her position, not sure what she should do or how she should do it or if she needs to cut her losses and give up. And for him to think he can spend an eternity in "maybe" and keep her on the ropes as long as he wants or until he decides is just insane, and that selfishness is becoming more than maddening, it's bordering on unforgivable, and if he won't pick a deadline for himself, than Amy must, or she is going to turn into something empty and bitter and jaded.

And this is why you see again and again....Poor Amy. Poor, poor Amy.

Ah, the highs and lows of Shamy shipping. Am I dead yet? Dear show, am I supposed to be enjoying this yet? Will you tell me when this gets fun? Being bipolar isn't FUN. At least I don't think it is, and I'm going to go find someone who is bipolar and ask them if it ever gets better. (Hey Charlie Sheen, when will we be WINNING?!)

Theoretically, there's a lot of dynamic, interesting, and touching things which have been done so far. I should trust the writers, I am told. But this season has been so erratic, particularly with pacing and characterization, that I feel toyed with and pulled in many different directions. Moreover, and more important, two things:

1) Stale bread - once you have the characters in your head a certain way, it's easy to write them and hit all the usual notes because you've gotten good at it. But the bad thing with things being easy is that it also makes you lazy, and makes things stale. (Did you know Raj is metrosexual and people mistake him for being gay? Did you know Bernadette shrieks like a harpy? Did you know Mrs. Wolowitz is really, really fat? Didja know Sheldon doesn't want to have sex and Amy does? I know these messages are subtle, but again, I'm here to educate you.) It's hard to innovate when you're heading into season 8, and you need to push everyone forward to a new vision and carry through the growth. I have to say - they have managed to do it rather smoothly with Raj and Howard's progression. Leonard and Penny have been a lot more bumpy, but their on-off again love affair is the usual for the supercouple at the heart of a TV show. The evidence about Sheldon is really iffy - he was hugging Leonard one episode, and shoving Raj rudely out the door in the next. Kissing Amy in one episode, coldly trying to break up with her in the next.

Sheldon is the most iconic and complex character - he's not easy to write in the first place, nor as easy to grow as Howard or Raj have been, with their more singular issues. And now that they have settled Lenny with an engagement, married Howard, and broken Raj's selective mutism, the mystery of Sheldon's "deal," and by that I mean not only sex, but also his general child-like innocence, which has been wearing thin for a long time and after this season seems only an illusion, we know now that often he's just being selfish and cruel to people on purpose, knowing full well what he's doing, so that is over. Sheldon is no longer able to get away with his tricks because he no longer stands behind the excuse of innocence and lack of ability to comprehend. This "deal" or "innocence" of Sheldon is the last and greatest sacred cow from the original version of these characters that has to be taken out back and shot.

Will they? Can they? (People will bitch about it forever if we do, right? I mean, they already are. Repeatedly.) Is it possible to come up with a concept of a "real boy" Sheldon, vs the wooden puppet one, which is still as funny and beloved and "Sheldony" as the original? Even if they can write him that way for 3 episodes after his trip, will they be able to keep it up? Will Bill, Chuck and Steve all have the same vision, or will Steve write 3 episodes where Sheldon is more mature, and then Chuck steps in a writes an episode to prove Sheldon is still the same old selfish asshole we've come to know his season, and that nothing changes? Can the writing staff come together and put on their Blue Fairy costume and wave a magic wand and turn the wooden toy into a real boy? It's a Herculean task, but it's obviously what this finale has set them up for, and if they fail to execute on it it's going to be enraging.

2) What about Amy? - Amy is broken too. Like, badly. She used to be my favorite character and I almost despise the person who she has become. She's gone from someone who was brutally honest to someone who is manipulative. From someone who could tell off every single character on the show at some time or another to someone who is weak and holding herself back. Not to mention, someone who is blindly in love and oblivious to faults and problems in the relationship, deflecting those issues onto other people and, in general, way too wrapped up in her own agenda. Amy can't see the forest for the trees anymore, and even though I do think that Sheldon is responsible for a lot of that by driving her to the edge of her patience, she needs to get a clue and do some work on herself. Amy, also, needs a massive reset, because the character as she is now is hardly recognizable from the original girl who shared Sheldon's aversion to soiled hosiery, and the girl seriously needs to get her groove back. That, also, requires the writers being able to visualize her in a different way than they have, and write her as something and someone other than the punch line and punching bag of half the show. But a comedy needs a punchline, and frumpy, awkward, blunt, sexually frustrated and victimized Amy suits those purposes so well. Right? Well, not for me it doesn't. It's not a look or act which works for her, to me, and being jilted by Sheldon is an opportunity for her to come to her senses as much as it is for Sheldon to come to his.

Oh Blue Fairy, whack Amy Farrah Fowler upside the head with your magic wand too. She could use a heavy sprinkling of that priceless dust of yours. But will a supporting character and the lowest paid member of the entire cast be given the same amount of thought as the star? Or any of the others? I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

In any case. That's all I have kept bottled up in one big dump. I guess I'll see you all at the end of September.

Have a nice summer!

Edited by Lionne

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@Lio I already liked your post but this is such a thorough analysis that I really wanted to say that I liked it very much!

 

Firstly, it kept me company through the bus ride back home and it was interesting as well as witty so thank you very much for that. There are some things I disagree with you but you but you analyze this so deeply that it's only logical. Anyway I don't even think my objections are on critical points. For, example I think that Lenny should have called Amy when they found out where Sheldon is simply because they knew she was worried about him. I mean even they got worried about him at some point. Even if Sheldon returned home wouldn't it have been perfectly logical if Leonard or Penny called her to let her know he is fine and at home?? But I cannot blame them because at least in my eyes the writers overlooked that it is logical that Amy would have find out or she would be brought up at some point because they needed create such a big cliffhanger. They meant not to give resolution (even if it wasn't the best way for me) so that people will tune in for season 8. So I blame them. Same with Penny's reaction. For me (and I cannot stress this enough this is just my opinion) the tag was one of the worst moments of Penny. But I cannot blame her really. It's all part of that ''why not make fun of Amy'' logic.

 

Plus the ''maybe it's for the best'' advice doesn't sit well with me. I am not saying Penny was wrong. On the contrary she was absolutely right. For Sheldon this is the best but is this the best for Amy?? Maybe it is but even if it is it will be on the long run after a considerable amount of hurt. And that is not something she chose or got to have a say. It was like someone pushed her into deep waters and now she has to swim even if she doesn't know how so that advice in addition to that bored expression she had on her face strikes me as a bit cynical (and look who's talking lol...).

 

Anyway, these are really meaningless aspects. I agree with pretty much the rest of your post. After we learned about the finale I posted something about Amy. I really want her to think during Sheldon's absence and actually question herself why she changed so much. To reconsider some things and re-evaluate them. Inevitably re-evaluate her relationship with Sheldon and her relationships in general. To realize her own mistakes and the situations when she shouldn't just be the patient good girlfriend. The only time that Amy really bugged me this season was with the table episode. That was manipulation and I wonder is that the relationship she wants to have?? One in which Sheldon will freak out every now and then and try to escape only for her to manipulate him back in?? I remember some people saying that she wasn't manipulating him just helped him to clear his head and think logically but she didn't actually adress the real problem. The real problem is that Sheldon cannot deal with change. She shouldn't cover his eyes and reassure him that everything is fine and that is what is backfiring at her. The whole moving in thing was probably the trigger they needed. They had an episode about that last year so they just had Amy say once or twice that she wanted to live with Sheldon and here you go. I still think that Amy has a perfect and so not true idea about what living with someone means. Probably filled with counterfactuals and tea (thanks to another brilliant post of yours on the shamy thread thank you very much again) and possibly with conventionally romantic evenings. That's why she needs to think and find herself again. Sheldon keeps her in an emotional rollercoaster with the mixed messages and a push and pull attitude so up to a point I can really see why she behaves the way she does. You said everything wonderfully about that so I won't say more. I just hope she will notice that she changed so much and even Sheldon tried to exploit her adoration at times he truly prefers the other Amy with Romance Resonace being the best example. He only appreciated the brutal truth.

 

But provided that the writers will handle this well all of that mess that drives us nuts causing feelings of love and hate withing seconds can be explained in a convincing way. Yes Amy used to be like Sheldon and his perfect match. Yes she changes very much cause she couldn't handle all the new things in her life. And now she realizes that and will adopt her new life to her character and not the other way around (I sense there is something seriously wrong about the way I said that but I guess you get the meaning). As I said Amy is a complex character and it just isn't believable when she is tread as a plot device or the joke of the show.

 

I want to believe that the times we got to see sassy and quirky Amy this season indicate she will go towards that. I mean it is more than obvious that she doesn't idolize Penny anymore. She loves her still but she can see her as she really is with her flaws and she still loves her which only makes it better to me. So I hope Sheldon comes closer to her next season just like he did with everyone but Amy and she stops putting him on a pedestal just like she did with Penny. I actually think this has great potential but the way I have it in my mind there is a lot of drama (why did they have to open that door??? now I just want more drama pfff ).

 

I have nothing else to comment on just that I agree with you and enjoyed your post. I was looking forward to it thank you for taking the time to write it.

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[email protected] your post is so interesting! I agree with you in many ways.

 

I haven't posted my feelings on this episode yet because I'm so conflicted, and I suspect I'll remain conflicted thorough the summer. In the long run, I think that this was a beautiful episode and I understand how it all came to this. I also think that this was a very carefully constructed episode, and even some of the things people are complaining about, in particular in regards to Amy, had to happen the way they did in order to make it all strike the right metaphorical chords and play out correctly. Normally, Amy is always there to give Sheldon a safe place to land when he wants to bitch or is upset, but if the writers really want to retool him and have him leave at the end of the season, she can't be there to do that. If they really want to have Sheldon grow up finally, and split away from Leonard and Penny as his surrogate parents, they both had to throw a lot of things at him (work, comic book store, rethinking his living arrangements) AND at the same time they needed to make sure Amy wasn't going to give him a respite from the full impact of it. And they make it clear that she's going to be a problem from the beginning, when she subtly asks Penny what the living arrangements will be now that she and Leonard are engaged, because that's clearly what Amy has been thinking about lately. And just when Sheldon is reaching the climax of his rant about the cruelty of the cold hard world (how dare Leonard move on from him, how dare the university expect him to do his job) and getting ready for smart Amy to soothe him with her usual triple threat of strawberry Quik, words of wisdom, and ego-stroking, she tries to slip one more suggestion of change in there (why not, already so many), and it's the last straw for him. He's out of there. He has one last refuge, one last place he can regress back to the safety and comfort of childhood and childhood things, and that's the comic book store. He can regroup and feed his inner child there.

Er. Oops. Not quite. Even that is gone. (How dare you, Stuart! Sheldon has NEEDS.)

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I agree with those who posted that the scene in the train station - which was beautiful and dark and moving beyond almost anything the show has ever shown before - really needed to be just between Leonard, Sheldon and Penny. Leonard and Penny had no idea they were going to find that Sheldon was running away when they got there, so there was no reason to call Amy. And they made the decision at the time which was the right one and the metaphorical parental one - it's time to ship our baby off and let him face his own choices and their consequences. No more enabling, no more babysitting, and in a way Penny is right - this should be good for him.

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What about Amy? [...] being jilted by Sheldon is an opportunity for her to come to her senses as much as it is for Sheldon to come to his.
 

 

 

Sheldon's world are collapsing. And he runs away from a place to another one; from a problem to another one.

University: the principal does not allow him to change field of studies

Home: Leonard tells him that he will have to live alone

Amy's house: she suggests the possibility of living together

Comic book store: the place he needs when is sad went up in smoke

Metaphorically, the places of his daily life are no longer "his safe places". The train is. There he is confortable.

The journey has always been a metaphor for change and growth: you leave and let go something behind you, while you search something that will drive you to the destination.

When Sheldon will go back to his safe places, he will "live" there in a different way. I hope.

 

The train station scene was powerful, sweet and moving. I admit, I've empathized with Sheldon. He looks like lost and upset. And when he says "it doesn't matter", I thought I melt like a popsicle in the sun. For me, this scene made sense as it was. And I was glad to heard Penny say clearly they cuoldn't protect him forever. So we will not longer see Lenny act like a surrogate parents for Sheldon. I hope.

 

The Sheldon's departure will help both of Shamy. Their relationship was in a state of deadlock. Something had to happen. Something that forces them to meet face to face and decide if take the same or the opposite direction. I hope (for the first one).

 

Anyway, It was a great season finale. Maybe they would have to balance the tension between drama and comedy. Except in the opening scene where they shared the joy for Raj and the Lenny's engagement, I laughed hard only thanks to some Bernadette's line and in the Howerdette/Stuart/Ms "Debbie" Wolowitz' scene.

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