Ship Zone [Spoilers]Shamy S8 Thread

[phantagrae]

So basically Amy let's Sheldon come back and act like everything is OK when storming off around the country is not a rational thing to do!!!!!

 

Where did they say that?

[Chaliceinnana]

Tensor, I agree, we don't know how Sheldon's come back will play out, but we know now the aftermath will be a return to the status quo.

 

Amy is back to fighting for scraps of progress. It's not really news.

[fitzsimmons]

Sorry guys, I really tried to word the question in a way that would get us the most information. T_T That's why I asked what his walkabout means for the relationship but I think they got distracted by my also asking if they would be happy.

And yes Molaro did say that Sheldon did not leave because of Amy. I forgot about that because he said it while I was being ushered away from the mic.

[fitzsimmons]

Wait a sec. Does that mean Sheldon never took the train?

No no no sorry poor wording. They meant that his leaving was not because of Amy, that she wasn't the reason he left.

[rachelshamyfan]

Malarkey is the right word

Am going to forget about it all now and wait till the taping news comes out before I go completely bonkers

[Chrystalie]

No no no sorry poor wording. They meant that his leaving was not because of Amy, that she wasn't the reason he left.

Yeah, I deleted my message right after I realized I misunderstood. 

Thank you for giving us something about Shamy

[Trinabeana78]

Hmm, I read all the tweets and everything, and I didn't see anything that said the Shamy relationship would return to status quo. I don't think we can infer anything from what was said by the writers other than, Sheldon didn't leave because of Amy, and that they have their own version of happy. I mean, they weren't going to come there and say "well, Sheldon will come back ready to change his ways and be the best boyfriend ever."

 

Non-answers and evasions are the standard. I didn't expect anything different. They've been saying a version of that immovable Sheldon, force of nature Amy thing for years. If that were to change, that would be a huge spoiler and I don't think they would say anything about it. Maybe it will, maybe it won't, but I don't think anything that came out today can be used to say one way or the other.

[fitzsimmons]

Idk I think it's pretty big to hear that Amy wasn't the reason he left, especially from Molaro, because that was something we all took a bit of offense to when the episode broke. So I think it means good things for Shamy that the writers don't see any peril in their future. And honestly, half my goal for asking the question was to rep the fan support directly to the writers, and based on the audience applause and cheering when I said as much, I'm glad they at least now see what the fans want.

[notchinc]

It seemed hopeful for progress. The audience cheered and applauded when I said I was happy with their progress in s7. I'll upload the audio later so people can gauge it themselves.

Molaro also just said that if you look at the progress the guys have made over the course of the show, the ladies are the cause of that.

Yay!!! That was your question that made the room applaud. Congrats!!! Thanks for promoting the Shamy.

[phantagrae]

Malarkey is the right word

Am going to forget about it all now and wait till the taping news comes out before I go completely bonkers

 

I think that the problem is that so many people had it in their heads that Sheldon ran away from Amy and that she was somehow broken by this, or that he did something heinous to her that he would have to be groveling over.

 

Since his leaving wasn't about her, his situation when he returns will also not be specifically about her, either.  His journey away was never intended to be about transforming him into some other kind of person.

 

It looks to me that they were saying that he will continue to struggle and that Amy won't settle for him not making progress.  That doesn't mean that he will resent her efforts to bring him forward.  It simply means that it's never going to be natural for him to be some romantic cliche of a boyfriend.

And that their happiness is not like that of other people.  Their standards are different just like their relationship is different.  They don't need to jump in the sack after 3 dates to be happy.  They don't need to be like everyone else to be happy.

 

That doesn't mean that there will be no progress for them.  Just that their progress will always be different.

[Maddie]

MichyGeary, thanks so much for asking the question and sharing and explaining the answer to us! I'm happy to hear Amy wasn't the reason Sheldon left, and that he doesn't want to lose her. Even though I already had inklings, it's nice to hear it from the writers.

[koops]

Ok, first things first... I can't believe I rushed trying to post my fanfic update thinking we would get spoilers today and.... nope! 

 

About Shamy, I don't think we have heard anything particularly new. The same old, same old paradox crap, and them evading any sort of meaningful answer. I think it does sound like there will be no breakup on the horizon for these two, and I'm of two minds about that, like I've said before, since a part of me think it would be a breath of fresh air and this push-and-pull dynamic has been stinking for well over a year now, and another part of me is intrigued and happy to see that the writers do not appear to want to resort to the cliche' breakup and instead might try to navigate them in a different manner through their issues.

 

The two things that pleased me about the panel were that the kiss was a really big deal for them and they took it very seriously when writing it (some might have preferred the gentler version of the SIK, but I frankly prefer the one we got - I'm sure there will be time for gentler ones later on) and that they said it out loud that Sheldon doesn't want to lose Amy. I think it's the first time we hear them say that Sheldon is really invested in keeping her in his life, rather than just being "used" to having her around, that it takes effort for him to have her, but she's worth whatever effort he puts in.

 

The thing that displeased me the most is the fact that it doesn't appear like Amy's side of the equation will be taken into account about Sheldon's departure. Regardless of the fact that he didn't leave *because* of her, I would like to see Amy having some sort of reaction to this situation that isn't just waiting to settle back into the status quo, and not because I want drama or passive-aggressiveness, but just because if she loves him as much as she seems to, I can't buy that she wouldn't be upset or sad or angry at the situation. I'm tired of Molaro dismissing her all the time like she's just some prop. 

 

Anyway, we shall wait and see when the taping report comes out in... 11 days. *gulp*

 

Thank you Michy for asking the question! I did guess correctly that that was your question I think it was very cleverly worded, too bad they always manage to find a way to be cagey about it. But I'm happy to hear you got some good vibes.

Edited July 25, 2014 by koops

[Cecilia]

The way I took it was that Sheldon is struggling with the fact that what would make Amy happy is something he's not ready for yet; not just in terms of sex but any intimacy, other aspects of relationships that he struggles with, really committing to her, etc. But the fact that he doesn't want to lose Amy is what moves him forward, because in order to keep her, he has to face these things and move forward. That's how I took it anyway. I really did get a good vibe from all the answers, even if it wasn't terribly forthcoming in details.

 

Thank you Michy!!!

 

As for Amy not being the reason he left..Well we already knew that. She is part of the reason but not the reason. That doesn't mean that Amy can't be hurt about him leaving tho (just an opinion I know we all disagree about that). But I don't think it's totally illogical to assume that they were just trying to sugar coat the finale. Irdk.

[fitzsimmons]

Thank you Michy!!!

As for Amy not being the reason he left..Well we already knew that. She is part of the reason but not the reason. That doesn't mean that Amy can't be hurt about him leaving tho (just an opinion I know we all disagree about that). But I don't think it's totally illogical to assume that they were just trying to sugar coat the finale. Irdk.

All of this is very true. I really hope they do consider Amy's feelings in Sheldon's departure and handle it properly in season eight but I guess we'll see. But overall they had a lot of positive things to say, I think, even if it was platitudes and smoke.

[koops]

All of this is very true. I really hope they do consider Amy's feelings in Sheldon's departure and handle it properly in season eight but I guess we'll see. But overall they had a lot of positive things to say, I think, even if it was platitudes and smoke.

 

Was there anything that stood out to you that was not reported, perhaps? 

[rachelshamyfan]

I definitely like the version we got

I believe I described it as

"Erotically intimate"

[denajeanx]

Reading it on Twitter was very difficult as far as the context of the questions. That may have lead me to a small meltdown so I am glad I came to the thread to read the full context.

 

I think we are always going to have the "push and pull" dynamic of their relationship. Imo, that's never going to change because that's the only way Sheldon will change. It sounds like it will be a progressive season for them.

 

Thanks Michy!

[Maddie]

I loved the kiss we got too. To me it felt very realistic, whereas if he would have kissed her tenderly because he loved the train I would have thought it was a bit OOC for Sheldon at that point. Instead we got to hear Amy tell him she DESERVES romance, which she absolutely does. Then we saw him falter a bit and let his emotions get the best of him. He started out angry, yes, and trying to prove a point that romance is stupid, but halfway through he can't pull away, halfway through we see him prove himself wrong, and in that moment he doesn't care about being wrong. He just wants to keep kissing her. And the aftermath, IMO, is just as good as the actual kiss. He looks so in love with her. The way he said "good" and asked her to go with him still gives me goosebumps. You can see clearly that change has been made, like Jim said. Their relationship reached a whole new level.

Sorry, haha. As you can see I'm still crazy over this kiss.

[fitzsimmons]

Was there anything that stood out to you that was not reported, perhaps?

It's hard to verbalize, but when the guy asked if Sheldon and Amy would "get down to business," Eric Kaplan asked from what motivation he asked the question because if you watch the show because you enjoy the characters, do you want to sort of break the illusion by having the writers tell you whether or not it'll happen. It sounded a lot to me like what they were saying was, "If we tell you it's never gonna happen, will you lose interest?" But that is completely my interpretation. For all I know, they could have meant the opposite. That was the biggest question side-step of all, I think. They tried to leave it pretty open-ended without saying much on the matter. But that is the question that sparked all of Prady's words on Sheldon and Amy that we've all talked about here, so make of that what you will, I suppose?

[kerrycec03]

I loved the kiss we got too. To me it felt very realistic, whereas if he would have kissed her tenderly because he loved the train I would have thought it was a bit OOC for Sheldon at that point. Instead we got to hear Amy tell him she DESERVES romance, which she absolutely does. Then we saw him falter a bit and let his emotions get the best of him. He started out angry, yes, and trying to prove a point that romance is stupid, but halfway through he can't pull away, halfway through we see him prove himself wrong, and in that moment he doesn't care about being wrong. He just wants to keep kissing her. And the aftermath, IMO, is just as good as the actual kiss. He looks so in love with her. The way he said "good" and asked her to go with him still gives me goosebumps. You can see clearly that change has been made, like Jim said. Their relationship reached a whole new level.

Sorry, haha. As you can see I'm still crazy over this kiss.

my feelings exactly!!  The kiss was perfection. 

[CentralPerk]

It's hard to verbalize, but when the guy asked if Sheldon and Amy would "get down to business," Eric Kaplan asked from what motivation he asked the question because if you watch the show because you enjoy the characters, do you want to sort of break the illusion by having the writers tell you whether or not it'll happen. It sounded a lot to me like what they were saying was, "If we tell you it's never gonna happen, will you lose interest?" But that is completely my interpretation. For all I know, they could have meant the opposite. That was the biggest question side-step of all, I think. They tried to leave it pretty open-ended without saying much on the matter. But that is the question that sparked all of Prady's words on Sheldon and Amy that we've all talked about here, so make of that what you will, I suppose?

 

I think what writers mean is keep the suspense on this topic it is why some spectator follow the show, for this suspense. Whatever their response, it would lose interest to know.

[kerrycec03]

I think what writers mean is keep the suspense on this topic it is why some spectator follow the show, for this suspense. Whatever their response, it would lose interest to know.

which kinda confirms a big step like that is very very very far away...I see season 10.....LOL

[koops]

I agree with Kaplan on that tbh, I never understand when people essentially ask how a story will end. If you are a fan, why would you want to know the answer to that question? And, to be honest, if you are a fan you *would* know the answer already. The writers will never tell you "Yes, this is what will happen." 

 

About Sheldon always needing to be pushed to change, I don't think that's true. I became a fan of these two in S4 and 5 because it was the exact opposite: Sheldon changed of his own will just because Amy had such a lure to her for him that he couldn't resist. So they showed that Sheldon *can* change without resistance. Denial maybe, but not resistance. I think the writers have gotten such tunnel-vision about this couple at the moment, that they can't seem to see anything else but push-and-pull. I am personally bored with this dynamic, it's all fine and dandy for a while but it's been 3 years now and they keep repeating the same thing over and over. You can still make it interesting and drag it out by turning the tables or by softening the edges of the push-and-pull to a more endearing attraction-despite-oneself dynamic. But, again, what's lacking really is Amy's POV. They never seem to consider the story from her POV other than when she has to demand something, and I think that if they did they would have so many new avenues for story telling other than same old, same old. 

 

Maddie, ITA about the kiss. The change from anger to love is what makes it so great, I don't think it would have been as obvious that Sheldon was so swooned if he had been happy to start with. To me, the aftermath of the kiss is even better than the kiss itself, I think if Sheldon had just planted one on Amy ala napkin-hug or tiara-kiss, it would have been cute, but nowhere near as meaningful, IMO.

[mamallama]

I definitely like the version we got

I believe I described it as

"Erotically intimate"

Definitely love the version of SIK we got.  I'd much rather it be like it was, him going there out of anger and surprised to find he really liked it rather than him OOC and just going for it.  I think this is so much more Sheldon, having to be pushed to do something out of his comfort zone out of, ie, out of anger or Amy nudging him forward and finding it wasn't as bad as he thought it was going to be before embracing it and getting to his next plateau of comfort.

[totabcn]

They could've had him kiss her out of happiness and get lost in the kiss. Just like the one we got except without the angry part. So it could've gone from happy to even more happy. But I agree that the transition from angry to happy was much more passionate

And I'm so much happier that they chose to go with the one we got cause it's true, Maddie, we got that "I DESERVE romance" which made me swoon and throw my fist in the air!