Ship Zone [Spoilers]Shamy S8 Thread

[amethyst]

As the first taping has gotten nearer I've been convincing myself to keep my hopes low and not expect too much.....oh well that plan just got shot down in flames!! :-)

[Rae]

I love how Molaro said "the more attached he becomes to her." The more attached. Insinuating that he's already attached to her, which is a relief to hear, because even though that should be palpable, it wasn't to me after the finale. Not really. Amy was the one haplessly attached, she was the one mourning the one wailing Leonard with a pillow, while Sheldon was happily bouncing around on the train. 

 

Shall the tables be turned, for once, and not flipped in rage?

 

The "but by the time he gets back, he might not like trains anymore!" line was interesting, too. It shows that maybe Sheldon didn't enjoy his journey as much as they presented in the finale's tag scene. Maybe he won't return happy, unblemished and enlightened, but messy, homesick, and relieved, with a newfound appreciation for his life and the people in it. 

 

I'm still balking at the fact that Molaro spoke of Sheldon and Amy's relationship in such a... thoughtful... way. Like he actually cares about the two of them finding happiness together, solid ground, requited love. "...the more the things she wants and cares about will matter to him." So they'll eventually matter to him, and he'll take them into account. Eventually. But still, it's a promise. It's one of the most endearing things I've ever heard a TBBT writer say -- and it came out of Molaro!

[Maddie]

I love how Molaro said "the more attached he becomes to her." The more attached. Insinuating that he's already attached to her, which is a relief to hear, because even though that should be palpable, it wasn't to me after the finale. Not really. Amy was the one haplessly attached, she was the one mourning the one wailing Leonard with a pillow, while Sheldon was happily bouncing around on the train. 

 

Shall the tables be turned, for once, and not flipped in rage?

 

The "but by the time he gets back, he might not like trains anymore!" line was interesting, too. It shows that maybe Sheldon didn't enjoy his journey as much as they presented in the finale's tag scene. Maybe he won't return happy, unblemished and enlightened, but messy, homesick, and relieved, with a newfound appreciation for his life and the people in it. 

 

I'm still balking at the fact that Molaro spoke of Sheldon and Amy's relationship in such a... thoughtful... way. Like he actually cares about the two of them finding happiness together, solid ground, requited love. "...the more the things she wants and cares about will matter to him." So they'll eventually matter to him, and he'll take them into account. Eventually. But still, it's a promise. It's one of the most endearing things I've ever heard a TBBT writer say -- and it came out of Molaro!

 

I don't know if Sheldon was bouncing off happy on his trip. In the train station scene with Lenny he looked pretty disheveled and lost, if you ask me. It didn't feel to me like a vacation, like he was going away for enjoyment purposes. I don't even think he wanted to leave. When he left the comic book store, he had tears in his eyes. He looked devastated. I think his life just became too much for him to handle, so he left. But I also think he might return homesick and unkept, but with a clearer mind.

 

I just feel like I've read of lot of people saying the finale was meant for Amy to be heartbroken and pining hopelessly after Sheldon while Sheldon was skipping to the train station to have a little vacay while his loved ones worry in his wake. I don't think that was the case at all.

Edited July 31, 2014 by Maddie

[Irene]

Yes, that's exactly it. There's something so beautiful about the fact that Amy is a frumpy, awkward, virginal girl with no sex appeal, the type of girl that no man would ever give a second look at, and yet the one person that's falling for her is a man that would have to need a gun pointed to his head to make any kind of romantic movement. He's literally interested in no one but her. It's almost miraculous. She really is his exception, as it is so often said. Against all odds, she's the one person that can get his motor running. That is why it's so important for him to have that physical interest, too. We may only see tiny glimpses of it right now, not sure if we're really seeing what we're seeing, but I have a feeling we're going to start seeing it a lot more.

Though I agree with the overall sentiment--I want Sheldon to want Amy as much as she wants him--I think we are being a little unkind here. She's no Penny, but Amy's had interest from Stuart and Bert, and guys at the conference/bar she was at with Bernie. Not every guy wants a Penny.

[Maddie]

Though I agree with the overall sentiment--I want Sheldon to want Amy as much as she wants him--I think we are being a little unkind here. She's no Penny, but Amy's had interest from Stuart and Bert, and guys at the conference/bar she was at with Bernie. Not every guy wants a Penny.

 

Oh, I didn't mean for it to sound like no man would ever want her. That was a poor choice of wording. I didn't mean to say no man would pay her attention cuz that's obviously not true, but I'm guessing quite a few men have snubbed her, and it's probably hard to focus on the few that don't. She's no Penny, but in a lot of ways, she's so much better. Men don't always see that, though.

[Guest]

Okay, I am SO late to the conversation and you guys really summed it up perfectly in the most beautiful and endearing ways, but could someone please sebd me the link, too? I just wanna convince myself that it's all real-- I mean, that Molaro actually said it for real, you know... I was like "WTF" - "holy moly" etc. :-D

Thanks in advance

[kazzie]

I am seriously trusting Molaro. And ok I am not ok.

[Rae]

I don't know if Sheldon was bouncing off happy on his trip. In the train station scene with Lenny he looked pretty disheveled and lost, if you ask me. It didn't feel to me like a vacation, like he was going away for enjoyment purposes. I don't even think he wanted to leave. When he left the comic book store, he had tears in his eyes. He looked devastated. I think his life just became too much for him to handle, so he left. But I also think he might return homesick and unkept, but with a clearer mind.

I just feel like I've read of lot of people saying the finale was meant for Amy to be heartbroken and pining hopelessly after Sheldon while Sheldon was skipping to the train station to have a little vacay while his loved ones worry in his wake. I don't think that was the case at all.

I agree that he was truly dejected, but that was all before he got on the train. He required time to think and escape the chaos, and I don't think he was so much running away from his problems as trying to obtain a safe haven and organize everything out in an efficient way, so he could return and fix everything in a clinical and optimal fashion. He didn't feel like he could do that at home, with everything falling apart the way it was.

I think Sheldon's adaptable, and I don't think his actions were nefarious in any way. But he does take the people in his life for granted, including Amy. In the tagscene, after he and Amy's phone call, Amy relayed that it sounded like he was "doing really well." It felt like Sheldon was content and still ever-concerned with his own problems, and only his, and was oblivious to the way his actions were affecting Amy.

"Bouncing happy" was hyperbolic of me, but Sheldon really does focus on himself too much. When you're in a commited relationship, and you've been with the same person for four years (romantically three), they're a part of you. And they deserve to be considered, or "factored into the equation," in Sheldon-speak. He needs to start working with her, not against her.

But Molaro said that he will be taking her wants and feelings into better account. If that does end up happening, I'm willing to dub this mess as character development and finally get back to enjoying my OTP.

[pisquenta]

Ok I'm not sure what's going on, but if koops is THAT excited then I will go down with this ship!!!!!

[Rae]

Us shippers after the finale:

Us now:

Edited August 1, 2014 by sonicdeathrae

[fitzsimmons]

Us shippers after the finale:

Us now:

 

Most. Accurate. Post. Ever.

[nickelette424]

Ahhh man.  The things you miss when you are working late.  I know I am the 100th person to ask this, but can someone send a link to the article in a PM to me.

[koops]

Ok I'm not sure what's going on, but if koops is THAT excited then I will go down with this ship!!!!!

 

Hahaha pisq! I think that might be a bit of a dangerous thing to do, taking my excitement at face value

 

Anyway, I agree with both Maddie and Irene.

 

I think when people (including Mayim! - for cod's sake, Mayim) say that Amy is with Sheldon because she doesn't have a lot of other options, are completely misreading the whole thing and missing the point of why she's with him in the first place. She has had interest from other men (Stuart, the guys at the bar in 7x01, Bert), even though they might be awkward or she might not be constantly hit on like Penny is. Same thing with Sheldon. He's been hit on before. So far, all we have seen is that neither is interested in anybody else. That's why I kind of wish that they had picked a more typically good-looking actor to play Bert (no offense to the guy who played him), so that people wouldn't think that the only reason Amy wasn't interested ("even if I didn't have a boyfriend") was because he wasn't good looking. 

 

At the same time, the show has clearly hit us over the head again and again with the fact that Amy is frumpy, not conventionally attractive and a virgin. A lot of people have been pining for the Amy makeover that will turn her into Mayim so that, like in the best teenage dramas, Sheldon will do a double-take and suddenly want to have his way with her. And I absolutely hate that idea. I think what's so great about this story, and what is so great about Sheldon as a man, is precisely that what it took to get Sheldon's interest piqued and get his motor running for the only time in his life wasn't the hot blonde next door (sorry, Shennies), or anything as superficial as physicality. I liked that I always felt like the message there was "look, physical appearance for Sheldon means nothing, it's all in the brain". And I was always convinced that's where it was headed, especially after 5x23. But I had started to doubt that more and more as of recently, given how stubborn the writers were in keeping him indifferent and having Amy turned down over and over again. And I thought that it was going to turn from a wonderful message to a horrible one, where the moral of the story is that the best the frumpy, nerdy girl can hope for is to have a boyfriend that will never be interested in her in a sexual way, and that he would just give her sex to appease her and because he feels the pressure that if he doesn't he will lose her. It would have been an easy way for the writers to try appease both the audience who want Sheldon asexuals and the ones who just want to see them have sex, no matter how it happens. And it would have been awful both for Amy, but also for Sheldon, because nobody should be forced to do what they don't want to just out of fear of being dumped, especially if it's sex and especially if it's such a touchy issue for them. 

 

So you have no idea how hearing that little quote from Molaro about there being interest under all of Sheldon's science changes things completely for me. I know that doesn't mean that the jokes about "ewwww holding hands" or "slick, uh?" will stop tomorrow, but it tells me at least how the writers are looking at this, and what the general outlook on the relationship into the future is and that things *will* move in the right direction. At least I know now that the plan is for Sheldon's interest to start pushing its way to the surface at some point and that maybe all these lines that we have been speculating are simply denial or him kicking back against his own interest making him uncomfortable, *might* actually be just that in the writers' minds too. Or at least the showrunner's mind. And it's not just the sex but the part about him starting to care about the things that matter to Amy, the more he grows attached to her. That is also amazing to hear. So, yeah, to me it makes a massive difference. 

[TreesRgreen]

What a difference a day makes.  From all the earlier posts you would not believe the high being generated in the last few pages.

 

Like others I have been dejected mainly because of the apparent indifference shown in the past about Amy.  But now I have hope – hope both for Amy and ShAmy and doesn’t that feel good for a change.

 

Can I add my request to the many others and ask for the link to the article to be PMd to me.  Thanks in anticipation.

 

[Stefania]

This interview renewed my interest, which was lost after all that happened leading up to and including the finale (show itself and statements from Molaro and so on).

I feel like irony is slapping me in the face - I now want to know what happens for the first time after months and we don't know yet when this first taping of the season is going to happen. Oh boy.

(If I used the term irony wrong here... I'm sorry. lol)

I do agree with what has been said by Lio and koops specifically, that the showrunner's words indicate the general path the show is going to take and for a show such as this and a couple like Shamy, I'm more interested in the little things than the main events (even though they can be amazing, see both SIKs ). And that gives me hope. It's really all I've been asking for in these past two seasons or so.

Boldly go, S8!

[LalaLogan]

Aggghhh sorry but could someone a please post the link to the interview? It must be getting boring hearing that sentence

[pisquenta]

Ok I now know what's going on and I share your excitement!!!  (thanks Crystalie)

 

I just hope they solve this thing with the actors so that the first taping won't get postponed. As I said I will go unspoiled for the first two, but I WILL BE DAMNED if I don't read the third and so on!!

[Jamie]

Aggghhh sorry but could someone a please post the link to the interview? It must be getting boring hearing that sentence

The article is in screensshots and due to copyrights we're not allowed to post them here. That's why people are asking to get them sent in a PM. Hold on and I'll send you one, unless Crystalie already have.

Edited August 1, 2014 by Jamie

[tmp]

The interview was worth all the eye strain it took to read it (the print is teeny tiny and I couldn't magnify it).  I feel like some of my big questions have been answered.  Sheldon has been riding the rails, he will be changed at least some when he gets back, the living arrangements are changing but it's a process.  I have my spoiler fix, which should tide me over until the first taping.

 

Now, would someone please get TPTB clips of Sheldon and Amy negotiating in The Isolation Permutation and The Zazzy Substitution?  Let S/A show them how it's done.

[Stargazer]

Please would someone kindly send me a link to the article?

[Queenfisher]

omg im alive. please give me the link! i beg ya!

[TreesRgreen]

The Article everyone is talking about is on the Bazinga Cast Website http://thebazingacast.co/  - TV Guide 7 Issue: ‘The Big Bang Theory’  I hope I have not broken any rules posting this link.

 

The day just seems to be getting better.  It also looks like Jim & Mayim have won TFA awards for Best Actor and Support Actress in a Comedy.  Here's hoping this can be repeated at the EMMYs.

 

 

WELL DONE JIM & MAYIM

Edited August 1, 2014 by ShAmy4eva

[Susana Alcira]

SHAMY WILL WIN THE EMMY!!!!  

[tmp]

Had to share this with my fellow Shamy fans.  George Takei's husband Brad asked on FB who the two of them should dress up as for next year's CC.  Somebody suggested Raggedy Ann and Raggedy C3PO.  Shamy FTW!

[Sheldon.lover]

Are they still taping on Tuesday?