Ship Zone [Spoilers]Shamy S8 Thread

[Jiab]

I always took "I like you for who you are, quirks and all" as his version of ILY before the real version in prom.

My timeline for the Shamy:

-3.23 They had a platonic crush on each other, they felt so intellectually connected since the first conversation.
-4.01 They started dating as Penny suggested the way to "get to know the future mother of your child"
-4.10 Sheldon started to like her in a romantic way, like Jim said he was okay being her experiment if it were other people he would freak out, Amy also started to consider her feelings.
-4.20 They obviously flirted with each other.
-4.21 Amy obviously flirted with him, Sheldon thought the kiss was fascinating but he hid that part from her in the morning.
-5.03 She thought of him as 'kinda sorta boyfriend', he told Leonard 'she is not for you'. They both thought of each other as more than just friends.

Season 4-5 they were pretty much on the same page, but season 6 Amy was falling in love with him, she wanted to marry him and stated outright that "his quirks just make you love him more". That made the relationship seemed unbalanced. 

Season 7 Sheldon was falling in love with her. The train kiss was a catalyst and he was so scared because the feeling was new to him, he almost broke up with her. 

He spent time on his train trip to consider his feelings for her and finally came to the conclusion that it was love.

Edited November 10, 2014 by Jiab

[kerrycec03]

Mayim's behind the scenes is up.  http://www.kveller.com/mayim-bialik/mayim-bialik-behind-the-scenes-moments-from-the-big-bang-theory-prom-episode/

thanks....sometimes I get so frustrated that she likes things SLOW in a way for Shamy... like how she was "shocked" and what this means...LOL

 

kinda why I prefer JIm's interviews on the Shamy more...

 

LOL

 

but overall great piece and very typical Mayim.  Very sweet, honest, and cute

Edited November 10, 2014 by kerrycec03

[Susanna Sharanova]

Seems like Mayim thinks Sheldon didn't really wanna say ILY and said because of her look. I hope I wrong. And I expected Majim's BTS. Well, Mayim's not optimistic. Feeling sad really.[emoji20]

[kerrycec03]

Seems like Mayim thinks Sheldon didn't really wanna say ILY and said because of her look. I hope I wrong. And I expected Majim's BTS. Well, Mayim's not optimistic. Feeling sad really.[emoji20]

nah...she is never the most optomistic with this stuff....thats what I mean.....don't let it get you down.  The writers and Jim especially are much more into the growth of them...LOL

[Jiab]

"It felt like a really special occasion, and given then fact that Sheldon dropped the “L” bomb, I think Amy was probably very happy he thought she looked pretty with her fancy hair. Maybe it’s what made him love her?!"

What?!?!

I hope he says it again in their normal clothes. 

[JourneyIntoShamy]

I kinda liked that Mayim didn't expect an ILY this early on, or at all, because neither did we - and most importantly, neither did Amy! So Mayim played it genuinely because both herself and Amy weren't expecting an ILY.

I wanna know what Jim thinks though. To me, it was obvious what Mayim thought.

[Susanna Sharanova]

"It felt like a really special occasion, and given then fact that Sheldon dropped the “L” bomb, I think Amy was probably very happy he thought she looked pretty with her fancy hair. Maybe it’s what made him love her?!"

What?!?!

I hope he says it again in their normal clothes.

That made me cry almost! How could she said that, knowing we're crazy about this episode?? I got really frustrated, I seriously shouldn't let that make me so emotional... Edited November 10, 2014 by Susanna Sharanova

[JourneyIntoShamy]

I didn't like her comment about the fancy hair though... but that may have been a bad joke.

Sheldon isn't shallow. He's not gonna say an ILY just cos Amy looks pretty.

IMO, Sheldon said it because Amy took the pressure of sex off him, and also because you know, he actually means it.

[puremorning]

I think she was just joking, she has a different kind of sense of humor :D

[Susanna Sharanova]

Really, he wouldn't say this bc of her appearnce. Sorry, but it is silly. If the wavy hair and good make-up could affect on him that way, he would fall in love with Penny a few seasons later... But Amy is special not bc of it. It's love. It's the word from Sheldon's mouth. (!)

Edited November 10, 2014 by Susanna Sharanova

[rachelshamyfan]

Captain Jim where are you?

[JourneyIntoShamy]

Captain Jim where are you?

Yes, I want Jim's input on this.

[mamallama]

But she does go on to say that she never expected him to say it, even though she thinks the feelings, in theory, have been there for years.

 

I think it's funny that Mayim talks about her therapist and how he says that she over analyzes things, she needs to join our forum, she'd fit right in!

 

Definitely would love to read Jim's take on this.  He's the ultimate Shamy shipper.

[nusspot]

Just this: thank God Mayim has no say in the writing of Shamy.

And I too would like to know what Jim felt about the scene.

[TheShamyShipper]

"It felt like a really special occasion, and given then fact that Sheldon dropped the “L” bomb, I think Amy was probably very happy he thought she looked pretty with her fancy hair. Maybe it’s what made him love her?!"

What?!?!

I hope he says it again in their normal clothes. 

 

This comment bothered me too.  I think though that she makes up for it with what she continues to say later.  It does sound like she's happy overall about this development and found it sweet and very in-character for Shamy.  I agree that she may have been trying to joke.  Or possibly she said that because she was so shocked herself that they had Sheldon say that to Amy.  Whatever the case, I don't think we need to worry that what she says here is what was meant on the show.  We all saw the scene.  That is definitely NOT why Sheldon said he loves her.  It IS, however, why he panicked. 

[Susana Alcira]

Question: Is Mayim among us?

[koops]

She was making a joke! Guys! Come on. She wasn't being serious about the hair. And I don't get why it's a big deal that she wasn't ready for this, when we all were shocked how early in the season this came and were just saying the same things not long ago... I bet she's also wondering what the heck they have in store for the rest of the season. It's clear as day that she left the important stuff last in that post, and IMO, she did a fantastic job conveying on screen what she wanted to convey as described in her post, because it's definitely how I read Amy's behavior in that scene. She KNEW Sheldon loved her, that's why she didn't say "I know you don't feel the same" or anything like that, but rather "You aren't ready to say it back". She knows Sheldon has huge problems expressing his emotions, but that that doesn't mean he doesn't have any. And that's why, like Mayim says, Amy is perfect for Sheldon, because other women would just stomp their feet and demand to hear the words even if it's at gunpoint and their partner isn't honest. Not to sound cheesy and quote a song that has stuck with me all weekend, but, Amy would never say ILY just to hear it being said back. Mayim also makes it clear that the feelings have been there a long time even though they hadn't been expressed verbally, which is something we all suspected. I really enjoyed reading her post, the only thing I always have a bit of a disagreement with is with her views on clothes... but that's another story! I found it very interesting that TPTB were adamant that wardrobe does justice to Amy's looks in this episode, instead of dressing her just to be a clown. And I think they did a wonderful job, because she looks very much Amy and very natural, yet so pretty. 

 

As for the discussion about who fell first and when... it's hard to pinpoint to me, but especially because of how much differently these two process their emotions. I think Sheldon is the one that feels early but expresses and embraces late, whereas Amy is the one that feels late but embraces and expresses that quickly. To me, it was always clear that Sheldon was taken by her much much earlier than she was. The way he always compared their "friendship" to the romantic relationships of others, imo, was a clear subconscious indication that he never saw her as just a friend, no matter how much he tried to deny it - probably because he didn't really understand his feelings at the time. Whereas I think to Amy he was genuinely just a friend until around Herb Garden, when she really started to have a big crush on him. And it's not surprising that she started being attracted to him much later, because I always got the impression that early Amy was way colder and more detached than Sheldon, who I always always saw as a very emotional person underneath all his facades. And I think that's when Amy kind of started overtaking him, because she has less of a problem embracing her feelings and doesn't overanalyze things to the extent that he does. When each realized they loved the other it's hard to tell. I think for Amy it's when she started hitting walls with him, because it's easy to be infatuated with someone when everything goes smoothly, but only love makes one stick by the other when things get hard. For Sheldon, I think it's harder to say, because he thinks a lot and keeps a lot of things bottled up for a long time, so I literally could pinpoint dozens of moments between early S6 and the "I like you for who you are" where I could say "This was the moment!". I think the kiss arose his more physical/intimate feelings of romance, but I think the unconditional love was there a while before that.

[TheShamyShipper]

A couple of other things I wanted to point out.  Someone had mentioned in another thread shortly before this episode aired that they wished they'd dolled Amy up more to look like Mayim on the red carpet instead of Amy.  Since it was a spoiler free zone, I simply stated that having seen the episode already, I was really glad they didn't do that.  With Mayim's comment, I'm even more glad now.  It's obvious that Sheldon knows what he feels and accepts it with a mature certainty.  That would not have come from simply finding her pretty all dolled up one night.  Even more so, the fact that he tells her she's pretty means SO much more due to the fact that while she's a little made up, she still looks very much like Amy.  I think her look was amped up just enough to make him panic, which leads to my second point--I think that panic he felt stemmed from the fact that his body reacted to her physically.  He suspects she wants sex because its prom, he seems to be trying to prepare himself for such a thing, then he sees her, he finds himself attracted to her, feels his body responding, and it all becomes a little too real.  Just finding her pretty would not have made him panic.  I suspect he's always found her attractive, even though he doesn't usually voice or really acknowledge such things.  And maybe his initial attraction was to her mind, but I think the physical part of that has probably been a factor for a while now.  So the panic really stems from how he's turned on by her, combined with the idea that the sex COULD actually happen that night because he's realizing he kind of wants that too.  But then there's the barriers of being scared because he's overwhelmed, along with his issues with touch.

 

And although Mayim's initial comment bothered me, she goes on to say how big it was that Sheldon told her she looked pretty, how she portrays Amy to not expect these things, and how every step he takes is beautiful because of that.  She also says how Amy loves him unconditionally and understands him, and how appropriate the scene was for their relationship, and how beautiful it was when Sheldon said he loves her and how this is the communication in words of the feelings that have been present for years.  So I think she's definitely on the ILY bandwagon.  I think her initial comment about him loving her because she looked pretty was just poorly chosen words and probably just reflect the shock that she, as Mayim, first felt when she found out about this scene.  Or, like Koops said, she was joking. 

Edited November 10, 2014 by TheShamyShipper

[koops]

I totally agree ShamyShipper! I think that was the bottom line with Sheldon's panic attack and why I found it hilarious that Amy had to tell him, essentially, "Just because you find me attractive doesn't mean we have to have sex right away!". I think it was funny and endearing because since Sheldon has probably never felt like that before he has no idea what's the "protocol", not just in terms of what's expected of him by others but what he has to expect of himself. I think that "I really did think you looked pretty, so much so that I started to panic" essentially translate in him getting worked up and not knowing what to do with himself, a bit like in the Star Trek role play if you will "I'm in hell! But don't stop!".

[Lety Austen]

I see the talk about when Shamy falling in love and I really don't know what think about it. Really, when I start watching the show this is in the five season, but I watched first all the others seasons and I really became a fan.

I learn love all the characters, and mostly Sheldon and Raj. So I think my love for Shamy are growing up with their love, if it makes sense.

So, when Amy came in season three, I liked her, but not very much. In season four, I think she is a great girl, but she is better being Sheldon's friend. In season five I love Shamy a lot, and think she and Sheldon make a great couple. In the end of season six, I realize who much i shipp them. In end of season six I became a really shipper Shamy. I star reading fanfics, see fanarts.... Things like that...

So, I think is in the season six both are start to really fall in love.

But, its like Mr Darcy says in Pride and Prejudice. When you fall in love, you don't realize when you fall. You are in the middle when you realize it start, so is the same for them. We can't talk when they fall in love, because it is confused... They can realize about the love now or before .They can be in love for ages and just see it now, or don't...

I think is one of the beauty things about love. We can't say when start, you just can accept it and do your better.

Good Lord, I love think about love... Is one amazing thing!

I think it is confuse, but I do my best for comment something with some sense.... 

I hope who are reading it understand what I'm talking...       

[Susana Alcira]

I love Mayim Kveller post!

It is SOOOOOO Mayim!

[Lionne]

"It felt like a really special occasion, and given then fact that Sheldon dropped the “L” bomb, I think Amy was probably very happy he thought she looked pretty with her fancy hair. Maybe it’s what made him love her?!"

What?!?!

 

Very, very obviously a joke. Mayim and I have similar senses of humor: dry, often sarcastic. The secret to dry humor is that you say something flatly, but you assume that what you have said is SO OBVIOUSLY OUTRAGEOUS that people will laugh and know you are kidding because you're being ridiculous and silly and yet doing it with a straight face. Which is what Mayim is doing here - do you honestly, HONESTLY think that Mayim would suggest Sheldon suddenly loves Amy just for her HAIR?

 

"Oh, we're been dating 4 years or something with my limp, lank hair, but finally I curled it and now he's in love with me. Thanks hot rollers! Now I have a whole new outlook on life!" - it sounds like the script of a bad, bad advertisement from the 1950's or something. It's obviously not serious.

 

I need to get Lio Depot open, selling all of those sarcasm signs.....The world needs them, apparently.

 

As for me, I feel like the "i love you too" was perfect, and I just want to bask in the glow of it before going "now what?" Which I think Mayim hints at in her post as well; it's a little shocking for the "I love you" this early in the season, and you do have to wonder where the Shamy is going to go from here.

 

I am glad that she spoke so eloquently about Amy understanding Sheldon, because i think that's a very hard thing to do and requires interpreting his actions much more than his words. She hangs her faith on what he actually does by her, moreso than what he actually says to her, and so as Mayim rightly pointed out, Amy might have known or suspected that Sheldon loved her before he said so. But it was more shocking he said so, and didn't deny it, than the fact that he felt it. Which is why she didn't go "what?" or "really?" or "you do?" or ask him to repeat it again but instead marveled, "you said it." Because that was the shock of it. It's not a surprise that Sheldon loves her, it's a surprise that he was willing to say it out loud.

 

Sheldon is a person who does live in denial a lot, and I think him admitting things, especially his true feelings, is very surprising. And he is often saying things to her that go against his own actions, like talking about quotas for time spent together when obviously he runs all over that and sees her and talks to her when he wants to.

 

But....more huge steps forward for Sheldon. And again, going to bask in it before wondering where the heck they are headed next. I already said that I think coitus or an attempt at it will happen by the end of the season - and I like the idea that Amy freaks out when it gets too real, like she did in Prom. She screwed up her courage to say it, Sheldon beat her to it, and then SHE started to have the panic attack when it became so real for her. So Koops's theory about Sheldon maybe initiating something with her later this season that makes her flip out might not be too far off - and I think that's a given at this point.

 

Lastly, don't know if phanta mentioned this is not, but I loved Sheldon's snap and sweeping gesture to usher Amy out of his room, because it's exactly the same as the one Mary used with "we're losing daylight, baby," to usher Sheldon into Gablehauser's office way back in season 1. I like seeing a touch of Mary's mannerisms spilling over into her son.

Edited November 10, 2014 by Lionne

[tmp]

Lety, you make perfect sense.  Most of us don't suddenly go from not being in love to being in love.  It happens gradually.  The best we can do is be self-aware enough to realize what our feelings are.  We can pinpoint some milestones in this relationship when their connection deepened, but I'm not sure we can say who fell in love first.

[CentralPerk]

I like Mayim’s article, I found interesting to know her point of view on this episode.

 

I have not read many of your comments, not to lose the thread of what I meant originally. So it is possible, as often, I am repeating things already said.

 

I liked all the positive she thinks  about the shamy relationship. In fact, instead of rewrite what she said and don’t really succeed to express my thinking, I will quote the passages that I liked :

"He says she did look pretty to him. Wow. That’s a biggie. Note that the way I portray Amy, I don’t have her expect these things of him the way people tend to in “normal” relationships. Every step he takes is laudable and beautiful because there is no expectation. That’s how the Shamy rolls.

Amy says she is “always” wanting more, but she does not hang her coat on that expectation coatrack the way so many of us do in relationships. She is fully aware that she wants more, but she is satisfied to be on this ride with Sheldon. Because she loves him unconditionally. She accepts him. She understands him.

When Sheldon acknowledges that Amy looks pretty, it is startling and lovely. It’s appropriate for their relationship. But Amy doesn’t need that in order to stay with him or be satisfied as a partner. "

 

 

 

I agree with the fact that Sheldon usually doesn't make compliments, so Amy doesn't expect compliments, so when he makes it, it is more sincere and surprising.

 

I like she says that Amy loves him unconditionally and she is satisfied with him. I feel sometimes Amy is frustrated, but what said Mayim joined Sheldon's line : "we are a 8.2, trust me you're happy".

 

Amy never thought Sheldon would say he loved her, which does not preclude that she assumed he might. It is the overt communication that sends her into her sweet panic mode. It’s not that he feels it, although that is beautiful indeed. It’s that he says it. And it’s also the way he says it: with his reasoning and his logic backing it all up. After all we have seen Shamy go through, this is the culmination of a communication in words, but the feelings in theory have already been present for years. Don’t you agree?"

 

 

 

I totally agree with her point of view here.

 

 

And it was interesting to see how they choose clothing that was still in character but causes a reaction to Sheldon.

 

oh, and I read some comments, of course she doesn't mean it was just to find Amy pretty which suddenly made him fall in love. And the rest of the article proves she was joking with that line.

 

I hope Jim will also say his point of view.

Edited November 10, 2014 by CentralPerk

[mphs95]

I like Mayim’s article, I found interesting to know her point of view on this episode.

 

I have not read many of your comments, not to lose the thread of what I meant originally. So it is possible, as often, I am repeating things already said.

 

I liked all the positive she thinks  about the shamy relationship. In fact, instead of rewrite what she said and don’t really succeed to express my thinking, I will quote the passages that I liked :

 

 

I agree with the fact that Sheldon usually doesn't make compliments, so Amy doesn't expect compliments, so when he makes it, it is more sincere and surprising.

 

I like she says that Amy loves him unconditionally and she is satisfied with him. I feel sometimes Amy is frustrated, but what said Mayim joined Sheldon's line : "we are a 8.2, trust me you're happy".

 

 

 

I totally agree with her point of view here.

 

 

And it was interesting to see how they choose clothing that was still in character but causes a reaction to Sheldon.

 

oh, and I read some comments, of course she doesn't mean it was just to find Amy pretty which suddenly made him fall in love. And the rest of the article proves she was joking with that line.

 

I hope Jim will also say his point of view.

 

I agree with all this.  I figured she was being facetious when she said all that as that's the type of humor she has displayed in the past.  Some just need a sense of humor is all.