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The stories about Sheldon's "childishness" are not only creepy but also a direct contradiction to his character who would typically be ultra-rational, anti-touch, and intellectual rather than emotional. And I don't like them either!

 

I don't think they're creepy or really a contradiction.  I think he has shown that he is not averse to his mother or his meemaw hugging or kissing or touching him. I think that in those relationships he kind of reverts back to his inner child because those were safe, loving relationships and a time when he was comforted and protected.  He faced bullying as a child and his mother and grandparents comforted and protected him.  His childhood was a safe place and he has clung to that and in some ways kind of gotten stuck there, including what it is that comforts him--like vaporub and Soft Kitty.

 

Someone on the other forum, I think it was, made a great argument for the idea that his rational, intellectual, anti-emotional stance is just a veneer to hide the depth of strong emotion that he actually does experience.  You can see it in the way he reacts to stuff like Leonard leaving him--when he thought Leonard was choosing Wil Wheaton over him, for instance.  He pretended that it was Leonard who was going to suffer at losing him as a friend, but the minute he thought Leonard had changed his mind about going to Wil's party, it was, "Oh good, you picked me, you picked me".

 

Sheldon's emotions are actually quite strong and deep, and therefore maybe a little frightening to him, hence all the "feelings are for hippies" attitude.  While he may overanalyze things and generally take a rational approach and pretend that he's Mr. Spock, he actually has very strong feelings and a lot of those feelings are connected to his mother and his childhood.

 

That's one reason why I love that "acting" scene between him and Penny in The Thespian Catalyst.  He wrote this fanfic/play and at first doesn't seem to understand why "Mary" would be upset that her son was being taken away to Vulcan.  First, I love Sheldon saying that he'd be going to a place where he wouldn't get beat up--so much.  It's funny that he expects that he'd still get beaten up...

But anyway, once Penny convinces him to try to add a little emotion to Mary's reaction to losing her son, real-life Sheldon goes to pieces at the thought of leaving his mother.  "Mommy, I love you.  Don't let Spock take me away to the future!"

 

In many ways he's always going to be the man-child.

 

I think that if people are always thinking of Sheldon as being completely grown up or sexualized, then it muddies the waters in seeing where he actually is still.  Yeah, they're moving him forward, but he's still "the baby" and kind of owns that.

He may feel differently now that he's acknowledging his feelings for Amy and dealing more with the idea of physical intimacy with her.  He may be finally starting the "leave and cleave" phase that adults eventually go through.  But he's still kind of in that junior high/high school level of approach to his relationship with Amy.

 

He's been clinging to that childhood comfort and innocence, and that's why, to me, those scenes with him and his mom, or of the others singing Soft Kitty to him. have never struck me as creepy.  Sheldon has a grown up side--he has a job and an apartment, does his own laundry and cooking (when he's not buying takeout or eating out), and so forth--but his emotional life has always been kind of stunted.

And he has kind of wanted to keep it that way.  "Maybe I'm from a race of aliens who live hundreds of years, so I'm still basically a toddler."

 

Since there's nothing overtly sexual about Sheldon, and he certainly isn't thinking of sex with his mom when she's taking care of him, to me, those scenes are simply underscoring his emotional innocence.

 

And that's kind of another reason why I don't want Amy to do the vaporub/Soft Kitty thing with him.  And it's another reason why Sheldon wasn't thinking of sex, IMO (and in Jim's opinion, either, apparently), when he was taking care of Amy when she was sick.

 

To him, the vaporub and singing, even helping with the bath, are simply the things one does for a sick person.  Like he told Penny that first time, his mother used to give him sponge baths, then he insisted on the vaporub and singing.  Those were the things his mother did for him to make him feel better, thus those were the things one must do when one gets sick.

 

Anyway, that's the way I've always understood the character and those scenes.

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I agree with you Phanta. The emotionless robot stuff is just a defense mechanism. I honestly believe he is the most emotion of the 7 and is not even really a close contest.

I'm not always a fan of babying Sheldon and I think that Leonard and Penny coddle him at times. However, I definitely understand why Sheldon is the way he is. He will, and has, continue to grow but some of that will always be a part of him. It's who he is.

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A lot of mothers consider their children (sons specially) as their babies although they are adults, with their own families.

But I can´t accept a young couple like Lenny still consider a grown up man, smart , with 187 IQ and older than them, like "their toddler" and treat him like a silly little child! 

They must read Mayim´s book about raising children!

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All right, I finally, FINALLY watched the entirety of the Prom episode (new job, fun but mental), and I will probably grin like a loon for the rest of my days.

 

Just the way Parsons says the words 'The only conclusion was love.' The simplicity of the declaration, the wonder in his voice. As though he is glimpsing a shooting star, or a new planet has swum into his ken- something rare and precious and fragile, that has been vouchsafed to him, and him alone.

 

So, so lovely.

 

Aight, as you were....... 

 

 

ETA; HAPPY BIRTHDAY, SHAMY<3!

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I agree with you Phanta. The emotionless robot stuff is just a defense mechanism. I honestly believe he is the most emotion of the 7 and is not even really a close contest.

I'm not always a fan of babying Sheldon and I think that Leonard and Penny coddle him at times. However, I definitely understand why Sheldon is the way he is. He will, and has, continue to grow but some of that will always be a part of him. It's who he is.

I think it's pretty close between him and Raj actually, as to who is the most emotional. Raj just shows it more. I said in a review recently that the relationship between Raj and Sheldon (being left to fend off rats aside!) can be quite 'gentle' with each other and that can come as quite a surprise considering they aren't one another's respective 'besties', and think it's because Raj understands all very well the emotions that are going on underneath.

Absolutely agree that the 'emotionless robot' thing is a defence mechanism, and probably the actions of a little boy trying to please his daddy. Bearing in mind that in some ways Sheldon was pushed into the adult world before he was really ready, it's not surprising that he clings to childhood sometimes. Then there's the emotional deprivation that Leonard had growing up, which maybe makes him want to look after his 'little buddy' the way he would have wanted to be.

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Personally, I think Sheldon is a little childish. BUT, that's okay. It only shows how much more he grows and matures, especially for those he loves, esp Amy (more to come on that front). I think that Sheldon's robot like countenance and behavior is what he does to get attention. Kids, Teenagers, and sometimes adults act weird in order to get attention and recognition from other people. That's okay too, but I would like to see him move more away from that (which he has) and into being more adult.

 

Last night, I was watching the episode where Sheldon takes Raj on Amy and he's date. (Forgot what its called). It hurt me  (just a little) when he said, "Amy I need you!.... Yes, your my ride". That kinda sucked. Then I watched Prom - how much he'd changed over the years and how, instead of thinking more from his perspective, he was trying to please Amy for once. 

 

Just my take on things.

 

Happy Birthday, SHAMY <3! Hope you get lots and lots of BBT merch!  :icon_biggrin:

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Personally, I think Sheldon is a little childish. BUT, that's okay. It only shows how much more he grows and matures, especially for those he loves, esp Amy (more to come on that front). I think that Sheldon's robot like countenance and behavior is what he does to get attention. Kids, Teenagers, and sometimes adults act weird in order to get attention and recognition from other people. That's okay too, but I would like to see him move more away from that (which he has) and into being more adult.

 

Last night, I was watching the episode where Sheldon takes Raj on Amy and he's date. (Forgot what its called). It hurt me  (just a little) when he said, "Amy I need you!.... Yes, your my ride". That kinda sucked. Then I watched Prom - how much he'd changed over the years and how, instead of thinking more from his perspective, he was trying to please Amy for once. 

 

Just my take on things.

 

Happy Birthday, SHAMY <3! Hope you get lots and lots of BBT merch!  :icon_biggrin:

I think there were a lot of hurtful moments in season 6, that time I wished Amy had broken up with him. However, the D&D sex and his speech "before I met you, I never had any interest in being intimate with anyone" and "For me, what we have is extremely intimate" kinda renewed my faith in them. 

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I see season 6 as Sheldon fighting his growing feelings for Amy. He never wanted a relationship or all those "hippy dippy" feelings. So when he found himself falling for her even more, it pissed him off and he took it out on her. And don't forget that spider man speech at the beginning of the season. I really think there was some truth in those words.

So by the end of the season, during the D & D episode, he realized he needed to assure her that for him, what they had was real. By then, I think he had already come to terms with his feelings for her but he wasn't ready to tell her. I think for him, telling her he loved her = sex and and he wasn't ready for that. But during season 7, it sure the hell was on his mind a lot, wasn't it?

That's why I think her taking the pressure of sex off his shoulders, he no longer worried about telling her he loved her.

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Personally, I think Sheldon is a little childish. BUT, that's okay. It only shows how much more he grows and matures, especially for those he loves, esp Amy (more to come on that front). I think that Sheldon's robot like countenance and behavior is what he does to get attention. Kids, Teenagers, and sometimes adults act weird in order to get attention and recognition from other people. That's okay too, but I would like to see him move more away from that (which he has) and into being more adult.

 

Last night, I was watching the episode where Sheldon takes Raj on Amy and he's date. (Forgot what its called). It hurt me  (just a little) when he said, "Amy I need you!.... Yes, your my ride". That kinda sucked. Then I watched Prom - how much he'd changed over the years and how, instead of thinking more from his perspective, he was trying to please Amy for once. 

 

Just my take on things.

 

Happy Birthday, SHAMY <3! Hope you get lots and lots of BBT merch!  :icon_biggrin:

 

 

It wasn't long ago that he was willing to break up with her because he realized she was changing him. He still has a lot of growing to do but has definitely come very far. 

I see season 6 as Sheldon fighting his growing feelings for Amy. He never wanted a relationship or all those "hippy dippy" feelings. So when he found himself falling for her even more, it pissed him off and he took it out on her. And don't forget that spider man speech at the beginning of the season. I really think there was some truth in those words.

So by the end of the season, during the D & D episode, he realized he needed to assure her that for him, what they had was real. By then, I think he had already come to terms with his feelings for her but he wasn't ready to tell her. I think for him, telling her he loved her = sex and and he wasn't ready for that. But during season 7, it sure the hell was on his mind a lot, wasn't it?

That's why I think her taking the pressure of sex off his shoulders, he no longer worried about telling her he loved her.

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I agree with this SOOOOO much.

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Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing s6, I was simply comparing two moments that really show how Shelly has grown… and how much I loved prom.[emoji38]

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It wasn't long ago that he was willing to break up with her because he realized she was changing him. He still has a lot of growing to do but has definitely come very far. 

 

 

It occurs to me that his panic in that episode was a turning point of him coming to terms with the fact that he really did love her.  It was sort of the last attempt to hold on to the self-image of being immune to warm fuzzy feelings before he could acknowledge his love for her.

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