Ship Zone [Spoilers]Shamy S8 Thread

[phantagrae]

Phanta,

 

Amy's always had to be understanding of Sheldon's lack of interest in kissing. He can wait until she isn't mad at him.

 

In this scenario, If she's upset with him, they should fix that problem. The kissing will wait.

 

That's right Amy's feelings are IMPORTANT! 

 

in all scenarios....

He already overcame that reluctance of kissing. Once he actually did it, he found he liked it and they have come to a mutual understanding, apparently, on when they're going to do their kissing.

She's no longer waiting for him, so why would she make him wait? And we really have no indication that she's actually mad at him at all in the first place.

[Kathy2611]

He already overcame that reluctance of kissing. Once he actually did it, he found he liked it and they have come to a mutual understanding, apparently, on when they're going to do their kissing.

She's no longer waiting for him, so why would she make him wait? And we really have no indication that she's actually mad at him at all in the first place.

Exactly!! I just don't understand how some people on here seem to think Amy should be mad at him for leaving the way he did. So he didn't say good-bye to her. Nobody got a damn "good-bye" except Leonard and Penny and they had to hunt his ass down to get one! His MAJOR reasons for leaving was the change in his career and living arrangements. Amy is a MINOR reason. He even called HER to check in!!

[Cecilia]

I don't know if Amy should be mad at Sheldon but I do know that she could be. This is up to personal views and tolerance but some people find all the things that have been mentioned over and over again hurtful. Some others don't. It's that simple. Now all there is to see is what the writers think.

About Amy not wanting to kiss Sheldon. The only reason that made Sheldon leave is that he cannot stand changes. And one of the major changes was that about his work. At first he was coping well trying to find solutions but then he couldn't cope anymore (even though it was the lack of change that disappointed him here but anyway). I can see Amy projecting that on their relationship. Something like that.

Sheldon hates changes.

He liked the kiss. He handled it very well.

Next logical step is progress.

He may not handle that very well. He can run away again and leave me alone forever if things get too serious.

After that I could see her decide to stop any physical advancements and go back to a previous stage of their relationship cause she prefers Sheldon and no physical intimacy than her life without him. That's how insecurity works. It creeps into your mind and makes you panick. This is not a situation where she is holding kissing above his face as a trophy. Be a good boy and I will kiss you. I see it more like make me trust you again please. Cause he is a flight risk and no one can live like that knowing that they could wake up and their SO will be gone cause they have work problems. I can also see Amy being sad all summer that he left that she gradually stops wanting to even think about him cause it makes her even sadder. In that case it's natural that she might not want to kiss him or hug him. She initiated kissing but she can change her mind.

She could also make him a Strawberry Quick and ask to know all about his fascinating adventure. I would say that is an unfortunate scenario cause she desperately needs to grow up too but whatever I might think it doesn't make it less possible.

Edited July 10, 2014 by Cecilia

[rachelshamyfan]

Phanta

We saw Amy's indication of being upset that Sheldon left when she beat up Leonard with the cushion

Amy should be allowed to back off when Sheldon comes back, I don't want her simpering over his return

[phantagrae]

Phanta

We saw Amy's indication of being upset that Sheldon left when she beat up Leonard with the cushion

Amy should be allowed to back off when Sheldon comes back, I don't want her simpering over his return

But was she upset with Sheldon for leaving or upset with Leonard for letting him go? I think she was more upset with Leonard than she was with Sheldon.

I don't think that the only alternative to Amy being angry with Sheldon is her simpering over his return, but if she's not really angry with him--if she isn't insecure after all--then I can see her being serious with him about what's on his mind without going to either extreme.

I think the whole "you need to prove yourself to me" thing is a bit melodramatic for the actual evidence we've seen.

[wowbagger]

I don't want to see a passive/aggressive Amy.  Is she's going to be aloof with him, then she might as well break up with him.  But if she does, then she'd better be prepared for him to possibly dig his heels in as well.  If he's at all doubting the possiblity of a future with her (which I do not agree is what is going on with him), then she would have just given him the ultimate excuse to finally "cut her loose".

 

I would hate to see Amy trying to force some kind of begging or affection or whatever out of Sheldon by giving him the cold shoulder.  That just smacks of her bad manipulation habit, to me.

 

I don't want to see them going down that route.  I like the fact that they've always been able to talk.  Sheldon might be thick-headed and obtuse about relationship matters, but they are both able to be honest and dispassionate when it comes to reasoning out their issues.

 

If she's going to be miffed about something, I would rather she just told him, "We have to talk" than for her to play some kind of game.

 

I would like Amy and Sheldon to cool off the physicality, and even maybe break up for a while, on his return, but not to teach him a lesson or anything like that. I don't think Amy should be mad at Sheldon, per se. I think that he's a ghastly boyfriend, but also a ghastly boyfriend for whom she (literally) signed up, with written notification of the manner of ghastly boyfriend he was going to be. But should Amy be mad at herself, then? No, she's not the only person who has taken on a contract and found herself wanting to alter the terms of it, or not understood the value of her outside options. So I don't think Amy should be mad at herself for trying something and realising later that it's not what she wanted.

 

I do, however, hope that Amy uses the time apart to think about what her relationship with Sheldon has turned into, from a once-joyous connection: this festival of push-pull, manipulation and mutual contempt that seems to give neither participant anything other than anxiety*. 

 

So I hope Amy does break up with Sheldon, just to say 'Look, I think that maybe this relationship was better for you before you were continually beating yourself up about the possibility of sex with me. And life was better for me when I wasn't continually trying to 'tame' you, 'please you', 'humour you' or whatever.' Not out of anger, but out of a realisation that this version of the relationship makes them less happy than when they were boy/friend/girl/friend. Whether they stay broken up, who can say?

 

 

* Well, that's not true. Sheldon seems to enjoy the kissing, and Amy too? Her body language is..... ambiguous. But let's say they like the kissing. So I'm wrong, they enjoy the proto-sexual activity of their relationship, and seemingly nothing else. Well, that's-disappointing. The writers have taken a happy, respectful, platonic relationship and turned in into a bitter, sniping proto-sexual relationship. Not only disappointing, but reverting to sitcom convention, Yay.

[rachelshamyfan]

But was she upset with Sheldon for leaving or upset with Leonard for letting him go? I think she was more upset with Leonard than she was with Sheldon.

I don't think that the only alternative to Amy being angry with Sheldon is her simpering over his return, but if she's not really angry with him--if she isn't insecure after all--then I can see her being serious with him about what's on his mind without going to either extreme.

I think the whole "you need to prove yourself to me" thing is a bit melodramatic for the actual evidence we've seen.

I'd say she was upset with them both, Leonard was there so was an easy target

[Chaliceinnana]

I was just thinking logically Amy is going to be roped into helping Sheldon analyze all the life lessons he learned on his train ride and how to apply them to his current problems...

It is going to another half year of remedial people skills with Sheldon Cooper.

I really hope the writers let her have some this summer.

[wowbagger]

BTW, just to say: I don't think Amy is remotely blameless in the Sheldon/Amy relationship. I think that she is continually trying to get emotional or physical intimacy from Sheldon as some sort of reward for 'Good Girlfriend' behaviour: I think that in lots of ways this is an interesting inversion of the 'Nice Guy' trope, but I don't think it's remotely healthy or saintlike. If Amy uses the time apart to reflect on what she truly wants and whether it's fair to expect Sheldon to provide it, I think that would be good.

[Cecilia]

BTW, just to say: I don't think Amy is remotely blameless in the Sheldon/Amy relationship. I think that she is continually trying to get emotional or physical intimacy from Sheldon as some sort of reward for 'Good Girlfriend' behaviour: I think that in lots of ways this is an interesting inversion of the 'Nice Guy' trope, but I don't think it's remotely healthy or saintlike. If Amy uses the time apart to reflect on what she truly wants and whether it's fair to expect Sheldon to provide it, I think that would be good.

That's part of why she lost her sass. She used to challenge him when she thought he was wrong and she was never afraid of the consequences. I think he liked that very much about her even though it's easier for him to manage her when she is the good girlfriend. But I think although it's not healthy it's natural at least for a while. They are both new at this and it's expected to make mistakes. These mistakes led to the imbalance some people have been talking about and the time for that to be adressed is approching. A break up could work that way. The most important is for the both of them to realize their mistakes and just be themselves in the relationship. Isn't that the reason they are so great after all?? They could be themselves around each other. Sometimes I miss the platonic relationship they used to have. I just hope that their most intimate relationship will be handled with the awesomeness their platonic relationship has.

[koops]

I agree with both POVs, personally. I think that wowbagger put it best, to be honest but that's where I come down to. I do NOT want Amy to play games with Sheldon, manipulating him into giving her what she wants or repenting using passive-aggressive strategies. That's not a healthy relationship and I don't understand why anybody would want their partner to give them affection just because they're essentially coerced/manipulated into it. If Sheldon gives her any affection, it should be because he WANTS to.

 

On the other hand, I think is't completely and utterly ridiculous to claim that Amy should not be upset that he left her how he did, especially after the things he said to her. She might be pushy and clueless and a bit of a nag, but she really does love him and it must hurt for her to be tossed aside like that. I don't think she should "suck it up" and sit and wait for him to figure out what he wants if she is truly upset. I can totally believe she might want to break up with him just because she's worn down completely and can't take the backlash anymore, it's nothing to do with being passive-aggressive, she might simply be exhausted and wondering whether this is all worth it anymore. It's perfectly understandable behavior, and tough luck for Sheldon if it comes at the same time as his life-crisis: life isn't fair to anybody and he isn't any more special than anybody else, if he doesn't want to face the consequences of his actions he should watch what comes out of his mouth. 

 

On a totally different note, I came in here to shout one thing: SHAMY FOR THE EMMYS 2014!!!  

[TreesRgreen]

Bit late in joining this thread as a new member so apologies if I am out of sync a little.  I can’t go spoiler free, as being in the UK we will only see the final episode tonight.  I was so upset about the finale, I cannot wait till next year to find out what happens.  Will not rake up all my issues about the end as I am sure they have been gone over by other members on other threads.  One thing I do hope for the coming season is that the character of Amy is treated a little better by the writers. 

 

I know that in the show she is only supposed to be a supporting role, but as she has become more involved with (and possibly – hopefully – more important to) Sheldon, then I think the character is becoming more central and perhaps should be given more substance rather than just an apparent side-line.  She has been in the series now for 4 years, and as someone said on another thread, we know little or nothing about her other than she has a mother.

 

Also on a separate note – WAY TO GO SHAMY, JIM AND MAYIM

[rachelshamyfan]

The train kiss is 2.5k viewed from 4 million!

Shamy!

[wowbagger]

I agree with both POVs, personally. I think that wowbagger put it best, to be honest but that's where I come down to. I do NOT want Amy to play games with Sheldon, manipulating him into giving her what she wants or repenting using passive-aggressive strategies. That's not a healthy relationship and I don't understand why anybody would want their partner to give them affection just because they're essentially coerced/manipulated into it. If Sheldon gives her any affection, it should be because he WANTS to.

 

On the other hand, I think is't completely and utterly ridiculous to claim that Amy should not be upset that he left her how he did, especially after the things he said to her. She might be pushy and clueless and a bit of a nag, but she really does love him and it must hurt for her to be tossed aside like that. I don't think she should "suck it up" and sit and wait for him to figure out what he wants if she is truly upset. I can totally believe she might want to break up with him just because she's worn down completely and can't take the backlash anymore, it's nothing to do with being passive-aggressive, she might simply be exhausted and wondering whether this is all worth it anymore. It's perfectly understandable behavior, and tough luck for Sheldon if it comes at the same time as his life-crisis: life isn't fair to anybody and he isn't any more special than anybody else, if he doesn't want to face the consequences of his actions he should watch what comes out of his mouth. 

 

 

Preach it, koops. 

[Irene]

The train kiss is 2.5k viewed from 4 million!

Shamy!

Just over 4 million views now. And only a handful of those are from me.

[Jiab]

Just over 4 million views now. And only a handful of those are from me.

Yay! and they were nominated together for the 3rd time. 

[alexaaa]

EMMYS reactions from Deadlinehttp://www.deadline.com/2014/07/emmy-awards-nominees-reactions-nominations-2014/

 

Jim Parsons, The Big Bang Theory (Also a supporting actor nominee in the movie/miniseries category for The Normal Heart)

With three Emmys under his belt for playing Sheldon Cooper on the hit CBS series, what continues to amaze Parsons about the character is “The magical way in which the writers have handled the advancement of his relationship with Amy.  It ain’t easy running their progress with these two love birds without alienating the viewers. But the writers do it so well, even in such moments like a kiss.

Edited July 11, 2014 by alexaasweet

[kazzie]

The first scripts are written... TPTB know our fate....

 

omg.

[Redrose]

I really don't like the breaking-up scenario. I understand that it could be useful for their relationship, Wowbanger and other members explained it greatly. But it stills annoying to me. I think It's cheap and not really necessary. The most interesting thing about the Shamy, is, in my humble opinion, the fact that they're not like other couples. Their spirit is different and what upsets me the most is that the writers are turning them into a detestable stereotyped couple with lies and tricks to get affection. WHY ?

 

Now back to the break up scenario, like I said I'm not really ok. How about they could simply use the summer : Sheldon working on his problems + (and I thinks It's as important as Sheldon's problem ) Amy questioning herself about what she really wants, how she wants it and where are they going... It's classic but fundamental. And instead of a boring and over-used break-up scenario, they could simply talk and modify the RA according to their needs, that's a lot more "Shamy-like", don't you think ?

[koops]

I really don't like the breaking-up scenario. I understand that it could be useful for their relationship, Wowbanger and other members explained it greatly. But it stills annoying to me. I think It's cheap and not really necessary. The most interesting thing about the Shamy, is, in my humble opinion, the fact that they're not like other couples. Their spirit is different and what upsets me the most is that the writers are turning them into a detestable stereotyped couple with lies and tricks to get affection. WHY ?

 

Now back to the break up scenario, like I said I'm not really ok. How about they could simply use the summer : Sheldon working on his problems + (and I thinks It's as important as Sheldon's problem ) Amy questioning herself about what she really wants, how she wants it and where are they going... It's classic but fundamental. And instead of a boring and over-used break-up scenario, they could simply talk and modify the RA according to their needs, that's a lot more "Shamy-like", don't you think ?

 

I totally agree with you Redrose, I really really really hate the idea of Shamy breaking up because it's such a freaking cliche' it drives me nuts. And even more so, I hate myself for having gotten to the point where I struggle to see a logical and satisfying way out of this without a breakup. *Stupid brain!*

 

Even before we got the news about the finale and people were speculating whether the season was going to end on a cliffhanger I said that if we did end on a cliffhanger, we would start the season on a bad note. I could not see them end on, say, an ILY cliffhanger if Sheldon was going to say it back in the premiere and I can't see them end the season on him leaving if it isn't so he comes back wanting to break up (or with Amy wanting to break up) for the simple fact that I think the writers want to drag this out (can you hear me yawn?), and build the season on it and a scenario where he comes back and they sorted their issues out during the summer or in the premiere is already a conclusion that they might want to save for the season finale. That's why I don't think the season is going to start on the happy note many seem to hope for.  

 

I also really don't like how they've been writing this relationship lately (yeah, I know, you're tired of hearing me rant ) and if they didn't shake up the status quo once and for all the way a breakup can do, I would worry that we would be back to manipulative!Amy and jerk!Sheldon within three episodes of the premiere and I frankly don't enjoy watching that. I am more likely to watch the show again if they're broken up and I can enjoy them as individual characters than with this ridiculous dynamic they've got going on right now. I really miss the times when the approach used to be "How would Shamy do this differently from normal couples?", rather than this lazy approach of "What stereotypically nagging female thing can Amy do this week that Sheldon can react like a jerk to?"

 

I've been thinking about this a lot because of a fanfic I'm writing, and there is one or two compromises I could see that would work for me (am not going to give them away here since I'm hoping to upload soon, hehe) or they could pick up from right where they left off and maybe spend a good portion of the season (up to November sweeps?) with Sheldon on the road so that the 'drama' happens while they're separated physically rather than broken up. I actually think this would be the best option, but I doubt they'd be ok with keeping Jim away from the rest of the cast for more than two episodes. And I also honestly question whether Amy is even a factor in the writers' minds right now. I would not be surprised if we got another "This won't directly affect Amy" from Molaro at Comic Con and find out that the premiere is actually about important matters such as Sheldon getting used to Penny's new haircut.

 

I can only hope this is the one time the writers REALLY shock me with something amazing that I didn't even think of. 

[notchinc]

Sheldon getting used to Penny's haircut!!  BEST.EVER.

[Kathy2611]

Is it just me or does it seem like out of all TPTB, it's Molaro who messes with Shamy (and Amy in particular). I alway get the impression that he's the one that can't stand the Amy character.

[kerrycec03]

Is it just me or does it seem like out of all TPTB, it's Molaro who messes with Shamy (and Amy in particular). I alway get the impression that he's the one that can't stand the Amy character.

You know in interviews, I always got the impression that Molaro was more vested in the Lenny plotlines and Prady was more focused on Shamy elements...BUT Molaro wrote the D&D scene which aside from the Locomotive SIK, goes down as the most "intimate" moment for the Shamy...so not sure....

 

I do see what you mean though, he rarely talks about the Amy character in perticular. 

Edited July 11, 2014 by kerrycec03

[Chaliceinnana]

My impression of Molaro is that he wants to write the Penny & her Pals show, but has to write the Big Bang Theory. 

[koops]

I honestly think Amy is Molaro's least favorite character to write for. He always seems annoyed when people ask questions about her, he has the most underwhelming quotes ("Whatever it is that they have..." and "She actually thinks she has a chance with the guy" taking the cake) and he dismisses her every time she's brought up in interviews so he can redirect attention to other things (i.e. Sheldon and Penny). You never hear stuff like that coming out of Bill's or Chuck's mouth when they're asked about Amy/Shamy, and Bill in particular always loves to point out how impressed he is with how much Amy moves Sheldon and makes him grow. I remember at Paley when someone asked if Meemaw would ever meet and like Amy that Molaro wasn't even so sure about that one. I don't think I've ever heard a good quote come out of him about Amy ever. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong because I'd love to be wrong on this one. 

 

Is he good at writing Shamy scenes? Yes, absolutely. But Shamy scenes are not necessarily Amy scenes. He knows Shamy are a big deal, and he would never be so silly as to ignore them completely, but the impression I get is that he writes them because he has to, rather than because he cares. The D&D was a blatant crumb that had no impact on anything that came after just to shut us up so he could then focus on the most logical outcome for Leonard's trip: Sheldon and Penny becoming two peas in a pod. The fact that Sheldon and Amy are in a relationship doesn't even factor in his mind because they don't have sex, so to him they're not a real relationship (again, "Whatever it is that they have"). Not to mention the total disregard for fact checking when writing about Amy. Again, I'd love for him to prove me wrong, but in these past two years this is the impression I got.