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Right. So.

 

koops, Marina, nickelette, as ever I am in your debt for expressing my thoughts better than I can.

 

This concludes this season's habit (for me) of introducing HUGE Shamy developments that I love in and of themselves, but don't believe that the writers have earned in context. The 'I Love You' declaration (yes, I'm continuing to be a pain about that)- beautifully done, but I had a sense of 'yes, but- where did that come from?' The ring? Look, I devoutly believe that Sheldon and Amy are headed towards delightfully weird love and cohabitation, but- hang on, hang on, you JUST had a blanket fort sleepover. I do not for an instant buy that you would plan a move of this magnitude without making Leonard and Penny's lives a living misery about every aspect of the decision.

 

And Amy's freakout. Now, I have been saying for some time that I think it's Amy's 'turn' to have a freakout. But that would have been at the beginning of this season, as koops suggested. I may even buy that she would freak out while she and Sheldon were going at it. Indeed, that would be a very satisfactory capper to her stiffness during their previous kisses. But flying off the handle because Sheldon asks an innocent question INVOLVING HER IN HIS BELOVED POP-CULTURAL PURSUITS?!? COME ON NOW AND I MEAN IT. (sorry for the all-caps). You have put up with ten times worse, girl. What the actual hell.

 

There's another thing here, which is that the show has a very frustrating habit of shitting on Amy when Sheldon's being unreasonable, and taking Amy's side when she's being unreasonable. I'll explain. You know that time that Sheldon fought with Will Wheaton for Amy? Now, as cute as that sequence was, I believe that Amy was being a massive ball-ache and was in the wrong there. The first kiss? As lovely as it was (and it was, it was), I was on Sheldon's side. Amy was indeed trying to trick him by using his interests. And now? Getting angry with Sheldon because she thinks he's not present in the moment, when he is consulting her about pop-cultural activities that she knows are dear to him? Yes, Team Sheldon. Absolutely Team Sheldon.

 

And finally, the making out- forgive me, but as delightful as it sounds, I would personally have preferred to see the- you know- yellow brick road to making out. We've sat around for season after season suffering through Amy's frustration and Sheldon's cluelessness. We have TWO chaste kisses, a season with very little physical contact between them (apart from the hug, which was wonderful) and now suddenly they're going at it like ferrets in heat?!? I completely buy that this is a reasonable escalation of their relationship, but would it have killed the writers to show us the buildup?

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I'm just gonna write here what I wrote back in the chat room. They're making out. In Amy's mind 'it's finally happening!' then suddenly Sheldon says 'can I start watching the Flash now?' While it may not mean that he wants to watch flash more than make out, if amy is anything like me, an overthinker, she might probably think 'hey, is this how it's gonna be all the time? Is he never gonna concentrate on me alone? Am I not interesting enough that he wants to watch the Flash while we do this?' It might also make her think about whether or not he's really invested in his relationship with her. She's reevaluating and thinking about it more since now, there's a big possibility that they will have coitus, and she probably doesnt wanna give it away to a person who she thinks is less invested.

 

I don't think Sheldon Cooper works this hard to be better for someone if he is not invested.  Maybe she is too close to it right now, but it really is right in front of her face.  Sheldon is very in love with her.  

 

And again, I don't think he wants to watch the Flash while they are kissing, just that he asked her if he should start following the show.  It's not ideal and I can understand why it can be annoying.  However, let's not act like Sheldon was being so horrible.  Hell, his going for another kiss actually should answer the question of what he really wanted to do.

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Still sounds he would rather watch The Flash then make out with the woman he loves.

 

This is not the way I see it at all. He was going back for more kissing and he obviously told her she killed "the mood" as well as telling Lenny later he was upset they went from kissy face to angry face while they were making out like teenagers under the bleachers. While I don't disagree that Sheldon says the most random things at the worst timing sometimes, and I don't blame Amy for asking him "really, that's what you're thinking about?", I also think this whole thing is blown way out of proportion, because Sheldon obviously was INTO IT and had no intention to stop kissing her and was enjoying it (hence, the mood). If Sheldon had preferred watching the Flash instead, he would have. 

 

The point is that he would rather think about and TALK about whether or not he should watch a TV show than make out with her. Not that he wanted to watch it instead. Honestly, does it matter? The point is they were making out and he was thinking about TV. Kind of a bummer if you're the girl he's kissing.

 

It does matter a great deal to me. Getting momentarily distracted during what appears to be a very long makeout session is one thing (and we see that happening all the time to the other couples on the show too), wanting to stop making out because he prefers watching tv is another. I'm not putting all the blame on Amy for being disappointed, for the reasons I explained in other posts this morning and I'm not going to repeat myself. But I also think that she overreacted, because, again, this is not any guy. This is Sheldon. He doesn't just make out with anyone, if he's not 100% into the person.

 

Having said that, I am starting to wonder whether this is the only way the writers could envision shifting gears from making it look like Sheldon is only going along with what she wants to making it clear that he wants her just as much, but he's just going slow. I do think that is a necessary shift, and I probably wouldn't have handled it this way (especially this year), but I can see that this is what the whole scenario is setting up, as far as I can see. Amy is going to come back from her "time off" being honest with him, and she's going to get the answer that "Yes, I do want you.", which, as an audience, we already got to see via his talk to Lenny and the fact that he had a ring in his desk.

 

eta: I just wanted to add that I agree totally with what you say, wow, about Amy having put up a smiley face to stuff that was 100 times worse than this. I understand that people can snap for little nothings after cumulative frustration, but the problem is that Amy, this season, had no cumulative frustration whatsoever, other than the Mars thing that they solved right away. Again, I do hope that this is going to go head on to address the fact that Amy is insecure about Sheldon's attitude towards physical intimacy and that's why she's so snappy about this stuff, and that Sheldon will clear the air for her and this is the way for the writers to turn the page on "asexual" Sheldon. Although, again, from the way the makeout was described, it doesn't require much spelling out to me.

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We also can't be sure when he got the ring. It is heavily my opinion that he got it after watching Leonard and Penny talk about eloping. Because otherwise it would have come up before that. "I was even going to propose to her!" But no, his whole attitude with Lenny was, "I don't get why she's mad at me. What did I do wrong?" And then it's not until a full day and a half later that he calls her and says he's been thinking about the relationship. It sounds like the "thinking" had to come post-fight.

 

The ring purchase happened off screen.  I love off screen Shamy moments.

 

Predict the proposal!!  LOVE IT!

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I don't find this out of left field like some of you and here is why

- I do think Amy reconizes the slow growth from Sheldon but when she finally gets a heated make-out on her anniversary his brain is elsewhere. Then when she questions it he defends it. I am proud that she pulled away when he went in for more. Why continue making out if his heart isn't into this. Is this not what he wants?? Sure he is going through the motions but his mind is elsewhere...she is insulted and fed up. 5 years and in the heat of the moment she still isn't #1 and at this pace forget it!!!

I now believe he got the ring afterwards

The skype phone call sounds so heartbreaking BUT it should humble him a lot.

Lets face it both are assuming what the other might be thinking.

She assumed he is fine the way things are

He assumed that she would never leave him. Of course she would say yes to a proposal, she loves me, will do anything for me, case closed.

I am intrigued how this will play out in early season 9...

If anything when things get back they will begin to speed along physically BUT now he will wait longer on the proposal because he won't forget the hurt.

It doesn't feel like a break up but Amy needs time to think and the girl has never once demanded me time. He pulled the train stunt last year and now its her turn.

I always wanted a role reversal where he chases her...hope it goes that way.

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While it's not what our Shamy loving hearts wanted to hear, it's still not as bad as last year's finale, and look how this season played out in response to that! He only stayed away for 45 days and came back much more appreciative of her than he ever had been before.  If his leaving had that effect on him, imagine what her needing a break from him, will have.  I just wonder about the ring though.  Was it gotten because he honestly felt contrite about putting her second (because it doesn't seem as he really gets what the problem was), or was it along the lines of----She really liked the tiara that time, how can I top it? I think that if/when he proposes in Season 9, it will be when he really means it, not as a gift to get to make up for being a putz (lol).  And that probably wouldn't happen until mid year or next year's finale.  The writers are just speeding things up now.  It all depends on how long they make the time be between the finale and the first episode of 9.  The longer the time, I think, the more far along Sheldon can be in his thinking. 

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I don't think Sheldon Cooper works this hard to be better for someone if he is not invested.  Maybe she is too close to it right now, but it really is right in front of her face.  Sheldon is very in love with her.  

 

And again, I don't think he wants to watch the Flash while they are kissing, just that he asked her if he should start following the show.  It's not ideal and I can understand why it can be annoying.  However, let's not act like Sheldon was being so horrible.  Hell, his going for another kiss actually should answer the question of what he really wanted to do.

yes, I know he's invested, that's why I said "she thinks". Since their relationship is an unconventional one, Amy might be thinking that since Sheldon's not doing certain things in their relationship, she might think he isn't invested when in truth, he is very invested, he just does it in a different manner from the conventional couple 

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Sheldon didn't even realize how and why she was upset, I seriously doubt he would be willing to propose on a whim out of nowhere just because she got upset over a kiss. That is a HUGE commitment and HUGE change in their lives, it's not like going out to buy a tiara. I think that, kind of like with asking her to be his girlfriend, that's something that has been rattling around his brain for a while ("If I had a fiance or a wife"), even though he might not have been planning to do it that night per se. Again, if the writers wanted to convey the message that Sheldon's ring was just a way to try and patch things up, they would have made that clear by having him pulling it out and Amy turning him down (which would have been a hell of a shocker), rather than the way it went down, where we are meant to see that Amy is unaware of his intentions. The way the end reads to me is a total heartbreaking misunderstanding between the two. And I do think it has the potential to be resolved in an incredibly sweet and touching way. I just wish it came at a different time in their relationship, because I do not find it necessary right now and the "taking a break" cliche' is done over and over in so many shows. 

 

On a related note, was the episode a "To be continued" episode? As in, did it give you the impression it would pick up from the same timeframe, more or less, especially if Lenny are still in Vegas and heading to get married (which is just mindblowing to me, still, given Leonard's confession. Wtf.). 

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eta: I just wanted to add that I agree totally with what you say, wow, about Amy having put up a smiley face to stuff that was 100 times worse than this. I understand that people can snap for little nothings after cumulative frustration, but the problem is that Amy, this season, had no cumulative frustration whatsoever, other than the Mars thing that they solved right away. Again, I do hope that this is going to go head on to address the fact that Amy is insecure about Sheldon's attitude towards physical intimacy and that's why she's so snappy about this stuff, and that Sheldon will clear the air for her and this is the way for the writers to turn the page on "asexual" Sheldon. Although, again, from the way the makeout was described, it doesn't require much spelling out to me.

 

I so agree with all of this. Amy has a history (especially seasons 5 & 6) of not being direct and actually communicating how she feels about something to Sheldon, and as frustrating as that was, it made sense because she was the girl who grew up with no friends...of course she wouldn't be great at communicating her feelings directly to someone. And with clueless Sheldon, it led to plenty of little clashes and misunderstandings. This season, for the most part, showed vast improvement in the way that they communicate. She has gotten more direct with him, which has been wonderful to see. Things have been moving along steadily with little obvious dysfunction. And then we get this. 

 

I understand the idea they're trying to sell us here. And I could even believe that Amy might secretly struggle day in-day out with not quite understanding how Sheldon feels about her and where things are going, and not being able to muster the courage to be direct and just ask, even after all this time. I could also believe that this insecurity coupled with Sheldon's complete oblivion to it could wear her down and bring her to a breaking point, especially when they are celebrating a big milestone. I can buy that. My issue is that since there was no indication all season that this is a struggle (quite the opposite, really), it makes Amy's reaction look like much ado about nothing. Like, I understand the idea, and I can appreciate it, but with all of the signs all season pointing to the fact that they are communicating better than ever, this just feels kind of cheap, you know? I can totally get behind a plot of Amy struggling with the progress and wondering how Sheldon really feels, and even wanting to take some time to figure it all out, but when we have no real narrative indication of this all year, it makes it seem like an overreaction by Amy, which I don't think is totally fair to her character.

 

 

 

This concludes this season's habit (for me) of introducing HUGE Shamy developments that I love in and of themselves, but don't believe that the writers have earned in context. The 'I Love You' declaration (yes, I'm continuing to be a pain about that)- beautifully done, but I had a sense of 'yes, but- where did that come from?' The ring? Look, I devoutly believe that Sheldon and Amy are headed towards delightfully weird love and cohabitation, but- hang on, hang on, you JUST had a blanket fort sleepover. I do not for an instant buy that you would plan a move of this magnitude without making Leonard and Penny's lives a living misery about every aspect of the decision.

 

 

Exactly. I actually really love this plot. But I don't think it belongs here. It belongs last season, or maybe next season after some indication that Amy's struggling. I can rationalize Amy sort of hitting a breaking point and it coming out of left field to Sheldon, because again, she has a history of not directly communicating what she feels. Sheldon's surprise at the situation makes it effectively heartbreaking, and now we, as the audience, are postured to rally around Sheldon and truly understand what he wants (which is a wonderful change of pace).  BUT, again, the cost of that drama is that logically, all of it is coming out of left field to us, too, and it sort of feels cheap. I feel like Sheldon with my hat in hands (or ring, I guess)...going "What now, Gollum?"

 

I do want to say that I'm not unhappy (just feeling a little whiplash).  While I agree that Sheldon deciding he's ready for marriage is sort of out of nowhere, I am really intrigued by the idea of him deciding that this is what he wants possibly without understanding or being ready for the consequences. And I'm interested to see how this is going to get resolved. I suspect  quickly, because Sheldon isn't the kind to suffer (or do anything) in silence. Though, he's apparently been silently contemplating marriage for who knows how long, so I guess anything is possible. 

 

If I take off my critical hat, I am pretty happy with all of this overall. Even if it seems a bit unbelievable (damn, how did my critical hat get back on?!), I love how we get to unambiguously see what Sheldon actually wants and are poised to see this relationship through Sheldon's feelings. For the first time, he's vulnerable and the ball is really in Amy's court, which (while I'm a little annoyed at how it got there) I think is for the best. 

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I would imagine he was already thinking of marriage for a while but when Penny waves her hand in his face when he questioned their slow speed, he was a bit shocked and maybe went then... Or he has had it for some time...

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I just hope that the time between thei finale and the premiere is enough time for her. That this is not protracted over an entire season of will they or won't they get back together. It just bothers me that they had so much progress and this is where they went with it. That being said it would be nice to see him chase her again. Okay now onto the kiss, I just thought it was like in the Expedtion episode where he tells Raj his mind is capable of thinking of several things at once. Let me stand on my soapbox and advocate for aspergers (whether you agree he has it or not I operate on the assumption that yes he does) my son has aspergers too. It is nearly impossible for his mind to focus on one single thing at any given time. He can be having happy birthday sung to him and he is going on about how Luigi is far better than Mario. It is not that Sheldon did not enjoy the kiss, he probably was enjoying it more than Amy knows, it's just that his brain is adjusted to randomness and he was not using his filter b/c to him kissing or not it was the same as any normal time of them being in the couch together,

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I totally agree with koops on this one, the marriage thing is probably something he's been thinking about for quite some time but he hasn't come around to it. It's Flaming Spittoon all over again. He wants Amy and wants her to be with him but he hasn't found the time or courage to just come out and ask, then something happens (e.g Amy decides she's had enough and decides to try dating someone else) and he panics and realizes he needs to kick things up. Hence asking her to be his gf. Then the proposal - Amy wants more and Sheldon's being told he's supposed to speed things up - In his mind that was the cue to pick that ring out of the drawer and ask her to marry him.

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Ok, Im going to give as much in depth description of the Shamy... From my View point. I was seated the 3rd row back pretty much centre stage. So I had a very good view of the Boys apartment.

 

In the January taping... We all freaked out as we saw Jim and Mayim chewing gum before a scene.. So this time a few of us joked.. OMG they are chewing gum, knowing what happened last time.. LITTLE DID WE KNOW.

 

Cold open: (Face sucking)

Sheldon was sitting in his spot but nearer to the middle of the couch facing Amy. He was wearing a date night shirt (I think it was open buttoned?) Amy was sitting facing him in normal amy date night attire.. It was a new dress.. Amy style of course. They were sitting facing each other pretty close waiting for action to be called.. We all had a feeling something was about to happen..

 

Action was called, And they went in for the kill. I had a very clear view without having to look at the monitors, Amy had her arms were up over Sheldon's neck and hands resting on his shoulders.. While Sheldon had 1 arm around Amy's back and 1 hand high on her thigh. Kissing wise, I didn't to others didn't catch if any tongues were involved. But what we could make it that it was PRETTY damn intense. This wasn't the SIK or SIK 2.0.. This was a complete make out session. There was certainly head movement. It looked VERY passionate.

 

When they broke the kiss (mutual break off) They smiled.. Amy mentioned about their 5th anniversary. Sheldon smiled and looking like a complete man in Love.. Agreed with her. Sheldon then asked if he should watch the new Flash series. Understandably Amy got pissed here. She mentioned that while they are making out and on their 5th anniversary, Thats that all he can think about?. Sheldon says Thats not all he is thinking about.. And he says this in quite a turn on way.. I mean it came across as quite flirty they way he said it.

 

Amy replied asking if he was thinking about her... Sheldon answered he was thinking about her, As in asking her about her opinion on Sheldon starting to watch the Flash animated series. When he finishes this line, Sheldon moves in to re-inniate the kiss. He has her arms on her and moves in while smiling still. I can't recall.. But one of the girls thinks Sheldon said "Come here" when he moved into to face suck again...

 

Before Sheldon could get in there.. Amy stopped in by placing 2 fingers on his lips.. Stopping him in his track."Really? Thats what you're thinking about?".. But Amy is still very pissed about Sheldon's thought process. She deny's him a Kiss. He looks disappointed. while Amy explains why she is pissed. Sheldon tells Amy she had killed the mood now anyway and gets up off the couch to grab a drink from the fridge. 

 

Amy follows him over obviously still upset. She points out again they have been together 5 years and the most she can get out of him is a distracted make out session while talking about super hero's an how she's been extremely patient with him all this time. Sheldon doesn't quite understand. He asks if Amy was being sarcastic (I THINK.. There was something along these lines), Amy replies in a sarcastic tone but Sheldon just did not understand. 

 

That was the end of the cold open.

 

Shamy moments during the episode (Without Amy)

 

Sheldon is sitting on his laptop when Leonard and Penny arrive home. Sheldon seeks the advise from them both straight away. He wasn't understanding why Amy was so mad. He explained the situation to both Leonard and Penny.. He described it as "There we were making out like teenage hooligans under the high school bleachers.." He describes the situation more to Penny.. "We went from kissy face to grumpy face"

 

The next day, Over dinner. Sheldon was concerned as he had not heard from Amy in 24 hours, He reached out to Leonard and Penny about this again. When Penny and Leonard pointed out his errors.. Sheldon was still not convinced he was in the wrong. Penny tried to explain that Sheldon was taking the relationship far to slow later pointing out that They had been together 5 years and haven't even slept together. Sheldon's reply: "It's called foreplay".

 

This is where Sheldon started to address the slow pace that lenny are taking.. pointing out a date had not even been set yet. 

 

Tag Scene (Amy backs off, Sheldon has a mother fucking ring)

 

The scene starts with Sheldon sitting alone in the apartment on his laptop It seems like he has been thinking about things. He Skype call's Amy. Amy picked up the call, While looking pretty straight and a little taken back. Amy started to explain how she had been thinking about relationships. Sheldon too said he had been thinking about relationships. Amy goes onto explain how she has been so patient and how there is now easy way for her to say this because she loves him, but she needs to take a step back. She looks very shocked during this. It was quite heartbreaking.

 

Sheldon sits there and looks shocked. He just says "ok" and they end on a "bye". Sheldon closes his laptop and just sits there. He's looking very sad and very shocked. Just like he doesn't know what to do with himself. He then starts to fiddle with his Golem figurine that sits on his desk.. He twists its around to face him and says in a serious voice, "Well Golem... You are the master of rings. What should I do with this?" And with that he pulls out a small box and opens it to reveal a ring.

 

Scene, and Season 8 ends. Fade out!.

 

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Wow, I mean just WOW! That was my 10th taping and Im just honoured to have witnessed that! I can't even begin to speculate on Season 9.. All I can think about was WHEN he was planning to propose and when did he GET that ring? DUDE!?

 

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A few things I would like to share about tonight taping! I got lucky as I somehow do at these things. First off.. Myself, Maddie and Maria got a wave from Mayim which was very sweet of her to respond :).

 

I was pretty close to the barrier and centre tonight.. So when Kaley and Johnny came up to the barrier I was in quite close view. Kaley recognised me from past shenangans (Flash mobbing, Backstage last week, Spcial media) and started smiling at me. I lifted my arm to wave and she noticed my Tattoo.. She looked shocked and just said OMG! She got Johnny's attention as well and asked me to show it to her.. "OMG Is that a Bazinga Tattoo?!? She kept saying OMG, Johhny just laughed.. They gave me some awesome smiles and waves. That felt pretty special! the pain of this thing was WORTH IT. They are such sweethearts!

 

My buddy Kevin Sussman spotted me during the curtain call and started waving at me and having a few winks and jokes as we do.. He met my by the exit while on my way out to get our second selfie together. Im awaiting the cast party to finish for him to upload it.. The Kazvie lives! He is honestly the sweetest peace of human ever :)

 

Fantasic wrap up to Season 8! I seriously can't believe its done already.. That went by so fast! On a personal level.. I have been the luckiest ever fan this Season.. With tapings and Cast/Crew recognition.. I got to meet Kevin and Bill.. Both of which take time to interact with me on social media. Bill is actually on first name basis with me now which is unbelievable! We have spoken in person quite a few times now. My interaction and selfies with Kevin have been mind blowing.. I got to meet Kunal, Molaro, Jim Reynolds and actually have a beer with them and other crew members backstage. They love my BBT Tat! *phew*.. I also got to meet Melissa, Conversed with Simon on Twitter. There was also The Interaction with Kaley and Johnny this evening.. As well as past interaction with Kaley, Jim, Mayim and Melissa while me and some other fans flash mobbed with them!.. More awesome stuff has happened as well.. Its mind blowing!

 

Its been an incredible ride and an incredible season. I am incredibly fortunate, and I am happy I am able to share my interactions and spoilers with you guys.. Many of my now close friends in real life have originated from this very forum. These people in my fandom friendship are family to me.

 

To everyone on the forum here.. Thank you all for keeping track and your positive support! I never plan to hold back.. And will be continuing this crazy fandom journey until the End..

 

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I doubt the time between the finale and the first episode of 9 would be too long---the way things were left, with both Lenny and Shamy---it might be a "to be continued" type thing, unless they told it in a flashback way.  I think this "break-up" thing will just be a little blip---a way for Sheldon to really come to terms with what he wants, which is obviously, Amy.  He wanted her/loved her already;  is trying to find out what he did wrong so he can fix it, and possibly has had the idea of marriage on his mind;  so her needing a break from him is going to hurt.  Hopefully he'll fight to get her back, which I would like to see---him pursuing her.  I'm sure the fanfiction this summer will be interesting! :)

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Although I wish Shamy wasn't on a break, I can understand why Amy may need a breather after reading a few poster's perspectives. I guess I will have to trust that TPTB have something very special planned for Shamy in season 9. The season 7 finale brought about some major milestones in season 8 so I cannot wait to see what happens in season 9. I have a feeling that things will speed up a bit for Shamy.

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I so agree with all of this. Amy has a history (especially seasons 5 & 6) of not being direct and actually communicating how she feels about something to Sheldon, and as frustrating as that was, it made sense because she was the girl who grew up with no friends...of course she wouldn't be great at communicating her feelings directly to someone. And with clueless Sheldon, it led to plenty of little clashes and misunderstandings. This season, for the most part, showed vast improvement in the way that they communicate. She has gotten more direct with him, which has been wonderful to see. Things have been moving along steadily with little obvious dysfunction. And then we get this. 

 

I understand the idea they're trying to sell us here. And I could even believe that Amy might secretly struggle day in-day out with not quite understanding how Sheldon feels about her and where things are going, and not being able to muster the courage to be direct and just ask, even after all this time. I could also believe that this insecurity coupled with Sheldon's complete oblivion to it could wear her down and bring her to a breaking point, especially when they are celebrating a big milestone. I can buy that. My issue is that since there was no indication all season that this is a struggle (quite the opposite, really), it makes Amy's reaction look like much ado about nothing. Like, I understand the idea, and I can appreciate it, but with all of the signs all season pointing to the fact that they are communicating better than ever, this just feels kind of cheap, you know? I can totally get behind a plot of Amy struggling with the progress and wondering how Sheldon really feels, and even wanting to take some time to figure it all out, but when we have no real narrative indication of this all year, it makes it seem like an overreaction by Amy, which I don't think is totally fair to her character.

 

 

 

Exactly. I actually really love this plot. But I don't think it belongs here. It belongs last season, or maybe next season after some indication that Amy's struggling. I can rationalize Amy sort of hitting a breaking point and it coming out of left field to Sheldon, because again, she has a history of not directly communicating what she feels. Sheldon's surprise at the situation makes it effectively heartbreaking, and now we, as the audience, are postured to rally around Sheldon and truly understand what he wants (which is a wonderful change of pace).  BUT, again, the cost of that drama is that logically, all of it is coming out of left field to us, too, and it sort of feels cheap. I feel like Sheldon with my hat in hands (or ring, I guess)...going "What now, Gollum?"

 

I do want to say that I'm not unhappy (just feeling a little whiplash).  While I agree that Sheldon deciding he's ready for marriage is sort of out of nowhere, I am really intrigued by the idea of him deciding that this is what he wants possibly without understanding or being ready for the consequences. And I'm interested to see how this is going to get resolved. I suspect  quickly, because Sheldon isn't the kind to suffer (or do anything) in silence. Though, he's apparently been silently contemplating marriage for who knows how long, so I guess anything is possible. 

 

If I take off my critical hat, I am pretty happy with all of this overall. Even if it seems a bit unbelievable (damn, how did my critical hat get back on?!), I love how we get to unambiguously see what Sheldon actually wants and are poised to see this relationship through Sheldon's feelings. For the first time, he's vulnerable and the ball is really in Amy's court, which (while I'm a little annoyed at how it got there) I think is for the best. 

 

 

Yes! I know I sound repetitive, but I keep going back to her fanfic. “All she longed to ask was if his heart was beating as fast as her. But she was too afraid to hear the answer.” I think that really sums up Amy’s mindset when it comes to physical intimacy. She has never straight up asked him what he wants or how he feels about it. Yes, she’s asked whether they will ever be intimate, but that’s different from asking whether he desires her in “that way” the same way she does. He could say “yes, we will have sex” and just go through the motions. And I think that’s Amy’s greatest fear right now, and it’s kind of reassuring, in a way, that she’s worrying about that. Now that I am being more clear-headed about it, I can also see the positives in it: it would be much more worrying if Amy really just wanted him to lay her down and “give it to her well” regardless of where his mind is at or what he desires, so long as she gets sex. The fact that she wants him to want it as much as she does, is reassuring in that sense.

 

But, again, the problem is that “She is too afraid to hear the answer”, so she never really asks the question. Not directly. And Sheldon does not work well with “indirect”. Not to mention that, frankly, she’s pretty bad at reading signals too. Yes, Sheldon’s line about Flash was inappropriate for the moment, but against that there are all the other signs about how he was kissing her that, to an external observer, say a lot about where his mind was at. I kind of wish she went an talk to Penny about this in detail, and have Penny say “Oh, honey. You really don’t know when a guy is into you, do you?”.

 

I thoroughly agree though that it is nice to see Sheldon as the vulnerable one. Not the one that sees Amy upset and buys her a tiara or shrugs it off with “eat one of your Luna Bars”. But the Sheldon who can’t sleep over it, and sits at his laptop, sad and lonely, wondering where it all went wrong. And I think it’s very mature of him to understand her and give her the space she needs. I just hope that the writers handle this with the tact and care that it deserves, because the last thing you want here is to give the impression Sheldon is just giving her whatever she wants so as not to lose her, or that Amy is putting an ultimatum on him just for her own reasons. I do strongly believe that Amy needs the reassurance that Sheldon desires her and is not just going through the motions, because that’s the only smudge still left on their relationship. But I sincerely hope this is not going to be dragged on in a “will they/won’t they” scenario for ages, because it’s so cliche’. And as much as I get Amy’s insecurities, I am also a fan of this character because she is NOT like any regular girl, because she gets more out of her relationship with Sheldon than just physical intimacy, because she gets him and reads him like a book in most aspects of life. So I hope that they’re not going to turn this into “downtown hipster Amy” taking a break and “browsing around” and complaining about her “difficult” romance, because, honestly, as difficult as it was, it was also difficult for Sheldon (she was the one who put cards on the table that weren’t there to start with), and it also brought her a whole life and happiness she never had before in her life. 

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I know that this is off topic slightly.  When I first read the synopsis of the finale, I was right and truly pissed off with the writers.  Not the fact that Amy wanted a step back, but the actual timing of this in relation to all that has gone on before.

 

However I have had some time to think about this now, and I wonder if the writers were being considerate to Mayim's current circumstances.  Due to her sad personal loss, she has been unavailable for table readings and rehearsals (though I may be wrong) till Monday.  Also, though a consummate professional, I think it would have been harsh to expect her to be anything but restrained at present.

 

I know that there could have been other options, but they chose this, so taking that into account, I am hoping that this will be a 'to be continued' type episode and that the follow up will be awesome.

 

For me the cat is alive, but has taken a nap.

 

 

 

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