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Yes! I know I sound repetitive, but I keep going back to her fanfic. “All she longed to ask was if his heart was beating as fast as her. But she was too afraid to hear the answer.” I think that really sums up Amy’s mindset when it comes to physical intimacy. She has never straight up asked him what he wants or how he feels about it. Yes, she’s asked whether they will ever be intimate, but that’s different from asking whether he desires her in “that way” the same way she does. He could say “yes, we will have sex” and just go through the motions. And I think that’s Amy’s greatest fear right now, and it’s kind of reassuring, in a way, that she’s worrying about that. Now that I am being more clear-headed about it, I can also see the positives in it: it would be much more worrying if Amy really just wanted him to lay her down and “give it to her well” regardless of where his mind is at or what he desires, so long as she gets sex. The fact that she wants him to want it as much as she does, is reassuring in that sense.

 

But, again, the problem is that “She is too afraid to hear the answer”, so she never really asks the question. Not directly. And Sheldon does not work well with “indirect”. Not to mention that, frankly, she’s pretty bad at reading signals too. Yes, Sheldon’s line about Flash was inappropriate for the moment, but against that there are all the other signs about how he was kissing her that, to an external observer, say a lot about where his mind was at. I kind of wish she went an talk to Penny about this in detail, and have Penny say “Oh, honey. You really don’t know when a guy is into you, do you?”.

 

I thoroughly agree though that it is nice to see Sheldon as the vulnerable one. Not the one that sees Amy upset and buys her a tiara or shrugs it off with “eat one of your Luna Bars”. But the Sheldon who can’t sleep over it, and sits at his laptop, sad and lonely, wondering where it all went wrong. And I think it’s very mature of him to understand her and give her the space she needs. I just hope that the writers handle this with the tact and care that it deserves, because the last thing you want here is to give the impression Sheldon is just giving her whatever she wants so as not to lose her, or that Amy is putting an ultimatum on him just for her own reasons. I do strongly believe that Amy needs the reassurance that Sheldon desires her and is not just going through the motions, because that’s the only smudge still left on their relationship. But I sincerely hope this is not going to be dragged on in a “will they/won’t they” scenario for ages, because it’s so cliche’. And as much as I get Amy’s insecurities, I am also a fan of this character because she is NOT like any regular girl, because she gets more out of her relationship with Sheldon than just physical intimacy, because she gets him and reads him like a book in most aspects of life. So I hope that they’re not going to turn this into “downtown hipster Amy” taking a break and “browsing around” and complaining about her “difficult” romance, because, honestly, as difficult as it was, it was also difficult for Sheldon (she was the one who put cards on the table that weren’t there to start with), and it also brought her a whole life and happiness she never had before in her life. 

 

 

Amen. It's frustrating, actually, that along with Amy's desire for intimacy she discovered this fearfulness about directness. Realistic, but frustrating. I completely get that as Amy and Sheldon discovered their value for each other, they became more cautious about saying what they truly feel and think. But one of the wonderful things about the couple, back in the day, was how good they were at communicating with each other. So, as I'm calming down a little bit, I can appreciate that Sheldon is now in the position of having to accommodate another human being, and indeed it was on my wishlist that the role of carer/cared-for would reverse between Amy and Sheldon. I just- I just wish that the development had been wrought with a little more finesse.

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I'm EXTREMELY happy that we will finally get to see one of their make out sessions on screen ( all the behind the scenes was unfair for us :p

 

The ring... maybe he had been talking with his mother and she gave it to him when she came to visit. 

 

Amy's decision... well.... I wouldn't say that the timing is that off. it  didn't bother her so much in previous seasons because she hadn't heard Sheldon say the 'love' word then. This season is different. They have proclaimed their love for one another many times.... I think Amy  just wants more than just words. She was upset with the going to Mars thing and now... in the middle of their ANNIVERSARY date..he's thinking about a TV show. She does have a point BUT... I didn't think she would actually need a break. ( reminded me a little of season 6 anniversary) 

Amy wants someone who is committed to her 100% ( we all do) and even though Sheldon has been making remarkable strides ... maybe it's not enough for her right now. maybe she's afraid to give 100% of herself as well.  

 

Do they need to talk things out??? DEFINITELY.  ( SEASON 9 ..or even during the summer..who knows) 

 

Would he have proposed ..no.( they have ended 2 seasons with proposals... too cliche for a third). FORESHADOWING? definitely! ALL GOOD THINGS COME TO THOSE WHO WAIT!  :party:

 

I REMAIN POSITIVE and look forward to season 9!  :derisive:

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THANK YOU to all who gave information on the taping.  I used to possess the ability to 'wait and see' but since discovering this forum that ability has been lost.  LOL!

 

Of course I want to see the actual episode but I am going to be in the minority here and say - I understand Amy's actions in this. 

 

I think for Amy it is not just about being in love but also about sexuality.  I do NOT for a minute think that sex is the be all and end all for her.  But I do believe it is important.  I think it is important in all relationships that you feel that your partner wants you in a sexual way.  That they find you appealing.  That they 'want' you.  Sheldon never really acts as if he is interested in her sexually.   I know that Sheldon as portrayed is NOT a sexual person.  But I would think for Amy she hopes it would be different.

 

It has to hurt that while you are in the middle of an intense make-out session that your partner would in essence prefer to be doing something else - like watching a television show.   We know Sheldon - if this show is on his mind he DVR'd it.  I think for Amy she feels and I agree that she has to work too hard to get Sheldon to interact with her on a sexual level.  I think the biting comments from Bernadette and others about her lacking sexuality are always in her head and Sheldons reactions or lack thereof only reinforce her feelings and insecurities in that area.  Sheldon in essence is saying that their making-out is not foremost in his thoughts.  He is really not invested in it because he is thinking of something else and NOT thinking of taking it to its natural progression which is what most people would be thinking of at that moment.  I know - Sheldon isn't most people - but for Amy this has to be a bit of a blow.

 

I think she is right to take a step back and decide if this non-sexual relationship is one that she is willing to live with.  Does she continue to devote time to a relationship that does not give her the satisfaction that she craves?  And lets be honest - Amy has ALWAYS wanted a sexual relationship with Sheldon.  Sheldon seemingly does NOT want that type of relationship.  Does she continue to wait for Sheldon to want her sexually?  After 5 years she has to face the reality that it  may never happen.

 

I think Amy is right to think about the type of relationship she wants and not just continue to conform with what Sheldon wants.

 

I hope this 'break' isn't a long one. 

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Amen. It's frustrating, actually, that along with Amy's desire for intimacy she discovered this fearfulness about directness. Realistic, but frustrating. I completely get that as Amy and Sheldon discovered their value for each other, they became more cautious about saying what they truly feel and think. But one of the wonderful things about the couple, back in the day, was how good they were at communicating with each other. So, as I'm calming down a little bit, I can appreciate that Sheldon is now in the position of having to accommodate another human being, and indeed it was on my wishlist that the role of carer/cared-for would reverse between Amy and Sheldon. I just- I just wish that the development had been wrought with a little more finesse.

 

I agree, I wish it had been brought up with more finesse as well. But, mind you, what I hope I managed to emphasize is that I *do* believe Shamy communicate with directness and honesty as far as almost everything in their relationship is concerned. Just look at Colonization, for example. I just think physical intimacy is their big crux, and that's the one thing they don't communicate well about. And I can see why. Amy is afraid of the answers, so she either makes assumptions or ignores it. Sheldon is mostly content with the status quo and has had certain views/hung ups regarding sex for a long time, so he'd rather avoid it. And then I think there's the issue of both being inexperienced at romance and virgins. I think they probably have a bit of shyness in bringing up those topics with each other in a direct manner, and have no idea how to approach them. The more I think about it, the more I feel like this "fight" was just a plot device to face this question head on: what is the deal with Sheldon? That's the only way this plotline is going to be answered, really. 

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THANK YOU to all who gave information on the taping. I used to possess the ability to 'wait and see' but since discovering this forum that ability has been lost. LOL!

Of course I want to see the actual episode but I am going to be in the minority here and say - I understand Amy's actions in this.

I think for Amy it is not just about being in love but also about sexuality. I do NOT for a minute think that sex is the be all and end all for her. But I do believe it is important. I think it is important in all relationships that you feel that your partner wants you in a sexual way. That they find you appealing. That they 'want' you. Sheldon never really acts as if he is interested in her sexually. I know that Sheldon as portrayed is NOT a sexual person. But I would think for Amy she hopes it would be different.

It has to hurt that while you are in the middle of an intense make-out session that your partner would in essence prefer to be doing something else - like watching a television show. We know Sheldon - if this show is on his mind he DVR'd it. I think for Amy she feels and I agree that she has to work too hard to get Sheldon to interact with her on a sexual level. I think the biting comments from Bernadette and others about her lacking sexuality are always in her head and Sheldons reactions or lack thereof only reinforce her feelings and insecurities in that area. Sheldon in essence is saying that their making-out is not foremost in his thoughts. He is really not invested in it because he is thinking of something else and NOT thinking of taking it to its natural progression which is what most people would be thinking of at that moment. I know - Sheldon isn't most people - but for Amy this has to be a bit of a blow.

I think she is right to take a step back and decide if this non-sexual relationship is one that she is willing to live with. Does she continue to devote time to a relationship that does not give her the satisfaction that she craves? And lets be honest - Amy has ALWAYS wanted a sexual relationship with Sheldon. Sheldon seemingly does NOT want that type of relationship. Does she continue to wait for Sheldon to want her sexually? After 5 years she has to face the reality that it may never happen.

I think Amy is right to think about the type of relationship she wants and not just continue to conform with what Sheldon wants.

I hope this 'break' isn't a long one.

Agree 100%

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I'm really reeeeeaaaly sad that Amy broke up with Sheldon and it took me a while to calm down,but now I feel that it's gonna be alright!

It's classic "sitcom-drama",it makes you worry for a while but you know it's gonna be ok eventually,like when Marshal and Lily broke up in HIMYM or the "I got off the plane" incident in Friends.

Although it's gonna be a difficult hiatus,it's not gonna be a difficult as last year because at least we know that Sheldon is ready to commit right?

 

 

Also I have to say that I looked like I was having a seizure when I read about the make out session :girlblum:

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thank you to all who went to the taping and gave us something to talk about! 

 

( KAZZIE.... I'M GLAD YOU FINALLY GOT YOUR MAKE OUT!!!! NEXT TIME PROPOSAL OR EVEN..COITUS:icon_cheesygrin: ) 

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Boxed set of Flash DVDs: 45 dollars

Diamond ring larger than Penny's: 8500 dollars

Sheldon getting a clue? Priceless!

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Boxed set of Flash DVDs: 45 dollars

Diamond ring larger than Penny's: 8500 dollars

Sheldon getting a clue? Priceless!

Love this!!!!!

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THANK YOU to all who gave information on the taping. I used to possess the ability to 'wait and see' but since discovering this forum that ability has been lost. LOL!

Of course I want to see the actual episode but I am going to be in the minority here and say - I understand Amy's actions in this.

I think for Amy it is not just about being in love but also about sexuality. I do NOT for a minute think that sex is the be all and end all for her. But I do believe it is important. I think it is important in all relationships that you feel that your partner wants you in a sexual way. That they find you appealing. That they 'want' you. Sheldon never really acts as if he is interested in her sexually. I know that Sheldon as portrayed is NOT a sexual person. But I would think for Amy she hopes it would be different.

It has to hurt that while you are in the middle of an intense make-out session that your partner would in essence prefer to be doing something else - like watching a television show. We know Sheldon - if this show is on his mind he DVR'd it. I think for Amy she feels and I agree that she has to work too hard to get Sheldon to interact with her on a sexual level. I think the biting comments from Bernadette and others about her lacking sexuality are always in her head and Sheldons reactions or lack thereof only reinforce her feelings and insecurities in that area. Sheldon in essence is saying that their making-out is not foremost in his thoughts. He is really not invested in it because he is thinking of something else and NOT thinking of taking it to its natural progression which is what most people would be thinking of at that moment. I know - Sheldon isn't most people - but for Amy this has to be a bit of a blow.

I think she is right to take a step back and decide if this non-sexual relationship is one that she is willing to live with. Does she continue to devote time to a relationship that does not give her the satisfaction that she craves? And lets be honest - Amy has ALWAYS wanted a sexual relationship with Sheldon. Sheldon seemingly does NOT want that type of relationship. Does she continue to wait for Sheldon to want her sexually? After 5 years she has to face the reality that it may never happen.

I think Amy is right to think about the type of relationship she wants and not just continue to conform with what Sheldon wants.

I hope this 'break' isn't a long one.

I completely agree with this, would put my 2 cents later.

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Bottom line for me: Amy who wants to be desired and worries she's pushing him into something he doesn't want = great. Amy who wants sex and is fed up with his pace = not great at all.  

 

 

 

Here is the thing, though: consider the circumstances of the first SiK. That wasn't Sheldon being backed into a corner and standing still while Amy kissed him. It wasn't Sheldon saying 'Oh, fine, if that's what you want'.It was Sheldon lashing out in anger, but then moving into a kiss that he found that he enjoyed. That, and his body language afterwards and during their next on-screen kiss, suggested that it's not a lack of desire on his part. If anything, it's Sheldon who may have the right to question Amy's physical reactions during their kisses.

 

Of course, I say this as a viewer. As two inexperienced individuals in the throes of their first romantic and physical relationship, I take your point that Sheldon and Amy may miss/misinterpret all sorts of signals.

 

But I confess that I would have preferred (and found it more consistent) to have an Amy who got cold feet at the rapid acceleration of either romantic or physical intimacy. 

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Here is the thing, though: consider the circumstances of the first SiK. That wasn't Sheldon being backed into a corner and standing still while Amy kissed him. It wasn't Sheldon saying 'Oh, fine, if that's what you want'.It was Sheldon lashing out in anger, but then moving into a kiss that he found that he enjoyed. That, and his body language afterwards and during their next on-screen kiss, suggested that it's not a lack of desire on his part. If anything, it's Sheldon who may have the right to question Amy's physical reactions during their kisses.

 

Of course, I say this as a viewer. As two inexperienced individuals in the throes of their first romantic and physical relationship, I take your point that Sheldon and Amy may miss/misinterpret all sorts of signals.

 

But I confess that I would have preferred (and found it more consistent) to have an Amy who got cold feet at the rapid acceleration of either romantic or physical intimacy. 

 

Yeah, I was actually just thinking... on the tail of what Caffeine was saying as well about Amy reading Sheldon's body language. She's really awful at reading body language. It's like, Sheldon's actions/body are clearly saying "Come on, let's make out some more, I want you." But his words are like "How about that Flash?". And she's all about the words and doesn't get the subtlety of the body language at all. I mean, it's something that's pretty common with Amy (last year's finale where she was just loitering around Lenny is another example that springs to mind, or Bert), so I do feel for her. Combine that with the inexperience, and it's a recipe for disaster.

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Sheldon’s talking about inane crap while kissing is something we’ve seen more than once (and we don’t see many kisses). A strategy to keep himself from getting too carried away? 

 

I like the idea of Sheldon needing to prove himself to Amy next season. She held up their relationship on her own for a long time, it’ll be fun to watch Sheldon step it up. Also, Sheldon trying to actively pursue a woman sounds like it has great comedy potential. 

 

Thanks for the reports guys!

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I'm excited!

 

I knew Sheldon and Amy would probably have to break up or go through "break" period before Sheldon realized he needed to freaking DO SOMETHING

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I wrote this in the season 8 discussion because I wanted to add about the other storyline with Lenny but I will bring my ideas about Shamy to this board as well.

I have had a couple of hours to digest this episode. I may be repeating things but I have to get my thoughts off my chest and I haven't read every comment on this board yet.

Thanks to Michy who wrote the taping report.

 

Here are my thoughts.

I am not at all surprised by Amy I just think the timing sucks. I have given some thought to all the things she has gone through with him and I understand her point of view. But again the timing is ridiculous. However that being said I was going through the wonderful things Shamy has gone through and then I think about the things that Sheldon has said or done after declaring his love for her.

 

#1: Bringing up past transgressions(ie the not pressing record in Champagne....I don't think it is a big deal but the writers did)

#2: Wanting to ruin her Christmas by buying her a gift. He wanted to make her feel small and worthless(I hated that line) Though she never heard that line he still tried to make her feel guilty about getting her a gift.

#3 Sold her out to Penny when he was mad about Kripke.

#4 Told Penny his birthday and not Amy(although I don't buy it)

#5 Signed up to go to Mars without telling her(although again resolved at end)

 

There may be more but those are just a few. I think Amy just needs time to sort out how she feels about all his quirks and him talking about the Flash during a make out session may just have been a tip of the iceberg for her. Although she has been able to handle them for 5 years.....I think they will be fine.

 

My prediction is this Amy will go to Bernadette because Penny is dealing with her own issues and then Bernadette will make her see that she is being silly because all the guys have their quirks but it doesn't make the girls love them any less. Amy will go over to Sheldon's and he will propose right away to show how much he wants her in his life......

 

This is how I will live my summer thinking I may even write a fanfiction to reflect these feelings.

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My take is Amy being patient has to do with their growth both physical & emotional.  She feels she is in it 100% and he is not (hence his mind being somewhere else).  She is tired of pushing to make things happen (and while he has grown this season, the ILY/Mars/Fort all happened because AMY brought them out).  She said first there was something she wanted to tell him, she was the one who said she wants to plan a future with him, she suggested the sleepover....

 

And while yes, his body was saying more/more/desire....Amy wants his heart to be in it.  The fact that he was almost "going through the motions" while thinking of the Flash would deflate any girls feelings of themselves. 

 

The fact that she says physically & emotionally proves to me its not all about intimacy.  Its clear there is a lack of communication.  She feels he isn't ready for any further steps.....but she has been voicing her opinions more this season which is why her "take some time" is actually more IC to me than if it would have happened in season 6 or 7. 

 

I do agree that, on all fronts, the one thing I wanted to see in this finale was Sheldon finally being proactive, instead of just reactive. To me, the season as a whole as been incredibly satisfying but I do felt that it needed to build up towards Sheldon *wanting* rather than going along with stuff. That's why when I first read the press release I was thinking it would essentially be about all that coming to a head and Sheldon making his mind up about wanting to move forward, both physically and emotionally. And, I have to say, I don't think that expectation has not been met by this episode because between the body language during the makeout and the ring, there's a lot to go on there to show that Sheldon is doing some stuff of his own without prompting. So I don't disagree that Amy has been driving this relationship for years now, while Sheldon is just sitting in the passenger seat.

 

However, I also think that we forget that Amy has brought cards to the table that weren't originally there when she agreed to be his girlfriend. "With the understanding that nothing changes, physical or otherwise." Obviously, I believe that they were both fooling themselves if they thought "nothing changes" when one starts a relationship. But I do see where Sheldon is coming from too, that Amy started demanding a lot of things he was not necessarily interested in (romance, for once), when that was not what they had agreed upon. In that sense, Sheldon has been putting his weight into the relationship too, although it might appear less obvious precisely because his "weight" comes in the form of "going along with it" rather than "wanting". 

 

One thing I disagree with though, is that there's lack of communication. I think that, for the most part, when they hit a problem, they talk it out and work it out, like Jim and Mayim said many a time. That's their strong suit. I think the lack of communication is very specific to intimacy. Amy is not afraid to ask for romance, or to ask about their future, or to ask to be respected at work, but she's terrified of asking "Are you attracted to me"? And I do see what Footballgirl was saying, that all the comments, from Bernadette in particular, really don't help her in that arena. And I think that's something the audience as a whole has been wondering about for a long time. That's why I feel like this is totally a plot device to finally take that cat out of the bag. And, if so, about time, I say. 

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I do enjoy the idea of Amy going to Bernadette for advice BUT her approach with Howard wouldn't work so much with Sheldon.  On this one, I'd like to see Penny step up a bit more and be a mutual friend to both (not more towards Sheldon)

 

I'm interested to see how this will affect him more than her honestly.  He is now the deflated one.  He NEVER expected this, always thought she would 100% be there, but he was wrong, and he needed to know this in order to really really appreciate her!!

 

To Koops point, never before has communication been an issue which I agree with, but here it is.  She sees him not ready to move on (because he is still a child thinking about super heroes in a heat of the moment situation)....but behind the scenes he has a ring (which also means he is prepared for everything a marriage would entail including full on intimacy)....

 

And of course their relationship has changed, but both parties seem ok with the changes, its just now that the grown-up stuff is out there big time (sex/marriage/babies/who knows) its no longer "you ruined a movie, I'm upset, I'm sorry".....its bigger than that

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I know that this is off topic slightly. When I first read the synopsis of the finale, I was right and truly pissed off with the writers. Not the fact that Amy wanted a step back, but the actual timing of this in relation to all that has gone on before.

However I have had some time to think about this now, and I wonder if the writers were being considerate to Mayim's current circumstances. Due to her sad personal loss, she has been unavailable for table readings and rehearsals (though I may be wrong) till Monday. Also, though a consummate professional, I think it would have been harsh to expect her to be anything but restrained at present.

I know that there could have been other options, but they chose this, so taking that into account, I am hoping that this will be a 'to be continued' type episode and that the follow up will be awesome.

For me the cat is alive, but has taken a nap.

I was thinking the same thing! Is it August yet, I need answers

I do enjoy the idea of Amy going to Bernadette for advice BUT her approach with Howard wouldn't work so much with Sheldon. On this one, I'd like to see Penny step up a bit more and be a mutual friend to both (not more towards Sheldon)

I'm interested to see how this will affect him more than her honestly. He is now the deflated one. He NEVER expected this, always thought she would 100% be there, but he was wrong, and he needed to know this in order to really really appreciate her!!

To Koops point, never before has communication been an issue which I agree with, but here it is. She sees him not ready to move on (because he is still a child thinking about super heroes in a heat of the moment situation)....but behind the scenes he has a ring (which also means he is prepared for everything a marriage would entail including full on intimacy)....

And of course their relationship has changed, but both parties seem ok with the changes, its just now that the grown-up stuff is out there big time (sex/marriage/babies/who knows) its no longer "you ruined a movie, I'm upset, I'm sorry".....its bigger than that

Communication has always been where they were head and shoulders above the rest of the couples. This is there first little hiccup on that front. I think once Sheldon starts his campaign to regain his lady (this I know will happen and I am so looking forward to it) that they will talk out what went wrong. They both need to be honest with each other on the I intmacy front, it is the one thing they never discuss. Edited by boys3allc
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After reading the report, I understand a little more. I thought Sheldon would like to watch Flash right now with her (I supposed it aired at this time).

But that he is thinking "should I watch this show?" while kissing her, ok I understand she felt insulted, he seems to not get excited by/think at her by kissing her.

But now she knows he loves her, yet it seems she feels again insecure.

And I understand she felt upset and can reproach he is not thinking about them here.

But to reproach him they go too slow in their relationship is another thing ! And in paradox with when she said she understands him and there was no pressure.

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