Ship Zone [Spoilers]Shamy S8 Thread

[koops]

I've read everyone's comments and some of you have touched on how I feel about all of this, but I want you to try this on for size.

We get a small glimpse of the lives of these characters. Things that happen behind the scenes comprise the majority of their lives. We just get the highlights.

We know that Amy and Sheldon kiss off screen. Leonard mentioned it, and that he didn't find it particularly romantic.

Of the three kisses we have witnessed, one was brought on by anger, one was interrupted by Sheldon talking about PS4 controllers and a make out session was shut down because of The Flash tv show.

If 100% of the kisses that we got to see were interrupted or generated in a manner other than by desire to do so, how many of the other kisses do you think went smoothly?

Amy has been with this man for 5 years, which is a huge investment in time and emotional energy. She has put up with a large amount of malarkey, everything from being told that her lips look too slippery to being mocked about spending their sunset years together.

Even if you are an emotional door mat, this wears on you. Over time it has a cumulative effect wherein when another instance occurs, it adds another load to your already heavy burden.

But, you say, Madamocho, season 8 was the year of the Shamy! Sheldon had improved, Amy can't complain. From first hand experience I can say that being repeatedly let down by someone whom you love is trying. But when you get that glimmer of hope, that moment when things get better for a little while and you hope against hope that things have changed, just to be disappointed yet again. I find that is far worse. Your delicate ego that has been bombarded with low expectations blossoms with this new hope just to be crushed again, and without that cautious shield you had put around it to protect yourself.

It is hard enough to be in a relationship where both parties are fully invested and of the like mind. It is an uphill battle when you are not on the same page and and dragging your partner with one hand and feeling they don't want the same things you do.

So picture your own life. You're getting hot and heavy with your loved one and they ask if you should change the drapes, or what they want for dinner or why the color blue is their favorite color. Now picture that happening half the time you are getting frisky. Or that they found a loophole to get out of not being grumpy on a date by holding up a picture of them smiling. A rule they made by the way.

So Amy, after getting this behavior for 5 years, decided to stop and take a good hard look at this relationship. Was she willing to have any type of romance he was willing to give her interrupted by off topic things? Was she willing to take Sheldon as he is, quirks and all at the detriment of her own ego and self esteem? She hasn't said no yet. She loves him, but does she love herself more? Does she want this to be what she deals with forever? Because even though she thinks that in fan fiction changing another person's personality is called good writing, in real life the only one who can change their personality is themselves.

Now I'm getting off my soapbox.

In other news that engagement ring was ginormus if you like sparkly things like that. And as it was the same day as the day after the fight, he had it for a while in my opinion.

 

I am sorry, but Amy is not just a regular girl in a relationship with “weirdo” Sheldon, who has been sticking by him for 5 years, putting up with his quirks, in the hope that he will finally give her the romance she craves! That is not the story nor it was ever the point of their story. Their story has always been about two quirky, outcasted individuals finding each other in a world that did not understand them and building a life together. Yes, they have their differences and their struggles, or the story wouldn’t be interesting, but the bottom line is that the foundations of their relationship are based on that camaraderie, understanding and similarity. This is particularly evident in S4, 5 and 8. To say that Amy has spent 5 off-screen years being miserable and has only now reached the breaking point is ridiculous. That’s not the show I’ve been watching, and especially not this season. And to claim that everything that goes on off-screen has been miserable and wearing her down and that’s why she broke despite a whole year of this (http://hdbttp.tumblr.com/post/116927591286/shamy-sheldons-character-development-on-season) is like giving the writers a free pass to not have to explain themselves and their writing choices in a way that makes sense because we will just fill in the blanks for them, off screen, with whatever works with whatever crazy cliffhanger they decide to pull. Bill said whatever is not mentioned in the episodes is just "regular days where everything goes fine". I can only see what the characters show me and hear what the characters tell me and the writers tell me. If the writers wanted me to get the feeling something was brewing with Amy, they should have done a better job with the buildup. 

 

And also, if that were even the case, what does that even mean for the future?!? How is this meant to make the situation any better??? If Amy were truly so different and disconnected from Sheldon that she’s been perpetually worn down for 5 years, and was only holding on with the hope something was going to give/change (and not that it didn’t anyway!), and now has decided she can’t take it anymore, then that is IT. Shamy are DONE. Finished. Things are not going to get better if this is truly what you believe went on behind the scenes and if there’s such a deep disconnect between these two people, because people do not change *that* much. And if Amy got into this relationship in the hope she was going to turn Sheldon into a different man, and it’s only a matter of time, then she is the one who’s an idiot. Because that’s not going to happen. Sheldon will never stop saying insensitive things, or get distracted, or be occasionally clueless. 

 

I really do not think that’s the case though. I think Amy and Sheldon still have that deep level of understanding and similarity that makes them perfect for each other. I think they still have some issues to iron out, mostly due to the fact that Amy got out of her shell and embraced life a lot faster than Sheldon does, and that they both struggle with interactions and with these first experiences as a couple. And I think that this is more of a big misunderstanding between the two than anything more dramatic (that, and the writers really wanted a cliffhanger). And Steve Molaro himself has made it repeatedly clear that Sheldon and Amy have their own brand of happiness, and that he has never written them as unhappy or miserable in their relationship. Yes, Amy has had her shares of low blows from Sheldon, and I’ve been up in arms defending her more than once. But she also reads him like a book and handles him so well because she gets him. That doesn’t mean she’s not going to have her moments of frustration or insecurity, but, ultimately, she gets him. And Sheldon has also made immense strides of progress and has become so much more open, affectionate and appreciative. Amy has NOBODY to love her for who she was, ever, in her life. Sheldon not only loves her the way she is, and would never ever ask her to change (and even when she DID change, by coming out of her shell, he adjusted to her, rather than dumping her), but he has embraced his feelings for her in a way he has never done for anyone else and even radically changed his opinion about things that he “never thought possible” in the past. 

 

I think right now they are both fragile and vulnerable, for different reasons. I do think that, while I see that Amy can be insecure in certain aspects of their relationship, in this particular instance, maybe because of the situation (I’m not saying Sheldon didn’t kill the mood) or what have you, she did overreact a little. And I think that while Sheldon wasn’t as wrong in this particular instance as he has been in other occasions and he has demonstrated how much he cares about her (by repeatedly trying to reach her and nagging Lenny about it) even if he doesn’t understand what he did wrong, it is his duty now to let her have the space she wants and to be there for her once the time come, so he can clear the doubts she has about him that hurt her still. All I see here are two clumsy, inexperienced people who are trying to find their footing, still. And some writers who really wanted their cliffhanger.

 

eta: It also just occurred to me, thinking back on Kazzie's report in chat. If Sheldon was so into the kiss as described, and he was talking all flirtatiously to Amy and smiling as he was going in for more, could it not be that they were going at it hot and heavy, they broke apart for air, Amy said her line about the anniversary, there was a pause and Sheldon, not knowing what to say, just blurted out the first thing that came to his (overactive) mind because he's just a clumsy goof who's just getting the grasp of making out with a woman and has no idea what to say? Again, I don't blame Amy for being disappointed, but I also think that his body language and his words are not completely irreconcilable, given who he is and what his experience is in the matter.

Edited April 22, 2015 by koops

[Susana Alcira]

You are a girl deeply in love.

You are having a big hot make out session with the man you love. You know he is weird, geek, and unique, but you know he loves you too.( Additionally it is your 5th anniversary)

You feel his lips on your lips, his mouth on your face and his hands on your body. You both are almost reaching the 2nd base

You both take a brief breath and look at each other eyes You see nothing but love in them!

Suddenly, the man you love( the one who loves you too) says from nothing:"Do you think I should start watching the FLASH show?"

Question: HOW DO YOU FEEL?

 

 

I¨m with Amy 100%!

[Miss Starfire]

She did not break up with him. She just wanted a little break. There a difference. i think everyone need to chillax

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Unless they pull a page out of Ross and Rachel's book: "WE WERE ON A BREAK!!!"

[nickelette424]

Koops, I actually deleted a part of my last post before I posted it that echoes done if what your saying, because I didn't want to get into it really, but you let the cat out of the bag. I posted if Amy really has been so miserable for 5 years waiting on Sheldon to be sometime else, at a certain point it becomes her problem and not Sheldon's. That is get hang up and if she cannot deal she needs to let the poor guy go because he had been out through the wringer for her, and only for her. If that's not good enough, that's, her issue to deal with. No Sheldon.

[kerrycec03]

Unless they pull a page out of Ross and Rachel's book: "WE WERE ON A BREAK!!!"

as a die hard Friends fan I would HATE this and it would beyond the phrase "selling out"...

 

I'm confident we don't have anything like that to worry about nor either of them getting fun elsewhere.

 

This re-evaluation might be rough for 3 episodes, if that, but in the big picture its needed!!!

[MTBigBangTheoryFan]

Unless they pull a page out of Ross and Rachel's book: "WE WERE ON A BREAK!!!"

 

lol 

 

Go to any Friends Board and you find many threads where there a big fight over whether  Ross and Rachel were 'broken' up or if they were on a  'Break'. It get exhausting sometimes reading countless posts and pages  of people saying that same thing over and over again.  

 

Advice never write on Friends IMDB Board that They were Broken Up or took a break. They are  passionate folk about tat topic. 

 

I am with Rachel on this. Much like Amy she told Ross she wanted to take a break. she did not say let break up. Amy didn't either.  Hopefully Sheldon is smarter then Ross and realizes this.  

 

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Edited April 22, 2015 by MTBigBangTheoryFan

[nickelette424]

You are a girl deeply in love.

You are having a big hot make out session with the man you love. You know he is weird, geek, and unique, but you know he loves you too.( Additionally it is your 5th anniversary)

You feel his lips on your lips, his mouth on your face and his hands on your body. You both are almost reaching the 2nd base

You both take a brief breath and look at each other eyes You see nothing but love in them!

Suddenly, the man you love( the one who loves you too) says from nothing:"Do you think I should start watching the FLASH show?"

Question: HOW DO YOU FEEL?

I¨m with Amy 100%!

You are a guy very much in love.

you are so in love that you have spent the last 5 years questioning how you approach life and the world around you. For her.

You are making it and kissing and feeling the passion between the two of you.

You both stop to take a breath.

You make a random out of the blue comment, yet it well within your character.

You go to resume your moment of passion, but she rebuff you.

You have basically been told the progress you have made is not enough.

You spend the next day trying to get in touch with her, trying to understand. But you get nothing.

Finally you make contact and to be told that the relationship you have put so much into and worked hard for needs to be put on the back burner to re evaluate.

All the while you were ready to fully commit to her.

Tell me. How would you feel?

I can understand Amy a bit, but I am on Sheldon's side.

[kerrycec03]

lol 

 

Go to any Friends Board and you find many threads where there a big fight over whether  Ross and Rachel were 'broken' up or if they were on a  'Break'. It get exhausting sometimes reading countless posts and pages  of people saying that same thing over and over again.  

 

Advice never write on Friends IMDB Board that They were Broken Up or took a break. They are  passionate folk about tat topic. 

 

I am with Rachel on this. Much like Amy she told Ross she wanted to take a break. she did not say let break up. Amy didn't either.  Hopefully Sheldon is smarter then Ross and realizes this.  

 

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Ok...I too am a member of a Friends chat arena and I disagree...Rachel exact words were "a break from us"... Amy did NOT say that....she said she wanted to re-evaluate their relationship....totally different

 

and pretty sure Sheldon isn't going to go out and get drunk AND HOOK UP WITH SOMEBODY!!

[MTBigBangTheoryFan]

Ok...I too am a member of a Friends chat arena and I disagree...Rachel exact words were "a break from us"... Amy did NOT say that....she said she wanted to re-evaluate their relationship....totally different

 

and pretty sure Sheldon isn't going to go out and get drunk AND HOOK UP WITH SOMEBODY!!

 

Thank I remember now, I see the difference there. From remembering that episode just now it did seem like she meat re-examine too. But I see the difference. She actually meant a a break up. And remembering it the next morning she told Monica they broke up. 

 

I am going to have to go rematch the episode I think. 

 

I am sure Sheldon not going too. 

[phantagrae]

I don't think either of them is looking for greener grass.

 

Amy might be trying to figure out if Sheldon is truly the boyfriend she wants or something along those lines, if it's worth her energy to keep trying to help him understand what it means to be a boyfriend or whatever.

 

But I don't think she's saying that she'd rather date someone else.  Not yet, anyway.  I think that she's not as naive about having a boyfriend as she was when they first started dating--he was her first boyfriend.  But now she's perhaps becoming more aware of whether or not he's truly trying to meet her needs (the way she did in that one Valentines episode where she gave up her idea of a romantic evening in order to make him happy.)

 

And I certainly don't think that Sheldon is looking for anyone else.  While he may be dense about what it means to be a boyfriend, what it means to think about someone else other than yourself (most of the time), I don't think he's looking for anything or anyone better.

 

I wonder if the Shenny's are seeing the L/P issue and this issue as that one chance for Sheldon and Penny to hook up!! LOL!

 

I think that it may be a matter of Amy having to maybe just sit him down and just say what it is that she thinks he needs to do differently or whatever.  I don't know yet.

[teletalk101]

I'm starting to think that perhaps Sheldon had the ring prior to the finale, not necessarily to propose on their fifth anniversary, though. The writers may use this break of sorts to show that by having Sheldon propose as part of trying to fix things with Amy, and she'll take it the wrong way.

 

For instance, Sheldon will propose and Amy will tell him that he can't just go out and buy a ring in the hopes it will fix things. Sheldon will look a little confused, but will sincerely explain he bought the ring weeks/months ago (depending on where season 9 picks up from). Amy would see he has actually grown and wants to be with her, that he's not just going along with what everyone else says he should be doing. This was his choice.

 

In the end, however the writers choose to play out their reconciliation, Amy just needs to know that Sheldon does desire her. She needs to hear it from him because, as it's been pointed out, she hasn't had much experience with men before and has no real idea about reading sexual body language, particularly with someone who isn't the generic character portrayed in romance novels.  

 

Also, in terms of the "all I can get out of you is a distracted makeout session" part - I don't think we should be getting angry at Amy about that. I think what she meant is the Flash moves very fast, but Sheldon doesn't. For most couples, making out is something that happens in the first few months of a relationship - not five years into it. I think she was talking purely about physical intimacy, as most couples would have had sex and be on the way to marriage by this time. The comment wasn't a reflection on the other emotional changes they've made. Amy knows they're significant, but Sheldon does have a habit of making a big change and then doing something that knocks them back a peg. The incident on the couch was probably the straw that broke the camels back because he showed her that even in their most intimate moment, she's still not his priority. 

Edited April 22, 2015 by teletalk101

[Tomasina]

Am I the only one who thinks sheldon's been getting secret therapy to get better control of his issues in order to get closer to amy?

He's been touching Everybody more, not just her; He could focus enough to learn how to drive this year; He hasn't freaked out as much at small changes...

[vonmar]

Am I the only one who thinks sheldon's been getting secret therapy to get better control of his issues in order to get closer to amy?

He's been touching Everybody more, not just her; He could focus enough to learn how to drive this year; He hasn't freaked out as much at small changes...

 

There is a fanfic about this very concept....can't recall the name right now....

[notchinc]

There is a fanfic about this very concept....can't recall the name right now....

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10929454/1/Treading-Water

[vonmar]

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10929454/1/Treading-Water

 

Yes...thank you....it was driving me crazy....

[notchinc]

Yes...thank you....it was driving me crazy....

You're too special to me to keep you cra cra.

[Maddie]

I think more than anything it was just a misunderstanding. Neither of them are wrong. She thinks he's not as interested in intimacy even though he totally is. She doesn't realize he has a freaking diamond ring. He doesn't know she struggles because she's always put him first.

I get people are a little confused with the timing. But the episode really is awesome.

[sarah7]

Do you know what I find weirdest about this scenary? That I can't really wrap my head around the fact Sheldon was being able to think about something else during such a heated (an alien for him) situation! Before last night, I would have bet big sums of money that such monumental step in their relationship and his life would have affected him waaaaaaay more than it seemed to.

 

As I see it, I don't think we must be taking sides, as Maddie just said, they both have rights and wrongs in their doings. I totally agree with Susana's post and I understand Nickelette's points, thing is, both Amy and Sheldon had put a lot in the relationship, yes, Sheldon had broken his self-imposed life plan in order to be with Amy, and Amy had sacrificed her needs of romance and physical intimacy in order to give him time to get used to the idea and get out of his shell at his own pace, and both had done it willingly and out of love.

 

Of course, after the I love you's and all the nice things they had shared as lately, Amy's reaction may seem an overreaction, but I can't blame her after so much "underreaction" she had been showing for most part of their relationship!

 

At this point, we (and Amy) know he loves her, we know he feels attracted to her, we know he enjoys kissing her, perfect!, Now, I think the next big step for them (and specifically for him) is to start thinking about her. Because even after all these nice things happening between them we have witnessed in this season, it's still all about Sheldon, what Sheldon wants, what Sheldon feels, the pace Sheldon needs, the time Sheldon needs, the effort Sheldon is doing, the way Sheldon like things done, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc. We are saying what a big sacrifice for Sheldon is to do what he is doing for Amy, but truth is, he's doing it for himself as well. Yes, now he is kissing her passionately, but, as far we know, he enjoys it very much as well, so, what kind of sacrifice is that? Because yes, he is going against his preconceived idea of an ideal life "for her", but also, and mainly, for himself, he wants her and enjoys her being in his life, very much, so he is acting in consecuence for himself, to please himself.

 

Don't get me wrong, I think it's great! of course I think it's great he enjoys kissing her, and I don't want him to go and do things against his will because of her, and I know his self-centeredness is an essential part of his personality, but in order to have a better and fairer relationship in a future, he needs to take a little time to think: "What would Amy like/want/think?" before doing or saying things. He takes her for granted most of the time and that can be healthy for any relationship.

 

Of course it didn't happened this way because they wanted DRAMA for the finale, but even after his misstep, after she asked him "is that all you are thinking about?", he had said "and also that your lips are very soft", nothing like this would have happened. We can't say Sheldon would never think about her lips because he already thought about them after his first initiated kiss, we can't either say "he has no idea she wants to hear him says nice things", because she has been clear about that and they had been together for five years, we can always excuse him by saying he is still trying to hide his feelings to her, well firstly, we don't know for sure, and secondly, it's about time for him to leave that little game behind, he has proclaimed her his love and he is kissing her passionately and has his hands all over her, will it kill him to say: "I enjoy so much kissing you"?

 

The Super-Oblivious Sheldon card is not of much use anymore, Amy is a very important person in his life it's time for him to make perhaps the biggest effort to be in a relationship and make little space for her in his brain, wether he is planning to start a life in Mars or thinking about what she would like to hear after a kiss.

[xjax]

Really want thank you all for such TR  and the on going discussing here..so many good points raised that I think there is no more I could add ... Stayed awake up to 3 am yesterday (went to work like a zombie) but this forum makes my day so much happier...

 

Can´t wait to season 9...

[Susana Alcira]

I think we´ll have S 9 first taping day on August 11th

[MTBigBangTheoryFan]

I think we´ll have S 9 first taping day on August 11th

I am going with August 4th. 

[Susana Alcira]

No, because Jim´s last day on Broadway is August 2nd.

So, first Table will be on Aug 5th!

[counterfactuals]

Thanks to everyone who went to the taping and shared the information here! You are the best! I really appreciate your efforts (: 

 

I tried to be spoiler-free for the last three episodes (and managed for the last two), but people were going CARAZY about the finale on twitter, so... here I am hahaha

 

I loved the taping report and the cliffhanger, but I think it's better to share my thoughts after we see on television.

 

For now, I just can't stop thinking how adorable and sexy Jim and Mayim must look right in the middle of Shamy makeout <3 

[musicsnob1971]

It would be really funny if Sheldon took Amy to court over the Relationship Agreement. At least to me.

[LeaGold]

To the person who mentioned "An Affair to Remember" in their fanfic. Many props to that.

Edited April 23, 2015 by LeaGold