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My take is Amy being patient has to do with their growth both physical & emotional. She feels she is in it 100% and he is not (hence his mind being somewhere else). She is tired of pushing to make things happen (and while he has grown this season, the ILY/Mars/Fort all happened because AMY brought them out). She said first there was something she wanted to tell him, she was the one who said she wants to plan a future with him, she suggested the sleepover....

Girl finally gets a proper makeout and even that he ruins with his big mouth (but hey...its Sheldon so that was IC). Should she know her man, yes. Does she know him as well as she thinks NO....

And while yes, his body was saying more/more/desire....Amy wants his heart to be in it. The fact that he was almost "going through the motions" while thinking of the Flash would deflate any girls feelings of themselves. And we kinda know without knowing that Amy doesn't always feel desired. But this was just the straw that broke the camels back. I think the situation just made her feel like "enough, its 5 years and still no real movement....I am still a 30 something year old virgin, living alone, no definite future of kids, seeing all my friends entering their final steps....when will it happen for me". This again is IC with Amy...we've all said she is a bit of a dreamer when it comes to romance. And while she truly loves Sheldon its probably frustrating at the same time (especially thinking that NONE of that is ever happening for her). I mean goddammit, he finally gets handsy and is thinking about The Flash!!!

The fact that she says physically & emotionally proves to me its not all about intimacy. Its clear there is a lack of communication. She feels he isn't ready for any further steps.....but she has been voicing her opinions more this season which is why her "take some time" is actually more IC to me than if it would have happened in season 6 or 7.

Like I said...when she finds out he has the ring (which I think she will) she will have a little egg on her face. But on the flip side I want the role reversal, I want him showing she is #1.

Having a vunerable Sheldon is good in the long run.

yes thank you, I don't get that Whole Team sheldon thing. I think this Episode should Happen exactly the way it did.

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Steve talks about the Season Finale cliffhangers:

 

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/big-bang-theory-season-8-790946

 

I posted this in the Season 8 main thread, but wanted to talk about Shamy specifically here. It's interesting what he says about Amy breaking Sheldon. I wonder if this means Sheldon will completely fall apart in the first couple of episodes of Season 9. Like 25 cats will seem reasonable compared to where he goes this time, lol.

 

And it sounds like they at least have an idea of where they want to go with Shamy in Season 9, so that makes me think this whole let's step back thing was done by the writers with a specific purpose in mind. I just hope that purpose is to get Sheldon and Amy to address their intimacy issues and move forward together towards coitus, at a pace they're both happy with (and that doesn't take more than 3 or 4 episodes).

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Steve talks about the Season Finale cliffhangers:

 

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/big-bang-theory-season-8-790946

 

I posted this in the Season 8 main thread, but wanted to talk about Shamy specifically here. It's interesting what he says about Amy breaking Sheldon. I wonder if this means Sheldon will completely fall apart in the first couple of episodes of Season 9. Like 25 cats will seem reasonable compared to where he goes this time, lol.

 

And it sounds like they at least have an idea of where they want to go with Shamy in Season 9, so that makes me think this whole let's step back thing was done by the writers with a specific purpose in mind. I just hope that purpose is to get Sheldon and Amy to address their intimacy issues and move forward together towards coitus, at a pace they're both happy with (and that doesn't take more than 3 or 4 episodes).

 

I saw that. I don't know that I'm too enthusiastic about the wording there, tbh. But then again, it's Molaro, a lot of his interviews have left me raging in the past. I do wonder, like you say, whether the "break him" refers specifically to Sheldon's state of mind following this episode or in general. If it's the former, it's fine. It's kind of what I expect to be honest. I think Sheldon will be, likely, a mess when the season opens. And it's good to hear they already know how they want to start off S9.

 

But if it's a general sentence, I find it actually a bit disturbing. I know that the writers plan a happy ending for them, and are going to get them back together, but I find there's something wrong in approaching a relationship with the mindset that one of the partners is pushing the other far beyond their limit to the point that they may break them. And, frankly, I never thought this was the case at all, watching the show, especially this year. Sheldon always seems so happy and content with her. I just guess the wording of those answer make it sound so much like it's the matter of nothing ever being enough for Amy, instead of her having insecurities about where his mind/hormones are at, and I don't know that I like that. I don't want to see Amy "wear him down" and start getting jokes like the ones they write with Lenny about Leonard wearing Penny down to the point she decided to marry him. And I don't want to see Amy break him. I don't want Amy to be the bad guy. More importantly, I don't want Amy to be the bad guy who is seen as the good guy because she ends up getting everything she wants through pushing.  I just don't understand why they can't change the formula a little. 

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yes thank you, I don't get that Whole Team sheldon thing. I think this Episode should Happen exactly the way it did.

 

 

Totally agree with you.

 

Why should we be picking teams anyway? The situation is sad and difficult for both ot them. Both are right and both are wrong at the same time, that's the beauty of it!

 

From "Team Sheldon" (and believe me, I'm not using the term in a confrontational way) I've read very good character analysis of Sheldon, as it usual in Shamy fandom, wich is great, what I don't understand is your animosity towards Amy at this moment, I get that, unlike her, you are focusing in Sheldon's good traits, but i think you are also lacking understanding for her, she loves him very much (she says herself), but, essentialy, she is tired ("to be your girlfriend is exhausting", honestly, what's the lie there? as rewarding as Sheldon's reactions could be, it has to be exhausting to be always the one asking and pushing). Kerrycec03 said it just right in her post, she is tired of being the one who is always pushing. Why should she be always the one in the charge of "training" Sheldon into becoming a good boyfriend? Think back and you will see that all this "progress" Sheldon has made towards becoming a good boyfriend is because of Amy's pushing. If it were for him, they would still be in their Skyping stage!

 

And yes, of course Amy is no saint, now for all those who are now recalling her manipulative and pushy ways, had you forgotten what had taken her to those extremes? Yep, Sheldon's stubborness. A single example? Happy-kissy-Sheldon wouldn't have existed without her manipulative and naggy behaviour during their train trip, because he would still be reluctant to take the step and kiss her out of his own volition.

 

I honestly think it's unfair to bring up Amy's negative traits now in oder to elevate Sheldon, when almost all those had surfaced because of him. We could say that while being her boyfriend makes Sheldon a better man in many aspects, her relationship with him takes out the worst of her. And that's because he puts so little of his part.

 

Because whereas he is usually responds well to her pushing, there's almost zero initiative from him, when was the last time we had a plot about him trying to do something to make her happy? The closest thing we have is the Christmas episode, when he was buying a gift for her, and even then there was a totally ill intention behind his actions. Why is so difficult for him to wake up one day and think: "I really love Amy, and I want to do something that make her happy today", because he really wants to, not out of a contract obligation, to avoid her to get angry or as a consequence of her nagging or pushing. That's because in his list of priorities he's still the one and only, and while I know that's never going to really change, he will never put somebody else above him, he needs to short just a little the distance between the high top in which he puts himself and the rest of the world, specially between him and that person who is so important for him at this moment.

 

In short, Sheldon needs to start being proactive instead of reactive, because Amy is tired of being always the one pushing the car.

 

And I think it's important to put ourselves in Amy's shoes, after Sheldon's innocent flash-mistep she probably had "flashes" of them together in bed after their first coitus, and her asking "Wasn't it great?" and him replying: "Indeed. Now, do you know what would have made Star Wars VII even greater?"

 

 

"But I do think there's some room to play with some of the not-so-crucial stuff to teach Amy that romance movies/novels are not all that cracked up to be"

 

Koops, I'm curious, I've read a couple times something along this lines in your posts as lately, why do you think Amy needs so bad to stop thinking in romance novels? altough we have been told she dreams a bit about them, I don't see her so focused in wanting her relationship to be like that. Even in her fanfiction she wrote a quite realistic Sheldon, as I see it, the main difference was that, unlike real Sheldon, her dream Sheldon was able to say "There's no future without you" without the need to be forced to do so.

 

At the end, I think that's all what Amy really wants a this point. But that's just my opinion, of course.

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OMG... 

 

 I GET IT!!!! I get why he decided to bring up the "flash" at that moment!!!!!! 

 

oh season 9 is going to be fantastic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

( i wrote a fan fic about it... just now... on paper... if I have time... I'll post it eventually) 

 

if the writers are going where i think they are going with this... there's going to be some funny stuff and also 'hot' stuff coming up in season 9.  :party:

of course they had to have some drama and i understand why. :)

 

 

(of course... i could also be delusional!!! :p

Could you explain this because I don't get it?
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Totally agree with you.

Why should we be picking teams anyway? The situation is sad and difficult for both ot them. Both are right and both are wrong at the same time, that's the beauty of it!

From "Team Sheldon" (and believe me, I'm not using the term in a confrontational way) I've read very good character analysis of Sheldon, as it usual in Shamy fandom, wich is great, what I don't understand is your animosity towards Amy at this moment, I get that, unlike her, you are focusing in Sheldon's good traits, but i think you are also lacking understanding for her, she loves him very much (she says herself), but, essentialy, she is tired ("to be your girlfriend is exhausting", honestly, what's the lie there? as rewarding as Sheldon's reactions could be, it has to be exhausting to be always the one asking and pushing). Kerrycec03 said it just right in her post, she is tired of being the one who is always pushing. Why should she be always the one in the charge of "training" Sheldon into becoming a good boyfriend? Think back and you will see that all this "progress" Sheldon has made towards becoming a good boyfriend is because of Amy's pushing. If it were for him, they would still be in their Skyping stage!

And yes, of course Amy is no saint, now for all those who are now recalling her manipulative and pushy ways, had you forgotten what had taken her to those extremes? Yep, Sheldon's stubborness. A single example? Happy-kissy-Sheldon wouldn't have existed without her manipulative and naggy behaviour during their train trip, because he would still be reluctant to take the step and kiss her out of his own volition.

I honestly think it's unfair to bring up Amy's negative traits now in oder to elevate Sheldon, when almost all those had surfaced because of him. We could say that while being her boyfriend makes Sheldon a better man in many aspects, her relationship with him takes out the worst of her. And that's because he puts so little of his part.

Because whereas he is usually responds well to her pushing, there's almost zero initiative from him, when was the last time we had a plot about him trying to do something to make her happy? The closest thing we have is the Christmas episode, when he was buying a gift for her, and even then there was a totally ill intention behind his actions. Why is so difficult for him to wake up one day and think: "I really love Amy, and I want to do something that make her happy today", because he really wants to, not out of a contract obligation, to avoid her to get angry or as a consequence of her nagging or pushing. That's because in his list of priorities he's still the one and only, and while I know that's never going to really change, he will never put somebody else above him, he needs to short just a little the distance between the high top in which he puts himself and the rest of the world, specially between him and that person who is so important for him at this moment.

In short, Sheldon needs to start being proactive instead of reactive, because Amy is tired of being always the one pushing the car.

And I think it's important to put ourselves in Amy's shoes, after Sheldon's innocent flash-mistep she probably had "flashes" of them together in bed after their first coitus, and her asking "Wasn't it great?" and him replying: "Indeed. Now, do you know what would have made Star Wars VII even greater?"

Thank you for putting into words what was in my mind since the moment I read the taping report for the season finale.

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Yes...lets remember, we all love them BOTH.  Are there moments one might make us mad or upset of course. And relationships are a roller coaster.  There would be no Shamy without Sheldon and his ways and Amy & her quirks.

 

They liked each other quirks & all....as do we......

 

They love each other now....so the only way to go is up in the longrun

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It's not really Amy's intention to break Sheldon. She doesn't have the slightest idea that Sheldon is actually thinking of lifetime commitment, given that he untimely dropped "The Flash" bomb during their (steamy) make out session. Amy's true intention is to step back, give herself time to think about what she really wants from the relationship, and about what she really feels for Sheldon, to clear her thoughts and emotions... and from there probably decide if (gulp!) she still wants to be with him or not.

 

What breaks me is the timing of everything in TBBT universe. Amy's already broken,and her request for a "break" is mistimed with Sheldon looking very much forward into commitment, which in turn will "break" Sheldon. Same as Leonard and Penny. Penny's giddy over eloping to Vegas is mistimed with Leonard feeling petty, guilty and dishonest.

 

The timing of these episodes though is phenomenal. From a Shamy lovey-dovey-mushy in The Fortification Implementation, then three episodes of no major Shamy events (with the exception of Mayim's father's death, RIP),we're left with some Shamy giddiness from their first sleepover. Shamy opening and closing Season 8's finale will certainly rattle and get the whole fandom talking about it during the hiatus. The Shamy break is a plot goldmine for Season 9 - how are they acting when they see each other at the hallways of Caltech, what is Amy doing during the break, what is Sheldon doing the break and the effect of the break on Sheldon, and the growth of Amy's and Sheldon's individuality that is not directly affected by each other.

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I have to agree.  I did not like the wording of that article.  Why does anybody ever have to break anybody?

 

And again here lies the frustration...this seems oddly timed given the strides Shamy have made this season.  I get the whole "here we are in a make out session...things are feeling great and I find out my BF is thinking about the Flash amongst other things" (a lil shortsighted on Amy's part to assume that she wasn't one of those things).  But overall Shamy has made huge monumental progress and now when things have been on-screen more balanced than ever Amy needs space? 

 

Space/time/breaking up/on a break (again still not loving the kinda sorta friends reference here with the Shamy) doesn't fit with the story that has been told this season. 

 

Yes, to go for the cliff hanger/drama (same with the Lenny), TPTB did it.  I just clung to the hope that Shamy would be a unique, quirky couple together learning to maneuver around each other given their limited romance experience.  Way back at the beginning, Amy only went on dates to appease her mother.  Sheldon thought romantic love was for hippies.

 

What could have made sense to me is if in this heavy make out session is Sheldon attempts another base and Amy freaks out. All along she thinks, we have been together for 5 years, writes fan fics about what physical intimacy might be like but when Sheldon goes for it...she freezes.  That story makes more sense to me than the story we were told. 

 

Again not all worried that TPTB have a happy ending in store for Shamy.  Just oddly timed, IMO!!

 

PS : I meant to say too that I agree though that Sheldon is probably blindsided because yeah in his mind things might be advancing at lightning speed.  This has to be a shock to him because from all signs Amy didn't appear to be flight risk (even if only to need space). 

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@sarah7 I will come to your comment to my posts in a minute, but first I want to address the rest.

 

First of all, there is no animosity towards Amy, I don't think. I can't speak for everyone of course, but I think people know very well I am a huge Amy fan, she’s my favorite character and she is the reason I started watching the show. And I don’t think anybody here despises her. I think the “animosity” is simply due to the fact that, particularly at the moment, a huge number of people are going “poor Amy” for not getting what she wants, and painting her as this martyr who somehow got stuck with this massive jerk that is Sheldon and is suffering due to the fact that he is not changing into who she/people want him to be. But, like I said, that’s not the case. Amy has tons of flaws and Sheldon has put his weight into this relationship too, and worked to keep her. While you think it’s unfair to bring up her flaws to elevate Sheldon (which it’s not what any of us, or at least me, is doing btw - I’m just trying to bring some balance into the picture, because I don't think either of them is perfect), I think it’s unfair to forget about her flaws in order to make it all about Sheldon’s shortcomings.

 

No, it’s not Amy’s job to train Sheldon to be a good boyfriend. It’s not ANYONE’s job to train someone to be the person they want them to be. One chooses their partner based on compatibility, they don’t just walk down the street, grab someone and model them to become their “ideal partner”. Amy got into this relationship with an entirely different mindset and entirely different expectations. One that was pretty much on the same wavelength as Sheldon. One where, heck, she *was* Sheldon. One where she thought Sheldon is not her “first boyfriend, he’s the best boyfriend”. And knowing fully well who Sheldon was and what he wanted. Then, particularly from 6x01, the writers ate some weird cookies and she started desiring more conventional “romance” and intimacy and demanding that from Sheldon. That’s when this whole push-and-pull dynamic started. Yes, Sheldon would have probably been content in his status quo, doing Skype calls. Who knows. But, at the time, so was Amy. That’s what brought them together in the first place: disdain for romance and the fact that “coitus was off the table”. When Amy, sat between “normal”, conventional, romantic Stuart and quirky, stubborn, unromantic Sheldon, made a choice and chose the latter. Then Amy moved the goal posts, after the fact, and now people are ganging up on Sheldon for not going fast enough or not meeting all the needs she didn’t have when they got together in the first place and agreed to be a couple. 

 

I’m not saying that needs and desires can’t change with time. I think Sheldon’s have too. He is discovering them as he goes along, albeit at a slower pace than Amy (“A lot of things I never thought possible, now seem possible"). I don’t think their desires are dramatically different, I think it’s more the fact that, while they started from the same point, Amy gets there and discovers them faster than Sheldon. But I see some looking at it as “Amy wants X and Y, Sheldon doesn’t give it to her, therefore Sheldon is a jerk. But I ship them”. And that’s what puzzles me the most about the approach some take to Shamy in this situation: if you think that Sheldon would have never been the boyfriend he is without Amy’s nagging and manipulative behavior, that he would have been content by himself, that Sheldon brings out the worst of Amy and that Amy wouldn’t need to be manipulative and nagging with another guy, then I ask myself. Why do you ship them? Why don’t you just wish for them to break up and go their separate ways and be happy with all their needs being met by other people (or nobody, in Sheldon's case)? 

 

I personally don’t see it that way, I think these are two people who coaxed each other out of their shells (yes, Sheldon coaxed Amy out too - she had no friends at all when he first met her, and he brought her into his social circle) one at a faster speed than the other, but that Sheldon’s willingness to step outside of everything he’s ever known and considered in order to follow her, because he’s so intrigued with her, is a testimony of how much he loves her. So, no, I don’t think Amy needs cookie points because she managed to “train” Sheldon to be a better boyfriend. He is not one of her monkeys. Sheldon has become a better boyfriend not because of her nagging and manipulative behavior, but because she held her hand out to him and went “come check out what’s out here”. And he is resistant and doubtful and sometimes she needs to kick his butt a little but the times she nags and manipulates him, generally backfire on her. I agree he has been reactive more than proactive, and that that needs to change. I have been saying for a long time my main wish is to start seeing Sheldon *wanting* to move forward, and not like he’s just going along with Amy’s wishes. But Sheldon does not do what he does not want to do either. And I think it *is* a good thing that Amy was a bit different and more open to new experiences and is coaxing him to enjoy them, out of his shell. But there’s a difference between pushing Sheldon to little steps into the water and going “it’s pretty nice, isn’t it?” and pushing him off a cliff and scream at him “YOU’D BETTER FLY NOW! AND FAST!”. I think mallamama (sorry for the spelling?!) put it best when they said it’s like Sheldon learning to drive: Sheldon has been in the passenger seat all the time, and occasionally takes the wheel now, but it’s still scary for him and he gets the pedals mixed up. But he's starting to drive a little. That’s the best metaphor of their relationship I’ve ever read. And he has *never* ever mucked up any of their important, crucial, emotional moments. He hasn’t done it the first time they kissed, or the first time he said ILY, or the first time they had role-play sex. Yes, maybe on the 10th time, he will make a silly comment afterwards, but seriously… Nobody has ever gotten distracted? Ever? I don’t think that cheapens his feelings for her, albeit I can understand she might get annoyed in that particular moment, and I can understand that because this is all so new to them right now, she might be questioning if he’s really into her and enjoying it. And I think it’s extremely reassuring that she is, and she’s not just interested in laying there and getting some lovin’ regardless of what Sheldon wants and desires, but wants him to be an active participant.

 

As for my point. When I say “romance novel” I don’t mean literal romance novels. I’m just not wanting to every time type out candlelit dinners, flowers, jewellery and chocolate and all the stuff, and stuff that Amy was never interested in at all before S6. That literally came out of nowhere. So often she holds Sheldon’s standards as a boyfriend to whether or not he makes conventional romantic gestures, or whether he speaks sweet nothings like the other guys, and I think that’s immature of her because romance is different for different people. While Sheldon might not woo her with fancy restaurants and romantic B&B gateaways (Vday last year was a big example to me), he will woo her in his own way with things that are meaningful and speak from HIS heart. You can’t honestly look at the whole 5 years that they have been together, and this one in particular, and say that Sheldon has never made Amy happy in his own, weird way. Again, Prom this year was a great example: she took the pressure of the expectations off of him and his love just came pouring out and they had the best night ever. And there he was so willing to do all sorts of things he didn't care for, just because it would make her happy: slow dancing, getting their photo taken, spiking the punch, being dressed properly. And I think there's some learning for her to do too, there, in realizing that if she stops trying to force him into very specific expectations of romance and instead widens her perspective a little bit, she will be much more satisfied because he won't feel pressured and cornered, which is where Sheldon usually lashes out. 

 

 

Sheldon only learns after being broken.  That is how he grows, not through steady watering, but a good pruning. 

I am sorry but this kind of stuff disturbs me to no end. Why ship a relationship where one partner has to be broken in order to learn, every time? I really don't get it. That's emotional abuse. And it's really not what I have ever seen in these two, IMO.

 

 

 

What could have made sense to me is if in this heavy make out session is Sheldon attempts another base and Amy freaks out. All along she thinks, we have been together for 5 years, writes fan fics about what physical intimacy might be like but when Sheldon goes for it...she freezes.  That story makes more sense to me than the story we were told.  

 
YES! Thank you! That was my dream scenario and it would make so much more sense with her panic attacks and being stiff as a board when he used to kiss her. The drama would have been there, the tables would have been turned, but it would have made so much more sense with the flow of the story this season to me.
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I agree with this....she hasn't been pushing him this season at all. When Leonard brought up the living arrangements she is the one who said he was still a flight risk.

At prom she told him not to worry just because he thought she looked pretty didn't mean they needed to spend the night together.

She suggested the sleepover yes but then didn't go for R rated when he started at G unlike the last negotiation that ended in cuddling.

And she agreed to the G with guidance for toddlers and infants....that was agreed. Who knows what actually happened. I want to hope more but I doubt it.

 

And this doesn't sound like she was pushing either, it actually sounds like he went in for more kissing and then she stopped. Maybe she was frustrated by his mentioning The Flash. Like I said earlier no one wants to be thought of second. But he wanted to go back in and then said she was the mood killer....have we thought maybe that was the catalyst and not the Flash?

 

She was like really and he didn't know why she didn't understand he was asking her opinion but then got right back in the mood and she stopped him. He then says you killed the mood.....she was probably like really?

 

So again I think she only wants to think about how to approach him on this matter and tell him how she feels about his thoughts. Let him know when they were kissing the only thing on her mind was him and wants him to understand that she feels she is second in his life....I think we all know by the fact he bought a ring and was probably planning on proposing soon means he does think of her as first in his life....she just needs to be reassured.

 

#teamshamy all the way......they will be fine....I know that.

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Hey guys! Im back home in the UK... As you can tell I'm thrilled!

 

When I get unpacked and settled down, Im going to do like a video regarding the finale.. Almost like a talking taping report of some kind!

 

We still have 3 episodes to go until Hiatus.. And then that dreaded time is here!.. I am thinking set up a BBT fan project during the summer hiatus.. A sort of S8 reflection and S9 predictions. Just something to keep us all heated during the hiatus and something we can all get involved with.

 

I am not going to work near the same amount of hours as I did last summer.. So I can dedicate some time to this project.. I will spread some more light on it in a few weeks when I have time to start setting it all up.. :) I want to get as many of you involved as possible.

 

Thanks!

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Hey guys! Im back home in the UK... As you can tell I'm thrilled!

When I get unpacked and settled down, Im going to do like a video regarding the finale.. Almost like a talking taping report of some kind!

We still have 3 episodes to go until Hiatus.. And then that dreaded time is here!.. I am thinking set up a BBT fan project during the summer hiatus.. A sort of S8 reflection and S9 predictions. Just something to keep us all heated during the hiatus and something we can all get involved with.

I am not going to work near the same amount of hours as I did last summer.. So I can dedicate some time to this project.. I will spread some more light on it in a few weeks when I have time to start setting it all up.. :) I want to get as many of you involved as possible.

Thanks!

Sounds awesome! I was just thinking that I need a project of some kind to get me through the hiatus [emoji106]
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I would like to add, because I thought it was really sweet, right after the lady was taking the promo shots of their kiss, Kaley had come in there and took a couple of polaroids of them, and as she walked off of the set, she was fanning her face with the polaroids and was making a face like, "Phew, that was hot."  

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Sheldon only learns after being broken. That is how he grows, not through steady watering, but a good pruning.

If you love someone so much why would you want to break them and break their spirit. There is a reason why Amy immediately clicked with Sheldon, why would she want to change him. If he's not good enough, let him go and move on. Wanting him to grow and open up is one thing. Breaking someone of who they really are is another and it's horribly unfair. And to be clear, I don't actually think that's what Amy really wants here, but obviously some others here do.

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If you love someone so much why would you want to break them and break their spirit. There is a reason why Amy immediately clicked with Sheldon, why would she want to change him. If he's not good enough, let him go and move on. Wanting him to grow and open up is one thing. Breaking someone of who they really are is another and it's horribly unfair. And to be clear, I don't actually think that's what Amy really wants here, but obviously some others here do.

I think we need to define broken here. He's not a horse, or broken like a vase. But he is emotionally pushed to the brink. His heart is broken now.

Saying my comment on the plant analogy is emotional abuse is laughable. Amy emotionally abusing him!?!? Haha. I am thinking if another analogy of pots and kettles

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I would like to add, because I thought it was really sweet, right after the lady was taking the promo shots of their kiss, Kaley had come in there and took a couple of polaroids of them, and as she walked off of the set, she was fanning her face with the polaroids and was making a face like, "Phew, that was hot."  

 

OMC that is so cute!

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