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So even though I know that the Shamy are going to be OK eventually, and 87% sure that Lenny will be OK, if you haven't been through the emotional wringer enough by now might I recommend rewatching The First Pitch Insufficiency?

I was watching the episode and saw what now I can see as foreshadowing.

After Penny refused to take the test, Leonard agreed with Penny that they are engaged and have nothing in common which was scary. Penny replied that wasn't good, as Leonard being blindly infatuated with her was the rock they were building the relationship on. Leonard tries to salvage the conversation by saying that they have being scared of a disastrous marriage in common. Penny stared at him in disbelief.

But what killed me was the look on poor Amy's face when she tells Sheldon how it would make her so happy if he said things like Leonard did. Then Sheldon commented that they got an 8.2 and that she was happy. Oh my God! It was Amy wanting what Sheldon was unable to give her because of who he was emotionally at the time, and Sheldon not listening to her desires as a test proved they were compatible enough. Which means to Sheldon she is happy.

It was heartbreaking.

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There is probably some sort of "cooling off" rule allowing one or the other to take a break if they need to, although this isn't really a break

The r/a covers so much that it wouldn't surprise me if Amy has to also give 24 hours notice "to think about stuff"

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I haven't caught up on the whole convo yet (long day!), but I think they both ruined each other's mood. Sheldon first, and then him ruining her mood ruined his mood. But since Sheldon is clueless he doesn't get what he did wrong. I even think Penny's advice didn't quite help, because I think with him you have to be direct. To tell him "You need to focus on her", he takes it literally. But the more... explicit version of that question, and more to the point, is not the way people usually say it, and that's why Penny didn't say "dude, if you're making out with a someone, they want to know you like it/them and are getting arousal out of it/them." And I honestly don't think it was the Flash comment itself that made her step back, it's more I think a cumulation of doubts she's had for a long time, about whether or not Sheldon is sexually attracted to her. That's the bottom line. And, in the bigger picture, whether or not he wants the same thing she wants out of the relationship.

I just wish they made it clearer it's about this and not just about the pace. Because it's one thing to have a plot where Amy is insecure about whether Sheldon wants her fully and completely as much as she does, it's another to have one where she's just fed up with waiting. The former, I can definitely get on board with. The latter just makes her come across as if she wants sex/romance more than she wants Sheldon and is totally contradictory of Prom "Of course I understand" Amy and disregarding all the progress they made so far. It also really bugs me that they use "5 years" as the timeline, to make it sound like she has been patient for 5 years when, really, they weren't even officially dating until 1.5 years after the first time they met, and for a long time they were on the same wavelength about this stuff.

I mean, to me the dialogue seems to imply the former, more than the latter. Because she doesn't want to just continue kissing him, when she thinks he doesn't want it. And later the dialogue with Penny and Sheldon she's telling him about "focusing on her". I kind of feel the "pace" thing is actually thrown in there more as a plot device to trigger the Lenny plot. Because if Amy hadn't brought up the pace, then Penny wouldn't have said he's going slow either and Sheldon wouldn't have been able to turn the tables on them and force them to pick a wedding date.

Agreed. I think that it makes more sense for Amy to be at a loss and not be sure if the progress in the physical stuff was made cause he really truly wanted it or because he gave in to her desire for it. It is evident that he likes it (I couldn't imagine Sheldon doing something he doesn't like anyway) but does he like it enough as much as she does? So I could very easily imagine that Sheldon not really wanting it and doing it for her is a deal breaker for Amy hence the reevaluation. What I didn't at all was the "all I get is distracted make out" cause frankly it's not. Even if she only meant their physical progress we are talking about a person who didn't understand how Penny wanted to break up with Leonard yet she drunk from his soda. And now he goes in for more. I understand that it hurt her but I hope that she made the decision to get some space to think about what's really troubling her and realize that if Sheldon doesn't go with his whole heart into the physical side of the relationship then can she put a stop to it and say "hey never mind I am staying here even if my needs are not met" or is she going to break up? But most importantly I hope she learns how to talk and communicate with him in that area too cause as wonderful their communication in general is I find it very fitting that the bad communication happened about something physical.

As for the pace thing it seems a little forced tbh and as wow says I think they could have achieved exactly what they did,the essence of the episode, but in a bit more graceful manner.

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So even though I know that the Shamy are going to be OK eventually, and 87% sure that Lenny will be OK, if you haven't been through the emotional wringer enough by now might I recommend rewatching The First Pitch Insufficiency?

I was watching the episode and saw what now I can see as foreshadowing.

After Penny refused to take the test, Leonard agreed with Penny that they are engaged and have nothing in common which was scary. Penny replied that wasn't good, as Leonard being blindly infatuated with her was the rock they were building the relationship on. Leonard tries to salvage the conversation by saying that they have being scared of a disastrous marriage in common. Penny stared at him in disbelief.

But what killed me was the look on poor Amy's face when she tells Sheldon how it would make her so happy if he said things like Leonard did. Then Sheldon commented that they got an 8.2 and that she was happy. Oh my God! It was Amy wanting what Sheldon was unable to give her because of who he was emotionally at the time, and Sheldon not listening to her desires as a test proved they were compatible enough. Which means to Sheldon she is happy.

It was heartbreaking.

 

 

This is so interesting! Again, I have completely the opposite take on the same events. I facepalmed at Leonard's anxious dismissal of Penny's very valid concerns (I think they can be resolved, but Penny deserved for Leonard to take her worries seriously) with a romantic line. However sweet the line was, and I am sure sincerely meant, I couldn't help thinking 'That................. is not helpful.'

 

And when Amy sighed 'I wish that you would say something like that to me', I turned to her and said 'That is because you are immature. Of course you're a romantic and you have a great big gooey centre and we love you for it. But can't you hear that Leonard's words are (at least in part) born of a desire to avoid a discussion?' and I cheered when Sheldon said '8.2. Trust me, you're happy.'

 

Now, of course you might say that Sheldon too was dismissing his partner's concerns. But I thought that that exchange was Sheldon partly reminding Amy that there's no unique model for successful relationships. She's the kind of girl who values Relationship Agreements, because they're 'more than hot. They're binding.' They're both the kind of people who value intellect (however much Amy might have a crush on Penny, she's actually pretty snarky about her lack of book-smarts).

 

So, to me, that was Sheldon saying 'No, I will not serenade you with romance. But also, I will not use it to talk down to you. I will-for the most part- treat you as much more of an equal than I'm capable of treating anyone else. Look at us. Look at what we have- a relationship founded on intellectual intimacy and companionship. Is the hearts-and-flowers stuff really what you want?'

 

And I cheered, because one of my greatest sorrows is that the writers implicitly rubber-stamp Amy's frequent selfishness and immaturity. I love her to bits- I actually think she and Sheldon are the best-written characters on the show- but I get irritated that she isn't called on things like her mad rush to move in with Sheldon even though they are clearly not ready. I liked that the show acknowledged that Amy was a person, not just a put-upon sitcom girlfriend waiting for her manchild to grow up. I liked that the show acknowledged that her character too has space to grow and reflect. And I liked that the show seemed to implicitly acknowledge that Sheldon, as exasperating as he is, sometimes has a better handle on what relationships entail than does Amy.

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First of all, this post is brilliant. This is exactly what I think was happening with Amy to be honest which is why I tend to lean towards her reaction not being that much of a stretch or surprise. I know some have questioned the timing on bringing in this storyline, that after a seemingly blissful season for them that it didn't make sense. But from a writing perspective if you wanted to start a believable arc where Sheldon has to prove himself to Amy, fight for her and actually put her first in his thoughts they had to first establish how much he loves her. Only now that he's accepted that he loves her and wants to make her a permanent part of his future will next season be believable. Cause otherwise, you do this before they got this comfortable with each other and in love, Sheldon wouldn't fight for her. He would turn tail, cut his losses and let's face it, end up an insufferable mess. But now, he has that fight in him. He's already decided that he loves her and he's starting to embrace the fact that he wants her physically and wants to marry her. This last hurdle for him is what will make him step up finally and embrace her and the relationship completely. And this finally is what should put Amy's insecurities and hesitations around him disappear.

Once you have all that in place, that's when sexual intimacy becomes not only possible but inevitable and believable between these two.

I for one can't wait to watch them get there

exactly!! I'm so looking forward to watching it unfold too :) 

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This is so interesting! Again, I have completely the opposite take on the same events. I facepalmed at Leonard's anxious dismissal of Penny's very valid concerns (I think they can be resolved, but Penny deserved for Leonard to take her worries seriously) with a romantic line. However sweet the line was, and I am sure sincerely meant, I couldn't help thinking 'That................. is not helpful.'

 

And when Amy sighed 'I wish that you would say something like that to me', I turned to her and said 'That is because you are immature. Of course you're a romantic and you have a great big gooey centre and we love you for it. But can't you hear that Leonard's words are (at least in part) born of a desire to avoid a discussion?' and I cheered when Sheldon said '8.2. Trust me, you're happy.'

 

Now, of course you might say that Sheldon too was dismissing his partner's concerns. But I thought that that exchange was Sheldon partly reminding Amy that there's no unique model for successful relationships. She's the kind of girl who values Relationship Agreements, because they're 'more than hot. They're binding.' They're both the kind of people who value intellect (however much Amy might have a crush on Penny, she's actually pretty snarky about her lack of book-smarts).

 

So, to me, that was Sheldon saying 'No, I will not serenade you with romance. But also, I will not use it to talk down to you. I will-for the most part- treat you as much more of an equal than I'm capable of treating anyone else. Look at us. Look at what we have- a relationship founded on intellectual intimacy and companionship. Is the hearts-and-flowers stuff really what you want?'

 

And I cheered, because one of my greatest sorrows is that the writers implicitly rubber-stamp Amy's frequent selfishness and immaturity. I love her to bits- I actually think she and Sheldon are the best-written characters on the show- but I get irritated that she isn't called on things like her mad rush to move in with Sheldon even though they are clearly not ready. I liked that the show acknowledged that Amy was a person, not just a put-upon sitcom girlfriend waiting for her manchild to grow up. I liked that the show acknowledged that her character too has space to grow and reflect. And I liked that the show seemed to implicitly acknowledge that Sheldon, as exasperating as he is, sometimes has a better handle on what relationships entail than does Amy.

 

That has always been how I saw the line.  Also, that kind of stuff coming from Sheldon would feel rather empty and not very genuine to me.  It would be like, "she likes to hear this crap so, blah, blah, blah".   When Sheldon says something from the heart it moves me so much because we know that Sheldon can't lie and means what he says.

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First of all, this post is brilliant. This is exactly what I think was happening with Amy to be honest which is why I tend to lean towards her reaction not being that much of a stretch or surprise. I know some have questioned the timing on bringing in this storyline, that after a seemingly blissful season for them that it didn't make sense. But from a writing perspective if you wanted to start a believable arc where Sheldon has to prove himself to Amy, fight for her and actually put her first in his thoughts they had to first establish how much he loves her. Only now that he's accepted that he loves her and wants to make her a permanent part of his future will next season be believable. Cause otherwise, you do this before they got this comfortable with each other and in love, Sheldon wouldn't fight for her. He would turn tail, cut his losses and let's face it, end up an insufferable mess. But now, he has that fight in him. He's already decided that he loves her and he's starting to embrace the fact that he wants her physically and wants to marry her. This last hurdle for him is what will make him step up finally and embrace her and the relationship completely. And this finally is what should put Amy's insecurities and hesitations around him disappear.

Once you have all that in place, that's when sexual intimacy becomes not only possible but inevitable and believable between these two.

I for one can't wait to watch them get there

Yes bring it!

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I'm getting kind of uncomfortable being on the 666 page....can we move on quickly please... LOL . Any post on this page is CURSED!!!

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The Prom episode is on right now...Awwwww :cry:

yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i was just going to say the same thing!!!!!!!!!!!! it was sooooo much better watching it on a 40 inch screen than on my laptop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

he looooves her!!!!!!!!!!!

he WILL fight for his woman!!!!!!!!!!!! 

 

and then HE'S GOING TO ROCK HER WORLD ON HIS SPOT... HIS BED... HER BED.... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and marry her!!!! :party:

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I feel like we're gonna hit 1000 pages before this season is over. :p

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I feel like we're gonna hit 1000 pages before this season is over. :p

probably.... considering we haven't seen that kiss or break.... we'll have A  LOT to comment on ;) 

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It's so weird because I remember having a similar discussion about "what Sheldon wants" last year right before S8 started. It was in reference to that article where Molaro said that not only would Sheldon start accepting change and intimacy with Amy, he would actually WANT them, too. I feel like this is the big issue in this storyline, and really, the final "roadblock" Shamy has as a couple. As soon as the taping ended, I turned to Maria and said, "sh*t just got real," because that's exactly how it felt. Before this taping I never felt like sex was about to come soon, moving in, marriage, or anything like that. It seemed too far away still, like they're nowhere ready, and they haven't reached that level of love and intimacy yet. And I've never seen such emotion between these two characters. What's so beautiful about the tag scene is that you feel so powerfully how much these two truly love each other. And it's all in the subtext.

And what I love about this storyline is that neither of them are really in the wrong. Both sides are understandable. It's hard to see that when Sheldon has made so much progress this year, not only with Amy but with everyone else. His maturity is 100 times what it was last year. He told her he loves her, and that came all on his own. He still needs a little pushing and shoving, sure, but I think he's been written so wonderfully well this season to show us that he's been maturing but at the same time not breaking character. I don't think anyone, including Amy, denies that he's head over heels for her. Just look at the beginning scene of Colonization.

But I think Amy's main concern is that, "does he desire me or is he pacifying me?" Is he doing all this stuff merely because he knows it's what I want, or does he want it, too? Everyone knows Sheldon wants it, too, but hasn't fully come to terms with it. And Sheldon made one silly comment as they came up for air while making out, but you can see how it would let the air out of Amy's tires a little bit. A lot of people are having trouble seeing Amy's side, or at least the timing of it, and I get that. But when I was watching the scene, and the lights were kinda dimmed, and it was so passionate (I really did think it was a dream sequence), and her line about her anniversary was so romantic, all of a sudden this dream-like state was broken by Sheldon's "should I start watching the Flash?" And I think that's what it felt like to Amy. And I don't think it was just this one silly comment that set her off. I think it was just months of feeling insecure and feeling these intense emotions, and knowing he loves her and getting so caught up in how serious things are getting, that one tiny thing kind of unravels her. And the best part of it, in my opinion, is that it's not completely rational! I completely understand where she's coming from, and that's because where she's coming from isn't completely justified.

I liked Koops's anaology of moving the goal posts for Sheldon. Every time he reaches a milestone, the next goal is moved without any time for him to breathe. I do think Amy appreciates how far he's come this season. We've seen her so happy so many times this season. Interruption, First Pitch, Prom, Christmas episode, Colonization, Fortification. But has been a major discussion, she is not perfect. She is extremely flawed, as is he. Saying things like "all I can get out of you is a distracted makeout session" is not right, but hey, those were her feelings in that moment. I don't think she's clamoring to get him into bed. I think she perfectly understands and respects that he's not ready. I don't think it's about sex at all. I just think she wants to feel closer with him, everyday, more and more, in whatever way that entails. Maybe she's asking too much.

But I think if he had just given her a tiny glimpse into where his head is at - and after that tag we know exactly where it is - and had been honest and said that he does want her, and all these things will happen, that she'd be perfectly okay. It's just that they're stuck in a misunderstanding right now. That's all it is. I don't think anyone here seriously thinks Shamy is over or that they're doomed or they just want different things. Sheldon wants everything she does. She just doesn't know that. And he doesn't know she doesn't know that (I mean, he was making out with her, get a clue, Amy :p JK). But she will find out. He will make sure of it.

Okay, that was my attempt to explain some of my thoughts on the finale. I am still freaking out. There are so many little things I love about it. :D And not just the makeout and ring reveal. :p

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Yes I live in Greece!!

Wow! I didn't think there were any Greeks here! Nice!!!  :drinks:

 

I was in this forum for like 2-3 weeks now but I was too shy to be a part of the conversation. But when you said the Prom episode was on I was like "hey, what are the odds?" so I had to say hello! 

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Wow! I didn't think there were any Greeks here! Nice!!!  :drinks:

 

I was in this forum for like 2-3 weeks now but I was too shy to be a part of the conversation. But when you said the Prom episode was on I was like "hey, what are the odds?" so I had to say hello! 

 

Haha! I'm Greek too! This is SO Awesome! 

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