Ship Zone [Spoilers]Shamy S8 Thread

[EleQueen]

Yeah, and after that: Is it September yet?

[xxmimiaxx]

this video was uploaded after last years finale but if you pay attention to the lyrics... it totally fits this year as well. DEDICATED TO OUR SHAMY

https://youtu.be/KPaisAN_Zb0

 

 

 

 

 

(OH... and the more I think about this turn of events, the more I want Sheldon to say things to Amy that will leave her speechless, breathless and in awe. He could be scientific about it... he can be hippy- dippy about it.... I just want him to leave her without any doubts about how he  truly feels about her and what he really thinks of her in all respects!)

YES ^^^^ yes to all haha 

[Guest]

Is it May 7th yet?

 

You mean: Is it my birthday yet?   

 

I'm not sure whether or not i should consider this a gift though... 

[MJistheBOMB]

Has Sheldon proposed to Amy yet?

[EleQueen]

You mean: Is it my birthday yet?   

 

I'm not sure whether or not i should consider this a gift though... 

Is it your birthday that day? You lucky lucky girl!!!

I think you should definitely consider this a birthday present because I 'm positive that all the drama will lead to an amazing 9th season. Plus we'll get to see the make out scene! 

I refuse to think that Shamy will be apart for long!

 

 

...So, how many cats now?

Edited April 27, 2015 by EleQueen

[Cherry]

I can't see how Sheldon is left with a choice.

 

It's Amy who decides on the break. She is the one who has to make a decision.

 

Because if she comes back and tells him: either you become more romantic / involved in our relationship, or we're done, I'm sorry, but it sounds like blackmail.

 

And once again, I believe Sheldon to be mature enough not to try to convince her by some way or another before she has taken her final decision. I would find it very sad if Sheldon were the first to move, thus not respecting her need for " time and space to think ".

[Shamyyes]

I am afraid this will last a bit longer than most are predicting. It is a device to prolong further development. I know they will be fine and together completely but I'm not so sure it will happen in one or two episodes. In regards to ratings etc. their consummation is gold. The writers are still stalling on this.

It's going to be a long summer.

[wowbagger]

*Checks pulse on motionless horse on floor*

Yep I think we beat this horse to death.

Thank you for sharing your many thoughts on the Shamy relationship. I am still sticking with my original opinion at this point.

 

 

Hee! I enjoy this very much. For the moments when 'Talk to the Hand' simply won't do.

[mirs1]

I agree with you Shamyyes...if the break lasts at most a couple of episodes, then the "natural" conclusion of it is...consummation, and then, bye-bye "gold"!!! My guess is that the writers will create some "in between" situation, in which our heroes will interact with each other (their interaction is so fantastic, I can't imagine that the two of them have different plots during the season, plus for "logistic" situations  it is kind of difficoult to think to concrete plots involving Amy alone) but still they will not be a couple for a while...Maybe they are thinking to something big for the 200th episode  since in the 100th Lenny started dating again and was a special episode for the series! Hope just that Shamy's break doesn''t last more than one year, like Lenny's one!!!

 

In this period in my country there are some reruns of 5th and 7th season, actually, now that I know what I know, I'm not enjoying them as a used to...It will be really a long long summer!!!

[koops]

At the moment, I'm kind of gambling on a middle ground: I think their fight will be solved relatively quickly, but the proposal will be dragged out for the remainder of the season. As in, we, the audience, know Sheldon has a ring (and there may even be reminders of it through the seasons - say, if Leonard finds it or something), but Amy won't know. And we will be left wondering WHEN the damn thing is going to make an appearance. I can't see their fight end in 9x01 with Sheldon down on one knee and Amy saying yes. 

 

The reason I don't know the fight will be dragged on too long is because, first, they generally solve their 'cliffhangers' fast (see S4/5, S7/S8 for the most glaring examples), particularly because they don't plan too far ahead. Secondly because Amy is a "secondary" character. She was brought on for Sheldon, and, as much as I love her and want to convince myself otherwise, her reactions/actions are still very much written as a mere plot device for the story they want to tell with Sheldon. So, to me, even this particular snap is more about what the writers want to do with Sheldon than what they want to do with Amy. I would praise all the cods in the sea if this were the time where we finally see Amy's side of the story for a change, but I am afraid that this won't turn into the "let's explore Amy Farrah Fowler's inner world" season. Or at least not for very long. If they keep Sheldon and Amy separate, they pretty much drastically reduce what they can do with her, since she would be relegated to girl nights plots and the occasional H/R/B plot. Unless they really lose their minds and genuinely have Raj break up with Emily and date Amy, at which point I'm out. To be honest, at this stage, I'm more worried about what they will be twisting Amy into to tell a story about Sheldon than anything else. 

 

I also (and I might be in the minority about this) actually think this isn't a stalling manoeuvre at all. I actually think it's the opposite. I think it's the "the second to last season is coming and things need to start changing" manoeuvre. I mean, they start the episode bang on with the most sexual Shamy they've ever done and end with a ring? That didn't exactly scream "we are putting on the brakes" to me, like the Vday ep in S6 did. But I might be wrong, who knows. It might also be because I don't see Shamy working through their issues when it comes to their needs and desires "stalling". I think whatever form that takes, it's something that needed to be addressed big time. So long as it's not "we are going to keep Shamy separate for half a season and not talk to each other", I don't see it as stalling. And I surely hope they have more imagination than going through the cliche' breakup route done in EVERY. SINGLE. SHOW. FOR. EVERY. SINGLE. COUPLE. 

Edited April 27, 2015 by koops

[Judge-Apatow]

I predict that coitus will come before the ring in season 9.

[koops]

I predict that coitus will come before the ring in season 9.

 

Same! I've actually been betting on consummation sometime between end of S8 and mid S9 ever since Cooper/Kripke came out. So far, I'm still on schedule

[alexeo]

I'm in France, it's difficult to have episodes in french for season 8, i tried CBS Streaming[content removed] but the last episodes were not available

[wowbagger]

I can't see how Sheldon is left with a choice.

 

It's Amy who decides on the break. She is the one who has to make a decision.

 

Because if she comes back and tells him: either you become more romantic / involved in our relationship, or we're done, I'm sorry, but it sounds like blackmail.

 

And once again, I believe Sheldon to be mature enough not to try to convince her by some way or another before she has taken her final decision. I would find it very sad if Sheldon were the first to move, thus not respecting her need for " time and space to think ".

 

Re: the bolded bit: not blackmail, precisely, but an ultimatum that casts doubt on whether Sheldon is changing to keep his woman (which I think would be depressing and ultimately futile), or whether his relationship with Amy, among other things, has opened his eyes to the benefits of change, for himself (which I think would be far more satisfying).

[tmp]

I'll be terribly disappointed if it's resolved with an ultimatum.  It wouldn't be convincing to her if she thinks he's just trying to appease her.  She knows he loves her already and he has demonstrated that he'll do anything for her; the question in her mind is whether he loves her in the way she needs.  He has to find a way to prove it to her, and it needs to be from him.  When he does, it had better be good.  I'm talking about the emotional content of the spider-man speech, train kiss, and ILY scene all rolled into one.  Amy deserves it, and frankly, we deserve it for being put through this torture.

[koops]

I agree, and I don't think the writers are going for an ultimatum here. I think the way they write their humour often comes across as such to the average viewers (i.e. I saw Ausiello in his spoilers, blatantly based on the taping reports, say that Amy gives him an ultimatum), but I honestly don't think that's the way they are writing it all, when you pay attention. But I always got the impression that for the writers it is important to maintain a balance and a sweetness in the relationship that an ultimatum would simply destroy. And it's the reason why I can't see Amy coming back from this "break" deciding to break up; because that would come across not much differently from a ultimatum. Actually, I could have seen the shocking twist of events where Sheldon does the selfless thing and lets her go for her own happiness, but it doesn't really fit with the fact that he's obviously intending to propose. 

 

One thing I was musing about, with regards to Steve's interview, is whether the "How far she can push him before she breaks him" does not refer to the fact that Sheldon will break, but the fact that Amy might stop and think about whether she's pushing him too far and asking too much of him. I honestly don't see Amy as the type of character that would be willing to break someone she obviously loves so deeply just to get what she wants, so I don't think this "break" is just about her deciding whether to stay or not, whether he wants the same things she does and desires her the same way she does, but also to think about how all of this has been affecting Sheldon. But I truly think (/hope) that the resolution will be for her to realize/Sheldon to show her that he is in this relationship just as much as she is and wants it just as much as she does. But that has to come spontaneously and from the heart, not from fear or ultimatums.

[rachelshamyfan]

I still can't get over the fact that they were close as can be by the end of colonization and fort then all of a sudden they are as far apart as mars and the earth

I know its all for drama but pushing them apart for it is annoying

Edited April 27, 2015 by rachelshamyfan

[Judge-Apatow]

I think the writers actually wrote that episode in such a way that they make it pretty clear there is no ultimatum. Sheldon tried to kiss Amy but Amy wouldn't let him because she felt like he was faking being into it. She clearly doesn't want a relationship where she has to manipulate Sheldon into doing things he doesn't want to. That's the point  of the break. it became to emotionally and physically difficult for Amy to deal with the fact that Sheldon might never genuinely want to be physical with her. She doesn't want him to be with her because she's making him, she wants him to want her. That's the opposite of an ultimatum. She needs time to think and be by herself. And she needs time to be okay with herself. It must be a huge blow to her self esteem to be with a guy who so often doesn't seem into her sexually (even if he really is). When she began in the earlier seasons she was spunky and confident. She thought she was hot and it didn't matter what anyone else thought. Maybe she doesn't feel that way so much anymore. Maybe she needs to practice a little self love, while Sheldon practices a little self awareness.

[CaffeineBuzz]

I really don't think this will play out as an ultimatum and I have no fear that Amy will break up with him. I might have worried more if she hadn't approached it the way she did, reassuring him that she needed time, that she loves him and asking him to understand. That to me speaks volumes that she has no intention of breaking up with him. This break is entirely about how she's feeling in the relationship, where her head and heart are at and figuring out for herself what exactly it is that she wants from him.

My mind keeps running this one scenario where she will actually have a frank conversation with him about not being sure what his motivation is towards her and intimacy. I'm really, really hoping that she just puts it out there that she honestly has no idea if he does want her in that way or if he's just going through the motions. We saw a bit of that come out at Prom when she said she didn't want him to say it "because social convention dictates". I have a strong suspicion she may voice that concern on the physical front now and tell him that as a result, she wants to remove all physical intimacy stipulations in their relationship agreement. Amy would ask him to take them all out telling him that the only way she can know for sure that this is actually what he wants is to remove any and all obligation towards it, including those in the agreement. That way, it puts him solely in the driver's seat on that front. Then if he initiates anything she knows its because its something he wants, not something he feels obligated to do.

That in my mind, could be very, very interesting and its the final frontier conversation for them really. This is the only subject that is still so difficult for them and the only roadblock still standing in their way.

[Susana Alcira]

Sheldon bought his 6th cat. It is a Peterbald one.

[kerrycec03]

I keep thinking back to what Maddie wrote a few days ago.... Shit just got real.  The only way to get these two to really dive into full on intimacy and marriage IS to get a bit of drama out of the way so they both can truly know if they are 100% in for the next step and are doing it for all the right reasons.  NOT to make the other one happy AND are putting their partners needs AHEAD of theirs.  We have yet to see Sheldon really do this.  This needs to happen to make these big steps believable. 

 

And yes, communication has always been their strength, but "shit has gotten real now".... this is beyond faking sick, or raiders, or not defending you to your friends.  This is the real big stuff now.  And Amy actually requesting this break is a way of communicating that she isn't 100% happy with things and she too doesn't want to go through the motions if he isn't 100%.  She is just plain tired and I can totally accept that.  Its not her responsibility to constantly move him forward.  He needs to start driving on his own.  (I've written many times that the "Amy taught me", "Its scary", "Mix up the pedals" driving words were a metaphor for the Shamy relationship)

 

I really don't think the "break" will last long.  And I think all parties agree that we've been waiting to see Sheldon want/need/chase Amy a bit more then we've ever seen.  And yes the guy has moved so much in season 8 that probably at the finale he feels defeated...how much more could he possibly give.  But once he clears his own head he'll see the light.  He eventually almost always does. 

[Lionne]

I can't wait to watch this one, even though I know it's going to hit like a punch to the gut. Having Sheldon pull out a ring and then fading to black for the summer hits so hard in "the feels" the writers should be charged with a felony.

Personally, I am not surprised, after all that has happened this season, that we get shown that Sheldon has finally started really thinking about and planning his future, and he wants Amy in it forever. I feel like the turtle episode really got the gears in his head moving, and he knows he loves her and she loves him, and he realizes he wants a future with her. And apparently he's internally taken some subtle but massive internal leap forward, and I hurt for him, but am not entirely surprised, that he screws up the make out session and their 5th anniversary by not "staying on topic."

I used to say, a long time ago, that I felt the conflict in their relationship was not exactly over sex, but in Amy's faith and patience in Sheldon and his ability to run those things out. He's given her a lot of mixed messages over the years, and he has demanded a lot of coddling and management. Even with all of the wonderful things they did this season, like confessing their love to each other or having their first sleepover, there has also been Amy having to buy Sheldon bobble head dolls or teddy bears to bribe him to "behave," for lack of a better word. Although I don't recall him complaining about hugs, hand-holding, sex, or any of those things this season, obviously he has in the past. Ignoring her request for a kiss when she's dressed up like Snow White, telling her sex was still off-putting and ridiculous, telling her that when she wanted to hold hands she was pawing at him like a bear after a trash can of sweets. And then there is the answer at the moment she really genuinely asked: I know we have a very intimate relationship, but sometimes I want more. He tells her he hasn't ruled it out. In essence, Sheldon gave Amy the answer of "maybe" two years ago, and while he will kiss her after date night now, his answer over two years has never really shifted from "maybe." And during the time spent in "maybe," his tune has been inconsistent. He'll kiss her, but Leonard says it's not romantic. Sometimes she'll ask him to take a walk, and he'll snap that "everything is all about sex with you." Or vetch that a little kiss under the mistletoe is like being in a Tijana sex show. How long does Sheldon expect Amy to dangle in the land of "maybe," all the while getting conflicting messages? How long will her faith of what's under Sheldon's exterior, and the strength of her love for him, hold up under such circumstances?

I think it even makes more sense for Amy to finally snap just when she thinks everything is so perfect. It's their 5 year anniversary, he's said he loves her, they are really, REALLY kissing, and Amy gushes about their relationship and Sheldon responds by asking her....if he should pick up watching another one of his SciFi TV shows? It's a much harder fall from Cloud 9 than Ground Zero. Just when Amy is soaring with excitement that Sheldon is finally showing this passionate, romantic interest, he hits her with the fact something totally mundane and unrelated to her or them or what is happening. Just when the "maybe" seems about to become "yes," he talks about TV. He just doesn't seem into it the way she is, and it's like Amy hits earth and gets her rose-tinted glasses knocked off once and for all. What she sees as the reality before her is hurtful, disappointing, and a slap to the face. She stops cold, lashes sarcastically back at Sheldon and then leaves.

It's a huge reversal from last year, isn't it? Last season's finale had Sheldon snap at Amy, bashing the idea of her moving in, marriage, kids and settling down, and then storming off. Next thing Amy knew, he was on a fucking train to destinations unknown for length of time unknown. Why? Well, Sheldon needed time to think. He took 45 days, and honestly, who knows when he would have stopped if his stuff hadn't been stolen? Well, now it's Amy's turn to take some time to think, and woe to Sheldon, there's some pretty harsh things he has said in the past she might have glossed over then, but in her current state of mind she probably won't gloss over now. She doesn't know he bought a ring, she knows their attempt to buy a turtle failed and she had to scream at him that YES, their relationship had to take place on the same planet! On top of that, Bernie has even suggested she cheat, or mocked Sheldon's lack of sexual interest - what will Amy make of the feedback from her friends? What are they going to say to her during this period?

I don't know if this will lead to stalling tactic, break up, or turn the tables of pursuit. If used wisely, I think it's a great way to eliminate one scenario no Shamy shipper wants to see, and that's it being unclear if sex is something Sheldon really wants when they have it, or something he gives into just to keep Amy happy. I think we all want Sheldon to want it for himself, and want it bad, instead of something that finally happens because Amy pushes enough or decides to dump him because she's not getting any, so he caves to please her. That would be the worst.

I think, or at least I hope, that Amy comes back from her period of thinking and says that she's accepted Sheldon for who he is, that he's obviously just not a sexual person and she has been wrong all this time to push for it. She wants to stay together because she truly loves him, sex or no sex, and she's just going to take sex "off the table," like the first day she met him. He might object, but Amy won't believe him, and then throw back at him everything he ever said about any romance or physical contact - it's ridiculous and off-putting and germy and looks stupid. Sheldon will find himself arguing against himself and his own words, and realize what a clusterfuck he's made for himself. And Amy will pull out a new copy of the Relatinship Agreement, and tell him she's taken all the hand-holding, hugging and kissing stuff out, and he can read it and sign it while she makes tea. And there Sheldon will be, supposedly getting everything Amy thinks he wants, and unable to convince her otherwise, and realizing he's going to continue dating her and not be allowed to lay a finger on her.

It takes me back to an earlier episode where Sheldon found out he made a mistake and had to retract something. He said, "now that I can't have it, I want it more than ever." I see Sheldon burning with the same sort of desire for Amy; now that she's made it that he can't have her romantically or sexually, he realizes that he wants her like crazy. And I'd love to see that going on for a few episodes, and when Sheldon finally does kiss her again - RA be damned - she and the audience will know for sure this is what he really wants. That he loves her and wants her completely and fully, and he convinces her of it, and there is no more ambiguity about Sheldon's "deal" to debate.

Then, by God, that ring better make a reappearance!

Edited April 27, 2015 by Lionne

[Tensor]

I'm in France, it's difficult to have episodes in french for season 8, i tried CBS Streaming[content removed] but the last episodes were not available

First off, welcome to the forums. I hope you enjoy your time here. Second, I have removed the link to the streaming site. We only allow links to official CBS or Warmer Brothers sites.

[tmp]

I think Sheldon has matured to the point that he can deal with this...whatever it is...without a bunch of cats.

[puremorning]

There was a fanfic like that, amy takes off all the physical stuff and then of course they had a lot of physical stuff was it "concession"?