Ship Zone [Spoilers]Shamy S8 Thread

[Lizzie_AR]

I just keep thinking and thinking. This is not an ultimatum, Amy just needs some time to deal with her selfsteem issues, not to evaluate if she must stay with Sheldon or leave him.

 

I think it's really mature of Sheldon that he's giving her space instead of making her stay with him. Now he loves her so much and the fact that he puts her need of being alone for a while before his need to be with her says a lot about him. We don't know for sure for how long they're be on this break, but if I base the outcome on the way the writers tend to solve this kind of issues and cliffhangers, they'll be back on the season premiere.

 

Whether they get back together soon or late, I bet when they do it, it will be awesome, because I'm sure Amy will not break up with him. They just love each other so much. I'm not sure of how this is going to happen, but if they go on the right direction, I think Sheldon will realize he wants Amy, that he desires her. And he will have to go after her. Maybe I'm reading too much fanfiction but I really hope, Sheldon kisses her one day all of the sudden, while the're on this break, screw the RA, he wants her and then Amy pulls back and asks him "What are you doing?" and then Sheldon says something like: "I want to make love to you, Amy" surprising her and the audience. This sounds extremely far fetched but it will be so cool, I can actually hear the audience going wild, cheering and clapping. Maybe this is just wishful thinking.

 

Anyway, I still think that if this break thing was going to happen, I'm glad it happened this way. Imagine if Sheldon proposing and Amy saying no. That would be even worse for us!!!

Edited April 27, 2015 by Lizzie_AR

[kerrycec03]

you know Lizzie...looking at your avatar pic...its almost like that 2nd SIK was a foreshadowing of the upcoming finale.  She gets him to kiss her and he is into it (more than her which is clear) but continues on talking about the controllers lighting up.  And he breaks away and she looks defeated.....

 

just an observation...

[Judge-Apatow]

I want them to somehow show Sheldon being forced to drive to get to Amy.

[wowbagger]

He is more into the kiss, isn't he? That always intrigued me- such a pointed acting choice from Bialik. I'm sure it's deliberate (because Bialik is awesome), and I was really hoping that we would get a little more into the question of Amy's reactions during the kisses. No such luck, sadly- as koops says, the show's more interested in Sheldon (no judgement per se*, it's just a pity).

 

A question: does that continue in the makeout that we see (i.e. Sheldon seems relaxed and confident, while Amy's as stiff as a board)? Or no?

 

ETA: * You know what? Screw no judgement. Amy is a very interesting character, and Parsons and Bialik are arguably the strongest performers on the show. I would like to get some Amy POV.

Edited April 27, 2015 by wowbagger

[kerrycec03]

from what I've heard, both parties are really into the make-out.  So she isn't timid like previously

[Maddie]

Yeah. Maybe we'll be able to pick up on some subtleties when it airs, but from what I remember they were both equally very into it.

[wowbagger]

Ah, interesting. So something happened in between to increase her confidence. Which, I guess, either makes her insecurities less easy to explain, or makes her feeling of letdown at Sheldon's dumb pop-culture interpolation even more devastating. 

 

I continue to pout at being deprived onscreen of the moments between those chaste kisses and the 'necking' (awwww, Shelly).

 

ETA: I keep forgetting to say thanks so much for the info and analysis, Maddie!

Edited April 27, 2015 by wowbagger

[tmp]

I'm tentatively planning not to watch the last scene until s9 starts taping.

[kitlovesjim]

I want them to somehow show Sheldon being forced to drive to get to Amy.

agreed. i want to see Sheldon to grovel ...

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[ATOB]

I guess I'm a little less emotionally attached, but I see this as a cold hard realisation for Amy that this man is not sexually attracted to her and she's quite right to take a step back and protect herself.

I'm hoping she's wrong, but a guy thinking about TV mid make out is no different to the cliche of the wife telling her husband the ceiling needs a new coat of paint during the act.

I hope that the writers have a funny and awkward reveal where the audience do find out the opposite is true, I'm back to the 'rocket in Sheldon's pocket' train of thought here.

[koops]

Regarding Lio's post: yes, yes and yes. That's my biggest hope for a resolution to the current mess.

 

Although I also want to turn the tables and say that while this could be a fantastic thing for Sheldon (i.e. making clear once and for all about what *he* wants and that he wants the same things she does), I also think it could be a fantastic thing for Amy because I feel that by expecting all these things, and pushing for them, and constantly having them in the back of her mind, she probably, slightly, removed some of the enjoyment that she would probably get out of the relationship. As much as she had to coddle Sheldon with bobble-head dolls and teddy bears, he had to coddle her with hand holding at the cinema (and, yes, I know you wrote a fic for me about that because I was so angry about that bear paw line, but there was a different reason for my anger) and fancy restaurants and I think that these two types of compromises are really about the same, it's just that because fancy restaurants sound 'grown up' and bobble head dolls sound 'childish', that the audience tends to side with Amy. But I see them both in the same way: compromises about minor things neither of them are into for the sake of the other. 

 

When it comes to stuff that matters though (their future, their feelings, serious physical intimacy), that's a different story, and I agree that's not something that should be done as ultimatums, compromises or any sort of desperation to bend to the will of the other in order to keep them. 

 

As for kissing, I think Amy's current participation versus early lack of participation is probably just a product of a lot of time and a lot of practice. It's been nearly a year and a half since that train kiss, and it's clear from this last one in particular that kissing frequency has escalated beyond the contractual obligations, so I think she just got the hang of it and relaxed. While I do feel a bit cheated that we didn't get to see the transition, it would have been frankly depressing to have them still kiss the same way a year and a half later, because it would mean that it's still rare and restricted to one kiss per Date Night. And while I would have loved a cold feet scenario, I also think the evolution make sense without it: Amy was simply completely inexperienced at first and trying to find her footing, and she does tend to get all jittery and nervous during their milestones in general (panic attack, anyone?). But once she got over those early stages, she embraced it with open arms like she does everything else.

Edited April 27, 2015 by koops

[mothandfire]

I can't wait to watch this one, even though I know it's going to hit like a punch to the gut. Having Sheldon pull out a ring and then fading to black for the summer hits so hard in "the feels" the writers should be charged with a felony.

Personally, I am not surprised, after all that has happened this season, that we get shown that Sheldon has finally started really thinking about and planning his future, and he wants Amy in it forever. I feel like the turtle episode really got the gears in his head moving, and he knows he loves her and she loves him, and he realizes he wants a future with her. And apparently he's internally taken some subtle but massive internal leap forward, and I hurt for him, but am not entirely surprised, that he screws up the make out session and their 5th anniversary by not "staying on topic."

I used to say, a long time ago, that I felt the conflict in their relationship was not exactly over sex, but in Amy's faith and patience in Sheldon and his ability to run those things out. He's given her a lot of mixed messages over the years, and he has demanded a lot of coddling and management. Even with all of the wonderful things they did this season, like confessing their love to each other or having their first sleepover, there has also been Amy having to buy Sheldon bobble head dolls or teddy bears to bribe him to "behave," for lack of a better word. Although I don't recall him complaining about hugs, hand-holding, sex, or any of those things this season, obviously he has in the past. Ignoring her request for a kiss when she's dressed up like Snow White, telling her sex was still off-putting and ridiculous, telling her that when she wanted to hold hands she was pawing at him like a bear after a trash can of sweets. And then there is the answer at the moment she really genuinely asked: I know we have a very intimate relationship, but sometimes I want more. He tells her he hasn't ruled it out. In essence, Sheldon gave Amy the answer of "maybe" two years ago, and while he will kiss her after date night now, his answer over two years has never really shifted from "maybe." And during the time spent in "maybe," his tune has been inconsistent. He'll kiss her, but Leonard says it's not romantic. Sometimes she'll ask him to take a walk, and he'll snap that "everything is all about sex with you." Or vetch that a little kiss under the mistletoe is like being in a Tijana sex show. How long does Sheldon expect Amy to dangle in the land of "maybe," all the while getting conflicting messages? How long will her faith of what's under Sheldon's exterior, and the strength of her love for him, hold up under such circumstances?

I think it even makes more sense for Amy to finally snap just when she thinks everything is so perfect. It's their 5 year anniversary, he's said he loves her, they are really, REALLY kissing, and Amy gushes about their relationship and Sheldon responds by asking her....if he should pick up watching another one of his SciFi TV shows? It's a much harder fall from Cloud 9 than Ground Zero. Just when Amy is soaring with excitement that Sheldon is finally showing this passionate, romantic interest, he hits her with the fact something totally mundane and unrelated to her or them or what is happening. Just when the "maybe" seems about to become "yes," he talks about TV. He just doesn't seem into it the way she is, and it's like Amy hits earth and gets her rose-tinted glasses knocked off once and for all. What she sees as the reality before her is hurtful, disappointing, and a slap to the face. She stops cold, lashes sarcastically back at Sheldon and then leaves.

It's a huge reversal from last year, isn't it? Last season's finale had Sheldon snap at Amy, bashing the idea of her moving in, marriage, kids and settling down, and then storming off. Next thing Amy knew, he was on a fucking train to destinations unknown for length of time unknown. Why? Well, Sheldon needed time to think. He took 45 days, and honestly, who knows when he would have stopped if his stuff hadn't been stolen? Well, now it's Amy's turn to take some time to think, and woe to Sheldon, there's some pretty harsh things he has said in the past she might have glossed over then, but in her current state of mind she probably won't gloss over now. She doesn't know he bought a ring, she knows their attempt to buy a turtle failed and she had to scream at him that YES, their relationship had to take place on the same planet! On top of that, Bernie has even suggested she cheat, or mocked Sheldon's lack of sexual interest - what will Amy make of the feedback from her friends? What are they going to say to her during this period?

I don't know if this will lead to stalling tactic, break up, or turn the tables of pursuit. If used wisely, I think it's a great way to eliminate one scenario no Shamy shipper wants to see, and that's it being unclear if sex is something Sheldon really wants when they have it, or something he gives into just to keep Amy happy. I think we all want Sheldon to want it for himself, and want it bad, instead of something that finally happens because Amy pushes enough or decides to dump him because she's not getting any, so he caves to please her. That would be the worst.

I think, or at least I hope, that Amy comes back from her period of thinking and says that she's accepted Sheldon for who he is, that he's obviously just not a sexual person and she has been wrong all this time to push for it. She wants to stay together because she truly loves him, sex or no sex, and she's just going to take sex "off the table," like the first day she met him. He might object, but Amy won't believe him, and then throw back at him everything he ever said about any romance or physical contact - it's ridiculous and off-putting and germy and looks stupid. Sheldon will find himself arguing against himself and his own words, and realize what a clusterfuck he's made for himself. And Amy will pull out a new copy of the Relatinship Agreement, and tell him she's taken all the hand-holding, hugging and kissing stuff out, and he can read it and sign it while she makes tea. And there Sheldon will be, supposedly getting everything Amy thinks he wants, and unable to convince her otherwise, and realizing he's going to continue dating her and not be allowed to lay a finger on her.

It takes me back to an earlier episode where Sheldon found out he made a mistake and had to retract something. He said, "now that I can't have it, I want it more than ever." I see Sheldon burning with the same sort of desire for Amy; now that she's made it that he can't have her romantically or sexually, he realizes that he wants her like crazy. And I'd love to see that going on for a few episodes, and when Sheldon finally does kiss her again - RA be damned - she and the audience will know for sure this is what he really wants. That he loves her and wants her completely and fully, and he convinces her of it, and there is no more ambiguity about Sheldon's "deal" to debate.

Then, by God, that ring better make a reappearance!

I had similar thoughts to yours, Lionne. Hence I  said in my previous post that I would be willing to see scenarios change into Sheldon bargaining desperately over retaining physical contact with Amy in S9.

Edited April 27, 2015 by mothandfire

[Lizzie_AR]

you know Lizzie...looking at your avatar pic...its almost like that 2nd SIK was a foreshadowing of the upcoming finale.  She gets him to kiss her and he is into it (more than her which is clear) but continues on talking about the controllers lighting up.  And he breaks away and she looks defeated.....

 

just an observation...

I did the same observation. It's like almost the opposite, Here, Sheldon says this thing about controllers and Amy is just like smitten and froze, Now she gets upset.

On these two kisses (date night and train) Amy is just afraid I think of moving too much or doing something else because she doesn't want to freak Sheldon out, they were going slowly and those were the first kisses, not just some pick on the lips because Amy's drunk or because Sheldon gave her a tiara. 

From what I've read, on the next kiss they seem really into it, both of them, which makes me think they've been doing this make out session previously, seems like they both have reached this comfort zone while kissing. But Sheldon's mind is still some place else.}

 

Now, I wonder if he was actually thinking about watching the Flash or if this is part of his Kolinhar practice trying not to get too much into the kissing because he's afraid of his own urges. I don't know. Sounds interesting.

Edited April 27, 2015 by Lizzie_AR

[musicsnob1971]

Maybe she will go to the Middle East to see her "Fiancé" and work on her confidence. She could take a summer job at another University. Maybe she went to Texas to talk to Mee Maw. There are so many possibilities that I hope they do not have her hold up in her apartment all summer crying. Maybe she needs to have a adventure yo realize what she has. For all we know when Sheldon had his last summer that may be when he bought the ring or it could be Mee Maws.

[Susana Alcira]

 Lizzie_Ar, I agree with you! IMO season finale is not SHAMY first make-out! More than a  year has passed since the date kiss(7 x 19) And several times it is quoted SHAMY kisses a lot.  Leonard says it is not romantic, but , Has  he seen them kissing all the time, every time ?! ( Kolinhar is bright!)

[MTBigBangTheoryFan]

Maybe she will go to the Middle East to see her "Fiancé" and work on her confidence. She could take a summer job at another University. Maybe she went to Texas to talk to Mee Maw. There are so many possibilities that I hope they do not have her hold up in her apartment all summer crying. Maybe she needs to have a adventure yo realize what she has. For all we know when Sheldon had his last summer that may be when he bought the ring or it could be Mee Maws.

 

Ob Brother not this again...

 

And season 9 could take place the same day as season 8 for all we know. 

Edited April 27, 2015 by MTBigBangTheoryFan

[Susana Alcira]

The Middle East stuff is over according with the writers.

I agree with you MT Big Bang Theory Fan, I go for the day after or at least a week after the end of Season 8.

(They did it at the begining of Seasons 2 and 5.)

SHAMY doing things together (as friends, couple, lovers, what you want, but together at least) is GOLD for TBBT, the writers and the audience!

[EleQueen]

I agree. I believe s09 will begin the same/or next day. If they are planning on showing the "conflict" of Sheldon's and Amy's emotions, they better do that. We want to see all the drama unravel right before our eyes!

[mirs1]

I think when S9 starts will depend more on Lenny than on Shamy....if the writers decide they get married in Vegas or decide to show us the reason they decide to delay the wedding then s9 will start the very day of s8 finale...otherwise i guess they can start whenever they want and still be coherent with shamy's plot

[rachelshamyfan]

"Waits impatiently for 824 promo pics"

[tmp]

If they show making out in the promo for 8.24, I don't want to see it.

[Susana Alcira]

I havn´t seen the Moms Episode promo!  Where is it plse????

[rachelshamyfan]

There isnt one as yet afaik

[TheShamyShipper]

Okay, so I really haven't read through very many of the comments here, but I do know that there are very mixed feelings about the finale and what's in store for season 9, and I just wanted to say something real quick before going back into hiding again.  Apologies ahead of time if any of this has already been pointed out.

 

The thing is, yes, the two of them have made some awesome leaps forward this season, and I really think the writers got them to the emotional place they need to be.  Realistically, I can see Amy getting her hopes up more and more with each milestone they made, particularly the fact that he does want to plan a future with her (joint Mars application) and that first sleepover (despite the probable lack of physicality there beyond maybe some kissing).  But think about it logically--she's been waiting for almost FIVE years to get the kind of physical intimacy she really wants with the man she loves, and she starts to believe that maybe they're finally heading toward that road, and then bam!  He's not thinking about HER while they're kissing, but a stupid tv show.  I think Amy has every right to decide to take a step back to evaluate things at that point.  It's clear she loves him dearly, and she looks so heartbroken when she tells him over Skype that she needs this break.  She doesn't WANT to leave him, but she's really not sure what to do at this point.  I'm sure most of us, if we put ourselves in her position, would feel the same.  There is also the little issue of her being unaware of the ring and the fact that he wants to spend the rest of his life with her.  Sheldon is no idiot; he understands what that entails.  He KNOWS she wants physical contact, and I believe that he's almost there himself. 

 

The makeout was very intense, and his hands were on her body, and he went in for more.  Now, I can't fully explain the whole Flash thing, but it's my belief that either he's so comfortable being with her this way now, that he's allowing his mind to wander while he enjoys the kiss (because Sheldon's brain works a bit differently from most people's) or perhaps it could be that he uses thinking about other things as a sort of defense mechanism so that he doesn't get too carried away.  Because I have the distinct feeling that Sheldon is starting to desire her physically as well.  And maybe he's been thinking that despite that desire, he's not quite ready for it just yet.

 

In either case, it's about time for Sheldon to shit or get off the pot, as they say (and I don't mean that he should have to sacrifice his own needs/wants, just that if it IS what he wants with her, then he needs to make it known).  And I really think that's what the writers are doing here.  The season 7 finale sent him away and brought him back with a whole new appreciation for her.  Most of us were distraught, but look how great it turned out.  (I also find it ironic that many were of the opinion that Amy should have broken up with him at that point, but now there's so much anger at her for wanting to make sure she can be in this relationship when she doesn't think Sheldon will ever be ready, but I digress.)  They set up that heart-wrenching season 7 finale to get these two where they need to be emotionally in season 8.  And now they've thrown in a new wrench.  Essentially, Sheldon is already there.  He wants to spend his life with her, and he know that means giving her physical intimacy, maybe even children down the line, etc.  He's RIGHT THERE.  Now all he needs is that little added push that he needs for ANY of his big milestones.  He's essentially made this decision on his own already, he just needs to amp it up now and decide that he's ready.

 

Season 9 is going to be epic, seriously.  Because Sheldon is finally going to take that shit.  And it's going to be glorious.

[rachelshamyfan]

http://saison10.free.fr/1003/16.jpg

Amy's arms around Sheldon's neck, his hand on her thigh

O m f g if its anything like the above pic

Edit, its not shamy before you all have heart attacks!

Edited April 27, 2015 by rachelshamyfan